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(Denver Post)   Denver's plans for spending its proposed 5% tax on recreational MJ would give it more inspectors and enforcers for pot than Colorado has for the oil & gas industries   (denverpost.com) divider line 65
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2013-07-14 12:09:51 PM
Is it legal to grow your own for personal use?  If so, can't people just avoid most of the taxes (not to mention recurring costs) by growing a couple of plants at home?  Even with a couple of lamps, you should break even relatively quickly...
 
2013-07-14 12:16:14 PM
"It is imperative that city officials demonstrate they are not using the potential of a new revenue source to go on a shopping spree in order to backfill city budgets."

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2013-07-14 12:32:52 PM

BunkyBrewman: "It is imperative that city officials demonstrate they are not using the potential of a new revenue source to go on a shopping spree in order to backfill city budgets."

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Eh, all eyes will be on them, so better for them to go a bit overboard with the budget and make sure they do it right than risk embarrassment and setting the recreational marijuana movement back.
 
2013-07-14 12:33:26 PM
Weed on Wheels? Limited to cash only?
 
2013-07-14 12:49:23 PM
"It is imperative that city officials demonstrate they are not using the potential of a new revenue source to go on a shopping spree in order to backfill city budgets."

Why? Isn't this exactly why you would want a recreational, lucrative product that can sustain a very high tax rate? Pay for schools, roads, police...whatever, fill the coffers.
 
2013-07-14 01:24:22 PM
Stubby if the recreational MJ retailers want basically no regulation at all and to be overseen only by a revolving door of people going back and forth from industry and government oversight they have to buy themselves politicians just like oil and gas lobbyists did. The cost of buying politicians is not that high and if the examples from gas and fracking hold true it would be less than 10% of the yearly cost of new regulation or tax. With the gas fracking people being exempt from almost all rules about clean and safe water and drought means nothing to them taking out millions of gallons of water per well their money was very well spent for them. Working in an industry with a large amount of regulation and or tax politicians are the best insurance money can buy. No good for the area or proper administration of law but buying politician's votes has become the new normal and until there is campaign finance reform it will get worse.
 
2013-07-14 02:43:21 PM
Luckily, the massive numbers of conservatives in Colorado will fight this tax increase no matter what. Right? Right?
 
2013-07-14 02:44:31 PM
That's because the oil and gas companies self regulate.
 
2013-07-14 03:37:58 PM
When there's gas dealers who grow their own stuff and don't overcharge then we'll talk.
 
2013-07-14 03:41:44 PM
So it's creating jobs?
 
2013-07-14 03:42:25 PM

RodneyToady: Is it legal to grow your own for personal use?  If so, can't people just avoid most of the taxes (not to mention recurring costs) by growing a couple of plants at home?  Even with a couple of lamps, you should break even relatively quickly...


Im rather certain its illegal to grow your own even in the states with legal medical mj.Like as in many years in PMITA federal prison for being a drug producer.

Of course if you was growing for personal use and not selling you arent gonna get busted unless someone who knows about it gets pissed at you and narcs you out.
 
2013-07-14 03:42:49 PM
There will be more pot dealers than oil/gas refineries to investigate, presumably.
 
2013-07-14 03:43:39 PM
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What smoking MJ may look like
 
2013-07-14 03:46:37 PM

vartian: "It is imperative that city officials demonstrate they are not using the potential of a new revenue source to go on a shopping spree in order to backfill city budgets."

Why? Isn't this exactly why you would want a recreational, lucrative product that can sustain a very high tax rate? Pay for schools, roads, police...whatever, fill the coffers.


Roads, huh? Would that go toward fixing pot holes?
 
2013-07-14 03:46:57 PM
But to be fair, the pot was wearing a hoodie.
 
2013-07-14 03:47:48 PM
follow the money
 
2013-07-14 03:48:19 PM

MFAWG: So it's creating jobs?


I seems like it would've created a lot of specialized jobs for people with Biology and other science degrees, but no they'll just tax the shiat out of it so everyone has to grow their own and the tax revenue won't support all of these inspectors/administrators so taxpayers lose again.
 
2013-07-14 03:49:01 PM

edmo: Luckily, the massive numbers of conservatives in Colorado will fight this tax increase no matter what. Right? Right?


If there were massive amounts of conservatives in CO the law never would have passed in the first place.

Oldiron_79: Im rather certain its illegal to grow your own even in the states with legal medical mj.Like as in many years in PMITA federal prison for being a drug producer.


Federally, yes, but the bill that passed on the state level here in CO allows an individual to grow up to 4 plants for personal use.  So, you'd only get into trouble if the feds raided your home.  For 4 pot plants.  I find that unlikely, even though technically possible.
 
2013-07-14 03:49:35 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: That's because the oil and gas companies self regulate.


This might be the best comment ever.
 
2013-07-14 03:50:24 PM
*listening to Hendrix all morning*
"music sweet music I wish I could caress"
 
2013-07-14 03:50:30 PM

TuteTibiImperes: BunkyBrewman: "It is imperative that city officials demonstrate they are not using the potential of a new revenue source to go on a shopping spree in order to backfill city budgets."

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Eh, all eyes will be on them, so better for them to go a bit overboard with the budget and make sure they do it right than risk embarrassment and setting the recreational marijuana movement back.


Yep.  This is a local test case that, if successful, could demonstrate the feasibility of legalization elsewhere.  We really don't want to fark it up.

/not sure why Denver is worried about 'increased caseload' except for the idiots who think they can now smoke in public places (anecdotally, in bars and music venues, lately I've seen more folks willing to smoke MJ than tobacco)
 
2013-07-14 03:51:12 PM

TuteTibiImperes: BunkyBrewman: "It is imperative that city officials demonstrate they are not using the potential of a new revenue source to go on a shopping spree in order to backfill city budgets."

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Eh, all eyes will be on them, so better for them to go a bit overboard with the budget and make sure they do it right than risk embarrassment and setting the recreational marijuana movement back.


Came to biatch about them growing government and not re-purposing existing employees but you make a very good point.
 
2013-07-14 03:51:27 PM

vartian: "It is imperative that city officials demonstrate they are not using the potential of a new revenue source to go on a shopping spree in order to backfill city budgets."

Why? Isn't this exactly why you would want a recreational, lucrative product that can sustain a very high tax rate? Pay for schools, roads, police...whatever, fill the coffers.


As above
 
2013-07-14 03:52:24 PM
Denver's plans for spending its proposed 5% tax on recreational MJ would give it more inspectors and enforcers for pot than Colorado has for the oil & gas industries


Why would anyone want recreational Michael Jackson? Think of the children!
 
2013-07-14 03:52:29 PM
1.5 million for Cheetos
 
2013-07-14 03:53:52 PM

Oldiron_79: RodneyToady: Is it legal to grow your own for personal use?  If so, can't people just avoid most of the taxes (not to mention recurring costs) by growing a couple of plants at home?  Even with a couple of lamps, you should break even relatively quickly...

Im rather certain its illegal to grow your own even in the states with legal medical mj.Like as in many years in PMITA federal prison for being a drug producer.


Under Recreational MJ state law, the local police are supposed to ignore cultivation of less than six plants  per person.  (Federal statues may still apply) 

Of course if you was growing for personal use and not selling you arent gonna get busted unless someone who knows about it gets pissed at you and narcs you out.

Possible, assuming they are not sharing/assistinng in the growing effort.
 
2013-07-14 03:55:39 PM
HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Watch! Right before your very own eyes! All the Libtards are turning into Teabaggers!
 
2013-07-14 03:57:36 PM
Colorado just legalized it

Its gonna take a while to work out the kinks
 
2013-07-14 03:58:44 PM
The fracking industry stacked the Colorado regulatory commission with their own people. They instituted a cap on fines for environmental spills that allows a fracking site to spew sh*t everywhere up to $10,000 worth of fines. So naturally the fracking companies just factor that fine as an operating cost.

Here's one from a few weeks ago.
 
2013-07-14 04:05:33 PM

Tumunga: HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Watch! Right before your very own eyes! All the Libtards are turning into Teabaggers!


Yeah, local experimentation prior to national implementation is a great idea, and it is certainly consistent with Tea Party principles as well as Occupy's anarchist side.

I'm all for local pilot projects when it comes to practical matters like legalizing drugs.  My problem is with local disruptions of fundamental rights, such as the right to vote.
 
2013-07-14 04:07:39 PM

REO-Weedwagon: The fracking industry stacked the Colorado regulatory commission with their own people. They instituted a cap on fines for environmental spills that allows a fracking site to spew sh*t everywhere up to $10,000 worth of fines. So naturally the fracking companies just factor that fine as an operating cost.

Here's one from a few weeks ago.


The desperation of the carbon-based energy corporations will only grow as sources become more difficult and expensive to pull out of the ground.
 
2013-07-14 04:08:49 PM
It takes a month to renew a Medical Marijuana red card because of cuts in staff.  Many of the cannabis growing regulations are barely enforced in Colorado because there are too few inspectors.

What I am saying is that most of the tax money generated from taxing cannabis will indeed used at the whim of state legislators, not for regulation enforcement.  Which is fine by me; Colorado citizens have not suffered under the current slack regime.
 
2013-07-14 04:09:33 PM
Only 5% tax? Texas still has the best stamp.

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2013-07-14 04:12:18 PM
You know that fantasy you had that marijuana taxes would pay for things like filling potholes, poverty programs, education, and other government functions that you think are underfunded? Now you know: they'll go to expanding the number of government personnel involved in dealing with marijuana. Next time somebody says, "Let's tax thing X, so we can finally have enough money for service Y," remember this.


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2013-07-14 04:19:20 PM
You know what, if that's the tradeoff needed to show the rest of the US that MJ should be a new industry, bring on the inspectors. Most industries have some sort of oversight, so it's only fair marijuana is held to the same level of agricultural standards.
 
2013-07-14 04:22:22 PM

Somaticasual: You know what, if that's the tradeoff needed to show the rest of the US that MJ should be a new industry, bring on the inspectors. Most industries have some sort of oversight, so it's only fair marijuana is held to the same level of agricultural standards.


I WANT that job
 
2013-07-14 04:23:50 PM

sparrow794: edmo: Luckily, the massive numbers of conservatives in Colorado will fight this tax increase no matter what. Right? Right?

If there were massive amounts of conservatives in CO the law never would have passed in the first place.

Oldiron_79: Im rather certain its illegal to grow your own even in the states with legal medical mj.Like as in many years in PMITA federal prison for being a drug producer.

Federally, yes, but the bill that passed on the state level here in CO allows an individual to grow up to 4 plants for personal use.  So, you'd only get into trouble if the feds raided your home.  For 4 pot plants.  I find that unlikely, even though technically possible.


I see a genetic engineering opportunity for pot plants the size of redwoods :)
 
2013-07-14 04:26:53 PM

REO-Weedwagon: The fracking industry stacked the Colorado regulatory commission with their own people. They instituted a cap on fines for environmental spills that allows a fracking site to spew sh*t everywhere up to $10,000 worth of fines. So naturally the fracking companies just factor that fine as an operating cost.

Here's one from a few weeks ago.


Like I said, frack all you want, yank all the regulations you want, lay off all the inspectors you want, build all the pipelines you want...just don't come crying to me when there's benzene in your ground water.

Dumbasses.
 
2013-07-14 04:27:23 PM

jjorsett: You know that fantasy you had that marijuana taxes would pay for things like...


I didn't have that fantasy and neither did a single pot smoker I know in Colorado. What we have is a large enough coalition that stood up to the stupidity of the Federal War On Drugs and legalized marijuana.

I have six beautiful ladies growing in my backyard. It pisses off my Tea Party neighbor, the prison guard, to no end. He's also in favor of small gubment and freedom!
 
2013-07-14 04:27:33 PM
I'm a grown-up. My wife and I graduated from college, I've been with the same employer for 18 years, I have a mortgage, an SUV, and a schnauzer, my son is in Boy Scouts and my daughter takes ballet lessons, I volunteer at the elementary school and during the community bike path clean up days, and I march in the 4th of July parades. I'm a stable member of my community. I believe I am capable of growing whatever plant I want in my own garden for my own enjoyment, and I believe I can do so without destroying society. I wish my government had as much confidence in my abilities as my neighbors do.
 
2013-07-14 04:29:08 PM
Remember what I've always said:  If you think the war on drugs is expensive now, wait till you see how much it costs when the stuff is legal.

Once government - local, county, state, Red State, Blue State, or Purple State - gets a taste of that sweet, sweet tax money, people are going to drop through the floor when they see what said government will do to keep it.
 
2013-07-14 04:30:32 PM

Notabunny: I'm a grown-up. My wife and I graduated from college, I've been with the same employer for 18 years, I have a mortgage, an SUV, and a schnauzer, my son is in Boy Scouts and my daughter takes ballet lessons, I volunteer at the elementary school and during the community bike path clean up days, and I march in the 4th of July parades. I'm a stable member of my community. I believe I am capable of growing whatever plant I want in my own garden for my own enjoyment, and I believe I can do so without destroying society. I wish my government had as much confidence in my abilities as my neighbors do.


Lazy stoner. You disgust me.
 
2013-07-14 04:38:49 PM

AtlanticCoast63: Remember what I've always said:  If you think the war on drugs is expensive now, wait till you see how much it costs when the stuff is legal.

Once government - local, county, state, Red State, Blue State, or Purple State - gets a taste of that sweet, sweet tax money, people are going to drop through the floor when they see what said government will do to keep it.


Then vote them out. It's not a monarchy.
 
2013-07-14 04:43:06 PM
The alternative is to have stupid policies for Oil and Gas AND for pot.

At least Colorado is only half-stupid. The rest of the country (except Washington State) is full-on retard on BOTH counts.
 
2013-07-14 04:49:29 PM
What would need inspecting and enforcing, really, that maybe half a dozen extra bodies at some existing agency couldn't handle?

Assuming CO's finances are as shiatty as any other state, use it to pay down the debt, then cut taxes once that's gone.
 
2013-07-14 05:01:47 PM
Why tax Mary? Tax Frito lay.
 
2013-07-14 05:18:44 PM

Notabunny: I'm a grown-up. My wife and I graduated from college, I've been with the same employer for 18 years, I have a mortgage, an SUV, and a schnauzer, my son is in Boy Scouts and my daughter takes ballet lessons, I volunteer at the elementary school and during the community bike path clean up days, and I march in the 4th of July parades. I'm a stable member of my community. I believe I am capable of growing whatever plant I want in my own garden for my own enjoyment, and I believe I can do so without destroying society. I wish my government had as much confidence in my abilities as my neighbors do.


Like we're gonna trust a guy with a Kraut dog.
 
2013-07-14 05:20:06 PM

Notabunny: I'm a grown-up. My wife and I graduated from college, I've been with the same employer for 18 years, I have a mortgage, an SUV, and a schnauzer, my son is in Boy Scouts and my daughter takes ballet lessons, I volunteer at the elementary school and during the community bike path clean up days, and I march in the 4th of July parades. I'm a stable member of my community. I believe I am capable of growing whatever plant I want in my own garden for my own enjoyment, and I believe I can do so without destroying society. I wish my government had as much confidence in my abilities as my neighbors do.


Filthy hippie. Get a job!
 
2013-07-14 06:24:26 PM
And thusly doth the War On drugs continue,,,

Shirley, this could be your best yet.
 
2013-07-14 06:40:54 PM

REO-Weedwagon: jjorsett: You know that fantasy you had that marijuana taxes would pay for things like...

I didn't have that fantasy and neither did a single pot smoker I know in Colorado. What we have is a large enough coalition that stood up to the stupidity of the Federal War On Drugs and legalized marijuana.


Then you guys haven't been reading enough Fark drug threads. Legalizing marijuana and other drugs and then taxing them was supposed to provide a gusher of new revenue to government and, in the view of some of the more, shall we say, enthusiastic proponents, would all but eliminate the need for other taxes.

I have six beautiful ladies growing in my backyard. It pisses off my Tea Party neighbor, the prison guard, to no end. He's also in favor of small gubment and freedom!

I'm a Tea Party member, and I'm fully in support of relaxing mj laws and growing however much you want. Here's a newsflash: not everybody who calls himself a "Tea Party member" wants to achieve the smaller government and lower tax goals in the exact same way as everybody else calling himself that. Let's celebrate our diversity.
 
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