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2013-07-14 07:18:11 PM
NY Times:

Talk of Race, Barred in Trial, Drives Reactions to Verdict

QUOTE:

"Trayvon Benjamin Martin is dead because he and other black boys and men like him are not seen as a person, but a problem," the Rev. Dr. Raphael G. Warnock, the senior pastor at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, told his congregation on Sunday morning. In an interview afterward, Dr. Warnock put the killing in the context of a month in which the Supreme Court voted 5-4 to, in effect, gut the Voting Rights Act".

"The last few weeks have been pivotal to the consciousness of black America," he said. "Black men have been stigmatized. We've become a stigmatized mascot for social misery and the canvas on which America projects all of its problems."

[FURTHER DOWN OBAMA CHIMES IN TO FAN THE FLAMES WITH PREDICTABLE POLITICAL POSTURING]

QUOTE:

"The death of Trayvon Martin was a tragedy," the president said in a statement issued by the White House. "Not just for his family, or for any one community, but for America. I know this case has elicited strong passions. And in the wake of the verdict, I know those passions may be running even higher. But we are a nation of laws, and a jury has spoken.

[Did the POTUS just imply that the verdict was unjust?]

[...]

[Obama continues]

"We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin."

END QUOTE

Well, it would certainly APPEAR that Mr. Obama is implying that everyone should remain calm, and RESPECT the jury's decision (even if it WAS "racist"), AND THEN, without missing a beat, Obama goes on to BLAME THE GUN (and the white debbil who used it, and got off because "racism", of course).

So here we have leaders of the "Black Community" (including the Race-Baiter in Chief) bemoaning (by implication) the "fact" that blacks in the US suffer (largely) because they are beaten, "profiled", targeted and victimized by the (WHITE) judicial system, victims of the Institutional Racism that called this case to our attention to begin with.

Remember that?

The ONLY reason that this case gained national attention was the accusation that the Sanford Police Dept. and Prosecutor's Office failed to charge Zimmerman with a crime. And they held fast to their decision - even in the face of ENORMOUS political pressure from the Professional Race-Baiters (Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Spike Lee, etc), from Florida's governor, EVEN from Obama himself, who charged US Attorney General Eric Holder with conducting a "special investigation" into the allegations of Institutional Racism in Sanford, Florida.

But still, the Sanford officials REFUSED to budge: They maintained that they declined to press charges because, after reviewing the available evidence, interviewing witnesses, interrogating Zimmerman, and reviewing the reports of forensic and medical evidence, they concluded that there was not sufficient evidence that Zimmerman could be successfully prosecuted.

But the race-baiters and the lying media kept the pressure on, until the Sanford Police Chief was forced to resign in the ensuing brouhaha.

Finally, frustrated at the insolence of the "racist" Sanford officials, the Governor of Florida appointed a "Special Prosecutor" who had ONE JOB: Prosecute George Zimmerman.

And prosecute they did. They assembled a "crack" team of hard-core "winners" who, being "good prosecutors", cared about ONE THING and ONE THING ONLY: Winning the case. Facts? Truth? These are mere inconveniences - hurdles to be overcome by whatever devious means necessary. And considering the fact that they were tasked with the equivalent of building the Great Pyramid with Play-Doh, they must be applauded for their efforts - their sleazy, deceptive, slimy, underhanded efforts.

Unfortunately for these Judicial Jesters, once the court was in session, their "case" quickly began to unravel, as the prosecution's OWN star witnesses provided testimony that could ONLY be construed to support the position of the defense: Patrol officers, supervisors, detectives, dispatchers, crime scene experts, doctors, medical examiners, the neighbors who were eye and ear witnesses to the altercation, even Trayvon Martin's friend who spoke with him on the phone during those last crucial minutes - all of these witnesses for the PROSECUTION gave testimony that supported the DEFENSE.

And if that weren't enough, the physical and documentary evidence ALSO favored the Defense position, and the reason that the Sanford PD declined to press charges soon became clear: THEY HAD NO CASE.

After the first few days of trial proceedings, it became abundantly clear that the entire trial was a farce - a facade fabricated in an effort to placate the RACIAL TENSION AND RAGE that had been created NOT by the incident itself, but by the Professional Race-Baiters, the lying, deceptive grandstanding media, and the sleazy politicians who were using this unfortunate incident as a POLITICAL TOOL.

Following extended deliberations, the jury returned a verdict last night: NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS, and the man who was not initially charged by the Sanford PD was allowed to walk free - to live in fear of vigilante retribution for as long as he is able to evade those who would target him.

With the verdict came the vindication of the accused - not only George Zimmerman, but the Sanford PD and Prosecutors office, and all others who REFUSED to bow to the extreme pressure put on them by sleazy politicians, the media and the public, and STOOD THEIR GROUND in the name of justice.

These people are true heroes of conscience and of character, and should be applauded by each and every person who values justice, integrity and the rule of law.

And what of the race-baiters, media pundits and politicians who tried to railroad George Zimmerman to serve their own nefarious ends? Are they apologizing? Apologizing to the man who was wrongfully accused and should never have been brought to trial? Are they apologizing to the Sanford officials that they viciously accused of Institutional Racism for refusing to press charges in spite of political pressure that bore down on them from the White House itself?

NO. Instead we see that they are TURNING UP THE VOLUME OF THEIR RHETORIC, whining that justice was NOT served, using this case and the jury's verdict as FURTHER "evidence" that the entire justice system is "racist"!

In other words they continue to do what they do best: Divide us as a nation by creating inter-group tension, strife and hatred, AND to further specific political goals, such as neutering the Bill Of Rights. We see the Provocateur In Chief immediately seizing this issue as an opportunity to "justify" the gun-grabbing ambitions of he and his fellow Authoritarians and would-be oligarchs - Republican and Democrat alike.

Those that foisted this farce on the American people owe an apology - not only to George Zimmerman and the Sanford officials, but to ALL Americans - for attempting to hoodwink and divide us for the sake of furthering their own selfish and sinister political agendas.

But don't hold your breath. No apologies will be forthcoming.

The best thing that we can do, as a people, is to learn a lesson as to how those in power - politicians, media, agent provocateurs - work to manipulate us - TO TURN US AGAINST ONE ANOTHER - because a nation that is preoccupied with infighting between groups is much easier to control and to rule.

And that is precisely what they hope to accomplish: Divide and Rule.

The next time you see these scheming con-men playing their games, remember their tactics. We don't have to fall prey to their schemes.
 
2013-07-14 07:20:14 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Befuddled: Why do so many quote Zimmerman's BS account of what happened as if it were proven fact? His account is totally unbelievable. Zimmerman was incredibly lucky that there were no other witnesses to his crime so he could make up a story that would vindicate him and that the investigators to his crime were incompetent.

Ok, I'll bite.

What do you think happened.
Keep in mind what happened the other 46 times he called 911, his 1/10 rating from the MMA instructor, his history of working across racial lines to help people (the black homeless person, the tutoring), the bruises he had and the lack of any on Martin.
Throw in his reenactment for the police (he didn't lawyer up) and the consistency of all the prosecution witnesses.

Go ahead, tell me what happened and be specific.


In the dark of night he prowled.  Sweat glistening off his lean buttocks, the wind whispering through his hair.  How long had he waited for this?  How long?  He picked up the scent of his prey on the wind, half-germanic, half-latino, the faint whiff of cheetos and Michelob set his mind at ease:  this would be easy prey.  He circled back through the parking lot sniffing the ground, he had lost his handlers hours ago and they may find him at any time, he had to be quick.  He spotted his prey wending through the buildings, the thick heat of a summer's night bearing down on him, he could almost taste the delicious man flesh and the delicious snapping of bones.

In an instant he sprang, leaping out of the shadows.  His furry arm reaching out to end the fight before it even began.  He was shocked when the portly young man spun around, grabbing a gun from his back holster with preternatural swiftness.  He managed to get one claw on him and force him to the ground.  Shots rang out in the empty night, but he was too swift and the bullets only grazed him.  But then he heard a thud behind him, the bullets meant for him struck another.  His lupine lips curled in a sneer of frustration, one death could go unnoticed, two would be problematic.  He leaped up, bounding on top of the apartment buildings and rushing to the safety of his private plane waiting for him on the tarmac, he always returned, even if he was covered in blood.

George Zimmerman stood dumbstruck.  Who would believe him if he told the truth?  They would think him mad, MAD!  In the cold dark of the night the crushing burden of the awful truth fell upon him, he knew he would get no rest, he would never be safe again.

Were-Obama would find him.  Were-Obama would never forget.  On night in the dark, those red eyes would come calling for him.  Zimmerman wept.
 
2013-07-14 07:22:34 PM

Popcorn Johnny: For no reason at all, Mark O'Mara's wife.


Wow.. O'Mara's wife.... Kinda.... looks like him, actually.

Anyways, Molly West:
i.imgur.com

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2013-07-14 07:22:34 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Owangotang: He walked, it was the right thing legally, but probably not the right thing morally.

what did he do that was immoral?
How long should he have been beaten before he tried to stop it with more than yelling for his life?


He killed a 17 year old person because he was losing a fight. No concussion, no head trauma besides a broken nose and minor cuts on the back of his head. No attempt to shoot Trayvon in the leg or arm or anywhere non-lethal. Hell if Trayvon was straddling Zimmerman and punching him then Zimmerman pulled his pistol and intentionally passed Trayvon's left leg, which was closest to Zimmerman's right hand, and proceeded to point the gun at Trayvon's chest and end his life.

Add in the fact that he lied about the money he had received from donors for his legal defense, the fact that he chose to give his interview to a right-wing talking head, and the fact that he stated "farking punks, they always get away with it" in regards to Trayvon despite having no way of knowing whether or not Trayvon was actually a thief...

Well, it all adds up to one loathsome individual. A rightfully not guilty due to lack of evidence, loathsome individual.
 
2013-07-14 07:28:27 PM

parasol: ununcle: The word has lost all meaning the last couple of decades for anyone with common sense.. Mainstream media legitimizing the constructs of "institutional racism" and "white privilege" has imbedded in the minds of a whole generation of blacks that ALL whites are racist. So what farking difference does it make? After this trial we may start hearing terms like "Hispanic privilege".


Pretty sure I heard "hispanic privilege" in the discussion over immigration reform already


Yea, I'm sure it had nothing to do with the hundreds of years slavery was legalized by a bunch of guys who said "all men are created equal" and then their Supreme Court that only gave them 3/5ths of human status, sold them like dogs and all other manner of nonsense to justify free labor. And even after a civil war and constitutional amendment, went on for another 100 years to basically do the same thing by allowing the states to trump up criminal charges on anyone without due process and then sell the labor of convicts to the highest so the local sheriff could profit. And on and on and on.

And I'm sure none of the feelings of the victims of this barbaric and evil treatment by those who professed a belief in God passed it on to their progeny, who in turn passed it on to their kids the same way all people keep a verbal record of (lore) family history when they don't know how to read and write because, guess what, dogs don't need to learn how to read and write.

So don't give me that bullshiat about the media inciting this. I can't hardly look at any comment board without some farking stupid racist babbling on about "the race card" in the most ignorant way. At the heart of this is fear coupled with an obstinate refusal to face the facts - chief among those is not everyone looks and thinks exactly like you. And who has put this idea in your head, was it not some form of media?

Media is just form of communication, blaming it is like blaming tongues and spreading propaganda that tongues are the cause of all bad things, while keeping a secret horde of garlic and other spices to yourself. It's farking stupid and everyone with a brain can see through the flimsy ass excuse.
 
2013-07-14 07:28:50 PM

Amos Quito: No apologies will be forthcoming.


Good. No one owes you or anyone else anything close to an apology for this.
 
2013-07-14 07:33:15 PM
The vigilante's will need blubber piercing bullets.
 
2013-07-14 07:33:26 PM

Befuddled: Why do so many quote Zimmerman's BS account of what happened as if it were proven fact? His account is totally unbelievable. Zimmerman was incredibly lucky that there were no other witnesses to his crime so he could make up a story that would vindicate him and that the investigators to his crime were incompetent.


If you where there, why did you not testify for the Prosecution? Do you know what happened besides what had been provided in the evidence?
 
2013-07-14 07:35:13 PM

hardinparamedic: DoomPaul: I wouldn't be fond of someone following me asking me what am I doing here, but that is not illegal nor does it warrant me getting physical with them.

Except that in the situation, Zimmerman had no duty to act, nor duty to follow. No one was in imminent danger. And he expressed his intentions on a recorded line. Taking this into account, it's easy to argue that his mentality and mindset, and actions negligently escalated the situation to the point where he had to use lethal force.


Jeebus, man! What farking part of the country do you live in, Candyland (where you can even eat the dishes)?! This is farking Sanford where if you see someone in an area they don't belong and looking suspicious, well, they are probably up to no good. That's just the way it is, dude. It must be incredibly nice that in your particular neighborhood you can have folks casing out places and ignore them and the fact that you ignored them means they'll simply go away. Sad as you might think this is, being pro-active and doing whatever you can to make hoodlums go away isn't a bad thing. It's too bad Martin wound up getting killed (rather than simply incapacitated) but he was up to no good and got caught and paid the consequences. Maybe Zimmerman should have pretty much done nothing after calling the cops who very likely wouldn't have arrived so fast, thus allowing Martin to continue casing the area before being caught and telling the cops he's an innocent angel. He could have come back in later weeks ot maybe just found another nighborhood to case, one without any sort of CrimeWatch patrol.

But then his folks wouldn't be millions richer with a settlement.

/why I bother, I don't know
 
2013-07-14 07:37:49 PM

Owangotang: He killed a 17 year old person because he was losing a fight.


Point?

You do know assault and battery, are crimes, right?
http://www.assaultandbattery.org/florida/

When it didn't stop, and when no help came at his cries, he did what was legal and stopped the aggressor who initially broke the law.

Zimmerman wasn't a fighter; why do people keep insinuating there is something wrong with that?  Internet Tough Guy syndrome?  He was a fight ender though.  I think some people are just jealous, think it's "cheating", see some "honor" in fist fighting, it's just barbaric.
 
2013-07-14 07:38:25 PM

Popcorn Johnny: For no reason at all, Mark O'Mara's wife.

[unitedstatespilatesassociation.com image 298x448]


Good god is that man lucky. He always seemed to exude a sense of content during the proceedings and I thought it was just sense of confidence in his percuit  for justice. Turns out he was most likely putting his face between those breast and going BRuBRuBRuBRuBaaahhhh every farking night.
 
2013-07-14 07:38:42 PM

Owangotang: He killed a 17 year old person because he was losing a fight. No concussion, no head trauma besides a broken nose and minor cuts on the back of his head. No attempt to shoot Trayvon in the leg or arm or anywhere non-lethal. Hell if Trayvon was straddling Zimmerman and punching him then Zimmerman pulled his pistol and intentionally passed Trayvon's left leg, which was closest to Zimmerman's right hand, and proceeded to point the gun at Trayvon's chest and end his life.


i49.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-14 07:39:34 PM
If my quadrocopter flies over George and he looks into the camera, then I will  DEFINITELY fear for my life. I will have no choice but to take action to defend myself.

i651.photobucket.com

P.S., I can totally pass for white. If I wear my thick black-rimmed glasses and pick the right tie, they'll call me Mr. Whitey McWhite. Checkmate!

// LOL
// WTF!!11
</thatsthejoke>
 
2013-07-14 07:41:26 PM
Zimmerman will make a bundle suing the media for altering the 911 call, to make it sound like he was a racist and for altering photograph showing less blood/ wounds on his head. Doe's he have a case for suing the prosecutor for with holding evidence?
Here's a lil' salt for those wounds on the team trayvon. He's expected to get his pistol back from the police, but he could lose his CCW
 
2013-07-14 07:43:20 PM

omeganuepsilon:Point?

You do know assault and battery, are crimes, right?
http://www.assaultandbattery.org/florida/

When it didn't stop, and when no help came at his cries, he did what was legal and stopped the aggressor who initially broke the law.

Zimmerman wasn't a fighter; why do people keep insinuating there is something wrong with that?  Internet Tough Guy syndrome?  He was a fight ender though.  I think some people are just jealous, think it's "cheating", see some "honor" in fist fighting, it's just barbaric.


Assault and battery are not crimes punishable by death in the U.S....well, at least they weren't. It has nothing to do with ITG syndrome and everything to do with irresponsible handling of a deadly weapon. He did not have to shoot Trayvon in the chest, he chose to.

Popcorn Johnny: [i49.tinypic.com image 158x152]


Funny how all you do is stir the pot with asinine ramblings and cannot even see the hypocrisy in choosing to respond to me with a picture of one person hitting another in the face. Think real hard about why that makes you an idiot.
 
2013-07-14 07:46:53 PM

Owangotang: Funny how all you do is stir the pot with asinine ramblings and cannot even see the hypocrisy in choosing to respond to me with a picture of one person hitting another in the face. Think real hard about why that makes you an idiot.


I've tried a thousand times to discuss the facts with members of Team Trayvon. People such as yourself refuse to ignore the evidence in the case and continue making preposterous assumptions, most that are directly contradicted by the evidence. A silly picture is all the recognition you deserve.
 
2013-07-14 07:49:34 PM

Owangotang: Assault and battery are not crimes punishable by death in the U.S....well, at least they weren't. It has nothing to do with ITG syndrome and everything to do with irresponsible handling of a deadly weapon. He did not have to shoot Trayvon in the chest, he chose to.


Oh for god sakes. I'm no fan of Zimmerman. I thought he was a complete moron for getting himself into the situation.

But the fact is this Trayvon was kicking his ass. Zimmerman feared for his life.  When you pull a farking gun you KILL your target.

This is the ONLY reason a gun is invented. To kill living things and destroy the target.

The real crime is this: Apparently you can aggravate the situation and SHOOT your way out of it.
 
2013-07-14 07:51:47 PM

Sagus: Doe's he have a case for suing the prosecutor for with holding evidence?


That's a big maybe.  They handed over the phone, but not the interpretation of the (hidden/deleted)data that was on it.

If there's a date for deletion after TM's death, I'm sure someone will take it up the ass for tampering with evidence, and if that date is after it was in evidence, surely the state will pay handsomely.

When they finally did get it, the judge wouldn't let it in, so there's another malpractice possibility.

We do know they had a hand in censoring Racheal Jeantel's facebook pages before she showed in the trial as well, though that's not the same as tampering, it would certainly have a bearing on communicating with a witness.

The dad(TM's) could be brought up on perjury charges, 2 more witnesses were ready to testify that wasn't what was said by him.  I doubt the state would prosecute though, as they've been on his side trying to protect him all along.  That's one interview the cops should have recorded for sure.
 
2013-07-14 07:52:52 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Owangotang: Funny how all you do is stir the pot with asinine ramblings and cannot even see the hypocrisy in choosing to respond to me with a picture of one person hitting another in the face. Think real hard about why that makes you an idiot.

I've tried a thousand times to discuss the facts with members of Team Trayvon. People such as yourself refuse to ignore the evidence in the case and continue making preposterous assumptions, most that are directly contradicted by the evidence. A silly picture is all the recognition you deserve.


And yet I have stated throughout that legally Zimmerman was not guilty. That does not stop me from believing he did it and that while legal justice was served moral justice was not. Nothing I have stated was contradicted by any hard evidence. If you choose to believe Zimmerman's every word go ahead, but you're believing someone who lied about how much money he had for his legal defense, and you are believing someone who took his story to a right-wing mouthpiece in a calculated move.
 
2013-07-14 07:53:18 PM

Popcorn Johnny: People such as yourself refuse to ignore the evidence in the case

....

i1162.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-14 07:57:24 PM

Owangotang: That does not stop me from believing he did it


I guess it's a real shame that you can't offer one piece of evidence to support those beliefs. That would drive me farking crazy.
 
2013-07-14 07:58:54 PM

Sofa_king_kewl: He was found not guilty,


Just like OJ was.
 
2013-07-14 08:01:10 PM

omeganuepsilon: That's a big maybe.  They handed over the phone, but not the interpretation of the (hidden/deleted)data that was on it.


Well, not so much of a maybe, there's a big chance of it according to:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/13/justice/zimmerman-it-firing/index.html


Owangotang: Assault and battery are not crimes punishable by death in the U.S....well, at least they weren't.


Irrelevant, GZ was not being a vigilante, he was performing self defense against assault and battery, and that's not punishable at all in even states that don't have what is colloquially known as SYG.

He tried everything within his power, the firearm was the last resort.  If anyone is noble, it's him for having held out so long, people can, and have, gotten away with self defense with much less damage to their person, as the law is intended.  Even a threat that a reasonable person would believe would suffice.

Just like the cop who shot the guy in the head who was holding a little girl hostage with a knife, letting her get away unscathed.  But yeah, that cop's a murderer, little girl should have toughed it out.  farking pussy!
 
2013-07-14 08:02:05 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Owangotang: That does not stop me from believing he did it

I guess it's a real shame that you can't offer one piece of evidence to support those beliefs. That would drive me farking crazy.


The majority of Americans believe in god without any evidence. Why shouldn't they believe Zimmerman is guilty?
 
2013-07-14 08:02:22 PM

flondrix: Sofa_king_kewl: He was found not guilty,

Just like OJ was.


No, OJ's defense was not attempting to legitimize actions with self defense.  OJ's case specifics are irrelevant here.
 
2013-07-14 08:02:55 PM

omeganuepsilon: If anyone is noble, it's him for having held out so long


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
 
2013-07-14 08:03:59 PM

omeganuepsilon: flondrix: Sofa_king_kewl: He was found not guilty,

Just like OJ was.

No, OJ's defense was not attempting to legitimize actions with self defense.  OJ's case specifics are irrelevant here.


Yea, OJ was an example of jury nullification. It wasn't like this one where they acquitted based on the evidence.
 
2013-07-14 08:04:30 PM

DoomPaul: He can walk in public and while people may not like him, they cannot legally attack him.


Sure they can.  They can even chase him down before using lethal force in "self defense", and they'll be acquitted.
 
2013-07-14 08:04:35 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Owangotang: That does not stop me from believing he did it

I guess it's a real shame that you can't offer one piece of evidence to support those beliefs. That would drive me farking crazy.


I'm not interested in convincing anyone that I am right, therefore I could not care less that I cannot prove this belief to you.
 
2013-07-14 08:05:21 PM
George Zimmerman: Noble champion of ineffectual losers everywhere!
 
2013-07-14 08:05:34 PM

Owangotang: He killed a 17 year old person because he was losing a fight. No concussion, no head trauma besides a broken nose and minor cuts on the back of his head. No attempt to shoot Trayvon in the leg or arm or anywhere non-lethal. Hell if Trayvon was straddling Zimmerman and punching him then Zimmerman pulled his pistol and intentionally passed Trayvon's left leg, which was closest to Zimmerman's right hand, and proceeded to point the gun at Trayvon's chest and end his life.


Heh,,, Really? Now people are going with the "why didn't he go for the leg" angle? Maybe George didn't wanna risk hitting trademarks femoral artery and thought a lung shot was safer. Maybe,,, he was attempting to shoot Trademark in his pinky finger but trademarks hands where moving so fast he missed.
 
2013-07-14 08:06:16 PM

Owangotang: I'm not interested in convincing anyone that I am right, therefore I could not care less that I cannot prove this belief to you.


Then stop posting?
 
2013-07-14 08:07:16 PM

Carth: Popcorn Johnny: Owangotang: That does not stop me from believing he did it

I guess it's a real shame that you can't offer one piece of evidence to support those beliefs. That would drive me farking crazy.

The majority of Americans believe in god without any evidence. Why shouldn't they believe Zimmerman is guilty?


Should/shouldn't always implies a context.  They shouldn't if they want to maintain as fair of a judicial system as is possible, as bad as ours is, it could always be worse.  They shouldn't if they want to further civil rights causes by being respectable and fact based arguers.

But they are unreasonable and don't seem to want those things, so they should do whatever they please with their free speech rights, as do many prejudice bigots.  And like those other bigots, they will pay the price of public chastisement when they speak their inanity aloud or commit it to some public forum.
 
2013-07-14 08:07:17 PM

Carth: The majority of Americans believe in god without any evidence. Why shouldn't they believe Zimmerman is guilty?


It's all starting to make sense now.
 
2013-07-14 08:07:20 PM

hardinparamedic: DerpHerder: This is why GZ was aquitted.

Yeah. You might want to understand what that means. Hint: There's a huge difference between the shooting being ruled justified, and an acquittal.

DerpHerder: You can argue all day that by leaving his car and following Martin GZ instigated the assualt, but the law doesn't support this claim.

I'm talking civil responsibility, not criminal. There are a lot of acts that while not criminal and even justifiable, can be held as civilly negligent.

DerpHerder: That is why the prosecution said GZ initiated the fight and was incontrol of the fight when he shot Martin. There was an eyewitness who reported Martin ontop of Zimmerman aswell so again you are just wrong in everything you said. What you believe has nothing to do with how the law is applied.

Neither being a handgun carry permit holder, nor being a member of a neighborhood watch imposed upon him a legal duty to act in what he did. You might want to take that into consideration when you start talking about a  civil trial versus a  criminal trial.


Wrong again. Aquitall is being found free of the charges leveed against a person. Justifiable shooting is an aquittal of the charges against him 2nd degree murder and manslaughter. He wasn't found guilty of a justifiable shooting. He isn't liable civilly on the state level, and the federal level isn't geared towards individual nongovernment actors.

Have fun with the butthurt.
 
2013-07-14 08:07:34 PM

Popcorn Johnny: I guess it's a real shame that you can't offer one piece of evidence to support those beliefs. That would drive me farking crazy.


Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. seem to deal with it somehow.
 
2013-07-14 08:07:54 PM

Owangotang: Popcorn Johnny: Owangotang: Funny how all you do is stir the pot with asinine ramblings and cannot even see the hypocrisy in choosing to respond to me with a picture of one person hitting another in the face. Think real hard about why that makes you an idiot.

I've tried a thousand times to discuss the facts with members of Team Trayvon. People such as yourself refuse to ignore the evidence in the case and continue making preposterous assumptions, most that are directly contradicted by the evidence. A silly picture is all the recognition you deserve.

And yet I have stated throughout that legally Zimmerman was not guilty. That does not stop me from believing he did it and that while legal justice was served moral justice was not. Nothing I have stated was contradicted by any hard evidence. If you choose to believe Zimmerman's every word go ahead, but you're believing someone who lied about how much money he had for his legal defense, and you are believing someone who took his story to a right-wing mouthpiece in a calculated move.


You can imagine with all your heart, and wish on the wishing tree, and clap your hands if you believe... but it won't change the verdict, and it won't change that all the evidence points to you just being really really dumb.
 
2013-07-14 08:08:47 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Owangotang: That does not stop me from believing he did it

I guess it's a real shame that you can't offer one piece of evidence to support those beliefs. That would drive me farking crazy.


There was never any question that he did it.  Zimmerman never denied shooting Martin.
 
2013-07-14 08:08:58 PM

Owangotang: tenpoundsofcheese: Owangotang: He walked, it was the right thing legally, but probably not the right thing morally.

what did he do that was immoral?
How long should he have been beaten before he tried to stop it with more than yelling for his life?

He killed a 17 year old person because he was losing a fight.


He was losing a fight because no matter how much he was screaming to have it stopped, Martin just kept bashing him.

 No attempt to shoot Trayvon in the leg or arm or anywhere non-lethal.
 

How do you know where exactly he was aiming?
Or even whether or not he had any time or capability to aim. "Ok, that was the second head bash.  Let me now quietly compose myself and take aim"  Yeah, that is what he was able to do.

Besides, someone else pointed out that about 5% of the people who are shot actually die.

 Hell if Trayvon was straddling Zimmerman and punching him then Zimmerman pulled his pistol and intentionally passed Trayvon's left leg, which was closest to Zimmerman's right hand, and proceeded to point the gun at Trayvon's chest and end his life.

I have no idea what that sentence is trying to say.  You have no idea where his hands were at any given point.

Add in the fact that he lied about the money he had received from donors for his legal defense,

You are lying about that.
His wife was the one that talked to the court, not him.

You still haven't made any case for what was immoral.
 
2013-07-14 08:10:02 PM

flondrix: Popcorn Johnny: I guess it's a real shame that you can't offer one piece of evidence to support those beliefs. That would drive me farking crazy.

Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. seem to deal with it somehow.


Yeah, I tend to find them all pretty equally stupid as well, so they're at least on the same level.
 
2013-07-14 08:10:39 PM

Owangotang: Popcorn Johnny: Owangotang: Funny how all you do is stir the pot with asinine ramblings and cannot even see the hypocrisy in choosing to respond to me with a picture of one person hitting another in the face. Think real hard about why that makes you an idiot.

I've tried a thousand times to discuss the facts with members of Team Trayvon. People such as yourself refuse to ignore the evidence in the case and continue making preposterous assumptions, most that are directly contradicted by the evidence. A silly picture is all the recognition you deserve.

And yet I have stated throughout that legally Zimmerman was not guilty. That does not stop me from believing he did it and that while legal justice was served moral justice was not. Nothing I have stated was contradicted by any hard evidence. If you choose to believe Zimmerman's every word go ahead, but you're believing someone who lied about how much money he had for his legal defense, and you are believing someone who took his story to a right-wing mouthpiece in a calculated move.


I refuse to believe someone who keeps lying about what George said about his financial situation.
Bye bye!
 
2013-07-14 08:11:58 PM

Popcorn Johnny: For no reason at all, Mark O'Mara's wife.

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Summon her to my chambers.
 
2013-07-14 08:12:11 PM
Whiskey Pete: omeganuepsilon: If anyone is noble, it's him for having held out so long

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


If anyone is....

IF anyone is....

IF anyone is...

You may want to scoot along to bed, Junior, streetlights come on in 26 minutes.
 
2013-07-14 08:13:29 PM

omeganuepsilon: Whiskey Pete: omeganuepsilon: If anyone is noble, it's him for having held out so long

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

If anyone is....

IF anyone is....

IF anyone is...

You may want to scoot along to bed, Junior, streetlights come on in 26 minutes.


Awwww. You tried to be funny! Tried.
 
2013-07-14 08:13:43 PM
Lol at all the Zimmerman fluffers citing the "evidence" as the reason for his acquittal.  It has much more to do with Florida's mind-numbingly insane self-defense laws which place the burden of proof on the state to show that self defense didn't occur.  In practically every other state and country with a self defense statute, self-defense is an affirmative defense, where the burden lies on the defendant to show that he or she acted in self-defense.

This ruling has basically given the greenlight to every yahoo in Florida to shoot someone in private and claim they "were in fear for their life."  Protip:   I would not try that while being black.
 
2013-07-14 08:14:18 PM

ferretman: Befuddled: Why do so many quote Zimmerman's BS account of what happened as if it were proven fact? His account is totally unbelievable. Zimmerman was incredibly lucky that there were no other witnesses to his crime so he could make up a story that would vindicate him and that the investigators to his crime were incompetent.


I think this is where the jury had to do their weighing of reasonable doubt. Zimmerman's repeated recitation of the events in the recreation video and elsewhere, when juxtaposed with the recorded evidence, shows he was lying about certain things or was grossly inconsistent about other aspects. For instance, we know he totally fabricated the level of suspicion Treyvon displayed over and over again.

But, in all those videos Zimmerman demonstrated a very high level of understanding and familiarity with law enforcement culture and investigative tactics the average person simply does not possess. For me, a person who has somewhat of the same background, it made me immediately suspicious of him as being manipulative of his interrogators. But then Serino (lead investigator) testified Zimmerman was either being honest or was a pathological liar. So that's what the jury was left with.

I thought Zimmerman's behavior in court was even more evidence of manipulation of the judicial system. But, the law says you can't attach a conscienceness of guilt to a defendant who declines to testify on his own behalf.

I believe the evidence established the charge of 2nd degree murder and certainly manslaughter due to his statements on the non-emergency call, as well as the inconsistency of other facts including the timeline of events. But as I have said previously, I respect the jury's decision.
 
2013-07-14 08:14:25 PM

Taylor Mental: Yea, I'm sure it had nothing to do with the hundreds of years slavery was legalized by a bunch of guys who said "all men are created equal" and then their Supreme Court that only gave them 3/5ths of human status, sold them like dogs and all other manner of nonsense to justify free labor. And even after a civil war and constitutional amendment, went on for another 100 years to basically do the same thing by allowing the states to trump up criminal charges on anyone without due process and then sell the labor of convicts to the highest so the local sheriff could profit. And on and on and on.

And I'm sure none of the feelings of the victims of this barbaric and evil treatment by those who professed a belief in God passed it on to their progeny, who in turn passed it on to their kids the same way all people keep a verbal record of (lore) family history when they don't know how to read and write because, guess what, dogs don't need to learn how to read and write.

So don't give me that bullshiat about the media inciting this. I can't hardly look at any comment board without some farking stupid racist babbling on about "the race card" in the most ignorant way. At the heart of this is fear coupled with an obstinate refusal to face the facts - chief among those is not everyone looks and thinks exactly like you. And who has put this idea in your head, was it not some form of media?

Media is just form of communication, blaming it is like blaming tongues and spreading propaganda that tongues are the cause of all bad things, while keeping a secret horde of garlic and other spices to yourself. It's farking stupid and everyone with a brain can see through the flimsy ass excuse.


I can feel the butthurt through the monitor. You were wrong during the entire Zimmerman trial and you're wrong here.
 
2013-07-14 08:14:49 PM

amiable: In practically every other state and country with a self defense statute, self-defense is an affirmative defense, where the burden lies on the defendant to show that he or she acted in self-defense.


[citation needed]
 
2013-07-14 08:15:02 PM

amiable: Lol at all the Zimmerman fluffers citing the "evidence" as the reason for his acquittal.


...and this is why this nation is doomed.
 
2013-07-14 08:15:06 PM

amiable: Lol at all the Zimmerman fluffers citing the "evidence" as the reason for his acquittal.  It has much more to do with Florida's mind-numbingly insane self-defense laws which place the burden of proof on the state to show that self defense didn't occur.   In practically every other state and country with a self defense statute, self-defense is an affirmative defense, where the burden lies on the defendant to show that he or she acted in self-defense.

This ruling has basically given the greenlight to every yahoo in Florida to shoot someone in private and claim they "were in fear for their life."  Protip:   I would not try that while being black.


32 states have stand your ground laws with terms similar to Florida.
 
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