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2013-07-14 06:30:06 PM  

Mr. Breeze: Alonjar: Why are black people always so violent? :(

Too obvious. -1.5/10




So you're saying blacks are NOT 7 times more likely to murder you than whites?
 
2013-07-14 06:30:25 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: BLACKS SHOULD GO BACK TO AFRICA

-Akon

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2013-07-14 06:31:04 PM  

vpb: TuteTibiImperes:

While that sucks for the Martin family, I do agree with that - if you're acquitted in a criminal case you shouldn't face civil liability for the same incident.

It's not just a matter of the standard of proof being lower, you can be liable for civil damages without being criminally liable.

If you cause someone's death unintentionally you may not be guilty of a crime, but you still caused their death.  Just because you don't deserve prison doesn't mean that the family doesn't deserve compensation for the death.


In most (all?) states with stand-your-ground, justifiable use of it includes immunity from all liability.

As it should.
 
2013-07-14 06:31:40 PM  

Alonjar: So you're saying blacks are NOT 7 times more likely to murder you than whites?


No. He doesn't pretend that a complex, multifactorial issue as violent crime can be distilled simply down to the melanin content in one's skin.

I think that makes him a little more intelligent than someone who does.
 
2013-07-14 06:32:06 PM  
HardinParamedic - I really wouldn't call a stranger "racist" - It's just curious to me how many people are screaming about "racists" who also post the ugliest of stereotypes -

btw - thanks for the "need help soonish" chair pic  - i snarfed again
 
2013-07-14 06:33:27 PM  

farkmedown: In most (all?) states with stand-your-ground, justifiable use of it includes immunity from all liability.

As it should.


Actually, no it shouldn't. Civil Immunity should only be granted in specific circumstances where the HCP holder acted responsibly and didn't initiate the situation, escalate it avoidably, or play police officer. And then you have situations where even if it was a justifiable shooting, the amount of force used was overwhelmingly disproportionate in what was needed to neutralize the threat- i.e. the "I shot till he stopped moving" people.

Blanket Civil Immunity is a bad idea.
 
2013-07-14 06:33:42 PM  

hardinparamedic: Alonjar: So you're saying blacks are NOT 7 times more likely to murder you than whites?

No. He doesn't pretend that a complex, multifactorial issue as violent crime can be distilled simply down to the melanin content in one's skin.

I think that makes him a little more intelligent than someone who does.




Sorry. That just makes you bad at math.
 
2013-07-14 06:33:59 PM  

Alonjar: Mr. Breeze: Alonjar: Why are black people always so violent? :(

Too obvious. -1.5/10

So you're saying blacks are NOT 7 times more likely to murder you than whites?


I haven't looked at the state since i was in college over a decade ago but at the time blacks may have been 7 times more likely to commit murder but a white person was still more likely to be killed by another white person.
 
2013-07-14 06:34:14 PM  

Elegy: I see this thread has brought out the ugly side of Fark.

Clamoring for mob justice against a man who was found not guilty by the American judicial system.

Stay classy, guys.


Exactly, like when we all decided that if the jury found OJ innocent, that we should not second guess the jury.
 
2013-07-14 06:34:31 PM  

parasol: I really wouldn't call a stranger "racist" - It's just curious to me how many people are screaming about "racists" who also post the ugliest of stereotypes -


I've stopped calling people racist. Because I realize they retreat into the "YOU DONT KNOW MY TRUE FEELINGS" BS when confronted about it. In reality, I honestly don't care about what you are. I care about you being held accountable for what you say.
 
2013-07-14 06:35:11 PM  

hardinparamedic: farkmedown: In most (all?) states with stand-your-ground, justifiable use of it includes immunity from all liability.

As it should.

Actually, no it shouldn't. Civil Immunity should only be granted in specific circumstances where the HCP holder acted responsibly and didn't initiate the situation, escalate it avoidably, or play police officer. And then you have situations where even if it was a justifiable shooting, the amount of force used was overwhelmingly disproportionate in what was needed to neutralize the threat- i.e. the "I shot till he stopped moving" people.

Blanket Civil Immunity is a bad idea.


You should do something to change it, then. What is your plan?
 
2013-07-14 06:35:23 PM  

Carth: Alonjar: Mr. Breeze: Alonjar: Why are black people always so violent? :(

Too obvious. -1.5/10

So you're saying blacks are NOT 7 times more likely to murder you than whites?

I haven't looked at the state stats since i was in college over a decade ago but at the time blacks may have been 7 times more likely to commit murder but a white person was still more likely to be killed by another white person.


FTFM
 
2013-07-14 06:35:29 PM  

Alonjar: Sorry. That just makes you bad at math.


Riiiight.

Oh my god! Black people are so x! I mean, let's ignore A - Z to come to that conclusion, but yeah! x! Think of the children!
 
2013-07-14 06:36:06 PM  

Treygreen13: You should do something to change it, then. What is your plan?


I'm not going to be changing anything. It's already that way in my state. I'll spring into action when someone decides to change it.
 
2013-07-14 06:36:32 PM  

hardinparamedic: nor being a member of a neighborhood watch imposed upon him a legal duty to act in what he did


I would like to point out that there is no legal duty imposed on members of neighborhood watch to act in any situation! they are citizens who have volunteered to watch their neighborhood and call 911 when they see something suspicious, and even then there is no legal duty for them to do so.
 
2013-07-14 06:37:28 PM  
 
2013-07-14 06:37:32 PM  

Azlefty: I would like to point out that there is no legal duty imposed on members of neighborhood watch to act in any situation! they are citizens who have volunteered to watch their neighborhood and call 911 when they see something suspicious, and even then there is no legal duty for them to do so.


At least we can agree on this.
 
2013-07-14 06:38:05 PM  
Spoiler Alert: there is no "drunk" at the end of a bottle of California Strawberry Zinfindel.
 
2013-07-14 06:38:12 PM  

Azlefty: hardinparamedic: nor being a member of a neighborhood watch imposed upon him a legal duty to act in what he did

I would like to point out that there is no legal duty imposed on members of neighborhood watch to act in any situation! they are citizens who have volunteered to watch their neighborhood and call 911 when they see something suspicious, and even then there is no legal duty for them to do so.


You should also note that is irrelevant to this case, which had been resolved with a fair trial.
 
2013-07-14 06:38:15 PM  

Azlefty: hardinparamedic: nor being a member of a neighborhood watch imposed upon him a legal duty to act in what he did

I would like to point out that there is no legal duty imposed on members of neighborhood watch to act in any situation! they are citizens who have volunteered to watch their neighborhood and call 911 when they see something suspicious, and even then there is no legal duty for them to do so.


There's also no legal prohibition either.
 
2013-07-14 06:38:34 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: So just for future refrence guys I have to ask a simple question. Are mexicans white people now?


Relatively speaking.  For good or ill, people may begin to realize that racism is not a binary scheme, but a sliding scale of demeaning the person of darker shaded skin than yours.
 
2013-07-14 06:38:46 PM  

hardinparamedic: MyrnaMinkoff: I hope ole George is forced to read TFD advice threads while he slowly and painfully bleeds out. People like him make this world a worse place to live, and he's started this idiotic dialogue between overnight law "experts" and racist assholes. F*ck everybody.

You shut your mouth.

TFD Advice Threads are endless entertainment.


Maybe one every few weeks. Maybe.
 
2013-07-14 06:39:31 PM  

seadoo2006: One dead kid. Good. That's a damn good win for all.


I'm glad I'm not a hateful bigot. That's gotta be bad for the blood pressure.
 
2013-07-14 06:39:39 PM  

seadoo2006: There's also no legal prohibition either.


Actually, there is. It's called impersonating a police officer. Your HCP does not make you the po-po.

Treygreen13: You should also note that is irrelevant to this case, which had been resolved with a fair trial.


The criminal case has been resolved. The civil case, if allowed under Florida law, will hinge on that fact, among many others.
 
2013-07-14 06:39:51 PM  

MorePeasPlease: quatchi: Trayvon Martin and George Martin both acted like asshats that night.

[GRRMartin.jpg]


Okay , "George Zimmerman" then.

But I'm still not letting round-boy there off the hook for the Red Wedding.

/Seriously, that shiat was brutal.
 
HKW
2013-07-14 06:41:01 PM  

Azlefty: hardinparamedic: nor being a member of a neighborhood watch imposed upon him a legal duty to act in what he did

I would like to point out that there is no legal duty imposed on members of neighborhood watch to act in any situation! they are citizens who have volunteered to watch their neighborhood and call 911 when they see something suspicious, and even then there is no legal duty for them to do so.


And thats exactly what GZ did. He reported a suspicious person and, as trayvon moved around, updated 911 with the location of the suspect.

Until Trayvon decided to show what happens to beta white crackers who follow strong black men.
 
2013-07-14 06:41:06 PM  

hardinparamedic: seadoo2006: There's also no legal prohibition either.

Actually, there is. It's called impersonating a police officer. Your HCP does not make you the po-po.

Treygreen13: You should also note that is irrelevant to this case, which had been resolved with a fair trial.

The criminal case has been resolved. The civil case, if allowed under Florida law, will hinge on that fact, among many others.


There's no proof the weapon was ever brandished or exposed until Trayvon was on top of him, beating him, thus giving him the legal right to shoot the little bastard.
 
2013-07-14 06:41:06 PM  

seadoo2006: http://weaselzippers.us/2013/07/14/the-picture-of-trayvon-on-night-he - was-shot-that-the-msm-didnt-show/

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Haw! Haw! A black man holding up a store with a bag of skittles.  How stupid is dat?
 
2013-07-14 06:41:28 PM  

Mouser: teenage mutant ninja rapist: So just for future refrence guys I have to ask a simple question. Are mexicans white people now?

Relatively speaking.  For good or ill, people may begin to realize that racism is not a binary scheme, but a sliding scale of demeaning the person of darker shaded skin than yours.


Or lighter. It isn't fair to claim that racism is against darker people only. You should hear my Vietnamese mother in law talk about Chinese people.
 
2013-07-14 06:42:21 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: How is the headline ironic? When did Zimmerman try taking the law into his own hands? Is subby implying that only a member of law enforcement can stop one person from attacking another and that there's no place in our society for self defense?


No, but following a random person down a dark street even though the 911 operators suggested that he not do that indicates that he doesn't have much common sense.
 
2013-07-14 06:42:23 PM  

hardinparamedic: seadoo2006: There's also no legal prohibition either.

Actually, there is. It's called impersonating a police officer. Your HCP does not make you the po-po.

Treygreen13: You should also note that is irrelevant to this case, which had been resolved with a fair trial.

The criminal case has been resolved. The civil case, if allowed under Florida law, will hinge on that fact, among many others.


You really want to accuse Zimmerman of "impersonating a police officer". Really.
 
2013-07-14 06:42:47 PM  

jaytkay: Carth: I've never seen a law that says you can hit someone for being afraid of them

The Florida self defense statute states, "A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another...

Fear. That's the standard. You can attack someone if you are afraid they will harm you.

Link


I do not understand how hou have failed to comprehend the law that you have quoted directly. Based upon the wording of the law, an unreasonable fear is not legal justification for the use of deadly force.
 
2013-07-14 06:43:21 PM  

seadoo2006: There's no proof the weapon was ever brandished or exposed until Trayvon was on top of him, beating him, thus giving him the legal right to shoot the little bastard.


ITT: The thread where seadoo2006 can't comprehend the difference between criminal responsibility and civil responsibility for negligent acts and being proximate cause.
 
2013-07-14 06:43:27 PM  

seadoo2006: hardinparamedic: seadoo2006: There's also no legal prohibition either.

Actually, there is. It's called impersonating a police officer. Your HCP does not make you the po-po.

Treygreen13: You should also note that is irrelevant to this case, which had been resolved with a fair trial.

The criminal case has been resolved. The civil case, if allowed under Florida law, will hinge on that fact, among many others.

There's no proof the weapon was ever brandished or exposed until Trayvon was on top of him, beating him, thus giving him the legal right to shoot the little bastard.


No proof that he didn't brandish it causing Trey to go into self defense mode either.
 
2013-07-14 06:43:32 PM  

falcon176: Zimmerman is constantly under threat his life is in danger, therefore under Florida's Stand Your Ground law he can kill anybody he wants whenever he wants


Yep, who could overcome his assertion after shooting someone that he was in reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death?

Certainly no prosecutor in Florida.
 
2013-07-14 06:43:46 PM  
gee - you know what is really striking about that "Trayvon at the 7-11" picture?

change the hair/skin tones to "russian/irish" descent and viola! he is my tall, thin 17 year old who then had a penchant for hoodies and junk food - great, now I sound like Obama - good god

yeah - scary picture - terrifying - and as common as fast-food napkins
 
2013-07-14 06:44:01 PM  

Treygreen13: You really want to accuse Zimmerman of "impersonating a police officer". Really.


Actually, more like a LARPer. He never grew out of the phase where he pretended to be one as a kid.
 
2013-07-14 06:44:47 PM  

Dimensio: jaytkay: Carth: I've never seen a law that says you can hit someone for being afraid of them

The Florida self defense statute states, "A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another...

Fear. That's the standard. You can attack someone if you are afraid they will harm you.

Link

I do not understand how hou have failed to comprehend the law that you have quoted directly. Based upon the wording of the law, an unreasonable fear is not legal justification for the use of deadly force.


Dimensio, you have the patience of Buddha. How do you remain so diplomatic?
 
2013-07-14 06:44:51 PM  

Carth: jaytkay: reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm

I think you'd have a very hard time proving to a jury that a person following you makes you "in imminent peril of death or great bodily" harm. And considering Martin was on the phone and flat out said he wasn't afraid of Zimmerman we know that isn't the case here.


I'm not making any claims about the Zimmerman case. I was just pointing out that Florida law actually does allow self defense, even deadly self defense, based on fear alone.
 
2013-07-14 06:45:09 PM  

Mr. Breeze: rewind2846: FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.

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Should have thought about that before he decided to play judge, jury and executioner.

I didn't know executioners did their job lying on their backs while getting beaten by the convict.


Nonsense. George did most of his lying while sitting down. Oh I'm not saying that each of his mutually exclusive accounts of what happened that night was a lie. One of them might have been the truth but it's hard to tell which one.
 
2013-07-14 06:45:11 PM  
This acquittal is a victory for pathetic, doughy, insecure guntards the world over. REJOICE! Failure awaits you!
 
HKW
2013-07-14 06:45:44 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Popcorn Johnny: How is the headline ironic? When did Zimmerman try taking the law into his own hands? Is subby implying that only a member of law enforcement can stop one person from attacking another and that there's no place in our society for self defense?

No, but following a random person down a dark street even though the 911 operators suggested that he not do that indicates that he doesn't have much common sense.


You shouldnt take your 'facts' from MSNBC.
 
2013-07-14 06:46:02 PM  

clowncar on fire: seadoo2006: hardinparamedic: seadoo2006: There's also no legal prohibition either.

Actually, there is. It's called impersonating a police officer. Your HCP does not make you the po-po.

Treygreen13: You should also note that is irrelevant to this case, which had been resolved with a fair trial.

The criminal case has been resolved. The civil case, if allowed under Florida law, will hinge on that fact, among many others.

There's no proof the weapon was ever brandished or exposed until Trayvon was on top of him, beating him, thus giving him the legal right to shoot the little bastard.

No proof that he didn't brandish it causing Trey to go into self defense mode either.


No proof being the operative phrase. There's no proof, which is why Zimmerman walks.
 
2013-07-14 06:46:39 PM  

parasol: HardinParamedic - I really wouldn't call a stranger "racist" - It's just curious to me how many people are screaming about "racists" who also post the ugliest of stereotypes -

btw - thanks for the "need help soonish" chair pic  - i snarfed again


The word has lost all meaning the last couple of decades for anyone with common sense.. Mainstream media legitimizing the constructs of "institutional racism" and "white privilege" has imbedded in the minds of a whole generation of blacks that ALL whites are racist. So what farking difference does it make? After this trial we may start hearing terms like "Hispanic privilege".
 
2013-07-14 06:46:46 PM  

Treygreen13: Mouser: teenage mutant ninja rapist: So just for future refrence guys I have to ask a simple question. Are mexicans white people now?

Relatively speaking.  For good or ill, people may begin to realize that racism is not a binary scheme, but a sliding scale of demeaning the person of darker shaded skin than yours.

Or lighter. It isn't fair to claim that racism is against darker people only. You should hear my Vietnamese mother in law talk about Chinese people.


Japanese use to talk that way about the Koreans as well.  Funny thing is now, Koreans are the bomb with the Japanese youth.  Most Japanese drama these days are really dubbed in Korea shows


Not sure how this ties in with Trey/George, though. What was the question again?
 
2013-07-14 06:47:05 PM  

clowncar on fire: seadoo2006: hardinparamedic: seadoo2006: There's also no legal prohibition either.

Actually, there is. It's called impersonating a police officer. Your HCP does not make you the po-po.

Treygreen13: You should also note that is irrelevant to this case, which had been resolved with a fair trial.

The criminal case has been resolved. The civil case, if allowed under Florida law, will hinge on that fact, among many others.

There's no proof the weapon was ever brandished or exposed until Trayvon was on top of him, beating him, thus giving him the legal right to shoot the little bastard.

No proof that he didn't brandish it causing Trey to go into self defense mode either.


That's where the whole innocent until proven guilty thing comes in.
 
2013-07-14 06:47:15 PM  
Why do so many quote Zimmerman's BS account of what happened as if it were proven fact? His account is totally unbelievable. Zimmerman was incredibly lucky that there were no other witnesses to his crime so he could make up a story that would vindicate him and that the investigators to his crime were incompetent.
 
2013-07-14 06:47:17 PM  

HKW: Mrtraveler01: Popcorn Johnny: How is the headline ironic? When did Zimmerman try taking the law into his own hands? Is subby implying that only a member of law enforcement can stop one person from attacking another and that there's no place in our society for self defense?

No, but following a random person down a dark street even though the 911 operators suggested that he not do that indicates that he doesn't have much common sense.

You shouldnt take your 'facts' from MSNBC.


So Martin attacked Zimmerman from his truck?
 
2013-07-14 06:47:18 PM  

hardinparamedic: Treygreen13: You really want to accuse Zimmerman of "impersonating a police officer". Really.

Actually, more like a LARPer. He never grew out of the phase where he pretended to be one as a kid.


Now you're just being silly. Silly, silly man.
 
2013-07-14 06:47:18 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.


Good. That arrogant pendejo brought this upon himself.

I wonder how he'll react the first time a black guy starts following him around his neighborhood at night.

The coward, if he's smart, will leave this country for one that doesn't have many black people.
 
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