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2013-07-14 11:19:35 AM
Because not everyone has the attention span of a gnat.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2013-07-14 11:23:56 AM
See, soccer fans? You only have 90 minutes with nothing going on to drink beer. You need to play longer chukkers if you ever want to be popular here.
 
2013-07-14 11:25:09 AM
They link to a "new" WSJ article, in spite of the fact this is just a rehash of an article that the WSJ did a couple of years back.  Oh, and:

ITT: Football fans criticize other sports for being boring to watch.
 
2013-07-14 11:33:59 AM

Mike_LowELL: They link to a "new" WSJ article, in spite of the fact this is just a rehash of an article that the WSJ did a couple of years back.  Oh, and:

ITT: Football fans criticize other sports for being boring to watch.


Well, they are:
Basketball - put ball in net
Soccer - put ball in net
Hockey - put puck in net
Golf - put ball in hole

Baseball is different, as is football.
 
2013-07-14 11:35:59 AM
FFS, if action time was all that mattered, we'd all be hockey fans.
 
2013-07-14 11:36:06 AM

Mentat: Because not everyone has the attention span of a gnat.


tl;dr
 
2013-07-14 11:42:36 AM
So a lot like American Football and Golf...
 
2013-07-14 11:45:49 AM
To sum it up: "Stop liking what I don't like!"

Maybe we should have painted hussies jumping around on the sidelines, or people doing victory dances around home plate.  Some ridiculously strained war metaphors might liven things up as well.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2013-07-14 11:49:28 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Maybe we should have painted hussies jumping around on the sidelines


A-Rod's not coming back.
 
2013-07-14 11:50:48 AM

Target Builder: So a lot like American Football and Golf...


American football, iirc, only had around 11 minutes of action.
 
2013-07-14 11:52:25 AM

jbc: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe we should have painted hussies jumping around on the sidelines

A-Rod's not coming back.

 
2013-07-14 11:53:19 AM

Lionel Mandrake: jbc: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe we should have painted hussies jumping around on the sidelines

A-Rod's not coming back.


Dammit...dumped my image...anyway: +1 for you
 
2013-07-14 12:04:46 PM

ThatGuyGreg: FFS, if action time was all that mattered, we'd all be hockey fans.


Action time is only one in a fairly long list of why hockey is the best of all sports.  There really isn't an excuse.
 
2013-07-14 12:44:13 PM

Mike_LowELL: They link to a "new" WSJ article, in spite of the fact this is just a rehash of an article that the WSJ did a couple of years back.  Oh, and:

ITT: Football fans criticize other sports for being boring to watch.


Dude, THIS
 
2013-07-14 12:45:08 PM

SurfaceTension: Target Builder: So a lot like American Football and Golf...

American football, iirc, only had around 11 minutes of action.


zzzzzzzzz
 
2013-07-14 02:36:58 PM
The "Baseball is slow and boring" argument from the people that think Soccer is 90 mins Michael Bay level action-packed excitement
 
2013-07-14 02:38:58 PM
Action? I'm not sure that word means what they think it means.
 
2013-07-14 02:40:17 PM
Football and baseball both have about 15 minutes of actual playing time per game. I love football, I hate baseball.

If baseball could speed up games... like... don't allow the pitcher attempt to pick off a leadoff runner 35 times in a row when the guy is 2 steps off the bag. There's no need to do 4 pitch-outs for an intentional walk, just point to first base or create a signal. A pitcher doesn't need 20 more warmup pitches after pitching 30 in the bullpen. No more stupid catcher-pitcher meetings. Etc.

If baseball could do that, maybe I'd watch. Until then, it's boring as all hell.
 
2013-07-14 02:44:14 PM
Entertainment factor != actual amount of playing time. Perhaps the two are related but there are more important reasons to like a sport. Example: cheerleaders with big bootays!
 
2013-07-14 02:47:05 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Mentat: Because not everyone has the attention span of a gnat.

tl;dr


Heh.

/other than this post, the day I give a f*ck what the Wall St. Journal has to say about baseball is a different day than today.
 
2013-07-14 02:47:09 PM

jake3988: Football and baseball both have about 15 minutes of actual playing time per game. I love football, I hate baseball.

If baseball could speed up games... like... don't allow the pitcher attempt to pick off a leadoff runner 35 times in a row when the guy is 2 steps off the bag. There's no need to do 4 pitch-outs for an intentional walk, just point to first base or create a signal. A pitcher doesn't need 20 more warmup pitches after pitching 30 in the bullpen. No more stupid catcher-pitcher meetings. Etc.

If baseball could do that, maybe I'd watch. Until then, it's boring as all hell.


..and yet despite all that.. and despite time not being a factor at all in baseball, the average baseball game still clocks in under the average football game.

I'm sorry you find those things mentioned particularly boring, but there's a reason for each, it's all part of the sport, and it's not hurting the game..
Know what bores me? Football games having twice the commercials.
 
2013-07-14 02:49:08 PM
Lawnmower racing has the most action.  They don't even make pit stops.  Therefore, lawnmower racing is the best sport.
 
2013-07-14 02:52:39 PM

Rapmaster2000: Lawnmower racing has the most action.  They don't even make pit stops.  Therefore, lawnmower racing is the best sport.


This. Useless metric is useless
 
2013-07-14 02:52:55 PM
I love me some baseball... but one simple rule change would effectively end the "baseball is boring" whining.

Any runner hit with a thrown ball while not touching a base is out.

Best sport ever.
 
2013-07-14 02:55:28 PM
Football only has about 11 minutes.

Baseball and football both run about a 3 hour total but football has many artificial stoppages (TV timeouts, 2 minute warning) while baseball has delays created by players and coaches so pitchers can warm up etc.

Baseball also has timeouts but they have no clock so no one knows why. This may be related to the hockey playoff system where all but the worst two teams go to the playoffs.

But 162 games vs. 16 means that there is a lot more baseball action to see during a season and a lot more of your time to be wasted.

chixdiggit: Entertainment factor != actual amount of playing time.


I enjoy baseball and find plenty to watch between pitches. With football, its absolutely boring when the action stops so it seems like it always stopped. TV endlessly replays each play so you don't get bored. Baseball, somewhat, but it's really not covered that way.

The sports seem to have a tie going when it comes to boring announcers who go on  and on and on about nothing at all.
 
2013-07-14 02:58:30 PM
with such a large sample size of games, it's a stat-geek's dream sport
 
2013-07-14 03:04:22 PM

jbc: See, soccer fans? You only have 90 minutes with nothing going on to drink beer. You need to play longer chukkers if you ever want to be popular here.


Yeah this is the argument they make but to a baseball fan there is more than 18 mins of action just like to soccer fans who believe there is more action than the 30 secs non soccer fans see in any given game.

Doesn't matter, rugby is better.
 
2013-07-14 03:06:27 PM

WTF Indeed: The "Baseball is slow and boring" argument from the people that think Soccer is 90 mins Michael Bay level action-packed excitement


It's not that, it's that most games actually end in 2 hours including halftime (the ones that can tie), not the 3+ hours of many baseball and almost all football games.

/don't hate any of the 3
//don't watch much baseball other than ends of games until well into the playoffs
///don't follow soccer closely beyond USMNT, the daytime games are often the best thing on tv
////watches a lot of sport as something for my eyes to do while listening to music
 
2013-07-14 03:07:36 PM

jake3988: No more stupid catcher-pitcher meetings.


Yes, because what could a pitcher and catcher possibly have to talk about during a game?
 
2013-07-14 03:11:35 PM

The Bestest: Know what bores me? Football games having twice the commercials.


This.

Baseball at least has it in logical places and there are no built in breaks like the two min warning. Like they need more...

Since I've moved abroad I've found myself watching a lot more baseball and a lot less football. I think that has more to do with NFL being on Sundays at 2am for me, so I tend to watch both on tape delay the next day. ESPN America is nice enough to edit out all of the commercial breaks which makes both far more watchable but, in general, football is just one giant commercial that takes far too long. Then again, I only tend to pay attention to baseball after the start of the 7th. But I expect a baseball game to take forever.

/csb,
 
2013-07-14 03:12:06 PM
I watched a chunk of The Ashes over the last several days and can say, without reservation, that cricket fans have more time to drink than everyone else combined.  A great game, and they're doing it again for 45 more days.
 
2013-07-14 03:15:02 PM
Basketball has a shiatload of "action" and it's boring as hell and provides no real reason to get into the game before the last 2 minutes.

We typically watch sports for the "drama" and the "tension"... not the action.
 
2013-07-14 03:22:53 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Basketball has a shiatload of "action" and it's boring as hell and provides no real reason to get into the game before the last 2 minutes.

We typically watch sports for the "drama" and the "tension"... not the action.


Are you telling me that scoring should actually be worth a sh*t?
 
2013-07-14 03:23:28 PM
Why is baseball so popular? In a 3 hour baseball game there is 18 minutes of action, giving fans 2 hours and 42 minutes to drink beer

Dude, you have to give me time to guess. If you're going to quiz me you have to insert a pause.

/Mitch
 
2013-07-14 03:35:10 PM

ten foiled hats: Pray 4 Mojo: Basketball has a shiatload of "action" and it's boring as hell and provides no real reason to get into the game before the last 2 minutes.

We typically watch sports for the "drama" and the "tension"... not the action.

Are you telling me that scoring should actually be worth a sh*t?


I've always wanted to go to a sports bar when there is a big basketball game and jump around and scream every time one team scores...

The problem with that plan is that I'd be in a sports bar with other basketball fans,

Soccer suffers from the opposite problem with scoreless games being common and perfectly acceptable. Football and baseball get it just right (IMO) with about 6-8 "scores" over a 3 hour period.
 
2013-07-14 03:36:41 PM

simplicimus: Mike_LowELL: They link to a "new" WSJ article, in spite of the fact this is just a rehash of an article that the WSJ did a couple of years back.  Oh, and:

ITT: Football fans criticize other sports for being boring to watch.

Well, they are:
Basketball - put ball in net
Soccer - put ball in net
Hockey - put puck in net
Golf - put ball in hole

Baseball is different, as is football.


I couldn't agree more. If you're the type to enjoy the micro-strategerizing, baseball can't be beat.
 
2013-07-14 03:41:42 PM

jake3988: Football and baseball both have about 15 minutes of actual playing time per game. I love football, I hate baseball.

If baseball could speed up games... like... don't allow the pitcher attempt to pick off a leadoff runner 35 times in a row when the guy is 2 steps off the bag. There's no need to do 4 pitch-outs for an intentional walk, just point to first base or create a signal. A pitcher doesn't need 20 more warmup pitches after pitching 30 in the bullpen. No more stupid catcher-pitcher meetings. Etc.

If baseball could do that, maybe I'd watch. Until then, it's boring as all hell.


Theres reasons for all that. E.g., with the intentional walk, the batter is allowed to swing at those pitches so you really can't do that. If the pitcher screws up, the batter could possibly put the ball in play.
 
2013-07-14 03:42:19 PM

edmo: Football only has about 11 minutes.


jake3988: Football and baseball both have about 15 minutes of actual playing time per game. I love football, I hate baseball.


SurfaceTension: American football, iirc, only had around 11 minutes of action.


To anyone who knows the game there is a lot more than 11 minutes, and since most of us over here dont understand soccer there is around 30 secs of action

Pray 4 Mojo: We typically watch sports for the "drama" and the "tension"... not the action.


This sounds like the same argument idiots made after people screamed about the Lost ending, "we watched the show to see character development!!!!" No people watched to see what the farking island really is, just like people watch sports to see their team score and win. Drama and Tension is over rated.
 
2013-07-14 03:45:23 PM

jake3988: Football and baseball both have about 15 minutes of actual playing time per game. I love football, I hate baseball.

If baseball could speed up games... like... don't allow the pitcher attempt to pick off a leadoff runner 35 times in a row when the guy is 2 steps off the bag. There's no need to do 4 pitch-outs for an intentional walk, just point to first base or create a signal. A pitcher doesn't need 20 more warmup pitches after pitching 30 in the bullpen. No more stupid catcher-pitcher meetings. Etc.

If baseball could do that, maybe I'd watch. Until then, it's boring as all hell.


And we've now summed up the only relevant facts.

/end thread
 
2013-07-14 03:48:12 PM

steamingpile: Drama and Tension is over rated.


And yet... there are many successful media industries built solely around drama and tension. Whodathunkit?

/Never watched Lost
//But I still know it was stupid.
 
2013-07-14 03:48:52 PM
Football has a 5 second play about each 45 seconds. That's why they look at 40yd dash times so hard. Heck, golf is nothing more than selling expensive golf stuff to rich people - about ten seconds of excitement in a weekend.
 
2013-07-14 03:59:54 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Soccer suffers from the opposite problem with scoreless games being common and perfectly acceptable.


Different strokes, I guess.  I'm a hockey fan, and some of the best games I've ever seen have been 1-0 2OT games.  I can appreciate soccer, as well.  Basketball, not so much.  (Football, of course, trumps all.)

My problem with baseball is more that I'm a Cubs fan than anything to do with the sport itself.
 
2013-07-14 04:06:00 PM

Mentat: jake3988: No more stupid catcher-pitcher meetings.

Yes, because what could a pitcher and catcher possibly have to talk about during a game?


What to bring to a wedding, what chickens need to be sacrificed. I dunno, I've just always wanted to be in a mound conference.
 
2013-07-14 04:10:33 PM

Angry Buddha: jake3988: Football and baseball both have about 15 minutes of actual playing time per game. I love football, I hate baseball.

If baseball could speed up games... like... don't allow the pitcher attempt to pick off a leadoff runner 35 times in a row when the guy is 2 steps off the bag. There's no need to do 4 pitch-outs for an intentional walk, just point to first base or create a signal. A pitcher doesn't need 20 more warmup pitches after pitching 30 in the bullpen. No more stupid catcher-pitcher meetings. Etc.

If baseball could do that, maybe I'd watch. Until then, it's boring as all hell.

Theres reasons for all that. E.g., with the intentional walk, the batter is allowed to swing at those pitches so you really can't do that. If the pitcher screws up, the batter could possibly put the ball in play.


It also adds to the pitch count, which especially for youth leagues is a huge deal.
 
2013-07-14 04:15:34 PM
Your guess is as good as mine.  I hate baseball.  It's not enjoyable to play, nor is it enjoyable to watch.  For a majority of the time, only 2 people are doing anything while the remainder of both teams watch.  It really is a terrible 'sport'

/soccer player.
 
2013-07-14 04:20:26 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: jake3988: Football and baseball both have about 15 minutes of actual playing time per game. I love football, I hate baseball.

If baseball could speed up games... like... don't allow the pitcher attempt to pick off a leadoff runner 35 times in a row when the guy is 2 steps off the bag. There's no need to do 4 pitch-outs for an intentional walk, just point to first base or create a signal. A pitcher doesn't need 20 more warmup pitches after pitching 30 in the bullpen. No more stupid catcher-pitcher meetings. Etc.

If baseball could do that, maybe I'd watch. Until then, it's boring as all hell.

And we've now summed up the only relevant facts.

/end thread


no more timeouts for the batter.  I don't need to see your ritual of readjusting each batting glove, wristbands, jockstrap, sleeves, helmet after every pitch.  Just get up there and strike out so everyone can go home and do something useful.
 
2013-07-14 04:35:25 PM

greenboy: Your Average Witty Fark User: jake3988: Football and baseball both have about 15 minutes of actual playing time per game. I love football, I hate baseball.

If baseball could speed up games... like... don't allow the pitcher attempt to pick off a leadoff runner 35 times in a row when the guy is 2 steps off the bag. There's no need to do 4 pitch-outs for an intentional walk, just point to first base or create a signal. A pitcher doesn't need 20 more warmup pitches after pitching 30 in the bullpen. No more stupid catcher-pitcher meetings. Etc.

If baseball could do that, maybe I'd watch. Until then, it's boring as all hell.

And we've now summed up the only relevant facts.

/end thread

no more timeouts for the batter.  I don't need to see your ritual of readjusting each batting glove, wristbands, jockstrap, sleeves, helmet after every pitch.  Just get up there and strike out so everyone can go home and do something useful.


From the local sports radio hosts I've heard: The MLB has a 12s timer between pitches. It is not enforced. It also has rules to limit the batter's step outs. Also not enforced.

Enforce rules currently on the books and problem solved.
 
2013-07-14 04:38:13 PM

Deneb81: The MLB has a 12s timer between pitches.


12 seconds from the time the pitcher receives the ball... but only when the bases are unoccupied.

And yes... it's not enforced.
 
2013-07-14 04:40:08 PM

edmo: Football only has about 11 minutes.

Baseball and football both run about a 3 hour total but football has many artificial stoppages (TV timeouts, 2 minute warning) while baseball has delays created by players and coaches so pitchers can warm up etc.

Baseball also has timeouts but they have no clock so no one knows why. This may be related to the hockey playoff system where all but the worst two teams go to the playoffs.

But 162 games vs. 16 means that there is a lot more baseball action to see during a season and a lot more of your time to be wasted.

chixdiggit: Entertainment factor != actual amount of playing time.

I enjoy baseball and find plenty to watch between pitches. With football, its absolutely boring when the action stops so it seems like it always stopped. TV endlessly replays each play so you don't get bored. Baseball, somewhat, but it's really not covered that way.

The sports seem to have a tie going when it comes to boring announcers who go on  and on and on about nothing at all.


If football is 'boring' between snaps, it's likely due to a lack of understanding of what's going on on the field. At least when you're not in a replay or timeout situation. The networks not showing some or a lot of that irritates me to no end - so you have a point there.

That's the way a lot of people see baseball pitching battles. Or soccer mid-field pass-fests. And it's generally a lack of understanding of the situation.

Of course, in the cases of batters taking a timeout every pitch, that's just dull regardless.
 
2013-07-14 04:42:54 PM

The Bestest: jake3988: Football and baseball both have about 15 minutes of actual playing time per game. I love football, I hate baseball.

If baseball could speed up games... like... don't allow the pitcher attempt to pick off a leadoff runner 35 times in a row when the guy is 2 steps off the bag. There's no need to do 4 pitch-outs for an intentional walk, just point to first base or create a signal. A pitcher doesn't need 20 more warmup pitches after pitching 30 in the bullpen. No more stupid catcher-pitcher meetings. Etc.

If baseball could do that, maybe I'd watch. Until then, it's boring as all hell.

..and yet despite all that.. and despite time not being a factor at all in baseball, the average baseball game still clocks in under the average football game.

I'm sorry you find those things mentioned particularly boring, but there's a reason for each, it's all part of the sport, and it's not hurting the game..
Know what bores me? Football games having twice the commercials.


Football has twice the commercials because it has twice the viewership.

Double MLB TV viewership and see what happens to commercials in broadcast.
 
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