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2013-07-14 05:52:10 PM

parasol: HKW: Not true. GZ was working as neighborhood watch, so he has a right or duty to act on suspicious activity. GZ saw a person he did not recognise as a member of the community at night and at a time when the area had recent buglaries.

This has been covered before - neighborhood watch members do NOT have a "right" OR a "duty" to ACT.
They are, in fact, strongly, and repeatedly, told this is a BAD idea.
Mr Zimmerman had every right to carry a weapon, etc - but please do not confuse his rights as a neighborhood watch member.


This. In fact, they will tell you in a HCP class that you have extra responsibility to avoid inciting ANY conflict at all. Including to walk away from someone saying mean things about you without saying a word back if you're armed.
 
2013-07-14 05:52:20 PM

FloydA: Mr. Breeze: rewind2846: FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.

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Should have thought about that before he decided to play judge, jury and executioner.

I didn't know executioners did their job lying on their backs while getting beaten by the convict.


What was Martin convicted of?


See previous post. It's stupid to label GZ as executioner as he was getting his ass handed to him before he shot TM.

What makes you think GZ had the intent to be an executioner, as opposed to committing an act of self defense?
 
2013-07-14 05:52:21 PM

hardinparamedic: Oh dear. Next they'll be smoking pot!


or....

getting suspended from school
punching a bus driver
getting in fights
stealing jewelry
selling drugs
attempting to buy a gun
casing houses
using racial slurs
assaulting someone
 
2013-07-14 05:53:02 PM

clowncar on fire: Carth: clowncar on fire: Carth: clowncar on fire: MelGoesOnTour: I for one am sick of the Martin "supporters". They're the type of people who are always actively looking to cry "racism" at every opportunity. Sheesh. Give it a farkin' break, man!

I'm not a Travon supporter. However, I support the fact that someone who walks into a situation of his own making and then shoots someone else "in self defense" even less...

I commend the kid for keeping his distance and his recognition that poking around in other people's property is suspicious- adults have become so unreliable these days-- regret that kids can't just be smart enough to make harmless requests rather then being sneaky about things.  Had they have done so, the boy was welcome to hang out on ...

Zimmerman says exactly what he found suspicious about him during the 911 call and in his statements read at court. Did you listen to the trial at all?

I'm freakin' middle class peasant.  I work.  Who has time for that tripe.  I rely strictly on Fark when I want to know what really happened.  So what exactly did Zimmerman find so "suspicion worthy" that he needed confront after being told to stand down?

Here is the full transcript from the 911 call. I got in trouble in another thread for posting too much of it.

Also the state had no evidence that he tried to "confront" martin or did anything other than walk back to his car after being told they didn't need him to follow martin.

"Okay.  He's just walking around the area....looking at all the houses...  Now he's staring at me"
He starts to approach Zimmerman with something in his hand.
Zimmer comments how these a-holes always get away once the police notify him that they are on the way.
Change of heart- Williams makes a run for it.  Police are on the way.  STAND DOWN GEORGE_ PEOPLE RUNNING AWAY POSE NO IMMEDIATE THREAT (unless you have reasonable suspicion that they may be off to get a weapon)


FWIW, I always check out homes when I walk around.  Not gay but am always looking around for that next diy or appreciate good architecture regardless the time of day.  If I catch you eyeballing me for it damn sure i'm going wonder what your problem is.
 
2013-07-14 05:53:23 PM

TuteTibiImperes: FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.


I think this was his problem to begin with....
 
2013-07-14 05:53:27 PM

hardinparamedic: TheHappyCanadian: Trayvon fellators upon hearing verdict:

Someone was exercising their first amendment right to free expression by burning a flag.

Oh dear. Next they'll be smoking pot!


They also destroyed property in the Mission District where my son works. Shop windows, police cars, etc. Not a first amendment free expression kind of thing.
 
2013-07-14 05:54:08 PM

Popcorn Johnny: hardinparamedic: Oh dear. Next they'll be smoking pot!

or....

getting suspended from school
punching a bus driver
getting in fights
stealing jewelry
selling drugs
attempting to buy a gun
casing houses
using racial slurs
assaulting someone


human race problems
 
2013-07-14 05:54:48 PM

Confusean: phenn: Iowan73: phenn: Iowan73: There is no evidence of who started the fight. But the only reason those two ever met was because Zimmerman made it happen.

So? Was that illegal?

No. I don't think he should have been convicted of murder. But he is at least partially responsible for getting himself into a an easily avoidable situation and then having to shoot his way out. If he had minded his own business or left it to the police, none of this would have happened.

We can certainly agree on that. He acted stupidly. Totally agree. Doesn't rise to second degree murder, but definitely eaten alive by dumbass.

Which was more stupid, following someone or attacking someone for following?
I wonder how many people in New York are followed by another person while walking a day.......So while i'm taking notes on the new world order, I'm white so I can't walk behind a black person, I cant say I'm not for Obamacare, and I can't even vote for a republican or i'm a racist, right?


I said he was partially responsible. Reading comprehension is not your thing.

I don't know if you're a racist or not, but you're clearly an idiot.
 
2013-07-14 05:55:07 PM

HKW: Not true. GZ was working as neighborhood watch,


Not really. He never "worked", since the neighborhood watch program was voluntary. He had no sworn duty to do anything, and could just as well have stayed home and watched tv.

Dorival said she worked closely with Zimmerman, because he helped organize the program for his neighborhood. She told him a neighborhood watch volunteer should act as the "eyes and ears" of the police -- but not like a vigilante.

Here's a copy of the neighborhood watch guide Zimmerman was given by Dorival (PDF). Take special note of pages 7, 13-15.
Guns? Confrontation? "Asking questions"? No.
Observe and report to local police? YES.
 
2013-07-14 05:55:08 PM

TuteTibiImperes: FTA: "He's going to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life," Robert Zimmerman Jr. said during an interview on CNN.

I wonder how he'll react the first time a black guy starts following him around his neighborhood at night.


I bet that black guy gets shot.
 
2013-07-14 05:55:12 PM

seadoo2006: Stile4aly: BudTheSpud: [img845.imageshack.us image 800x672]

The story on the left is factual, the story on the right is editorialized as all hell.  Scott witnessed a crime in progress, confronted the criminals on his front lawn, was charged by one of them and killed his attacker.  Zimmerman saw no crime in progress.  He stalked Martin and left his car to chase him down after being told not to do so by the police.

Those in Zimmerman's corner believe that everything that took place prior to the physical confrontation between Martin and Zimmerman is irrelevant and all that matters is that in the course of a fist fight which Zimmerman was losing, he shot and killed Martin.  The rest of us believe that Zimmerman's actions led directly to the confrontation and his failure to act responsibly led to Martin's death and that he should have to pay for that negligence.

The two cases are not comparable.

Except, in the latter case you mention, "Zimmerman's actions led directly to the confrontation and his failure to act responsibly led to Martin's death," is not applicable, by law. 

Deal with it.


Exactly. He didn't invite Treyvon Martin to beat his ass just by the simple act of following him. Whoever threw the first punch was ultimately at fault for escalating the confrontation.
 
2013-07-14 05:55:14 PM

astouffer: ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.

I'm not stupid enough to follow around "suspicious" youths pretending to be a rent a cop. Zimmerman was in the wrong for starting the confrontation.

Using your logic can I pick a fight with a random person on the street and then shoot them when they start winning the fight. Never mind that I started the fight. Because that is pretty much what happened.


Maybe when you stop making assumptions and objectively look at the trail and evidence you'll begin to get a better picture. Being followed isn't grounds to assualt someone. If you initiate a physical assault your are the aggressor. There is nothing beyond a resonable doubt to suggest Martin wasn't the one who initiated the physical assault. If he had run away and was shot in the back it be a different story. Instead he brought fists to a gun fight. Everyone is to blame but the law is on Zimmermans side get over the butthurt.
 
2013-07-14 05:56:40 PM

Molavian: How much would you care to wager on that?  Clearly I don't know what I'm talking about so it's a safe bet.


Please point out the Florida State Law on self-defense actions that aren't covered on a Stand Your Ground exhoneration, or the criminal court order which granted him civil indemnity under the aformentioned Florida Statute.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

Zimmerman was found not guilty. His shooting was not ruled justified, as well, which is required under state law for non-SYG civil protecton
 
2013-07-14 05:56:42 PM

hardinparamedic: TheHappyCanadian: Trayvon fellators upon hearing verdict:

Someone was exercising their first amendment right to free expression by burning a flag.

Oh dear. Next they'll be smoking pot!


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2013-07-14 05:57:44 PM
HKW - let me put it another way

A member of citizen's crime watch has less authority to stop and ask you anything than the person at K-Mart who checks your receipt as you leave.
 
2013-07-14 05:58:16 PM

haolegirl: iq_in_binary: Carth: iq_in_binary: Carth: Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

yea, there is no evidence those two things every happened.

Yes there is, the teenager on his chest in full mount. That he shot in the chest. Because a TEENAGER was on his chest. IN FULL MOUNT. That's like riding a god damned toy pony and getting bucked off.

He's not threatening enough to provoke violence if he's so pathetic that he had to shoot a teenager after getting on him full mount. He had to be an ankle biter.

His gym trainer pretty much testified to that. He said he was so weak and soft he worried he'd lose when shadow boxing. If you have no physical abilities a gun is a pretty good equalizer.

Then you should definitely keep yourself out of situations where a fight is likely.

Nobody has any sympathy for the useless fark that picks a fight and get his ass kicked.

But EVERYBODY has sympathy for him when he goes biatch mode and shoots the guy he picked a fight with.

But he only confronted Treyvon BECAUSE he had the gun to bolster his self-esteem. If he hadn't had the gun his butt woulda stayed where the 911 operator told him to stay! He was armed so he felt like a bad ass and got out and proceeded to escalate the situation to where he was scared and shot out of fear...


Ugh. I'm probably the only actual politically active RKBA supporter here, on top of being a CCW......either you're trying to be ironic or you have a snail trail following you, either way there are far easier ways. If you can ignore your gag reflex, you can feel free to email me for more details.
 
2013-07-14 05:58:26 PM

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: We all know about HOA's here on Fark. We all now about the HOA Nazi like idiots who get a little power and ruin people's lives. Now they can take lives also.

Farkers,

In what world is it ok to take it upon yourself to see a black kid walking down the street in your HOA neighborhood, go arm yourself with a gun...get a couple of flashlights and go stalk a kid drinking Arizona tea and eating Skittles while walking while black? Zimmerman is a wanna be cop HOA Nazi who stalked and instigated a confrontation and got his ass beat. Zimmerman deserved it. The kid had no deadly weapon and paid with his life.

Tell me how this is justice Zimmerman walks?


Neighbor Watch....where there was a recent spate of break ins committed by blacks....raises suspicion. When Zimmerman loses track of Martin he goes to return to he vehicle where he is jumped...gets punched in his face and his head slammed on the ground. Martin could have continued to his parents house but decided to ambush Zimmerman.

/based on the evidence presented by the defense and prosecution.
 
2013-07-14 05:58:28 PM

TheHappyCanadian: hardinparamedic: TheHappyCanadian: Trayvon fellators upon hearing verdict:

Someone was exercising their first amendment right to free expression by burning a flag.

Oh dear. Next they'll be smoking pot!

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"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
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"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
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Animals.  All of them.
 
2013-07-14 05:59:10 PM

TheHappyCanadian: hardinparamedic: TheHappyCanadian: Trayvon fellators upon hearing verdict:

Someone was exercising their first amendment right to free expression by burning a flag.

Oh dear. Next they'll be smoking pot!

[www.hip-hopvibe.com image 600x440]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
[www.examiner.com image 512x370]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
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First Picture: No.
Second Picture: No.
Third Picture: Eh. It's LAPD. *shrug*
Forth Picture: Yes. First Amendment.
 
2013-07-14 05:59:59 PM

parasol: HKW - let me put it another way

A member of citizen's crime watch has less authority to stop and ask you anything than the person at K-Mart who checks your receipt as you leave.


So, can I beat the K-Mart guy and claim "self-defense" like the Trayvon people are saying?
 
2013-07-14 06:00:54 PM

ferretman: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: We all know about HOA's here on Fark. We all now about the HOA Nazi like idiots who get a little power and ruin people's lives. Now they can take lives also.

Farkers,

In what world is it ok to take it upon yourself to see a black kid walking down the street in your HOA neighborhood, go arm yourself with a gun...get a couple of flashlights and go stalk a kid drinking Arizona tea and eating Skittles while walking while black? Zimmerman is a wanna be cop HOA Nazi who stalked and instigated a confrontation and got his ass beat. Zimmerman deserved it. The kid had no deadly weapon and paid with his life.

Tell me how this is justice Zimmerman walks?

Neighbor Watch....where there was a recent spate of break ins committed by blacks....raises suspicion. When Zimmerman loses track of Martin he goes to return to he vehicle where he is jumped...gets punched in his face and his head slammed on the ground. Martin could have continued to his parents house but decided to ambush Zimmerman.

/based on the evidence presented by the defense and prosecution.


You just pointed out that Zimmerman violated the duties imposed on him by having a HCP and being a member of a neighborhood watch by intervening on a non-violent crime where no one's life was in imminent danger.

It's good we agree on this.
 
2013-07-14 06:01:00 PM

BeatrixK: I wouldn't take Zimmerman's new brand of 'Freedom' for anything in the world.


Yuppo, a life lived in constant fear aint much of a life at all.

phenn: quatchi: I appreciate the fact that the man who stalked a young black man to death (essentially by initiating a series of events that led to an assault and self defense shooting)

So, look at what you've just written. Are you admitting that Trayvon assaulted Zimmerman? Further, are you admitting this is a case of self defense?


I wasn't there. I'm going with how the jury seemed to see it.

For all I know it might have started with words between both men that led to an assault and if so nobody alive on this earth but GM can say for sure who threw the first punch.

Are you saying you know for certain one way or another? Do tell.

Whatever events 'led to an assault', that doesn't excuse the assault now, does it?

Who the fark is excusing any assault?

This is a tragedy around the board and there are NO HEROES here.

Trayvon Martin and George Martin both acted like asshats that night.

A lot of people thought then and think now that Martin as the ostensible adult in this situation should have known better, backed off and de-escalated the situation when advised to do so by Dispatch in order to avoid what eventually occurred.

I'm one of those people.

ununcle: Trademark Martin deserved what he got. Deal with it OJ fans.

/god bless Zimmerman.


Only racist asshats think Zimmerman is any kind of a hero.

*farkies ununcle in troll-grey as "racist asshat"*

Gotta admit, that's the one thing these threads are really, really good for.
 
2013-07-14 06:01:03 PM

Mr. Breeze: What makes you think GZ had the intent to be an executioner, as opposed to committing an act of self defense?


When you carry a gun, you should realize that you can instantly take someone's life with it. If you're not prepared for that kind of responsibility, you shouldn't carry.
When he went to confront Martin, he had his gun with him. The possibility that he may have to use it should have been foremost in his mind, as well as the consequences of that use. If he wasn't thinking about this the gun should have stayed in the truck.

As my gun instructor taught me back in my navy days - "don't point unless you're willing to shoot, and don't shoot unless you're willing to kill".
 
2013-07-14 06:01:34 PM
ferretman:
Neighbor Watch....where there was a recent spate of break ins committed by blacks....raises suspicion. When Zimmerman loses track of Martin he goes to return to he vehicle where he is jumped...gets punched in his face and his head slammed on the ground. Martin could have continued to his parents house but decided to ambush Zimmerman.
/based on the evidence presented by the defense and prosecution.


please try to include the part of the narrative that Mr Zimmerman himself gave - and was in evidence - after losing track of TM - but before returning to his truck - GZ walked down the dog path in order to find an address.

carry on
 
2013-07-14 06:02:29 PM

quatchi: Who the fark is excusing any assault?

This is a tragedy around the board and there are NO HEROES here.

Trayvon Martin and George Martin both acted like asshats that night.


Fair enough. I read you wrong.
 
2013-07-14 06:02:34 PM

seadoo2006: parasol: HKW - let me put it another way

A member of citizen's crime watch has less authority to stop and ask you anything than the person at K-Mart who checks your receipt as you leave.

So, can I beat the K-Mart guy and claim "self-defense" like the Trayvon people are saying?


If you could get him off camera and somehow prove that he was somehow a threat to your life.. then sure.
 
2013-07-14 06:02:47 PM

rewind2846: Mr. Breeze: What makes you think GZ had the intent to be an executioner, as opposed to committing an act of self defense?

When you carry a gun, you should realize that you can instantly take someone's life with it. If you're not prepared for that kind of responsibility, you shouldn't carry.
When he went to confront Martin, he had his gun with him. The possibility that he may have to use it should have been foremost in his mind, as well as the consequences of that use. If he wasn't thinking about this the gun should have stayed in the truck.

As my gun instructor taught me back in my navy days - "don't point unless you're willing to shoot, and don't shoot unless you're willing to kill".


Wish I had your instructors.

Took me quite a bit to develop that mentality.

Luckily I didn't kill anyone :-/
 
2013-07-14 06:03:01 PM

Carth: I've never seen a law that says you can hit someone for being afraid of them


The Florida self defense statute states, "A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another...

Fear. That's the standard. You can attack someone if you are afraid they will harm you.

Link
 
2013-07-14 06:03:29 PM

quatchi: Who the fark is excusing any assault?

This is a tragedy around the board and there are NO HEROES here.

Trayvon Martin and George Martin both acted like asshats that night.


This.
 
2013-07-14 06:03:49 PM
seadoo: So, can I beat the K-Mart guy and claim "self-defense" like the Trayvon people are saying?

I guess you could but, why? You might want to take security cameras into account if you do
 
2013-07-14 06:04:05 PM

clowncar on fire: seadoo2006: parasol: HKW - let me put it another way

A member of citizen's crime watch has less authority to stop and ask you anything than the person at K-Mart who checks your receipt as you leave.

So, can I beat the K-Mart guy and claim "self-defense" like the Trayvon people are saying?

If you could get him off camera and somehow prove that he was somehow a threat to your life.. then sure.


Ah, so essentially everything the Trayvon people cannot do?
 
2013-07-14 06:04:44 PM

hardinparamedic: TheHappyCanadian: hardinparamedic: TheHappyCanadian: Trayvon fellators upon hearing verdict:

Someone was exercising their first amendment right to free expression by burning a flag.

Oh dear. Next they'll be smoking pot!

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"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
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"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
[i43.tinypic.com image 850x635]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
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"FIRST AMENDMENT!"

First Picture: No.
Second Picture: No.
Third Picture: Eh. It's LAPD. *shrug*
Forth Picture: Yes. First Amendment.


I dunno. Literally soliciting a riot is a pretty hard thing to justify via the 1st amendment.
 
2013-07-14 06:05:08 PM
Funny, but this headline is pretty much exactly what I said in the main thread.  He basically has to pay his way into a rich, gated, well-secured community and hide in there.  He can't just move to an all-white neighborhood because he'd be labeled Hispanic immediately.  He can never enjoy vacations, he can never get lost in the wrong neighborhood, he can never walk to get anything because he'll see shadows following him.  He'll eventually lose sleep over it, obsessing over the idea that everyone's out to get him, and end up dying miserable.  Which, I'm sure, will please most everyone who wanted him to get executed for what he did.

\me? Kinda surprised he survived the early hiccups in his case to get out of it.
\\I'll never bother finding out if I need to believe one way or the other because I really don't care about him
\\\just a dumbass racist who lucked out & did this in the craziest state in the country
 
2013-07-14 06:06:18 PM

quatchi: Trayvon Martin and George Martin both acted like asshats that night.


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2013-07-14 06:06:38 PM

rewind2846: Mr. Breeze: What makes you think GZ had the intent to be an executioner, as opposed to committing an act of self defense?

When you carry a gun, you should realize that you can instantly take someone's life with it. If you're not prepared for that kind of responsibility, you shouldn't carry.
When he went to confront Martin, he had his gun with him. The possibility that he may have to use it should have been foremost in his mind, as well as the consequences of that use. If he wasn't thinking about this the gun should have stayed in the truck.

As my gun instructor taught me back in my navy days - "don't point unless you're willing to shoot, and don't shoot unless you're willing to kill".


Possibility and intent are two different things. I'd almost guarantee that when he started following TM, he wasn't planning on using his weapon. Things change when you are on your back and someone is beating the crap out of you. If he would have left the gun in his truck, he might have been the one killed that night.

Who knows...
 
2013-07-14 06:07:36 PM
seadoo: So, can I beat the K-Mart guy and claim "self-defense" like the Trayvon people are saying?

If you could get him off camera and somehow prove that he was somehow a threat to your life.. then sure.


Ah, so essentially everything the Trayvon people cannot do?


I'm not entirely sure who you mean by "Trayvon people" (it sounds a bit like "these assholes" imo) but, as the trial is over, isn't it about time to stop being so transparently divisive about this?
 
2013-07-14 06:08:57 PM
Oh, I don't think Zimmerman has much to be afraid of. America has a very short attention span and next week, people will be outraged over some other perceived injustice, be it real or fabricated. In the near term however, I would suggest he disguise his appearance a little. Maybe go with a hat and those big ugly hipster glasses. And don't wander into black any black communities.
 
2013-07-14 06:09:02 PM

hardinparamedic: TheHappyCanadian: hardinparamedic: TheHappyCanadian: Trayvon fellators upon hearing verdict:

Someone was exercising their first amendment right to free expression by burning a flag.

Oh dear. Next they'll be smoking pot!

[www.hip-hopvibe.com image 600x440]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
[www.examiner.com image 512x370]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
[i43.tinypic.com image 850x635]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"
[www.thegatewaypundit.com image 785x488]
"FIRST AMENDMENT!"

First Picture: No.
Second Picture: No.
Third Picture: Eh. It's LAPD. *shrug*
Forth Picture: Yes. First Amendment.


"Thas reel retodded suh"
 
2013-07-14 06:09:05 PM
God-is-a-Taco
2013-07-14 05:27:14 PM


rewind2846:
As I told another poster, this isn't about guns, this isn't about "legal rights", this is about a pussy-assed cop reject Batman wannbe who found it too difficult to accept the suggestion of a police dispatcher and wait for trained and sworn law enforcement to arrive. This is about a stupid person who acted stupidly. That stupidity cost Trayvon Martin his life, and I have no problem with Zimmerman having to watch out for his own life until his dying day.

Please tell me you're trolling. Please.

He's not.

Liberals really are that stupid.
 
2013-07-14 06:09:20 PM
Once again... the angry Justice 4 Trayvon crowd seems to be out in full force, letting loose with insults and disinformation, now that this isn't a thread discussing actual trial developments and evidence in real time. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.
 
2013-07-14 06:10:04 PM
Zimmerman is constantly under threat his life is in danger, therefore under Florida's Stand Your Ground law he can kill anybody he wants whenever he wants
 
2013-07-14 06:10:06 PM

MorePeasPlease: quatchi: Trayvon Martin and George Martin both acted like asshats that night.

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Well, he DID drop the Red Wedding on us...
 
2013-07-14 06:10:14 PM

FriarReb98: Funny, but this headline is pretty much exactly what I said in the main thread.  He basically has to pay his way into a rich, gated, well-secured community and hide in there.  He can't just move to an all-white neighborhood because he'd be labeled Hispanic immediately.  He can never enjoy vacations, he can never get lost in the wrong neighborhood, he can never walk to get anything because he'll see shadows following him.  He'll eventually lose sleep over it, obsessing over the idea that everyone's out to get him, and end up dying miserable.  Which, I'm sure, will please most everyone who wanted him to get executed for what he did.

\me? Kinda surprised he survived the early hiccups in his case to get out of it.
\\I'll never bother finding out if I need to believe one way or the other because I really don't care about him
\\\just a dumbass racist who lucked out & did this in the craziest state in the country


I like how everyone automatically assumes he's racist.

GZ could easily move to some backwater place in Arizona or New Mexico and live out the rest of his life without any fear of retaliation as long as he keeps his head low.
 
2013-07-14 06:10:20 PM

iq_in_binary: ferretman: Wow...the stupid is out on a Sunday. The inability for some of you to actually review the evidence is astounding. Hopefully if you ever have someone beating the shiat out of you and smashing your head into the sidewalk you won't bother protecting your life if you have the ability.
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The fact that he had an unarmed teenager on top of him in full mount means that he had absolutely no business carrying the gun he used to kill Trayvon.

Sorry dude, you ended up with a farking teenager on top of you in a FULL MOUNT.

You clearly bit off more than you could chew. And you clearly tried biting something off. You should not be carrying a gun.


So much this. George is a sheep that desperatley wanted to be a wolf. The funny thing being he will spend the rest of his life being as timid as a lamb.
 
2013-07-14 06:10:44 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: SevenizGud: Here is Trayvon Martin in his natural habitat, displaying his normal philosophy towards others. In short, his philosophy is fark YOU. And he's saying it to YOU. fark YOU. YOU! fark YOU!

Now please...apologize for him. Go on...you know you can do it. Apologize for the little drug-addled, tattooed, fark you-gesturing thug. Do it. You know you can't keep from apologizing for him. Apologize for him. Do it! Do it now!

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easy, the kid was carrying only skittles and iced tea Arizona watermelon juice, he was doing nothing illegal when Zimmerman decided to follow him resulting in the altercation.  he was no alter boy but he didn't deserve to die.

 
2013-07-14 06:10:45 PM

parasol: seadoo: So, can I beat the K-Mart guy and claim "self-defense" like the Trayvon people are saying?

If you could get him off camera and somehow prove that he was somehow a threat to your life.. then sure.

Ah, so essentially everything the Trayvon people cannot do?


I'm not entirely sure who you mean by "Trayvon people" (it sounds a bit like "these assholes" imo) but, as the trial is over, isn't it about time to stop being so transparently divisive about this?


The "transparently divisive" people are the flood of uninformed racist asshats slamming every Trayvon thread with demonstrably false garbage.

If everyone followed the trial and argued facts, we'd have one thread about this and there would be one post. It would be Grumpy Cat's "Good" photo.
 
2013-07-14 06:10:49 PM

FriarReb98: Funny, but this headline is pretty much exactly what I said in the main thread.  He basically has to pay his way into a rich, gated, well-secured community and hide in there.  He can't just move to an all-white neighborhood because he'd be labeled Hispanic immediately.  He can never enjoy vacations, he can never get lost in the wrong neighborhood, he can never walk to get anything because he'll see shadows following him.  He'll eventually lose sleep over it, obsessing over the idea that everyone's out to get him, and end up dying miserable.  Which, I'm sure, will please most everyone who wanted him to get executed for what he did.

\me? Kinda surprised he survived the early hiccups in his case to get out of it.
\\I'll never bother finding out if I need to believe one way or the other because I really don't care about him
\\\just a dumbass racist who lucked out & did this in the craziest state in the country


Your tears are delicious. As are all vindictive liberal tears right now. Nancy Grace is on suicide watch as we speak. By all means, please proceed.
 
2013-07-14 06:11:05 PM

seadoo2006: Ah, so essentially everything the Trayvon people

BOTH SIDES IN THIScannot do?

Fixed that for you.

Stop pretending like there is a hero or villain in this whole fiasco. Both of them are to blame for the outcome of this.
 
2013-07-14 06:12:47 PM

BudTheSpud: Your tears are delicious. As are all vindictive liberal tears right now. Nancy Grace is on suicide watch as we speak. By all means, please proceed.


One person is dead. Another person's life is completely ruined. Two families have become public spectacles.

But really. All you care about is that the people on the other side of the political isle are upset about it.

You are exactly what is wrong with American Politics right now.
 
2013-07-14 06:13:25 PM

Carth: iq_in_binary: Carth: Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

yea, there is no evidence those two things every happened.

Yes there is, the teenager on his chest in full mount. That he shot in the chest. Because a TEENAGER was on his chest. IN FULL MOUNT. That's like riding a god damned toy pony and getting bucked off.

He's not threatening enough to provoke violence if he's so pathetic that he had to shoot a teenager after getting on him full mount. He had to be an ankle biter.

His gym trainer pretty much testified to that. He said he was so weak and soft he worried he'd lose when shadow boxing. If you have no physical abilities a gun is a pretty good equalizer.


If you are that weak then following strangers in the night is not the hobby for you. If you are that weak then carrying a gun is not for you. A weak and frightend person with a firearm is a danger to themselves and others.
as this case proves.
 
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