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(Huffington Post)   Creeped out by the Zimmerman decision, NAACP invites people to sign a petition for the DOJ to look into civil rights violations. Difficulty: NAACP's website down due to too many people trying to sign the petition   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 441
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2013-07-14 03:43:17 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Oh, please do tell me what race I'm attacking.


Pretty much all of them, except blacks. You've been spouting your nonsense in these threads for quite some time now and everybody knows your game. Either you believe that Zimmerman is guilty of killing a black kid or you're a racist.
 
2013-07-14 03:44:01 PM

KimNorth: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

YOU KNOW MAYBE HE SHOULD ASK WHY IN HIS HOME CHICAGO A BLACK KID IS SHOT EVERY DAY BY ANOTHER BLACK KID!!!!! STUPID!


Did you miss it? Or does he need to shout out every city that has gun violence?
 
2013-07-14 03:44:44 PM

Otto_E_Rodika: 17 year-old teenagers are 50% more likely to commit a murder than 28 year-old adults.

/17 year old boy
//take away all the black murderers and Hispanic murderers in Chicago, and the city would be down to about 12 murders a year (Caucasians make up 3.5% of the murderers)


Well, that explained the stupidity that followed.

Seriously, dude, have you been there? Go visit, hang out, find out what the fark is going on. I did.

And yeah, I'm HOPING they would have recognized that anything that farking ignorant that left my mouth in this day and age would have been in ironic fashion. They would have, scratch that, you're just an ignorant farking teenager.
 
2013-07-14 03:45:38 PM
So what are the odds on Federal hate crime charges being filed Monday after the President's statement on the GZ acquittal? Are we feeling like it's more likely or less likely?

/"We are a nation of laws"? Bullshiat. We are a nation of lawyers.
 
2013-07-14 03:45:53 PM

Carth: That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin


Tell me again, why would we even want to honor a violent, drug-addled racist attempted murderer, Mr. President?

I haven't seen so much apologetics from the left since it turned out that, hey, the Killian Memo did turn out to be fake.

You LIBTARDS are the societal equivalent of the mother who says "My baby ain't never do nothing wrong" after her son finally gets put away for aggravated assault...even though he's been arrested 40 times.
 
2013-07-14 03:46:00 PM

Giltric: El_Perro: Giltric: El_Perro: LemSkroob: El_Perro: I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.

What he said was two things. (1) In FL civil court, its loser pays and (2) In FL, a successful self-defense case, like Zimmerman, is automatically immune, so its simply not going to happen.

See my other response - the mere fact that he was found not guilty after raising a self defense argument does not automatically make him immune. He'd have to seek immunity if and when he is sued. Even O'Mara said, during hos press conference last night, that they will seek immunity if sued.

he said they will seek and receive immunity.

Its basically a done deal. Just a formality of filling out paper work according to FL statute

He said they would seek and get immunity, yes, but that does not mean it is just paperwork.  What statute makes it a formality to get civil immunity with no specific finding of fact that he acted in self defense?  It would take a hearing in the civil case. A hearing that Zimmerman would likely win, but certainly no 'formality'

A not guilty verdict meant there was a justifiable use of force.

If it was not a justifiable use of force Zimmerman would have been guilty of one of the charges.

Justifiable use of force and self defense leads to immunity from civil action.

Georges defense was a self defense claim.


Of course that's true, factually.  Without self-defense, he may have been acquitted of second-degree murder, but he would almost certainly have been convicted of manslaughter.  But, the law simply does not allow judges to read the jury's mind.  To the extent one case can be binding on another, it is only binding to the extent that there is a finding of fact on the particular question at issue.  That's just a basic principle of law.  Here, the jury (as far as I know) made no specific finding re: self-defense.  The fact that everyone knows that they acquitted because of Zimmerman's self defense argument does not mean that, as a procedural matter, the law "knows" it.  Zimmerman would need to seek immunity in a subsequent civil case, and could not rely on the jury's finding here.
 
2013-07-14 03:46:20 PM

Moopy Mac: HotWingConspiracy: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

What's wrong with that?

I'm not sure the best way to honor someone who flaunted possession of illegal firearms is to pass more arduous gun laws.

Is Obama implying that laws should be passed so that people like GZ can't have/carry guns? Or is he just arguing for a societal change of how we interact (with guns)?

Murder rate has been cut in half the last 2 decades anyway. Seems like our society is already on the right path.


What he is saying is we should ignore that fact that almost all gun deaths of blacks are from other blacks but if once in a blue moon a white/latino/jewish man dares defend himself from someone who happens to be black, you a racist hater who is going to prison and will be hunted down like a dog because the rules are different for Obama's people..... I mean really WTF is he thinking commenting on this?! What a freaken idiot!!!
 
2013-07-14 03:46:24 PM
What about George Zimmerman's civil rights? Black people think they own civil rights.

Liberals will always find a way to embarrass themselves. In this case, they just want that large money Zimmerman will be receiving from NBC and CNN that he deserves every penny of.
 
2013-07-14 03:46:44 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Either you believe that Zimmerman is guilty of killing a black kid or you're a racist.


A buddy on mine posted this precise sentence on Facebook last night. She also posted that she should run out and join in any riots that might take place because "whitey has it coming". She also said anyone who disagreed as to Zim's guilt would be swiftly unfriended.

I went ahead and did the unfriending myself.

Now, maybe you didn't follow the trial, but I did. I'm sorry my opinion differs from yours, but that certainly doesn't qualify me as a racist. It qualifies me as someone whose opinion differs from yours.

You and the rest of the baiters can ram it up your ignorant asses.
 
2013-07-14 03:46:51 PM

Funkyourdaughter: Has the NAACP actually done anything lately to advance colored people. Hell if I called some one colored, I'd probably get my ass kicked


You lookin' for an ass kickin', bub?

www.louisvillevisualart.org
 
2013-07-14 03:47:35 PM

Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: Oh, please do tell me what race I'm attacking.

Pretty much all of them, except blacks.


Did I go after the Eskimos? So you really can't demonstrate that I'm a racist.  It's ok, I knew you couldn't.

You've been spouting your nonsense in these threads for quite some time now and everybody knows your game. Either you believe that Zimmerman is guilty of killing a black kid or you're a racist.

No no, that's what you believe other people think. You kind of think like a child.
 
2013-07-14 03:48:03 PM
These damn racist bastards--I mean, they've decided guilt and innocence based on the race alone here. Sad people blinded by their prejudice, really shows their inferior minds.  Hopefully with time and education some of them will be enlightened, but as for most, it will just take time for the fanatics to slowly age and die, ridding the world of their unthinking hate. But Sharpton and Jackson are getting old, hopefully it wont be much longer.
 
2013-07-14 03:48:29 PM
Obama said we should all honor Trayvon Martin,

Most of us don't care to honor a hoodlum. Thanks, champ.
 
2013-07-14 03:48:57 PM

doglover: If you press charges


You do understand that in a criminal matter the state is the one pressing charges, not an individual?

You can decide not to "press charges" but the state can still try the perpetrator if they feel the offense is serious enough and that they have evidence to convict. They can even call you as a witness and compel you to testify under penalty of contempt, as you will not be incriminating yourself. Now admittedly, they don't do it often, but the fact that in a criminal matter the aggrieved party is not the victim of the crime but the state itself kind of demolishes the theoretical basis of your argument.
 
2013-07-14 03:48:59 PM

phenn: Popcorn Johnny: Either you believe that Zimmerman is guilty of killing a black kid or you're a racist.

A buddy on mine posted this precise sentence on Facebook last night. She also posted that she should run out and join in any riots that might take place because "whitey has it coming". She also said anyone who disagreed as to Zim's guilt would be swiftly unfriended.


Sure thing.
 
2013-07-14 03:49:49 PM

iq_in_binary: StoPPeRmobile: Someone sure wants Z-man to be raped in a rapeatorium.

Ah, now I get the joke(?) ;)



Rape is only funny in Mel Brooks movies and George Carlin jokes.
 
2013-07-14 03:49:53 PM
puu.sh
Profiling is bad and if you do it you should feel bad.
 
2013-07-14 03:50:30 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Did I go after the Eskimos?


You are so damn mad, I can feel the heat over here.

i39.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-14 03:51:00 PM

ElLoco: Funkyourdaughter: Has the NAACP actually done anything lately to advance colored people. Hell if I called some one colored, I'd probably get my ass kicked

You lookin' for an ass kickin', bub?

[www.louisvillevisualart.org image 316x307]


Blue and purple with polka dots are the only people I hate.

/does not perform the heimlich maneuver
 
2013-07-14 03:52:13 PM

Otto_E_Rodika: [puu.sh image 688x609]
Profiling is bad and if you do it you should feel bad.


Where the last 1.7%?
 
2013-07-14 03:52:29 PM

Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: Did I go after the Eskimos?

You are so damn mad, I can feel the heat over here.

[i39.tinypic.com image 604x453]


What do you mean? I don't care for violence. You're the one that's upset there isn't a riot.
 
2013-07-14 03:53:29 PM

mgshamster: I've been told there would be riots after Z was found not guilty.  Where are the riots?


The verdict was read on Satdy night, they wuz all to busy gettin' thay drunk on.
 
2013-07-14 03:54:31 PM

barneyfifesbullet: What about George Zimmerman's civil rights? Black people think they own civil rights.

Liberals will always find a way to embarrass themselves. In this case, they just want that large money Zimmerman will be receiving from NBC and CNN that he deserves every penny of.


He won't get a penny.

CNN and NBC aren't idiots. They haven't breathed a word that isn't true. By his own admission, he killed a black unarmed teenager. Now, that's not to say that they didn't raise some outrage, but in order for Zimmerman to claim damage, he literally has to admit that he's racist. HAHA! Good luck. He can't even get out of the country after this case unless he wants to go to places where gringo looking folk like him aren't welcome in the first place in South America or Extradition Treaty free places in the Pacific. Either way, someone would get a bone out of knocking him off.

Were he smart, he'd stay in Florida and use the murder boner cash to buy a mother-in-law lot in the most secure gated community in the area, assuming it was one that watched Glen Beck years ago. If not? Well I'm sure some militia types would love to set up a Zimmerman Militia to defend him.
 
2013-07-14 03:55:58 PM

HotWingConspiracy: What do you mean? I don't care for violence. You're the one that's upset there isn't a riot.


You don't care for violence but have no problems with locking a man up without proof that he committed a crime. Such a farking humanitarian.
 
2013-07-14 03:56:27 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

What's wrong with that?


Martin died over a year ago and he gave a speech about that

So what is he referring to about the "future tragedies like this about" a day after the verdict was read?
 
2013-07-14 03:56:46 PM

HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

YOU KNOW MAYBE HE SHOULD ASK WHY IN HIS HOME CHICAGO A BLACK KID IS SHOT EVERY DAY BY ANOTHER BLACK KID!!!!! STUPID!

Did you miss it? Or does he need to shout out every city that has gun violence?


"how we can prevent future tragedies like this " This is what pissed me off, he should have left out this sentence, but we all know why he put it there, referencing Zimmerman's actions of using a gun "legally" to defend himself. No I did not miss it.
 
2013-07-14 03:57:08 PM
I've been sitting up here watching the doings around this.  I could have told yu all the riot talk was bullshiat.  People are too farking lazy to riot.  They'll tweet, they'll blog, they'll even post on Fark and Reddit... but they won't go out in the streets and riot.  It's no fun, unless you're in a large group who are all doing it, like a Seattle WTO protest march.  In those, people have already gotten up off their fat asses.

So... yeah.  It's America, in a nutshell.  Slacktivism.  Online petitions.  biatching on websites.  No real action.

America.  F*ck Yeah.
 
2013-07-14 03:57:22 PM
FTFA: "The Department of Justice has closely monitored the State of Florida's prosecution of the case against George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin murder since it began," the petition said. "The most fundamental of civil rights - the right to life - was violated the night George Zimmerman stalked and then took the life of Trayvon Martin," the appeal goes on."

Not to be that asshole, as I usually try not to be, but this is one instance where I need to be. In 2012, African-Americans constituted roughly half of murder victims in the United States, at somewhere around 6,000 deaths. I'd reckon over 90% of the murderers of these African-Americans were of that same ethnic/racial group.

The general position of the NAACP in wanting the DOJ to hit Zimmerman with civil rights charges is that he used racial profiling to single out and follow Martin. However, this does not fit well with the above statement. You can't say that the ultimate civil rights violation is murder, then want a guy charged with civil rights violations for racial profiling, especially when the number one killer of young black men like Martin is other young black men. If that's the ultimate civil rights violation, then the NAACP has quite a few more petitions to file on behalf of victims of black-on-black murders.
 
2013-07-14 03:57:26 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: Did I go after the Eskimos?

You are so damn mad, I can feel the heat over here.

[i39.tinypic.com image 604x453]

What do you mean? I don't care for violence. You're the one that's upset there isn't a riot.




www.rudysarzo.com
 
2013-07-14 03:58:07 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: BunkyBrewman: He was found not guilty by a jury of his peers.

/yes, it's that simple regardless of one's feelings on the case

Quoting for anybody who might have missed this.


and your opinion of OJ is?
 
2013-07-14 03:58:22 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: HotWingConspiracy: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

What's wrong with that?

Martin died over a year ago and he gave a speech about that

So what is he referring to about the "future tragedies like this about" a day after the verdict was read?


The first sentence offers some context. It's almost like you endeavor to not understand things.
 
2013-07-14 03:58:46 PM
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2013-07-14 03:59:31 PM

Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: What do you mean? I don't care for violence. You're the one that's upset there isn't a riot.

You don't care for violence but have no problems with locking a man up without proof that he committed a crime. Such a farking humanitarian.


Thanks, racist.
 
2013-07-14 04:00:34 PM

Tumunga: [i140.photobucket.com image 750x600]




About time. We have been waiting for you.
 
2013-07-14 04:01:31 PM

KimNorth: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

YOU KNOW MAYBE HE SHOULD ASK WHY IN HIS HOME CHICAGO A BLACK KID IS SHOT EVERY DAY BY ANOTHER BLACK KID!!!!! STUPID!

Did you miss it? Or does he need to shout out every city that has gun violence?

"how we can prevent future tragedies like this " This is what pissed me off, he should have left out this sentence, but we all know why he put it there, referencing Zimmerman's actions of using a gun "legally" to defend himself. No I did not miss it.


People getting shot is a tragedy for both shooter and shootee. Unless you're telling me that Zimmerman took some joy in the act.
 
2013-07-14 04:02:04 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Thanks, racist.


i54.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-14 04:03:55 PM

Lionel Mandrake: *yawn*

I just woke up...are America's urban neighborhoods flaming hulks of violent destruction yet?

...I was assured by many FARKers that the "race lords" and the Black Panthers were going to be lynching crackers all night...did I miss the action?


At least 3 separate marches in California, in Oakland destruction of property including a police car, over 100 arrested...not exactly the peaceful protests that they claimed were going on, and not the massive riots people claimed would happen...also the reports in Florida were that there were "mostly" no problems.
 
2013-07-14 04:04:04 PM

Tumunga: [i140.photobucket.com image 750x600]


That.

With the verdict in I had hope I'd be able to turn on the new and actually find out what important things are going on in the world. Nope. Now comes the post-verdict interviews with family members and whoever else they can bring on to continue the sensationalist bullshiat. When flipping through the channels I saw CNN advertising that their morning show tomorrow will discuss the "importance" of the case. Our pathetic excuses for new organizations are going to beat that horse into glue in the hope of getting ratings.
 
2013-07-14 04:05:22 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Unless you're telling me that Zimmerman took some joy in the act.


joy - the emotion evoked by well-being, success, or good fortune or by the prospect of possessing what one desires

Zim was successful in stopping Trayvon's assault
Zim had good fortune that he was able to stop Trayvon's assault
Zim certainly desired to stop Trayvon's assault

I guess you could say he took some joy.
 
2013-07-14 04:05:54 PM
I can confirm there were no riots in the midwest. Corn fields still standing. I think everything is going to be ok.
 
2013-07-14 04:06:12 PM

OhioUGrad: At least 3 separate marches in California, in Oakland destruction of property including a police car, over 100 arrested...not exactly the peaceful protests that they claimed were going on, and not the massive riots people claimed would happen...also the reports in Florida were that there were "mostly" no problems.


That's what we call a typical Tuesday in Oakland ;)

There were much larger peaceful protests going on at the same time, but Oakland has a strong asshole contingent that just wants any excuse to break shiat up.
 
2013-07-14 04:06:48 PM

Boojum2k: The Muthaship: He's immune from civil liability if they found him not guilty based on self defense.

That won't stop that moron Crump from filing though.

How the hell did Crump become a lawyer anyway?


Affirmative Action.
 
2013-07-14 04:06:50 PM

Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: Unless you're telling me that Zimmerman took some joy in the act.

joy - the emotion evoked by well-being, success, or good fortune or by the prospect of possessing what one desires

Zim was successful in stopping Trayvon's assault
Zim had good fortune that he was able to stop Trayvon's assault
Zim certainly desired to stop Trayvon's assault

I guess you could say he took some joy.


That's a really disgusting smear against Zimmerman, are you racist against hispanics?
 
2013-07-14 04:06:56 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Otto_E_Rodika: [puu.sh image 688x609]
Profiling is bad and if you do it you should feel bad.

Where the last 1.7%?


That's Zimmerman. All by himself.

He's that bad.
 
2013-07-14 04:11:15 PM

iq_in_binary: CNN and NBC aren't idiots. They haven't breathed a word that isn't true.


NBC selectively edited the recording of the non-emergency call to make Zimmerman appear more racist. Specifically, they edited out the portion of the non-emergency 911 tapes where Noffke the non-emergency dispatcher asked Zimmerman "what race is he" so it sounded like Zimmerman said "this guy is on drugs or something, looks like he's up to no good... he looks black" even though he was asked by Noffke about Martin's race. NBC is also the channel that pushed the story that the statement Zimmerman made under his breath - "farking punks," a statement that even the prosecution agreed to at trial - was, in fact, "farking coons."

So actually, NBC has aired quite a bit on Zimmerman that isn't true, and he has good grounds for a lawsuit.

CNN aired his social security number during the trial. Zimmerman has less of a case here, as the SSN wasn't originally redacted by the court, and the airing of his SSN seems largely inadvertent on CNN's part.

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2013-07-14 04:11:31 PM

olddinosaur: It is not a well known fact, but the Department of "Justice" also sent people to Florida to organize anti--Zimmerman protests---further enflaming an already heated lynch mob atmosphere---and this was done with taxpayer money.

I would say Eric Holder has some mighty hard questions to answer on this one---and so does Comrade Obsamavich.


If what you claim is not "well known", then by what means did you receive the information?
 
2013-07-14 04:11:34 PM
I am shocked that people think if you get in a fight, you have the right to kill someone with a gun. That is the most absurd concept I have ever heard. This seems to be the crux of the divide.
 
2013-07-14 04:12:18 PM
The thing that went wrong with the Zimmerman case: waiting 44 days to arrest him for homicide. And all because of FL's brand new SYG law.

Let it go & work on fixing that law.
 
2013-07-14 04:13:00 PM

HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

YOU KNOW MAYBE HE SHOULD ASK WHY IN HIS HOME CHICAGO A BLACK KID IS SHOT EVERY DAY BY ANOTHER BLACK KID!!!!! STUPID!

Did you miss it? Or does he need to shout out every city that has gun violence?

"how we can prevent future tragedies like this " This is what pissed me off, he should have left out this sentence, but we all know why he put it there, referencing Zimmerman's actions of using a gun "legally" to defend himself. No I did not miss it.

People getting shot is a tragedy for both shooter and shootee. Unless you're telling me that Zimmerman took some joy in the act.


Look Obama should have never said to honor trayvon as to give credence to him be an without fault in this and not the aggressor. Obama was not there just like we were not he should have not commented the first time with if I had a son and his statement this time was way wrong...
 
2013-07-14 04:14:18 PM
SarcasticFark's Guide to Fixing Race Relations:

1.  Disband the NAACP.
2.  Drop Jackson and Sharpton on a desert island with no ability to contact the outside world.
3.  Profit.
 
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