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(The New York Times)   Will we get to know what should've happened in Cairo? Will the Romney campaign become more of a joke? Will Will shake Sloan for fun times tonight? This is your Newsroom season 2 premiere thread (starts at 9pm, HBO)   (tv.nytimes.com) divider line 55
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2013-07-14 11:35:37 AM
will we get a litany of liberal talking points interspersed with some forced screwball romance?
 
2013-07-14 01:17:57 PM
People watch this silliness?
 
2013-07-14 01:24:43 PM
I'm excited.  It's one of the most entertaining shows on TV.  The romantic subplots were weak last season, and I'm hoping they get toned down for this one, but even with a few stumbles it managed to be one of the most intelligent and on point shows on TV for the most part.
 
2013-07-14 01:35:59 PM
will we get a litany of liberal talking points interspersed with some forced screwball romance?

No, we will get more litanies of liberal talking points interspersed with more forced screwball romances and more faux interpersonal dilemmas between more beautiful people with more lofty ideals. Its the Sorkin way.

I wanted to like the show, but it is so preachy, it is unwatchable. I just gave up on it.

And I have a very liberal bent!
 
2013-07-14 03:40:17 PM
Well, it's no Half Hour News Hour.
 
2013-07-14 04:48:25 PM

TuteTibiImperes: I'm excited.  It's one of the most entertaining shows on TV.  The romantic subplots were weak last season, and I'm hoping they get toned down for this one, but even with a few stumbles it managed to be one of the most intelligent and on point shows on TV for the most part.


I am too. And it sounds like this season tones down the romance crap a bit. They got rid of the opening too for something spiffier?
 
2013-07-14 05:29:32 PM

homelessdude: I wanted to like the show, but it is so preachy, it is unwatchable. I just gave up on it.

And I have a very liberal bent!


same here. only i'm gonna give it another shot. i think the premise is pretty great. but the execution is cringe-inducingly awful
 
2013-07-14 05:44:14 PM
I for one, am wet with antici...

...pation for the premiere tonight!
 
2013-07-14 06:48:34 PM

homelessdude: will we get a litany of liberal talking points interspersed with some forced screwball romance?

No, we will get more litanies of liberal talking points interspersed with more forced screwball romances and more faux interpersonal dilemmas between more beautiful people with more lofty ideals. Its the Sorkin way.

I wanted to like the show, but it is so preachy, it is unwatchable. I just gave up on it.

And I have a very liberal bent!


Sorta like cable news.
 
2013-07-14 06:55:05 PM

homelessdude: will we get a litany of liberal talking points interspersed with some forced screwball romance?

No, we will get more litanies of liberal talking points interspersed with more forced screwball romances and more faux interpersonal dilemmas between more beautiful people with more lofty ideals. Its the Sorkin way.

I wanted to like the show, but it is so preachy, it is unwatchable. I just gave up on it.

And I have a very liberal bent!


The show makes no qualms about being idealistic, but I like that about it.  Not everything I watch has to be dystopian and pessimistic.  The Newsroom does a good job of showing how, in a perfect world, the media could strive to work.
 
2013-07-14 08:25:31 PM

cmunic8r99: Sorta like cable news.


Ha! I wish that nonsense was true
 
2013-07-14 08:40:42 PM
Sorkin's tendency to have his characters spout preachy dialogue worked very well with The West Wing because the characters were involved in influencing policy - it's not difficult to imagine those discussions taking place among presidential advisers in the real world WH. Here it just sounds like a group of freshmen poli-sci majors arguing in the quad after class.
 
2013-07-14 08:50:52 PM

Snapper Carr: Sorkin's tendency to have his characters spout preachy dialogue worked very well with The West Wing because the characters were involved in influencing policy - it's not difficult to imagine those discussions taking place among presidential advisers in the real world WH. Here it just sounds like a group of freshmen poli-sci majors arguing in the quad after class.


wait, why is having intelligent, albeit preachy, conversations about real world issues reserved only for the policy makers? What about those who are supposed to be educating the public about said policies? Why not have them talk about it too or are they not supposed to be intelligent enough to handle/care about such things (CNN notwithstanding)
 
2013-07-14 09:13:33 PM
What the fark is Newsroom? And we don't get Venture Brothers threads?
 
2013-07-14 09:30:37 PM

somedude210: Snapper Carr: Sorkin's tendency to have his characters spout preachy dialogue worked very well with The West Wing because the characters were involved in influencing policy - it's not difficult to imagine those discussions taking place among presidential advisers in the real world WH. Here it just sounds like a group of freshmen poli-sci majors arguing in the quad after class.

wait, why is having intelligent, albeit preachy, conversations about real world issues reserved only for the policy makers? What about those who are supposed to be educating the public about said policies? Why not have them talk about it too or are they not supposed to be intelligent enough to handle/care about such things (CNN notwithstanding)


When the show comments on media related matters (which, to its credit, it does often) or a particular issue and how it relates to the media, it's fascinating and worth watching.

When it's just doing general sociopolitical finger wagging, I become instantly aware that I'm being lectured to and it takes me out of the reality of the show
 
2013-07-14 09:42:50 PM
My main problem with the show, which I love, is that since I already know all of these news stories, there's no mystery to a large portion of the show. I already know how the episode is going to play out, and largely know how the characters will react to it.
 
2013-07-14 10:29:11 PM
You guys, I love this show.  I know it's bad.  Whenever I think about, it's bad.  But there's just something about this writing and these actors that, when I'm watching, I just get completely sucked in.  And I love it.

I cranked out 2,300 words trying to explain my love for the "Best Bad Show on Television."

Yes, my blog sucks, but there's something about this show that compels me to talk and write about it.
 
2013-07-14 10:33:08 PM
I liked the new opening package.

(that's what she said)
 
2013-07-14 10:35:23 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: My main problem with the show, which I love, is that since I already know all of these news stories, there's no mystery to a large portion of the show. I already know how the episode is going to play out, and largely know how the characters will react to it.


Well, I guess you hadn't read Page 6 which leaked the RHONJ tie in with a re-vamped table flip scene.

It hasn't aired yet, but they say it's glorious.

i.imgur.com i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-14 10:46:01 PM
This is by far the worst episode of the whole series.
 
2013-07-14 10:47:10 PM
Mentalpatient87What the fark is Newsroom? And we don't get Venture Brothers threads?

I could see Jeff Daniels paired off with Dr. Girlfriend...
 
2013-07-14 10:51:34 PM

homelessdude: will we get a litany of liberal talking points interspersed with some forced screwball romance?

No, we will get more litanies of liberal talking points interspersed with more forced screwball romances and more faux interpersonal dilemmas between more beautiful people with more lofty ideals. Its the Sorkin way.

I wanted to like the show, but it is so preachy, it is unwatchable. I just gave up on it.

And I have a very liberal bent!


That's been my problem. Nobody in the media is as idealistic as Sorkin imagines them to be. Plus, he has the drawback of writing every character like they are each always the smartest person in the room.

A show like this could have been great if they had someone like the team from The Wire calling the shots. The newspaper season was very good.
 
2013-07-14 11:06:18 PM
I was just watching the blackout part 1 episode on HBO2 while I was waiting for the premiere to start. Anyone else realize that the entire storyline last season involving Charlie's NSA guy explained all the information that Snowden released a year later?
 
2013-07-14 11:19:47 PM

somedude210: I was just watching the blackout part 1 episode on HBO2 while I was waiting for the premiere to start. Anyone else realize that the entire storyline last season involving Charlie's NSA guy explained all the information that Snowden released a year later?


Yes I did. That's why I couldn't figure out all the fuss about Snowden.
My first thought was 'didn't everybody know that stuff already'?
 
2013-07-14 11:42:55 PM
Haven't watched it yet, but I hope they downplay the romantic angles. Emily Mortimer, I think she's cute as a button and I've loved her in other roles, but her character last season made me seriously wonder was it the script, Sorkin, or herself making all these really weird and out there acting choices. I mean, it was embarassing. I hope that's fixed at least.
 
2013-07-15 12:16:37 AM

Mawson of the Antarctic: Haven't watched it yet, but I hope they downplay the romantic angles. Emily Mortimer, I think she's cute as a button and I've loved her in other roles, but her character last season made me seriously wonder was it the script, Sorkin, or herself making all these really weird and out there acting choices. I mean, it was embarassing. I hope that's fixed at least.


I hate to spoil it for you, but they tried to do a crossover with the HBO series "Girls".
Some usually naked dumpy girl with a bunch of crappy tattoos follows  Will McAvoy around demanding answers about Benghazi.
 
2013-07-15 12:39:04 AM
Awesome opener for season 2, they got nearly everything right.  McKenzie was compentent, Olivia Munn apparently took some acting classes in the off season and totally rocked it, the romantic element was downplayed, and it never came off as preachy, but still maintained the that utopian dream.

The writing and dialogue was intelligent, the plot was engrossing, and it was jam packed with content.  If anything the only criticism I can lay on this episode is that they tried to cram too much in, but hell, they only have ten per season to get it all done, I can live with a little bit of compacting.
 
2013-07-15 12:51:25 AM
Looks like they're going for a level of "shiat's on fire, yo" that they never really reached last season.  After tonight's episode, I'm optimistic that the season will be as good as the first.
 
2013-07-15 12:54:30 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Awesome opener for season 2, they got nearly everything right.  McKenzie was compentent, Olivia Munn apparently took some acting classes in the off season and totally rocked it, the romantic element was downplayed, and it never came off as preachy, but still maintained the that utopian dream.

The writing and dialogue was intelligent, the plot was engrossing, and it was jam packed with content.  If anything the only criticism I can lay on this episode is that they tried to cram too much in, but hell, they only have ten per season to get it all done, I can live with a little bit of compacting.


I disagree entirely. This was the worst episode the show has ever shown, to the point that I wondered aloud if Sorkin had gone sober and killed his muse. I watched the first season because it was the Sorkin-iest Sorkin show I've ever seen. That's what drew me in. I didn't agree with everything stated, but there was an energy about the show that was undeniable.

This episode was a slow, droning, and altogether depressing prologue to a season where our fast-monologuing, idealistic characters have apparently become morose and broken. It felt like somebody Newsroom'd Sorkin and told him to tone it down because he was losing ratings, and the entire show changed its tone without a whimper.

Hell, just look at the opening credits. It used to be a blanket statement that these news reporters were continuing the legacy of the old greats through their grit and determination. Now it's smartphones and coffee spilled on copy.

Hopefully this was only a solitary, horrible transition episode. I want my Sorkin back.
 
2013-07-15 01:00:22 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: TuteTibiImperes: Awesome opener for season 2, they got nearly everything right.  McKenzie was compentent, Olivia Munn apparently took some acting classes in the off season and totally rocked it, the romantic element was downplayed, and it never came off as preachy, but still maintained the that utopian dream.

The writing and dialogue was intelligent, the plot was engrossing, and it was jam packed with content.  If anything the only criticism I can lay on this episode is that they tried to cram too much in, but hell, they only have ten per season to get it all done, I can live with a little bit of compacting.

I disagree entirely. This was the worst episode the show has ever shown, to the point that I wondered aloud if Sorkin had gone sober and killed his muse. I watched the first season because it was the Sorkin-iest Sorkin show I've ever seen. That's what drew me in. I didn't agree with everything stated, but there was an energy about the show that was undeniable.

This episode was a slow, droning, and altogether depressing prologue to a season where our fast-monologuing, idealistic characters have apparently become morose and broken. It felt like somebody Newsroom'd Sorkin and told him to tone it down because he was losing ratings, and the entire show changed its tone without a whimper.

Hell, just look at the opening credits. It used to be a blanket statement that these news reporters were continuing the legacy of the old greats through their grit and determination. Now it's smartphones and coffee spilled on copy.

Hopefully this was only a solitary, horrible transition episode. I want my Sorkin back.


To be honest I preferred the original opening credits as well.  However, the idealistic original season had plenty of detractors, Sorkin had to do something to make it work.  I preferred the first episode of season one to this one, but I'm optimistic for where it's going.  If they have to change the tone a bit to get the critics and detractors onboard, it's worthwhile if it means it stays on the air longer.  The same overall message was there.
 
2013-07-15 01:10:43 AM
Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist:
 I wondered aloud if Sorkin had gone sober and killed his muse.

I'm willing to start a kickstarter to support Sorkin's coke habit if it means we get the guy from the height of The West Wing back.  I guess we'll also have to fund rehab between seasons though to make sure he doesn't OD and die.

Honestly though, from my understanding he's been sober for quite a while.  Some of the best artists through history have done their best work while under the influence, and while I admire the work that's come from that, I also respect his desire to live a sober life.

He still has his mojo.  Maybe I don't watch like most people - I rewind and rewatch certain scenes multiple times during the episode.  It took me about two hours to get through this one with all of the reviewing I did.  I think he's onto something, and I'm happy to be along for the ride.
 
2013-07-15 01:15:15 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Awesome opener for season 2, they got nearly everything right.  McKenzie was compentent, Olivia Munn apparently took some acting classes in the off season and totally rocked it, the romantic element was downplayed, and it never came off as preachy, but still maintained the that utopian dream.

The writing and dialogue was intelligent, the plot was engrossing, and it was jam packed with content.  If anything the only criticism I can lay on this episode is that they tried to cram too much in, but hell, they only have ten per season to get it all done, I can live with a little bit of compacting.


Yeah, I was amazed that Olivia Munn no longer was merely fast-spewing her lines.  There may be hope for that airhead yet.

They're leading up to the Occupy Wall street folks failing to get out a coherent message.  "You're going to wait for 2/3 of the states to ratify a constitutional amendment?"

Mawson of the Antarctic: Haven't watched it yet, but I hope they downplay the romantic angles. Emily Mortimer, I think she's cute as a button and I've loved her in other roles, but her character last season made me seriously wonder was it the script, Sorkin, or herself making all these really weird and out there acting choices. I mean, it was embarassing. I hope that's fixed at least.


Emily gets the perky nipples award for this show after the previous season competition that was headed by Jane Fonda herself.
 
2013-07-15 01:30:56 AM

netringer: TuteTibiImperes: Awesome opener for season 2, they got nearly everything right.  McKenzie was compentent, Olivia Munn apparently took some acting classes in the off season and totally rocked it, the romantic element was downplayed, and it never came off as preachy, but still maintained the that utopian dream.

The writing and dialogue was intelligent, the plot was engrossing, and it was jam packed with content.  If anything the only criticism I can lay on this episode is that they tried to cram too much in, but hell, they only have ten per season to get it all done, I can live with a little bit of compacting.

Yeah, I was amazed that Olivia Munn no longer was merely fast-spewing her lines.  There may be hope for that airhead yet.

They're leading up to the Occupy Wall street folks failing to get out a coherent message.  "You're going to wait for 2/3 of the states to ratify a constitutional amendment?"

Mawson of the Antarctic: Haven't watched it yet, but I hope they downplay the romantic angles. Emily Mortimer, I think she's cute as a button and I've loved her in other roles, but her character last season made me seriously wonder was it the script, Sorkin, or herself making all these really weird and out there acting choices. I mean, it was embarassing. I hope that's fixed at least.

Emily gets the perky nipples award for this show after the previous season competition that was headed by Jane Fonda herself.


Yeah, I thought this was interesting too. Maybe it's hindsight, but the PhD Anthropologist was written to be a hippie stick-it-to the man idealist. It's sadly funny to think how Occupy started and how it quickly foamed away into almost nothing. This is the one thing I don't think Sorkin is satirizing too much.
 
2013-07-15 01:51:25 AM

netringer: TuteTibiImperes: Awesome opener for season 2, they got nearly everything right.  McKenzie was compentent, Olivia Munn apparently took some acting classes in the off season and totally rocked it, the romantic element was downplayed, and it never came off as preachy, but still maintained the that utopian dream.

The writing and dialogue was intelligent, the plot was engrossing, and it was jam packed with content.  If anything the only criticism I can lay on this episode is that they tried to cram too much in, but hell, they only have ten per season to get it all done, I can live with a little bit of compacting.

Yeah, I was amazed that Olivia Munn no longer was merely fast-spewing her lines.  There may be hope for that airhead yet.


I actually think she's a very intelligent woman.  She was always quick-witted on AOTS, which was broadcast live, so she didn't have the benefit of multiple takes.  There's possibly an argument to be made that she faked the geek-cred, though I believe she did legitimately develop an understanding and affinity with that culture over time, but she's never come off as just another pretty face.  She's hot, no doubt, but she's also smart and focused, we'll be hearing a lot more from her over the next ten years.
 
2013-07-15 02:01:00 AM
These questions and many others will be answered in the next episode of...Soap.
 
2013-07-15 03:17:15 AM

stoli n coke: That's been my problem. Nobody in the media is as idealistic as Sorkin imagines them to be. Plus, he has the drawback of writing every character like they are each always the smartest person in the room.

A show like this could have been great if they had someone like the team from The Wire calling the shots. The newspaper season was very good.


Yeah, the "smartest person in the room" thing is probably what I object to most. Sorkin's stuff is very entertaining and certainly cover all the bases on paper. The characters' scripts hit the mark well and the choices of who to play those roles is well more often than not, creative and well placed. However, too much of a good thing can be a detriment and a news room (or a White House) full of these oh-so-very-smart-&-pretty-to-look-at-people, it becomes obvious we are watching something less of a show and more of a preacher's sermon. Its fine at first, but the constant barrage of lofty, idealistic speechmaking gets tiring.

Maybe the show needs a red-shirt style camera operator or stage manager characters to die each episode at the hands of a Gorn-like network executive for making some completely sophomoric mistake. That could be interesting.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-15 05:43:59 AM

TuteTibiImperes: I actually think she's a very intelligent woman.  She was always quick-witted on AOTS, which was broadcast live, so she didn't have the benefit of multiple takes.  There's possibly an argument to be made that she faked the geek-cred, though I believe she did legitimately develop an understanding and affinity with that culture over time, but she's never come off as just another pretty face.  She's hot, no doubt, but she's also smart and focused, we'll be hearing a lot more from her over the next ten years.


I actually liked her in season 1. Especially in the scenes between her and Charlie. Tonight was no exception to that either. They're exchange was hilarious, and perfect in many ways.

"You and I are both nerds missy, and you make us look bad!"
"No, I make us look  goooooood,"
 
2013-07-15 08:57:13 AM
I just want to know when and if we are going to get to see Alison Pill naked.
 
2013-07-15 08:58:26 AM
I'm hoping this season is better for two reasons:

1) They are getting into some stuff more critical of the administration.

2) This Genoa scandal they wrote into the show is intriguing me so far.

Also: am I the only one digging Alison Pill's "terrible" haircut post-Uganda?
 
2013-07-15 08:59:27 AM

Endive Wombat: I just want to know when and if we are going to get to see Alison Pill naked.


how about Allison Pill/Olivia Munn getting it on?
 
2013-07-15 09:00:51 AM

Grungehamster: Also: am I the only one digging Alison Pill's "terrible" haircut post-Uganda?


nah, I like it. I also like how the show addressed what the audience was thinking with the lawyer going "That's Maggie? WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO HER HAIR?"
 
2013-07-15 09:03:13 AM

somedude210: Endive Wombat: I just want to know when and if we are going to get to see Alison Pill naked.

how about Allison Pill/Olivia Munn getting it on?


Now my pants are tight.  WTF man?
 
2013-07-15 09:06:37 AM
Allison Pill looks like somebody drew a tiny face on a pumpkin.
 
2013-07-15 09:14:48 AM

Endive Wombat: Now my pants are tight. WTF man?


Welp, my work here is done

/be happy I didn't toss in sorority girl too
//you know, to show us what makes America the greatest country in the world ^_^
 
2013-07-15 10:05:40 AM
One thing missing so far is the plot where Sorkin enlightens us that women who work in the sex trade are NOT skanky exhibitionists but instead totally sensitive, intelligent bookworms so it's totally okay for us guys to want to bang them.  See the Jeremy/Porn Actress story arc in Sports Night and the Sam/Call Girl arc in The West Wing.
 
2013-07-15 10:59:22 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Allison Pill looks like somebody drew a tiny face on a pumpkin.


I wanna fark that pumpkin.
 
2013-07-15 11:21:17 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Allison Pill looks like somebody drew a tiny face on a pumpkin.


I chortled.

Not trying to sharp-knees her or anything, but her eyes are so close together it's unnerving. And for those wanting to see her nakey, she tweeted a drunk naked selfy last year. Both her followers made sure it promptly got out to the rest of the internet.
 
2013-07-15 11:36:43 AM
Seems that the biggest complaint about the show is that it's preachy, and that this season will do what Leona Lansing wanted Will to do ("tone it down").

Personally, I liked that it was preachy. There's plenty enough television out there that plays it safe. Sorkin wants to get a message across while he entertains. And it's not just that it's something that 'needs to be said', because it's something that's been said many times already. It's that it's been said many times already by people who are subtle and polite and afraid to take the kids gloves off, and are therefore ignored and marginalized.  So he hits the caps lock key. Sometimes you have to kick a little to cause a stir. Sometimes you have to make some noise to be heard. Yes, that's from a Little Texas song, but its true. You don't win uphill battles by walking on eggshells.

And what happens then? We go from ignoring the message, to ignoring the message and attacking the volume of the messenger. It's not exactly an ad hominem, but it's almost the same thing.

I liked that Game of Thrones had the balls to show us the Red Wedding graphically and I liked that The Newsroom had the balls to call it like it saw it. I'll be disappointed if this reason backs down.
 
2013-07-15 11:38:45 AM

Coder: I'll be disappointed if this reason backs down.


season, not reason
 
2013-07-15 11:53:09 AM

TimSTP: One thing missing so far is the plot where Sorkin enlightens us that women who work in the sex trade are NOT skanky exhibitionists but instead totally sensitive, intelligent bookworms so it's totally okay for us guys to want to bang them.  See the Jeremy/Porn Actress story arc in Sports Night and the Sam/Call Girl arc in The West Wing.


Spoken like someone who doesn't know any sex workers.
 
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