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(Mental Floss)   Ever wonder what sadistic programming bastard thought "control-alt-delete" was a good idea? His name was David Bradley, and it actually made sense at the time   (mentalfloss.com) divider line 164
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2013-07-14 04:51:14 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-14 04:52:02 PM
Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: Safe yourself a step. Ctrl+Alt+Esc opens Task Manager directly without going to that other screen.

not mine; goes straight to task manager.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-07-14 04:53:02 PM
nytmare: What's sadistic is that Microsoft co-opted the key combo from rebooting the PC (a last-ditch function that you don't want to do accidentally), to become a mandatory prerequisite for logging in to the PC (a common function that you always do on purpose) -- essentially the opposite of its original function. TFA doesn't explain why they did this.

I think CTRL-ALT-DEL was implemented in the keyboard controller chip. It could not be diverted by a malicious program. The key combination generates an interrupt and the low level interrupt handler runs. You know you are getting the real OS and not a trojan.
 
2013-07-14 04:54:37 PM

cmunic8r99: Subby assumes it doesn't make sense now.


This.
 
2013-07-14 04:55:25 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: FTA "Because Apple and RadioShack were already selling small stand-alone computers:"

Ahh the usual revisionism. Atari? Commodore?


I remember when Apple and Tandy were the only game in town.
 
2013-07-14 04:57:02 PM
Here's video of that fateful conference with Bradley and Gates.

http://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video5543
 
2013-07-14 04:57:15 PM

nytmare: TFA doesn't explain why they did this.


Windows does this because the CTRL+ALT+DEL interrupt can be trapped by the OS  firstand the OS can prevent  any other application from trapping it. This means that CTRL+ALT+DEL will always cause  Windows to take over, and not, say, some malware designed to  look like a Windows logon screen.
 
2013-07-14 05:04:31 PM

WhippingBoy: Quantum Apostrophe: FTA "Because Apple and RadioShack were already selling small stand-alone computers:"

Ahh the usual revisionism. Atari? Commodore?

I remember when Apple and Tandy were the only game in town.


What town was this? Commodore and Atari were around at that time.
 
2013-07-14 05:05:11 PM

wkiernan: Funny the article says CTRL-ALT-DEL was little known until the popularization of Windows.  CTRL-ALT-DEL and MS-DOS went together like calamine lotion and poison ivy.


I feel better for not bothering to read the article then.

Alt-F4 is the ctrl-alt-del of windows... sort of (sometimes alt-f-x, or ctrl-q or ctrl-z or ctrl-c).
 
2013-07-14 05:18:04 PM

ZAZ: Unfortunately operating systems these days favor soft reset/shutdown. You have to negotiate with the system to convince it to turn off. Or you have to resort to the 5 second power button press and full power up slowness which the reset chord was meant to avoid.


i291.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-14 05:22:02 PM

Thanks for the Meme-ries: ZAZ: Unfortunately operating systems these days favor soft reset/shutdown. You have to negotiate with the system to convince it to turn off. Or you have to resort to the 5 second power button press and full power up slowness which the reset chord was meant to avoid.

[i291.photobucket.com image 640x530]


Hunh, so I'm not the only one who gets that feeling.

/My computer refuses to shut down sometimes.
 
2013-07-14 05:29:52 PM
it SHOULD be ctrl-alt-R-A-N-D-Y-Del-ENTER-+-1-2-3
 
2013-07-14 05:33:48 PM

ZAZ: Unfortunately operating systems these days favor soft reset/shutdown. You have to negotiate with the system to convince it to turn off. Or you have to resort to the 5 second power button press and full power up slowness which the reset chord was meant to avoid.

I had a Mac application which popped up two dialog windows at the same time. You couldn't select either or dismiss either, and Macs refuse to shut down while a dialog is active.


Option + Apple + Escape doesn't work?
 
2013-07-14 05:34:00 PM
I miss the old bootstrap days, when you communicated with the OS directly, not through layers of incomprehensible shells.
 
2013-07-14 05:40:42 PM

PsiChick: Hunh, so I'm not the only one who gets that feeling./My computer refuses to shut down sometimes.


Should be a switch on the back of the computer where the power supply is. instant shutdown.
 
2013-07-14 05:46:06 PM

JonnyBGoode: I miss the old bootstrap days, when you communicated with the OS directly, not through layers of incomprehensible shells.


all u have to really do is sudo root and /usr/bin/shutdown -h
 
2013-07-14 05:55:26 PM

Peki: /bonus fact: qwerty keyboards were also designed purposefully because typists were too fast for manual typewriters. Sucks that it's so stuck now we can't roll over to a more efficient lay out.


*Sigh* It was designed so the keys wouldn't jam as the typebars crossed one another. It wasn't designed to slow anyone down. And, no, the Dvorak keyboard won't save millions in lost productivity.
 
2013-07-14 05:57:20 PM
I still prefer Ctrl-K-I
and Ctrl-K-U.
 
2013-07-14 05:57:38 PM

Peki: PsiChick: Hunh, so I'm not the only one who gets that feeling./My computer refuses to shut down sometimes.

Should be a switch on the back of the computer where the power supply is. instant shutdown.


It's a laptop, I just push the power button. Still feels like I'm smothering my poor baby.

/But then it wakes up and it's fine
//I need to get admin privileges and run it past someone halfway competent one of these days
 
2013-07-14 05:59:48 PM

PsiChick: Peki: PsiChick: Hunh, so I'm not the only one who gets that feeling./My computer refuses to shut down sometimes.

Should be a switch on the back of the computer where the power supply is. instant shutdown.

It's a laptop, I just push the power button. Still feels like I'm smothering my poor baby.

/But then it wakes up and it's fine
//I need to get admin privileges and run it past someone halfway competent one of these days


Oh, yeah, important distinction. I suppose in that case the hard boot would be pulling the battery.
 
2013-07-14 06:00:50 PM
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www.spinellis.gr
 
2013-07-14 06:02:12 PM
I want to meet the guy that created the "print screen" key that never works...

and punch him.

Conversely, want to buy the inventor of the "boss key" a beer.
 
2013-07-14 06:02:43 PM
Sadistic? Nope.

Watching memcheck got old real fast.

Now if you wanted sadistic, there was always WordStar.
 
2013-07-14 06:03:27 PM

Any Pie Left: "print screen"


?? You've never opened Paint and pressed Ctrl-V right after???

/something tells me you didn't know it was essentially a ctrl-c function.
 
2013-07-14 06:08:11 PM

Peki: Any Pie Left: "print screen"

?? You've never opened Paint and pressed Ctrl-V right after???

/something tells me you didn't know it was essentially a ctrl-c function.


Yeah, that was immensely helpful in the days before all the screengrab tools.
 
2013-07-14 06:08:31 PM

Peki: PsiChick: Peki: PsiChick: Hunh, so I'm not the only one who gets that feeling./My computer refuses to shut down sometimes.

Should be a switch on the back of the computer where the power supply is. instant shutdown.

It's a laptop, I just push the power button. Still feels like I'm smothering my poor baby.

/But then it wakes up and it's fine
//I need to get admin privileges and run it past someone halfway competent one of these days

Oh, yeah, important distinction. I suppose in that case the hard boot would be pulling the battery.


No idea, I've never done it and never want to. My system admin has no sense of deadlines and, though I don't know much about computers, I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to get a popup every single time you start your computer up asking if you want to update X, let alone have it randomly crash on you or refuse to turn off.

/To say nothing of how he won't run a weekly clean-up of the thing.
 
2013-07-14 06:17:01 PM
Sadistic? No....

Sadistic was:

(A)bort,(R)etry,(F)ail?

/fail was the only one that worked.
 
2013-07-14 06:18:11 PM

hogans: I still prefer Ctrl-K-I
and Ctrl-K-U.


Wordstar on CPM also used these

Which is why I use vi

But I also remember 8 inch floppies
 
2013-07-14 06:19:46 PM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: ultraholland: the first thing I do when turning on my computer is open up TskMngr via ctrl-alt-del

suck it

Safe yourself a step.  Ctrl+Alt+Esc Ctrl+Shift+Esc opens Task Manager directly without going to that other screen.

/FTFM




Just about to post that.

/hates posers
 
2013-07-14 06:28:25 PM

itsaback: Sadistic? No....

Sadistic was:

(A)bort,(R)etry,(F)ail?

/fail was the only one that worked.


Always choose retry.

/the quote may be obscure, but I know the game isn't
//but yes, I agree, that line was the most sadistic of all
 
2013-07-14 06:40:07 PM

Peki: itsaback: Sadistic? No....

Sadistic was:

(A)bort,(R)etry,(F)ail?

/fail was the only one that worked.

Always choose retry.

/the quote may be obscure, but I know the game isn't
//but yes, I agree, that line was the most sadistic of all




Now someone is installing it.
 
2013-07-14 06:42:25 PM

Peki: /bonus fact: qwerty keyboards were also designed purposefully because typists were too fast for manual typewriters. Sucks that it's so stuck now we can't roll over to a more efficient lay out.


it's a bonus, but it's not a fact, just a well-repeated falsehood...
 
2013-07-14 06:46:42 PM
Shutdown -r -f -t 0

Or, if you're powershell inclined...

Restart-computer -force
 
2013-07-14 06:47:00 PM

Peki: Story I was told by my dad (we had some of the first home PCs in the 80s, as my dad worked in aerospace and read the writing on the wall) was that the keys were selected purposefully so they wouldn't be pressed on accident. This was in the days before Windows asked you permission twice before doing anything, and one errant keystroke could format your entire computer, with no "are you sure" so you could go "wait wait I didn't mean THAT!"


The old Apple ][ computers had a rage reset key, right next to the delete key.  Really common to accidentally hit it while editing a line.
 
2013-07-14 06:50:22 PM
CTRL-ALT-DET came from the days where Sysadmiins were proud to have their servers running for 30 days straight, and were considered gods for having their servers up for six months straight.

/before reboots for patches
//and the HD space for the networks were a spacious 340 MB
///with a 'M'
 
2013-07-14 06:54:17 PM

muteidiotsavant: Bonus bonus fact: all the letters in the word "TYPEWRITER" are on the top row, to make it easier for salespeople to demonstrate by typing said word.


Bonus bonus bonus fact: The longest word you can type entirely with your left hand is STEWARDESSES -- which leaves your right hand free for, um, other things.
 
2013-07-14 07:07:07 PM
Control-Alt-Delete wasn't sadistic until Microsoft re-tasked it as a requirement to 'log in'. Linux had adopted Control-Alt-Delete in its original meaning: controlled but immediate warm boot. Microsoft's leadership were vicious and petty.
 
2013-07-14 07:10:00 PM

MooseUpNorth: Control-Alt-Delete wasn't sadistic until Microsoft re-tasked it as a requirement to 'log in'. Linux had adopted Control-Alt-Delete in its original meaning: controlled but immediate warm boot. Microsoft's leadership were vicious and petty.


MooseUpNorth: Control-Alt-Delete wasn't sadistic until Microsoft re-tasked it as a requirement to 'log in'. Linux had adopted Control-Alt-Delete in its original meaning: controlled but immediate warm boot. Microsoft's leadership were vicious and petty.




www.instablogsimages.com
 
2013-07-14 07:10:11 PM

Any Pie Left: I want to meet the guy that created the "print screen" key that never works...

and punch him.

Conversely, want to buy the inventor of the "boss key" a beer.


it used to print to your dot matrix printer when text displays were all the rage.

now it just copies your desktop to the clipboard.

what u want it to do print out a full color pic of your desktop automagically?  where's the fun in all that??
 
2013-07-14 07:10:30 PM
Or, for older Macintosh users, the old Apple+CTRL+Reset
 
2013-07-14 07:10:39 PM

LordOfThePings: And yet, few of these consumers were aware of Bradley's shortcut quietly lingering in their machines. It wasn't until the early 1990s, when Microsoft's Windows took off, that the shortcut came to prominence.

Um, yeah, that's BS.


This.  Pretty much everyone who used a PC knew exactly what CTRL-ALT-DEL was.
 
2013-07-14 07:12:36 PM

MooseUpNorth: Control-Alt-Delete wasn't sadistic until Microsoft re-tasked it as a requirement to 'log in'. Linux had adopted Control-Alt-Delete in its original meaning: controlled but immediate warm boot. Microsoft's leadership were vicious and petty.


As others have pointed out, the reason Microsoft did this (beginning with Windows NT) was because it was the only key sequence that was handled as a hardware interrupt that can't be grabbed by a malicious process.  So when you hit that key sequence, you know you're getting the legit log-on screen.

But hey, if you'd rather hate Microsoft irrationally, go right ahead.
 
2013-07-14 07:13:23 PM

Genju: Or, for older Macintosh users, the old Apple+CTRL+Reset


Or on the //e, //c, etc...CTRL-OpenApple-RESET.
 
2013-07-14 07:15:30 PM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: ultraholland: the first thing I do when turning on my computer is open up TskMngr via ctrl-alt-del

suck it

Safe yourself a step.  Ctrl+Alt+Esc Ctrl+Shift+Esc opens Task Manager directly without going to that other screen.

/FTFM


Whose awesome?  You're awesome!  Thanks for that.
 
2013-07-14 07:18:33 PM
www.dansdata.com

DO YOU EVEN LIFT BRO?!
 
2013-07-14 07:30:00 PM

Dadoody: [www.dansdata.com image 850x577]

DO YOU EVEN LIFT BRO?!


This was the sweet one:

az413224.vo.msecnd.net
Clicky keys that depressed about a half inch and it weighted 50 lbs.
 
2013-07-14 07:42:06 PM

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: ultraholland: the first thing I do when turning on my computer is open up TskMngr via ctrl-alt-del

suck it

Safe yourself a step.  Ctrl+Alt+Esc Ctrl+Shift+Esc opens Task Manager directly without going to that other screen.

/FTFM


You're so cute. Both work. And REAL men have their Task Manager on their taskbar.
 
2013-07-14 07:47:05 PM

flaminio: muteidiotsavant: Bonus bonus fact: all the letters in the word "TYPEWRITER" are on the top row, to make it easier for salespeople to demonstrate by typing said word.

Bonus bonus bonus fact: The longest word you can type entirely with your left hand is STEWARDESSES -- which leaves your right hand free for, um, other things.


Approves:

sexyfeminist.com
 
2013-07-14 08:01:48 PM
No but I've wondered what sadistic bastard thought making the number pad upside-down from the number pad on a phone was a good idea, and why they thought the num lock key should go near the numbers but the parentheses shouldn't.
 
2013-07-14 08:06:19 PM
*shrug* I like Alt-j.

Let's Tesselate?
 
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