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2013-07-14 10:25:04 PM

jaytkay: Mugato: tenpoundsofcheese: Where does it say that George lied to the court?

His attorneys wouldn't let him testify to the court.

He lied in a bond hearing. They revoked his bail and put him back in jail.


Nope, his wife did.
 
2013-07-14 10:25:59 PM

amiable: Elegy: John Good

Nope.  John Good contradicted several of Zimmerman's assertions, including that Martin was pounding his head against the ground.


Nope, he didn't contradict any of his statements.  He just couldn't confirm ALL of them (just most including the screaming).
 
2013-07-14 10:27:28 PM

Taylor Mental: Abuse Liability: Taylor Mental: Abuse Liability: and yet it doesn't appear as though his lawyers are worried at all.  Wonder why that is?

I'm sure they would say something to let you know they lacked confidence, like maybe an "OMG, they're suing us!" Would it make you feel better if they said that?

Would you like to make another wager for TF?  Didn't you just lose one to Elegy or someone?

Another wager? I never made the first. But, if you're referring to your circle jerking buddy who put me on ignore because he's the same sort of coward as you and Zimmerman then your question speaks for itself.


So would you like to wager since I'm staying up?
 
2013-07-14 10:28:14 PM
You all fail soooo hard.
 
2013-07-14 10:28:18 PM

Taylor Mental: Lynch mob, really? There were no mobs with torches who showed up at the jail to string Zimmerman up as far as I know. In fact, I'm certain of this. However, there has been a long history of this sort of thing happening to blacks in the south. So, maybe they feel like they don't get just even after all these years.

And for you and your ilk it's not about an innocent man being tried for a crime he didn't commit, it's about the "race pimps" demanding justice just like anyone would do if they felt a kid was murdered and the local police didn't do their utmost to enforce the law and see justice done.

Why is that so hard for you to grasp?


For people who are supposedly running on nothing but emotion, the anti-Zimmerman crowd has been pleasantly civil in real life. Yes, they TYPE some uncivil things, but that's the internet for you. Compare that to the "cold hard facts" crowd who were dead certain that the streets would flow with blood shed by rioters and lynch mobs.

/Makes sense: anyone disappointed is probably afraid of getting ground stood if they do so much as raise their voice in public.
//For good reason.
 
2013-07-14 10:28:48 PM

Abuse Liability: jaytkay: Mugato: tenpoundsofcheese: Where does it say that George lied to the court?

His attorneys wouldn't let him testify to the court.

He lied in a bond hearing. They revoked his bail and put him back in jail.

Nope, his wife did.


George Zimmerman, the man charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin, knew his finances had been misrepresented to the court when he sought to be freed on bond in April, his attorney said Monday.

Close enough.
 
2013-07-14 10:29:50 PM

Hermione_Granger: Representative of the unwashed masses: SevenizGud: Here is Trayvon Martin in his natural habitat, displaying his normal philosophy towards others. In short, his philosophy is fark YOU. And he's saying it to YOU. fark YOU. YOU! fark YOU!

Now please...apologize for him. Go on...you know you can do it. Apologize for the little drug-addled, tattooed, fark you-gesturing thug. Do it. You know you can't keep from apologizing for him. Apologize for him. Do it! Do it now!

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easy, the kid was carrying only skittles and iced tea, he was doing nothing illegal when Zimmerman decided to follow him resulting in the altercation.  he was no alter boy but he didn't deserve to die.

This.

Also, I can't think of how many Farkers tell stories of stupid shiat they used to do, bad attitudes, crazy stunts, lives of crime and just sheer debauchery.

And that was before I was 21.

But I guess if you're 17, black and male there is no hope or chance that you will grow up, change - especially when you have parents who give a damn about you.

Trayvon may have been a teenage jerk. I can't really think of too many teenagers who aren't. But he was afraid of the guy following him and he had good right to be. He's dead. He stood up for himself and maybe thought he was protecting a younger child at home by not leading some idiot back to his house.  And he's dead.

I know that I'm not the person I was at 17. I'm not even the person I was last year. George Zimmerman did play judge, jury and executioner and he snuffed out a life...no one knows who or what Trayvon Martin may have become...and now we never will.

This quote sounds bibilical, but it's not.

Not what thou art, not what thou hast been, beholdeth God with His merciful eye, but what thou wouldst be.

George Zimmerman looked at Trayvon Martin and decided he was nothing. George Zimmerman is not God.

I hope he never knows a peaceful moment in this life or the next.


Your sentiments are entirely understandable. A legal system that allows an individual to use force to stop a physical attack on their person is atrocious and should be abolished. Violent attackers must enjoy a protected right to potentially cause serious injury without fear of harm to themselves.
 
2013-07-14 10:30:49 PM

jaytkay: Abuse Liability: jaytkay: Mugato: tenpoundsofcheese: Where does it say that George lied to the court?

His attorneys wouldn't let him testify to the court.

He lied in a bond hearing. They revoked his bail and put him back in jail.

Nope, his wife did.

George Zimmerman, the man charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin, knew his finances had been misrepresented to the court when he sought to be freed on bond in April, his attorney said Monday.

Close enough.


Lol, that's what all you J4T people have been saying the whole time.  Unfortunately close doesn't cut it.  It'd also be nice if you apologized to whoever it was you "corrected".  Takes a big man to admit when they're wrong.
 
2013-07-14 10:31:16 PM

Abuse Liability: amiable: Elegy: John Good

Nope.  John Good contradicted several of Zimmerman's assertions, including that Martin was pounding his head against the ground.

Nope, he didn't contradict any of his statements.  He just couldn't confirm ALL of them (just most including the screaming).


He didn't confirm the screaming, in fact he made a point that he did not know which was.
 
2013-07-14 10:32:09 PM

Abuse Liability: So would you like to wager since I'm staying up?


Wager what, that you will keep being arrogant and attempting to predict the outcomes of unpredictable random events in the future? Nah.

I already got a free TF subscription just for giving you guys hell :)
 
2013-07-14 10:32:21 PM

The Great EZE: Again, my statement is much broader than this case and this jury. We're living in a society where an unarmed kid can be shot in the street and, when proven that he wasn't doing anything illegal, the knee-jerk reaction is, "Let's check his records for school suspensions, drug use, and stupid social media pictures!" Whether you absorbed every word related to the case or whether you live under a rock, it is a mentality engrained in every person (black, white, young, old, male, female, otherwise) on some level and influences the judgements they make.


I was unaware that Florida law did not prohibit the pinning down of another individual and striking him or her repeatedly in the face.
 
2013-07-14 10:33:16 PM

amiable: Abuse Liability: amiable: Elegy: John Good

Nope.  John Good contradicted several of Zimmerman's assertions, including that Martin was pounding his head against the ground.

Nope, he didn't contradict any of his statements.  He just couldn't confirm ALL of them (just most including the screaming).

He didn't confirm the screaming, in fact he made a point that he did not know which was.


He said he thought it was the guy on the bottom, but couldn't be 100% sure.  Funny how you don't see many people on top screaming for help in a ground and pound.  Your leaps in logic are astounding.
 
2013-07-14 10:34:41 PM

Taylor Mental: Abuse Liability: So would you like to wager since I'm staying up?

Wager what, that you will keep being arrogant and attempting to predict the outcomes of unpredictable random events in the future? Nah.

I already got a free TF subscription just for giving you guys hell :)


Aye, I was gifted the same.  However, I believe in the law and our justice system, and therefore don't mind making a friendly wager.  However, you appear to not have much faith in your own convictions.
 
2013-07-14 10:35:00 PM
I love how all the Zimmerman defenders ignore the fact that he pursued Martin after being told not to by the police.
 
2013-07-14 10:35:13 PM

Dimensio: The Great EZE: Again, my statement is much broader than this case and this jury. We're living in a society where an unarmed kid can be shot in the street and, when proven that he wasn't doing anything illegal, the knee-jerk reaction is, "Let's check his records for school suspensions, drug use, and stupid social media pictures!" Whether you absorbed every word related to the case or whether you live under a rock, it is a mentality engrained in every person (black, white, young, old, male, female, otherwise) on some level and influences the judgements they make.

I was unaware that Florida law did not prohibit the pinning down of another individual and striking him or her repeatedly in the face.


It apparently prohibits you from protecting yourself against an armed stalker. Crazy state, that Florida.

/Are we having a fight right now?
//Wanna make sure if I need my kevlar or not.
 
2013-07-14 10:37:08 PM

theknuckler_33: I love how all the Zimmerman defenders ignore the fact that he pursued Martin after being told not to by the police.


Ah ah. He wasn't told not to; he was told "we don't need you to do that." You know, because figurative language blinked out of existence some time before the turn of the century.
 
2013-07-14 10:37:10 PM

theknuckler_33: I love how all the Zimmerman defenders ignore the fact that he pursued Martin after being told not to by the police.


This has to be a troll... right?  I mean three weeks later?

www.captionite.com
 
2013-07-14 10:38:20 PM

Abuse Liability: amiable: Abuse Liability: amiable: Elegy: John Good

Nope.  John Good contradicted several of Zimmerman's assertions, including that Martin was pounding his head against the ground.

Nope, he didn't contradict any of his statements.  He just couldn't confirm ALL of them (just most including the screaming).

He didn't confirm the screaming, in fact he made a point that he did not know which was.

He said he thought it was the guy on the bottom, but couldn't be 100% sure.  Funny how you don't see many people on top screaming for help in a ground and pound.  Your leaps in logic are astounding.


You are the one making the leap here.  You literally just spent three threads going after someone for "close enough" and now all of a sudden "close enough" is good enough when it supports your argument?  Don't you think that's a bit of a double standard?
 
2013-07-14 10:39:06 PM

Elegy: amiable: Elegy: amiable: Because the Roderick Scott case was an entirely different set of circumstances where the white kid in question was on his property breaking into his car at the time (he didn't chase him anywhere or stalk him he just walked outside and told them to leave).

The argument was that the justice system doesn't care about dead black teens as it does dead white teens. Do try to keep up.

amiable: Several eye-witnesses corroborated Roderick Scott's story/self-defense claim

You mean just like in the Zimmerman case?

No, the argument is that had the races been reversed, you would have seen a  different outcome, which the case you cited proves nicely (the African american, under much more meritorious circumstances and in a far more liberal state was still immediately arrested).

Really?  Could you list the eyewitness's that corroborated George Zimmerman's story?  I'll wait.

If you are going to comment on the trial, at least have some basic knowledge of what occurred.

John Good, the only witness that saw the fight itself and who was neigh unimpeachable on the stand.

Done in one. I was here watching the trial everyday. Funny I didn't see you here.

Do try to learn the facts of the case before you argue about it.


Are you saying that a direct witness testimony was heard straight from the horse's mouth?
 
2013-07-14 10:39:55 PM

The Great EZE: theknuckler_33: I love how all the Zimmerman defenders ignore the fact that he pursued Martin after being told not to by the police.

Ah ah. He wasn't told not to; he was told "we don't need you to do that." You know, because figurative language blinked out of existence some time before the turn of the century.


Or how about how he was told before that "tell us if he does anything else" because that couldn't possibly be misconstrued as continue to observe and report.
 
2013-07-14 10:41:02 PM

The Great EZE: For people who are supposedly running on nothing but emotion, the anti-Zimmerman crowd has been pleasantly civil in real life. Yes, they TYPE some uncivil things, but that's the internet for you. Compare that to the "cold hard facts" crowd who were dead certain that the streets would flow with blood shed by rioters and lynch mobs.

/Makes sense: anyone disappointed is probably afraid of getting ground stood if they do so much as raise their voice in public.
//For good reason.


For my part it stopped being about race after Zimmerman was charged, and that's all anyone wanted to see. So what, a bunch of gun nuts had to send money to O'Mara so he got the kind of defense nobody else would get in a case like this. It's OJ and Casey Anthoney all over again as far as I'm concerned.

As someone said before "You live by the sword, you die by the sword." Zimmerman won't be running around scot free even though he's not in the penitentiary.
 
2013-07-14 10:42:25 PM

Abuse Liability: Taylor Mental: Abuse Liability: So would you like to wager since I'm staying up?

Wager what, that you will keep being arrogant and attempting to predict the outcomes of unpredictable random events in the future? Nah.

I already got a free TF subscription just for giving you guys hell :)

Aye, I was gifted the same.  However, I believe in the law and our justice system, and therefore don't mind making a friendly wager.  However, you appear to not have much faith in your own convictions.


You never offered to bet me anything. But now, when hindsight is convenient you want to wager? LOL
 
2013-07-14 10:42:30 PM

The Great EZE: Dimensio: The Great EZE: Again, my statement is much broader than this case and this jury. We're living in a society where an unarmed kid can be shot in the street and, when proven that he wasn't doing anything illegal, the knee-jerk reaction is, "Let's check his records for school suspensions, drug use, and stupid social media pictures!" Whether you absorbed every word related to the case or whether you live under a rock, it is a mentality engrained in every person (black, white, young, old, male, female, otherwise) on some level and influences the judgements they make.

I was unaware that Florida law did not prohibit the pinning down of another individual and striking him or her repeatedly in the face.

It apparently prohibits you from protecting yourself against an armed stalker. Crazy state, that Florida.

/Are we having a fight right now?
//Wanna make sure if I need my kevlar or not.


Does the state define "being followed", absent any other demonstrable criteria, as justification for use of deadly force?
 
2013-07-14 10:44:04 PM

amiable: Abuse Liability: amiable: Abuse Liability: amiable: Elegy: John Good

Nope.  John Good contradicted several of Zimmerman's assertions, including that Martin was pounding his head against the ground.

Nope, he didn't contradict any of his statements.  He just couldn't confirm ALL of them (just most including the screaming).

He didn't confirm the screaming, in fact he made a point that he did not know which was.

He said he thought it was the guy on the bottom, but couldn't be 100% sure.  Funny how you don't see many people on top screaming for help in a ground and pound.  Your leaps in logic are astounding.

You are the one making the leap here.  You literally just spent three threads going after someone for "close enough" and now all of a sudden "close enough" is good enough when it supports your argument?  Don't you think that's a bit of a double standard?


There's nothing close enough about it.  He corroborate some of Georges statements, but did not witness the entire encounter.  That has nothing to do with being "close".  Also, he mentioned in his testimony that he saw hand motions moving up and down but did not see fist connect with face.  Could that be head pounding or fist throwing?  I'll leave it up to you to interpret.
 
2013-07-14 10:45:32 PM

Taylor Mental: Abuse Liability: Taylor Mental: Abuse Liability: So would you like to wager since I'm staying up?

Wager what, that you will keep being arrogant and attempting to predict the outcomes of unpredictable random events in the future? Nah.

I already got a free TF subscription just for giving you guys hell :)

Aye, I was gifted the same.  However, I believe in the law and our justice system, and therefore don't mind making a friendly wager.  However, you appear to not have much faith in your own convictions.

You never offered to bet me anything. But now, when hindsight is convenient you want to wager? LOL


I didn't offer it

/facepalm

I was offering it now.  I was willing to bet no one will win a civil trial against George Zimmerman for a month of TF.  Care to take the wager.  No hind sight on the civil trial.
 
2013-07-14 10:47:26 PM

Taylor Mental: The Great EZE: For people who are supposedly running on nothing but emotion, the anti-Zimmerman crowd has been pleasantly civil in real life. Yes, they TYPE some uncivil things, but that's the internet for you. Compare that to the "cold hard facts" crowd who were dead certain that the streets would flow with blood shed by rioters and lynch mobs.

/Makes sense: anyone disappointed is probably afraid of getting ground stood if they do so much as raise their voice in public.
//For good reason.

For my part it stopped being about race after Zimmerman was charged, and that's all anyone wanted to see. So what, a bunch of gun nuts had to send money to O'Mara so he got the kind of defense nobody else would get in a case like this. It's OJ and Casey Anthoney all over again as far as I'm concerned.

As someone said before "You live by the sword, you die by the sword." Zimmerman won't be running around scot free even though he's not in the penitentiary.


Except they were stating they never killed anyone. GZ admitted to the homicide, but felt it was in self-defense.  If you can't see the difference between those cases and this one...
 
2013-07-14 10:48:54 PM

Taylor Mental: The Great EZE: For people who are supposedly running on nothing but emotion, the anti-Zimmerman crowd has been pleasantly civil in real life. Yes, they TYPE some uncivil things, but that's the internet for you. Compare that to the "cold hard facts" crowd who were dead certain that the streets would flow with blood shed by rioters and lynch mobs.

/Makes sense: anyone disappointed is probably afraid of getting ground stood if they do so much as raise their voice in public.
//For good reason.

For my part it stopped being about race after Zimmerman was charged, and that's all anyone wanted to see.


I know that's all I wanted to see. I could see the verdict coming from a mile away, so I'm out particularly outraged. I just don't like when people insult my intelligence by pissing on my shoes and tell telling me it's spun liquid gold from the tears of our completely innocent morally virtuous angel Dear George of Zimmerman. Unless they're also willing to accept that Casey Anthony was a perfectly responsible mother who just ran into a little bit of bad luck, they're full of shiat.

Taylor Mental: As someone said before "You live by the sword, you die by the sword." Zimmerman won't be running around scot free even though he's not in the penitentiary.


Enjoy that "freedom," fatty. Just like the original topic of the thread implies, he gets a karmic sentence that transcends our mere mortal legal system. The ancient Greeks couldn't write a better ending.
 
2013-07-14 10:51:49 PM
Really am retiring for the night this time.  Enjoyed our chats.  Good night.

/something condescending
//eyeroll
///you get it
 
2013-07-14 10:53:02 PM

Gyrfalcon: Zimmerman thought it was sufficiently suspicious that a black person would be in his neighborhood at that hour and he wanted (instead of my caller) to do something about this black person, rather than calling the cops who would stop Martin,



Uh, the FIRST thing Zimmerman did was call the cops.


Gyrfalcon: find out he was just looking for his girlfriend and let him go.


If Trayvon was "just looking for his girlfriend", he was in the wrong city. In fact, Trayvon was staying in the neighborhood - at his FATHER'S girlfriend's house. TM was, however, talking to a girl who was a friend - on his cell phone.

Gyrfalcon:  Zimmerman wanted to be Charles Bronson in "Death Wish" + Dirty Harry;


Is that what Charles Bronson and Dirty Harry would have done? Called the police? Because that's what Zimmerman did. (And Dirty Harry was Clint Eastwood, BTW)

Gyrfalcon:  and if Martin really had been the badass thug everyone seems to think he was, Zimmerman would have been deader than shiat when Martin pulled out his own gun and capped his ass.


Trayvon didn't have a gun (though his texts - that were not made available to the jury - indicated that he was interested in getting one).


Gyrfalcon: Instead, Zimmerman got the ass-whipping he so richly deserved,


"Deserved"? Why do you say that? Because he saw an unfamiliar, suspicious character who appeared to be casing houses in a neighborhood where many burglaries - most unsolved - had happened recently? Should anyone who calls the cops about suspicious characters have their "ass-whipped"?

Gyrfalcon:  and probably really was in genuine fear of his life when he fired.


Well, I'm glad to see that you agree with the jury's decision that Zimmerman acted in self-defense, and committed no crime.

Gyrfalcon:  Now if Martin had been a little LESS of a thug, he would have just stopped when confronted by Zimmerman,


Nothing in evidence suggests that Zimmerman confronted Martin - in fact, there is every indication that the reverse is true - that Martin was in hiding and, once GZ ended his call to police, TM confronted the "creepy-ass cracker" . Things got ugly after that.

Gyrfalcon:  told his dim-witted girlfriend to call the cops herself, and waited for them to show up; but he was a kid and playing his own game of quien es mas macho; sadly, he lost.


As Defense attorney Mark O'mara showed in court, Trayvon Martin had FOUR MINUTES between the time that Zimmerman lost sight of him as he ran out of sight, and the time when GZ ended his call to police. If Baby Trayvon was SO SCARED he could have easily made it home - and back - and home - and back AGAIN during that time. He could also have used that time to call 9-11 IF HE WERE SO SCARED, as the race-baiters want us to believe.

You are right when you assert that TM was high on a cocktail of adrenalin, testosterone and ego, and I suspect that is why he hung around - to see if GZ would be STOOPID enough to venture out after him - and TM was not disappointed. TM's texts (intentionally obscured by the cowardly prosecutors and not allowed into court by Chris Farley's older sister) indicates that TM was indeed a MACHO MAN who loved to fight, and while we can't say with certainty, it would appear that TM hid out with the specific intent of teaching a "creepy-ass cracker" that he'd better not EVEN look at poor, oppressed, downtrodden black youths with an eye of suspicion.

And TM was doing a FINE job of instructing GZ on the intricacies of interracial etiquette, but the athletic and agile Trayvon made one serious error:

1.bp.blogspot.com

"Slowpoke Rodriguez... He pack a gun".


Gyrfalcon:  There are no winners in this scenario.


Well, we can certainly agree on that point.

But seriously, Gyrfalcon, you are not known to troll, and I know that you have an interest in law...

Are you REALLY that misinformed about the details of this case?

Because, DAMN girl, you got it ALL wrong.
 
2013-07-14 10:53:53 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Where does it say that George lied to the court?
Someone else (his wife) mis-stated their finances to the court, not George.


Right well if a statement from Zimmerman's own attorney stating that Zimmerman misrepresented his finances does not constitute a lie to the court (it was in a bond hearing) to you then I guess continue to enjoy the taste of George's asshole on your tongue.
 
2013-07-14 10:54:24 PM

Abuse Liability: Taylor Mental: Abuse Liability: Taylor Mental: Abuse Liability: So would you like to wager since I'm staying up?

Wager what, that you will keep being arrogant and attempting to predict the outcomes of unpredictable random events in the future? Nah.

I already got a free TF subscription just for giving you guys hell :)

Aye, I was gifted the same.  However, I believe in the law and our justice system, and therefore don't mind making a friendly wager.  However, you appear to not have much faith in your own convictions.

You never offered to bet me anything. But now, when hindsight is convenient you want to wager? LOL

I didn't offer it

/facepalm

I was offering it now.  I was willing to bet no one will win a civil trial against George Zimmerman for a month of TF.  Care to take the wager.  No hind sight on the civil trial.


And you plan on collecting the winnings when exactly, after seven years of litigation and all appeals are exhausted? You want me to just say "sure, I bet" so you can feel like you won something?

Okay, if you're willing to go though all that then fine, I'll throw out whatever the cost is of a TF subscription if I don't get Alzheimers before then.
 
2013-07-14 10:54:48 PM

Dimensio: The Great EZE: Dimensio: The Great EZE: Again, my statement is much broader than this case and this jury. We're living in a society where an unarmed kid can be shot in the street and, when proven that he wasn't doing anything illegal, the knee-jerk reaction is, "Let's check his records for school suspensions, drug use, and stupid social media pictures!" Whether you absorbed every word related to the case or whether you live under a rock, it is a mentality engrained in every person (black, white, young, old, male, female, otherwise) on some level and influences the judgements they make.

I was unaware that Florida law did not prohibit the pinning down of another individual and striking him or her repeatedly in the face.

It apparently prohibits you from protecting yourself against an armed stalker. Crazy state, that Florida.

/Are we having a fight right now?
//Wanna make sure if I need my kevlar or not.

Does the state define "being followed", absent any other demonstrable criteria, as justification for use of deadly force?


He had a broken nose and some cuts on the head. He didn't even have to go to the hospital. Now I know TM was The Hulk incarnate, but that's a bit much.

I guess women who carry a can of mace had still better think twice before heading out for the night. Or just wait until the predator actually puts hands on them.
 
2013-07-14 10:56:22 PM

The Great EZE: I just don't like when people insult my intelligence by pissing on my shoes and tell telling me it's spun liquid gold from the tears of our completely innocent morally virtuous angel Dear George of Zimmerman. Unless they're also willing to accept that Casey Anthony was a perfectly responsible mother who just ran into a little bit of bad luck, they're full of shiat.


It's funny, because what you're talking about is an absolute known as prejudice.
 
2013-07-14 10:59:25 PM

Abuse Liability: Taylor Mental: The Great EZE: For people who are supposedly running on nothing but emotion, the anti-Zimmerman crowd has been pleasantly civil in real life. Yes, they TYPE some uncivil things, but that's the internet for you. Compare that to the "cold hard facts" crowd who were dead certain that the streets would flow with blood shed by rioters and lynch mobs.

/Makes sense: anyone disappointed is probably afraid of getting ground stood if they do so much as raise their voice in public.
//For good reason.

For my part it stopped being about race after Zimmerman was charged, and that's all anyone wanted to see. So what, a bunch of gun nuts had to send money to O'Mara so he got the kind of defense nobody else would get in a case like this. It's OJ and Casey Anthoney all over again as far as I'm concerned.

As someone said before "You live by the sword, you die by the sword." Zimmerman won't be running around scot free even though he's not in the penitentiary.

Except they were stating they never killed anyone. GZ admitted to the homicide, but felt it was in self-defense.  If you can't see the difference between those cases and this one...


Wait, I wasn't referring to any case. You can't play the technicality card this time.
 
2013-07-14 11:00:48 PM

omeganuepsilon: The Great EZE: I just don't like when people insult my intelligence by pissing on my shoes and tell telling me it's spun liquid gold from the tears of our completely innocent morally virtuous angel Dear George of Zimmerman. Unless they're also willing to accept that Casey Anthony was a perfectly responsible mother who just ran into a little bit of bad luck, they're full of shiat.

It's funny, because what you're talking about is an absolute known as prejudice.


???
 
2013-07-14 11:01:23 PM

The Great EZE: Dimensio: The Great EZE: Dimensio: The Great EZE: Again, my statement is much broader than this case and this jury. We're living in a society where an unarmed kid can be shot in the street and, when proven that he wasn't doing anything illegal, the knee-jerk reaction is, "Let's check his records for school suspensions, drug use, and stupid social media pictures!" Whether you absorbed every word related to the case or whether you live under a rock, it is a mentality engrained in every person (black, white, young, old, male, female, otherwise) on some level and influences the judgements they make.

I was unaware that Florida law did not prohibit the pinning down of another individual and striking him or her repeatedly in the face.

It apparently prohibits you from protecting yourself against an armed stalker. Crazy state, that Florida.

/Are we having a fight right now?
//Wanna make sure if I need my kevlar or not.

Does the state define "being followed", absent any other demonstrable criteria, as justification for use of deadly force?

He had a broken nose and some cuts on the head. He didn't even have to go to the hospital. Now I know TM was The Hulk incarnate, but that's a bit much.

I guess women who carry a can of mace had still better think twice before heading out for the night. Or just wait until the predator actually puts hands on them.


What level of injury must an individual sustain before you approve of the use of deadly force to end a violent attack?
 
2013-07-14 11:06:31 PM

Dimensio: What level of injury must an individual sustain before you approve of the use of deadly force to end a violent attack?


We can start the bidding at something more than what you'd see during a preseason hockey fight.

What level of threat must an individual experience before you approve of them physically defending themselves?
 
2013-07-14 11:07:09 PM

hardinparamedic: You just pointed out that Zimmerman violated the duties imposed on him by having a HCP and being a member of a neighborhood watch


Was Zimmerman in fact a recognized member of any neighborhood watch?  Early on in this case I heard that he was not.
 
2013-07-14 11:08:43 PM

The Great EZE: omeganuepsilon: The Great EZE: I just don't like when people insult my intelligence by pissing on my shoes and tell telling me it's spun liquid gold from the tears of our completely innocent morally virtuous angel Dear George of Zimmerman. Unless they're also willing to accept that Casey Anthony was a perfectly responsible mother who just ran into a little bit of bad luck, they're full of shiat.

It's funny, because what you're talking about is an absolute known as prejudice.

???


The cases are completely irrelevant and require no vague blanket philosophy to cover them both.

If anyone was illegitimately portrayed, on fark or otherwise, as an angel, it was TM, an innocent babe like Casey Anthony's crotchfruit.
 
2013-07-14 11:10:07 PM

The Great EZE: Dimensio: What level of injury must an individual sustain before you approve of the use of deadly force to end a violent attack?

We can start the bidding at something more than what you'd see during a preseason hockey fight.

What level of threat must an individual experience before you approve of them physically defending themselves?


A reasonable threat of imminent grievous bodily injury (including though not limited to death), kidnapping or sexual assault justifies the use of deadly force.

Unlike you, I do not believe that civilians are obligated to suffer physical injury from unprovoked attackers.
 
2013-07-14 11:10:31 PM

Abuse Liability: Little Florida law to stir up the pot

Florida justice system is on the line. It seems obvious that the arrest of George Zimmerman violated the Florida statues.
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.-
A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1)He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2)Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.
History.-s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102; s. 2, ch. 2005-27.
776.032Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.-

See that bolded part. Yep


Good points - and O'Mara indicated that he fully expected the sore losers to attempt such actions, and that he was prepared to defend his client.

Unfortunately, there is still the matter of the NAACP race-baiters bringing a Civil Rights action against GZ, and while there is likely NO legal grounds to pursue such a case, the Feds DO have a habit of ignoring State's Rights, and making up whatever shiat they find convenient to further their political agenda.

Maybe Obama will declare Zimmerman a "Suspected Terrorist", and have him locked away indefinitely without trial (or even charges) as per NDAA 2012?

Sounds crazy, I know - but at this point, would you REALLY be surprised?
 
2013-07-14 11:10:49 PM

Dimensio: What level of injury must an individual sustain before you approve of the use of deadly force to end a violent attack?


The injury to your ego as a wanna-be cop would be enough for most of us. Stay in the truck, wait for the real police. Zimmerman not only claimed Martin was acting suspicious but actually circled his truck and "checked him out." To any reasonable person that's cause to avoid a confrontation and let the cops handle it.

But Zimmerman didn't do that, did he?
 
2013-07-14 11:12:57 PM

jaytkay: Abuse Liability: Little Florida law to stir up the pot

Florida law applies to Florida prosecutions and civil actions, not Federal.



You sound like a terrorist.

Or a figment of your own imagination.
 
2013-07-14 11:13:42 PM

Taylor Mental: Dimensio: What level of injury must an individual sustain before you approve of the use of deadly force to end a violent attack?

The injury to your ego as a wanna-be cop would be enough for most of us. Stay in the truck, wait for the real police. Zimmerman not only claimed Martin was acting suspicious but actually circled his truck and "checked him out." To any reasonable person that's cause to avoid a confrontation and let the cops handle it.

But Zimmerman didn't do that, did he?


You did not address my question.

What injury do you believe that a citizen must endure before deadly force is justified? Are citizens obligated to suffer broken bones before deadly force is warranted? Do you believe that citizens should never use deadly force, and that they should allow themselves to be beaten even to death if an attacker wishes to do so?
 
2013-07-14 11:16:59 PM

omeganuepsilon: The Great EZE: omeganuepsilon: The Great EZE: I just don't like when people insult my intelligence by pissing on my shoes and tell telling me it's spun liquid gold from the tears of our completely innocent morally virtuous angel Dear George of Zimmerman. Unless they're also willing to accept that Casey Anthony was a perfectly responsible mother who just ran into a little bit of bad luck, they're full of shiat.

It's funny, because what you're talking about is an absolute known as prejudice.

???

The cases are completely irrelevant and require no vague blanket philosophy to cover them both.

If anyone was illegitimately portrayed, on fark or otherwise, as an angel, it was TM, an innocent babe like Casey Anthony's crotchfruit.


It's the logic. Zimmerman defenders have been using technicalities that may have been enough to acquit him in a legal sense to insist he did not negligently and irresponsibly take an innocent kid's life. I'm just taking that reasoning to its logical conclusion: the technicalities that were enough to acquit Casey Anthony in a legal sense mean that she was a responsible parent who in no way carries blame for her daughter's death. After all, legality and morality are synonyms.
 
2013-07-14 11:18:32 PM
Abuse Liability:
Lol, that's what all you J4T people have been saying the whole time.  Unfortunately close doesn't cut it.  It'd also be nice if you apologized to whoever it was you "corrected".  Takes a big man to admit when they're wrong.

Calm down, child.

As told by his own lawyer, Zimmerman willfully misled the court. He got his butt thrown back into jail for it.

I know you think you're righteously fighting the army of "all you J4T people" (in your head) and "making them cry" but you're really just some ass typing on Fark.
 
2013-07-14 11:19:33 PM

ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.
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Well, as someone who has had my head bashed in (cracked skull, subdural hematomas, brain contusions), I can tell you that that pussy Zimmerman had only superficial head and face wounds.  Even minor breaks in the cranial skin lead to scary-looking levels of bleeding.  Zimerman had little drips.

And did his attorneys show any x-rays of skull fractures, CT-scan evidence of contusions or hematomas?  No.  Why?  Because he didn't have any head injuries that were actually significant.  Nothing.  His "injuries" were a a show.  Also, had there been any actual injuries, there would have been brain trauma and neurosurgeon expert witnesses.

My guess is self-inflicted.  But, in any case, Zimmerman had superficial and inconsequential wounds at best.
 
2013-07-14 11:20:34 PM

Taylor Mental: ununcle: Taylor Mental: tenpoundsofcheese: Where does it say that George lied to the court?
Someone else (his wife) mis-stated their finances to the court, not George.

This is a prime example of the Zimmerman fanbois buying into all his lies. He had some $130,000 in his bank account. Then his wife transferred it all out to his sister's and her account in three separate transactions after
Zimmerman told her in coded language how to do it. It's all on tape.

It's just more evidence of his manipulation of law enforcement and the judicial system his right wing, gun-loving supporters believe, while simultaneously arguing every stupid thing that points to his culpability in Treyvon's death.

I don't know if Florida has conspiracy statute, but if they do now is the time to use it.

The man was up againt the same type of lynch mob that let OJ walk. What the fark did you expect him to do? Fork over every dime and hire a public defender? They needed that money to fight off the ridiculous amount of resources the race pimps had stacked against them. I'd be OK with Zimmerman being punished for that,, if we could agree to Jabba the slut going to jail for perjury, and the Martin parents donating their 2 million dollar settlement to charity. Otherwise,,,, Ha Ha!!!!

Lynch mob, really? There were no mobs with torches who showed up at the jail to string Zimmerman up as far as I know. In fact, I'm certain of this. However, there has been a long history of this sort of thing happening to blacks in the south. So, maybe they feel like they don't get just even after all these years.

And for you and your ilk it's not about an innocent man being tried for a crime he didn't commit, it's about the "race pimps" demanding justice just like anyone would do if they felt a kid was murdered and the local police didn't do their utmost to enforce the law and see justice done.

Why is that so hard for you to grasp?


Lynch mobs don't use torches and rope anymore. They use cell phones, I pods and politics. You're right about one thing though,, their trying to get even.  The OJ verdict, the central park wilding, flash mobs, the rash of hate crime litigation against anyone who doesn't cow-toe to the PC police, demonstrates in spades every farking day,week, month and year since forced integration that it's more about "payback" then it is about this farking rainbow of devirstity y'all try to preach. So grasp this. If you raise your farking 17 year old 6 foot tall football playing craka hating kid to pummel me,,,, he might wind up dead.
 
2013-07-14 11:21:42 PM

Dimensio: The Great EZE: Dimensio: What level of injury must an individual sustain before you approve of the use of deadly force to end a violent attack?

We can start the bidding at something more than what you'd see during a preseason hockey fight.

What level of threat must an individual experience before you approve of them physically defending themselves?

A reasonable threat of imminent grievous bodily injury (including though not limited to death), kidnapping or sexual assault justifies the use of deadly force.

Unlike you, I do not believe that civilians are obligated to suffer physical injury from unprovoked attackers.


I didn't ask about "deadly force," I asked about physical defense. Does somebody have to actually be in the process of getting kidnapped or assaulted before they can put their hands (or let's say pepper spray) on a stalker?

You are aware there's a difference between fighting and attempting to kill, right? And the difference lies far beyond whatever trouble Zimmerman got himself into.
 
2013-07-14 11:23:52 PM

Amos Quito: Gyrfalcon: Zimmerman thought it was sufficiently suspicious that a black person would be in his neighborhood at that hour and he wanted (instead of my caller) to do something about this black person, rather than calling the cops who would stop Martin,


Uh, the FIRST thing Zimmerman did was call the cops.


Gyrfalcon: find out he was just looking for his girlfriend and let him go.


If Trayvon was "just looking for his girlfriend", he was in the wrong city. In fact, Trayvon was staying in the neighborhood - at his FATHER'S girlfriend's house. TM was, however, talking to a girl who was a friend - on his cell phone.

Gyrfalcon:  Zimmerman wanted to be Charles Bronson in "Death Wish" + Dirty Harry;


Is that what Charles Bronson and Dirty Harry would have done? Called the police? Because that's what Zimmerman did. (And Dirty Harry was Clint Eastwood, BTW)

Gyrfalcon:  and if Martin really had been the badass thug everyone seems to think he was, Zimmerman would have been deader than shiat when Martin pulled out his own gun and capped his ass.


Trayvon didn't have a gun (though his texts - that were not made available to the jury - indicated that he was interested in getting one).


Gyrfalcon: Instead, Zimmerman got the ass-whipping he so richly deserved,


"Deserved"? Why do you say that? Because he saw an unfamiliar, suspicious character who appeared to be casing houses in a neighborhood where many burglaries - most unsolved - had happened recently? Should anyone who calls the cops about suspicious characters have their "ass-whipped"?

Gyrfalcon:  and probably really was in genuine fear of his life when he fired.


Well, I'm glad to see that you agree with the jury's decision that Zimmerman acted in self-defense, and committed no crime.

Gyrfalcon:  Now if Martin had been a little LESS of a thug, he would have just stopped when confronted by Zimmerman,


Nothing in evidence suggests that Zimmerman confronted Martin - in fact, there is every indication that the r ...


Dude.....your hero ended up with a farking teenager on top of him in FULL FARKING MOUNT. Yeah, once you have a teenager on top of you in full mount, you've lost all claim to manliness, manhood, heterosexuality, ANYTHING that makes you a man or an adult.

Dude, TEENAGER. FULL MOUNT. Yeah, you're pathetic.

Sure, he's not guilty, but he's not a man either.
 
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