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2013-07-14 05:16:10 PM  

HKW: oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!

Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.


FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?
 
2013-07-14 05:17:37 PM  

SevenizGud: Here is Trayvon Martin in his natural habitat, displaying his normal philosophy towards others. In short, his philosophy is fark YOU. And he's saying it to YOU. fark YOU. YOU! fark YOU!

Now please...apologize for him. Go on...you know you can do it. Apologize for the little drug-addled, tattooed, fark you-gesturing thug. Do it. You know you can't keep from apologizing for him. Apologize for him. Do it! Do it now!

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QFT
 
2013-07-14 05:17:41 PM  

oregon fubaralas: HKW: oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!

Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.

FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?


Oh, come now. That's all he did. Just walked home from the candy store. He did absolutely nothing else?
 
2013-07-14 05:18:18 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: I for one am sick of the Martin "supporters". They're the type of people who are always actively looking to cry "racism" at every opportunity. Sheesh. Give it a farkin' break, man!


I'm not a Travon supporter. However, I support the fact that someone who walks into a situation of his own making and then shoots someone else "in self defense" even less.
Ask yourself: other than taking a shortcut through the wrong neighborhood, was he actually doing something suspicious or wrongful?  Should Zimmerman have followed a stranger who was walking alone at night?  Was there any suspicious activity that led up to calling the police or following his conversation with the police that required he leave his truck to confront Martin?

Point is: unless the kid was actually engaged in suspicious activity- ie peeking in car windows and checking locks, stopping at various homes to take notes, shaking up a can of spray paint even- there is little reason to contact police, let alone confront.

Recent activity in my neighborhood involved a teen stumbling about in front of my home and then finally peering in my lower window.  I was a bit pissed but rational believing him to be one of the guests across the street who heard my daughter talking in the room and thought he'd have a peek..  I asked him if he lost something.  The terrified teen quickly backed off apologizing about "trespassing" on my lawn.  Somewhere in the babbling, he mentioned a guest that that was visiting my daughter had said she had invited him.  I yelled after him if he knew our guest that he was welcome to speak with them but he was too scared and ran off.

I commend the kid for keeping his distance and his recognition that poking around in other people's property is suspicious- adults have become so unreliable these days-- regret that kids can't just be smart enough to make harmless requests rather then being sneaky about things.  Had they have done so, the boy was welcome to hang out on the back deck and chat (we don't let our kids or their guest wander around the neighborhood after midnight.
 
2013-07-14 05:18:30 PM  

oregon fubaralas: FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?


I heard a report that he was actually walking home from the local homeless shelter after 18 hours of volunteer work.
 
2013-07-14 05:18:56 PM  

phenn: oregon fubaralas: HKW: oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!

Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.

FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?

Oh, come now. That's all he did. Just walked home from the candy store. He did absolutely nothing else?


Apparently, he took a nap in some wet grass.
 
2013-07-14 05:19:33 PM  

legion_of_doo: DoomPaul: He was found not guilty, so leave it be. I cannot see why those who criticized Zimmerman for being a vigilante would approve of vigilante justice being applied to him. He can walk in public and while people may not like him, they cannot legally attack him. If they do, he can defend himself with up to lethal force if necessary.

Maybe not, but this thread has plenty of them who think vigilante justice should be applied to GZ.



Speaking only for myself I would have been happy were Zimmerman found guilty, but he wasn't. I think that if I want to consider myself a decent human being, the only thing I can do is wish him peace. If I think vigilante "justice" has no place in civilized society, which I do, I can't cheer would-be vigilantes wishing to harm Zimmerman, and I don't.

We also have in this thread people saying things like "I hope somebody goes after him and he busts a few more caps in self defense", I guess because hooray for killing, ending another human life really sounds like awesome fun or something, to that twit's mind apparently.

If you're looking for a self-indulgent Team-Zimmerman-good-team-Martin-bad narrative to entertain yourself with, or its opposite, go right ahead if you wish, but I really think it's never, ever quite that cut and dried.
 
2013-07-14 05:19:52 PM  

clowncar on fire: MelGoesOnTour: I for one am sick of the Martin "supporters". They're the type of people who are always actively looking to cry "racism" at every opportunity. Sheesh. Give it a farkin' break, man!

I'm not a Travon supporter. However, I support the fact that someone who walks into a situation of his own making and then shoots someone else "in self defense" even less.
Ask yourself: other than taking a shortcut through the wrong neighborhood, was he actually doing something suspicious or wrongful?  Should Zimmerman have followed a stranger who was walking alone at night?  Was there any suspicious activity that led up to calling the police or following his conversation with the police that required he leave his truck to confront Martin?

Point is: unless the kid was actually engaged in suspicious activity- ie peeking in car windows and checking locks, stopping at various homes to take notes, shaking up a can of spray paint even- there is little reason to contact police, let alone confront.

Recent activity in my neighborhood involved a teen stumbling about in front of my home and then finally peering in my lower window.  I was a bit pissed but rational believing him to be one of the guests across the street who heard my daughter talking in the room and thought he'd have a peek..  I asked him if he lost something.  The terrified teen quickly backed off apologizing about "trespassing" on my lawn.  Somewhere in the babbling, he mentioned a guest that that was visiting my daughter had said she had invited him.  I yelled after him if he knew our guest that he was welcome to speak with them but he was too scared and ran off.

I commend the kid for keeping his distance and his recognition that poking around in other people's property is suspicious- adults have become so unreliable these days-- regret that kids can't just be smart enough to make harmless requests rather then being sneaky about things.  Had they have done so, the boy was welcome to hang out on the back deck and ...


Zimmerman says exactly what he found suspicious about him during the 911 call and in his statements read at court. Did you listen to the trial at all?
 
2013-07-14 05:20:31 PM  
Well as long as they get the first shot in, somewhere nice and dark with no witnesses, they should be all good right?
 
2013-07-14 05:20:52 PM  
Martin got what he deserved. I hope none of you racists ever have to defend yourselves.
 
2013-07-14 05:22:03 PM  

phenn: oregon fubaralas: HKW: oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!

Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.

FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?

Oh, come now. That's all he did. Just walked home from the candy store. He did absolutely nothing else?


He tried to protect himself from an assailant, also not a reason to be shot.
 
2013-07-14 05:22:52 PM  

phenn: oregon fubaralas: HKW: oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!

Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.

FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?

Oh, come now. That's all he did. Just walked home from the candy store. He did absolutely nothing else?


That may  have been all he was trying to do until Zimmerman got in the picture.
 
2013-07-14 05:22:58 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: oregon fubaralas: FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?

I heard a report that he was actually walking home from the local homeless shelter after 18 hours of volunteer work.

And that he had donated blood before rescuing Mrs Abernathy's cat from a tree.
 
2013-07-14 05:22:59 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: I don't trust a 29 year old who looks 45 and thinks he's the neighborhood rentacop.


He's only 29?!
 
2013-07-14 05:23:09 PM  
I don't know the real odds of anyone "getting even" with GZ but, if i were him, i'd be very nice to my wife - she has a plausible alibi if she ever feels the need -

"I LOVED him! I don't know WHAT happened - I just found him like this - you know? he made so many enemies, there were so many threats......"
 
2013-07-14 05:23:33 PM  

rewind2846: The point, you missed it. This isn't about "guns" genius, it's about someone who wanted to be a cop so badly that he chose to run around in the middle of the night like the motherfarking Batman.

You want to make it about guns, go right ahead, all you gun nuts do. That's your fetish, not mine.


Oh really?

rewind2846: If he's that much of a pussy-boy that he thinks he needs a gun on him all the time, them maybe he shouldn't be running around in the middle of the night purposely f*cking with people. Stay your cowardly pussy ass home.


You were the one that originally made it about guns, sport. Looks like it really is your fetish at work here. Nice try moving the goalposts, though, it's just too bad your words are there for everyone to see.

rewind2846: This wasn't the case here... it was about some pussy ass who chose to do what he had no business doing, what he had been advised not to do by the police dispatcher, even if he had been armed with only a paper clip and a rubber band. Even if you have a gun a responsible gun owner DOES NOT INSTIGATE OR CONFRONT, because any gun owner with two working brain cells realizes the deadly potential of the object they are carrying.


The proof that Zimmerman started the confrontation is lacking. In fact, all of the evidence points to the contrary. Rachel Jeantel testified that: Martin was in his father's backyard at one point in their conversation, yet somehow the confrontation started almost 300 yards to the north at the intersection of the "T"; that Martin spoke to Zimmerman first. Not to mention those little things like physical injuries - you know, the fact that Martin didn't have a mark on him other than the gunshot and the abraded knuckles from where he was hitting Zimmernan, and the witness that definitively stated that Martin was on top of Zimmerman "ground and pound" style while Zimmerman was yelling for help.

Show me the evidence that Zimmerman was doing anything other than observing Martin, in a public space where Zimmerman had every right to be observing whoever he wanted to observe.

rewind2846: If you are a pussy ass you do not instigate contact or confront people. You wait your ass in the truck until the police you just called show up.


And now seem to be walking back your claim that if Zimmerman owns a gun and wants to carry it, he should never leave his house. Now you're claiming that if Zimmerman owns a gun and carries it, he should never be able to leave his vehicle.

That's..... really rational of you, let me tell you.

/you can call him a "pussy ass cracker" if you want too, no need to keep stopping short
//it's been established by the Fark community that "cracker" is not a racist term, so it is ok to use it.
 
2013-07-14 05:23:43 PM  

This About That: I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet.


You obviously haven't heard of the book deals the Martin Family already made before the trial even started.
 
2013-07-14 05:24:20 PM  

clowncar on fire: Recent activity in my neighborhood involved a teen stumbling about in front of my home and then finally peering in my lower window.  I was a bit pissed but rational believing him to be one of the guests across the street who heard my daughter talking in the room and thought he'd have a peek..  I asked him if he lost something.  The terrified teen quickly backed off apologizing about "trespassing" on my lawn.  Somewhere in the babbling, he mentioned a guest that that was visiting my daughter had said she had invited him.  I yelled after him if he knew our guest that he was welcome to speak with them but he was too scared and ran off.


Wait, your daughter had a whole bunch of strange guys sneaking into the house, and you're taking credit for NOT shooting this teenager?
 
2013-07-14 05:24:35 PM  

rewind2846: DoomPaul: He has the legal right to carry a firearm. If that is a problem to you, seek for the law to be changed.

As I told another poster, this isn't about guns, this isn't about "legal rights", this is about a pussy-assed cop reject Batman wannbe who found it too difficult to accept the suggestion of a police dispatcher and wait for trained and sworn law enforcement to arrive. This is about a stupid person who acted stupidly. That stupidity cost Trayvon Martin his life, and I have no problem with Zimmerman having to watch out for his own life until his dying day.


But GZ was waiting in his car when this took place;
2:08 Dispatcher: He's running?  Which way is he running?
2:10 (door opens, sound of door alarm)
2:10 Zimmerman: Ah, down towards the, ah, other entrance of the neighborhood.
2:14 (door closes)
2:14 Dispatcher: OK.  Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?
2:17 Zimmerman; The back entrance.
2:23 Dispatcher: Are you following him?
2:25 Zimmerman: Yeah.
2:26 Dispatcher: OK, we don't need you to do that.
2:28 Zimmerman: OK.


at this point GZ started walking back to his truck (according to testimony) when he was confronted by TM, sucker punched, and had his head pounded into the ground.

Why do people keep missing that part?
 
2013-07-14 05:24:42 PM  
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lol Oakland
 
2013-07-14 05:25:25 PM  
My ignore list is full :(
 
2013-07-14 05:25:27 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: oregon fubaralas: FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?

I heard a report that he was actually walking home from the local homeless shelter after 18 hours of volunteer work.


My sister knows the bus driver that Treyvon punched. She said he was a real dick and wouldn't take a transfer even like 10 minutes after it expired.
 
2013-07-14 05:25:43 PM  

rewind2846: DoomPaul: He has the legal right to carry a firearm. If that is a problem to you, seek for the law to be changed.

As I told another poster, this isn't about guns, this isn't about "legal rights", this is about a pussy-assed cop reject Batman wannbe who found it too difficult to accept the suggestion of a police dispatcher and wait for trained and sworn law enforcement to arrive. This is about a stupid person who acted stupidly. That stupidity cost Trayvon Martin his life, and I have no problem with Zimmerman having to watch out for his own life until his dying day.


He has a legal right to walk in his neighborhood and ask someone a question.
 
2013-07-14 05:25:43 PM  

Carth: iq_in_binary: Carth: iq_in_binary: Carth: Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

yea, there is no evidence those two things every happened.

Yes there is, the teenager on his chest in full mount. That he shot in the chest. Because a TEENAGER was on his chest. IN FULL MOUNT. That's like riding a god damned toy pony and getting bucked off.

He's not threatening enough to provoke violence if he's so pathetic that he had to shoot a teenager after getting on him full mount. He had to be an ankle biter.

His gym trainer pretty much testified to that. He said he was so weak and soft he worried he'd lose when shadow boxing. If you have no physical abilities a gun is a pretty good equalizer.

Then you should definitely keep yourself out of situations where a fight is likely.

Nobody has any sympathy for the useless fark that picks a fight and get his ass kicked.

But EVERYBODY has sympathy for him when he goes biatch mode and shoots the guy he picked a fight with.

The jury reviewed the evidence and concluded there wasn't proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he started fight. That's not to say Martin did but there is no way to be sure. Would you really be ok with sending someone to jail for 30 years for something no one can prove?

It is fine to think Zimmerman is an idiot or a wimp (which i would say there is plenty of evidence for) but there is no evidence anything he did that night was illegal


He pursued. Yes I would be fine with it. I go to jail for it? He gets to too.

I have a little bit of a skewed view because of my old job, but I ALSO have a far wider view from a self defense point of view both because of the breadth given me in situations because of my old job AND the fact that my old job was finding evidence for people in criminal cases. Yeah, it's a weird view but I changed my personal defense procedure because of it specifically to err on the side of people generally being ok. When I first started? Yeah I would have put myself in jail knowing what I know now. I will admit that openly, but I changed. I went from Fight to Flight. The bottom line is, you lose all farking credibility when you do anything but either try to get the fark away, or preempt the assault. Get the fark away first. Zimmerman went looking for a damned fight. I NEVER did that. I didn't avoid them at first, but I NEVER went looking for it. And finding trouble and putting myself in the middle of it without a badge was my god damned job.

To the core this is a huge issue for libertarians, and to the core I am a libertarian, not the religious dominionist type that loves either of the Pauls or the idiot types that see Atlas Shrugged as gospel, an actual libertarian. And one of the cores of that belief is live and let live, you do your thing, I'll do mine, if those things start to clash, let one or the other get away. I can trail people as my old job entails without them ever even realizing I'm there, or at the very least I'm not going to make them feel threatened by getting in their personal space. Zimmerman went looking for the fight by both tailing in an obvious manner and getting in Martin's space. He instigated. For me that's a big no no, yeah, some of that is because I was bullied as a kid, but it also resulted in me deciding that GETTING THE fark AWAY or at least attempting to was important to justifying self defense. Guess what, alot of people benefit from that and still do.

It's very much a basic and irreconcilable difference for many self defense experts and me, but there it is. Most of the sage ones I know on the subject were military, usually in the service department. We'll never agree, but a few of them know where I'm coming from, and a few have repeated the doc's suggestion that I write a book. But I do the very damndest that I can to make sure that the fourth stage (preemptive offense) is after making it very obvious that pursuing me was both a bad idea and something that I DID NOT WANT. I'm giving you every god damned hint that I can that I do not want to be in arm's reach of you, pay attention to--ooops you just got ran over by a truck, never mind.

Yeah, I'm farked up, but you'll not see me feeling an ounce of guilt for any violence I partake in. Zimmerman? I dunno, what do you think would have happened to him if it was me he chased around the apartment complex?
 
2013-07-14 05:25:58 PM  

oregon fubaralas: phenn: oregon fubaralas: HKW: oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!

Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.

FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?

Oh, come now. That's all he did. Just walked home from the candy store. He did absolutely nothing else?

He tried to protect himself from an assailant, also not a reason to be shot.


That word, it does not mean what you think it means. Unless you have evidence the state didn't that Zimmerman started the fight.
 
2013-07-14 05:26:10 PM  

Molavian: LMAO. Zimmerman will sue Martin's family and take their sweet HOA settlement away. Then Zimmerman will start working on the list of people he can sue, and he'll make money off of every single one of them. Hell, if I was Zim, I'd demand 50% of the profits on Trayvon-related merchandise, and a seat on the non-profit's board with a salary.

No one can touch Zimmerman over Martin's death.


To think that family got 2 million from the HOA. Every time I saw them at the trial that's what was in my head. The fact they lawyer-ed up and settled business before their sons so called murderer was even convicted shows where their hearts were.
 
2013-07-14 05:26:12 PM  
There is no evidence of who started the fight. But the only reason those two ever met was because Zimmerman made it happen.
 
2013-07-14 05:27:04 PM  
Oh look another Fark headline bashing Zimmerman. Am I the only Farker getting extremely tired of the one sided views that seem to be getting greenlighted? keep it up mods and pretty soon you won't have to worry about these heated discussions after people like me just get fed up with it and seek this type of entertainment on a different site.
 
2013-07-14 05:27:14 PM  
rewind2846:
As I told another poster, this isn't about guns, this isn't about "legal rights", this is about a pussy-assed cop reject Batman wannbe who found it too difficult to accept the suggestion of a police dispatcher and wait for trained and sworn law enforcement to arrive. This is about a stupid person who acted stupidly. That stupidity cost Trayvon Martin his life, and I have no problem with Zimmerman having to watch out for his own life until his dying day.

Please tell me you're trolling. Please.
 
HKW
2013-07-14 05:28:12 PM  

heavymetal: This About That: I hear he has made quite a tidy profit, with at least one book deal to come. On the other hand, the civil suits haven't even started yet.

That is what I am thinking. Trayon Martin's family will sue Zimmerman, win, and Zimmerman will basically be Trayvon Martin's family's indentured servant for the rest of his life. If someone doesn't kill Zimmerman, he will probably "off" himself within 5 years because of being hated and broke.


And you set yourself up to be butthurt again.
It was self defense when the cops arrived, but you chose to believe the sesationalizism generated by the media
Knuckleheads, like you, having knee-jerk reactions resulted in the trumped up political arrest of an innocent man and a waste of tax money prosecuting a dead case to appease you morons. What you only accomplished was to set youselves up for a butthurt when he was aquitted.

Now, your frothing at the mouth on the 'hopes' hes going to be driven into poverty with a civil suit. Keep dreaming moron.
 
2013-07-14 05:28:59 PM  

Iowan73: There is no evidence of who started the fight. But the only reason those two ever met was because Zimmerman made it happen.


So? Was that illegal?
 
2013-07-14 05:29:44 PM  

Carth: oregon fubaralas: phenn: oregon fubaralas: HKW: oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!

Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.

FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?

Oh, come now. That's all he did. Just walked home from the candy store. He did absolutely nothing else?

He tried to protect himself from an assailant, also not a reason to be shot.

That word, it does not mean what you think it means. Unless you have evidence the state didn't that Zimmerman started the fight.


He started it by following him. To assail does not legally require physical contact. It can be the fear of being assaulted as well. Look it up.
 
2013-07-14 05:30:02 PM  

phenn: iq_in_binary: Yeah, like I said, not somebody I want walking around with a gun

That is your problem. Not his.


As someone who CARRIES a gun, I get to have on opinion.

This isn't the birth control debate, and I'm not a woman, your points are utterly moot.
 
2013-07-14 05:30:10 PM  
Those f@#4ers always get away with it.
 
2013-07-14 05:30:20 PM  

Carth: clowncar on fire: MelGoesOnTour: I for one am sick of the Martin "supporters". They're the type of people who are always actively looking to cry "racism" at every opportunity. Sheesh. Give it a farkin' break, man!

I'm not a Travon supporter. However, I support the fact that someone who walks into a situation of his own making and then shoots someone else "in self defense" even less...

I commend the kid for keeping his distance and his recognition that poking around in other people's property is suspicious- adults have become so unreliable these days-- regret that kids can't just be smart enough to make harmless requests rather then being sneaky about things.  Had they have done so, the boy was welcome to hang out on ...


Zimmerman says exactly what he found suspicious about him during the 911 call and in his statements read at court. Did you listen to the trial at all?

I'm freakin' middle class peasant.  I work.  Who has time for that tripe.  I rely strictly on Fark when I want to know what really happened.  So what exactly did Zimmerman find so "suspicion worthy" that he needed confront after being told to stand down?
 
2013-07-14 05:30:33 PM  

FarkingReading: whistleridge: Oldiron_79: Ambivalence: Well, he should definitely consider moving away from Florida.

THIS

Far away.

Maybe to some sort of walled compound someplace, where the denizens are heavily armed, and like minded? Say in Montana?

I'm sure they wouldn't hold his not being white against him, right?

He is white. He's a white Latino. Latino is an ethnicity, not a race.

Latinos can be white, black, Asian, etc.


To you and me, maybe. To white-power types, I doubt that distinction carries much weight...
 
2013-07-14 05:30:49 PM  
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2013-07-14 05:30:56 PM  

iq_in_binary: Carth: iq_in_binary: Carth: iq_in_binary: Carth: Benevolent Misanthrope: I wonder what would happen if he made the mistake of walking at night, and someone else took a gun, called the cops, followed him against police instruction, picked a fight, got their ass kicked, and shot him.

Not that it would happen - Zimmerman, despite his self-perception, could never kick anyone's ass.

yea, there is no evidence those two things every happened.

Yes there is, the teenager on his chest in full mount. That he shot in the chest. Because a TEENAGER was on his chest. IN FULL MOUNT. That's like riding a god damned toy pony and getting bucked off.

He's not threatening enough to provoke violence if he's so pathetic that he had to shoot a teenager after getting on him full mount. He had to be an ankle biter.

His gym trainer pretty much testified to that. He said he was so weak and soft he worried he'd lose when shadow boxing. If you have no physical abilities a gun is a pretty good equalizer.

Then you should definitely keep yourself out of situations where a fight is likely.

Nobody has any sympathy for the useless fark that picks a fight and get his ass kicked.

But EVERYBODY has sympathy for him when he goes biatch mode and shoots the guy he picked a fight with.

The jury reviewed the evidence and concluded there wasn't proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he started fight. That's not to say Martin did but there is no way to be sure. Would you really be ok with sending someone to jail for 30 years for something no one can prove?

It is fine to think Zimmerman is an idiot or a wimp (which i would say there is plenty of evidence for) but there is no evidence anything he did that night was illegal

He pursued. Yes I would be fine with it. I go to jail for it? He gets to too.

I have a little bit of a skewed view because of my old job, but I ALSO have a far wider view from a self defense point of view both because of the breadth given me in situations because of my old job AND the ...


I asked you last night but had to go to bed. Did you ever find a law in FL that makes it illegal to follow someone? When the judge asked the persecutors for one they weren't able to find any. In fact when they wanted to charge Zimmerman for third degree murder the only other felony they could attach to it was "child abuse". If there was felony following I"m sure they would have gone with that instead.

As someone who spent 3 years working at the Cato Institute I'm pretty well away on L/libertarians feelings on self defense and the case in general.

I think it was stupid for Zimmerman to follow Martin (especially  if he thought martin was dangerous) but I don't think people should be put in jail for doing stupid but legal things.
 
2013-07-14 05:31:42 PM  

Molavian: No one can touch Zimmerman over Martin's death.


Uh, you do realize the fact that Zimmerman didn't use a SYG defense means he is civilly liable in a wrongful death suit, right?
 
2013-07-14 05:32:09 PM  

iq_in_binary: phenn: iq_in_binary: Yeah, like I said, not somebody I want walking around with a gun

That is your problem. Not his.

As someone who CARRIES a gun, I get to have on opinion.

This isn't the birth control debate, and I'm not a woman, your points are utterly moot.


I think you're really off your rocker, son. Sure, you may have an opinion. But, that is about it. I also carry a gun. If you don't like the looks of me or something about a teenager in FULL MOUNT, blah, blah, blah - I shouldn't own a gun?

And just how the fark did you weave birth control into it?

Rocker. Get back on it.
 
2013-07-14 05:32:29 PM  

Iowan73: There is no evidence of who started the fight. But the only reason those two ever met was because Zimmerman made it happen.


Someone walks through a "bad" neighborhood, leaves their front door unlocked, or passes out drunk. None of these excuse someone attacking, robbing, or raping the person even though they could have avoided it. A legal action does not warrant an illegal response. I wouldn't be fond of someone following me asking me what am I doing here, but that is not illegal nor does it warrant me getting physical with them.
 
2013-07-14 05:33:06 PM  

sheep snorter: Florida jurys are so lame when the main evidence was Zimmerman leaving his vehicle when told not too(automatically invalidates any 'stand your ground' law for Zimmerman and gives 'stand your ground' to the kid.
Zimmerman at least should of gotten a year in prison or house arrest for that due to the resulting murder of the kid.
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We don't need you to keep posting
 
2013-07-14 05:33:18 PM  

phenn: Iowan73: There is no evidence of who started the fight. But the only reason those two ever met was because Zimmerman made it happen.

So? Was that illegal?


No. I don't think he should have been convicted of murder. But he is at least partially responsible for getting himself into a an easily avoidable situation and then having to shoot his way out. If he had minded his own business or left it to the police, none of this would have happened.
 
2013-07-14 05:33:40 PM  

oregon fubaralas: Carth: oregon fubaralas: phenn: oregon fubaralas: HKW: oregon fubaralas: It would be ironic if Zimmerman WALKED to Treyvons house and started beating the shiat out of a bus driver, and then got shot. That would be ironic! Now... not so ironic.

Justice for Treyvon!

Treyon got justice. Specifically when the 9mm bullet mushroomed as it entered his chest.

FOR WHAT! Walking home from a candy store?

Oh, come now. That's all he did. Just walked home from the candy store. He did absolutely nothing else?

He tried to protect himself from an assailant, also not a reason to be shot.

That word, it does not mean what you think it means. Unless you have evidence the state didn't that Zimmerman started the fight.

He started it by following him. To assail does not legally require physical contact. It can be the fear of being assaulted as well. Look it up.


Sure we have talked about it in numerous other zimmerman threads. In FL it requires an unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another. Are you suggesting Following someone is unlawful in the state of FL?

What law did zimmerman break that makes him an assailant?
 
2013-07-14 05:33:52 PM  
i.imgur.com

Maybe they can time-share security costs. It is Florida after all.
 
2013-07-14 05:34:50 PM  

DoomPaul: I wouldn't be fond of someone following me asking me what am I doing here, but that is not illegal nor does it warrant me getting physical with them.


Except that in the situation, Zimmerman had no duty to act, nor duty to follow. No one was in imminent danger. And he expressed his intentions on a recorded line. Taking this into account, it's easy to argue that his mentality and mindset, and actions negligently escalated the situation to the point where he had to use lethal force.
 
2013-07-14 05:35:06 PM  
BLACKS SHOULD GO BACK TO AFRICA

-Akon
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2013-07-14 05:35:29 PM  

Iowan73: phenn: Iowan73: There is no evidence of who started the fight. But the only reason those two ever met was because Zimmerman made it happen.

So? Was that illegal?

No. I don't think he should have been convicted of murder. But he is at least partially responsible for getting himself into a an easily avoidable situation and then having to shoot his way out. If he had minded his own business or left it to the police, none of this would have happened.


We can certainly agree on that. He acted stupidly. Totally agree. Doesn't rise to second degree murder, but definitely eaten alive by dumbass.
 
2013-07-14 05:35:30 PM  

hardinparamedic: Molavian: No one can touch Zimmerman over Martin's death.

Uh, you do realize the fact that Zimmerman didn't use a SYG defense means he is civilly liable in a wrongful death suit, right?


I realize exactly what happens in a case like this, where a defendant has been acquitted.  Do you realize what will happen?
 
2013-07-14 05:35:41 PM  

clowncar on fire: Carth: clowncar on fire: MelGoesOnTour: I for one am sick of the Martin "supporters". They're the type of people who are always actively looking to cry "racism" at every opportunity. Sheesh. Give it a farkin' break, man!

I'm not a Travon supporter. However, I support the fact that someone who walks into a situation of his own making and then shoots someone else "in self defense" even less...

I commend the kid for keeping his distance and his recognition that poking around in other people's property is suspicious- adults have become so unreliable these days-- regret that kids can't just be smart enough to make harmless requests rather then being sneaky about things.  Had they have done so, the boy was welcome to hang out on ...

Zimmerman says exactly what he found suspicious about him during the 911 call and in his statements read at court. Did you listen to the trial at all?

I'm freakin' middle class peasant.  I work.  Who has time for that tripe.  I rely strictly on Fark when I want to know what really happened.  So what exactly did Zimmerman find so "suspicion worthy" that he needed confront after being told to stand down?


Here is the full transcript from the 911 call. I got in trouble in another thread for posting too much of it.

Also the state had no evidence that he tried to "confront" martin or did anything other than walk back to his car after being told they didn't need him to follow martin.
 
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