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(Huffington Post)   Creeped out by the Zimmerman decision, NAACP invites people to sign a petition for the DOJ to look into civil rights violations. Difficulty: NAACP's website down due to too many people trying to sign the petition   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 441
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2013-07-14 02:56:03 PM  
So for all those who think justice was not served in the TM/DZ case......

Would you like to change our legal system so the burden of proof that the state has to present is lower than it is now?


Are you cool with that lower burden of proof affecting, Blacks, Hispanic and Whites equally?
 
2013-07-14 02:56:43 PM  

Carth: indylaw: hasty ambush: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x317]

Have there been riots in the last 24 hours?

Just some localized vandalism at protests. Nothing that amounts to riots.


Vandalism in Sanford implies that Sanford can be made more ugly through the application of human will. That's a hell of an assumption.
 
2013-07-14 02:56:57 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: swfan: Abox: Protip: that meme is better without the words. Sorry, I'm a casual fark reader, so my meme-fu is quite weak and underdeveloped.  I shall return to lurking...

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Amateur tip:  that meme is better with words.

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2013-07-14 02:57:10 PM  
Picking fights with strangers? If im being followed and harassed by a stranger Im going to intercept them. Following someone in a menacing manner is just as reasonable a reason for claiming self defense as anything Zimmerman had. He was the one pursuing Martin, so how is Martin the aggressor again?

cptjeff:
BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois

And people wonder why everybody thinks Zimmerman's defenders are racists.
 
2013-07-14 02:58:44 PM  
A petition for mob justice? Sign me up. I love a justice system based on popular opinion.
 
2013-07-14 02:58:52 PM  

INeedAName: BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois

Because people that make poor choices at 17 never amount to anything?

Wait, I get it. He's 17 AND black, so he can't amount to anything. Sorry. Forget to add in your latent racism.


On the flip side, you aren't free of the consequences of your stupid actions at 17 either.
 
2013-07-14 02:59:40 PM  

doglover: Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.

This Floors Me. Florida is one of the dumbest states, and yet they have awesome legislation like this on the books?

Imagine, for a minute, if more species of lawsuits worked this way. You sue someone. You have to pay for EVERYTHING up front out of pocket. This would absolutely kill industries like patent trolls. It would be cheap as free to fight them, because it would be on their dime. And no one would ever settle, because any money is more expensive than free.

And quite frankly, civil lawsuits should be trumped by criminal ones. If you press charges, you should forfeit the right to sue. If you sue, you forfeit the right to press charges. It would remove the double jeopardy loop hole we've got goin' on how.


1) Individuals do not press charges, the state files charges.

2) You are misusing the words "double jeopardy" and "loop hole".

3) Notwithstanding your fundamental misunderstanding of our criminal justice system (see #1), you are advocating for a system where if someone punches you in the nose, that person can either be charged with assault OR you can recover medical and other costs from them, but not both.

The only possible "double jeopardy loop hole" (which isn't even a loophole, but rather intentional) is the potential that a person will be tried for the same crime by both state and federal authorities. Currently the USDOJ has a policy in place where it will not pursue the same charges on a federal level if a person is adjudicated on the state level absence of bribery or similar malfeasance.
 
2013-07-14 02:59:40 PM  

Treygreen13: A petition for mob justice? Sign me up. I love a justice system based on popular opinion.


I prefer a system based on internet polls.
 
2013-07-14 03:00:19 PM  

Alathea: Picking fights with strangers? If im being followed and harassed by a stranger Im going to intercept them. Following someone in a menacing manner is just as reasonable a reason for claiming self defense as anything Zimmerman had. He was the one pursuing Martin, so how is Martin the aggressor again?

cptjeff: BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois

And people wonder why everybody thinks Zimmerman's defenders are racists.



According to testimony by the states witness, Trayvon made it to his fathers backyard.

His body was found 300 feet away.

Trayvon  started a new confrontation once he got away by doubling back and stalking Zimmerman.

You can not leave a situation fearing for your life and then put yourself back in the situation once you get away.

The clock gets reset once you do that and legalities change.
 
2013-07-14 03:01:14 PM  

indylaw: Carth: indylaw: hasty ambush: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x317]

Have there been riots in the last 24 hours?

Just some localized vandalism at protests. Nothing that amounts to riots.

Vandalism in Sanford implies that Sanford can be made more ugly through the application of human will. That's a hell of an assumption.


It was in actually Oakland that turned violent. But i think your point might still stand.

Some pictures
 
2013-07-14 03:02:13 PM  

Otto_E_Rodika: 17 year-old teenagers are 50% more likely to commit a murder than 28 year-old adults.

/17 year old boy
//take away all the black murderers and Hispanic murderers in Chicago, and the city would be down to about 12 murders a year (Caucasians make up 3.5% of the murderers)


Yes... well... remember it is wrong to profile people, even if they are more likely to commit crimes. If you do some white college students will get upset and call you a bigot.
 
2013-07-14 03:02:28 PM  

Pribar: El_Perro: Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.

I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.

See that's not the problem, in Florida if you are found not guilty in a criminal trial on self defense grounds it automatically bars a civil suit so the only way Martins family can go is to file in federal court, which is extremely hard to do since the relevant federal statutes are mainly geared toward violations by people in authority not individual citizens. They may get a suit going in federal court but it will be a uphill climb.


Zimmerman did not exercise his right to a pre-trial immunity hearing, and (as far as I know) the jury made no specific finding of fact that Zimmerman acted in self defense. Accordingly, there is no finding from Zimmerman's criminal trial that would immunize him from a civil suit. He could, of course, ask for an immunity hearing of and when he is sued, but that hearing would have the civil preponderance of the evidence standard.  He would have an excellent chance of winning that hearing, but, as I said, I don't thing it's a slam dunk either way.
 
2013-07-14 03:02:31 PM  
A civil rights organization is using a civil rights organization to violate the civil rights of another.

Inception or ironic?

Bonus: Zimmerman is a "colored person". They're going to advance his ass right to the gallows.
 
2013-07-14 03:03:33 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Treygreen13: A petition for mob justice? Sign me up. I love a justice system based on popular opinion.

I prefer a system based on internet polls.


I sort of hope they get 50 million signatures so we have an email database of people that will buy anything. They could sell it and make millions.
 
2013-07-14 03:03:48 PM  

WTFDYW: You have been in a coma haven't you. Either that or you are a troll. If that is the case, you get NO points.


You may wish to re-read my statement in full.
 
2013-07-14 03:05:47 PM  

o5iiawah: gfid: What are you talking about?  There weren't even any black people on the jury

So you're asserting that blacks judge guilt or innocence based on race alone?  There's no bigotry like soft bigotry.


notsureifserious

Did you read the rest of my post?

it was a black person on either CBS or ABC that claimed that.
 
2013-07-14 03:06:01 PM  

Alathea: Picking fights with strangers? If im being followed and harassed by a stranger Im going to intercept them. Following someone in a menacing manner is just as reasonable a reason for claiming self defense as anything Zimmerman had. He was the one pursuing Martin, so how is Martin the aggressor again?


The thing I can't figure out is, Martin having a cell phone and apparently a decent amount of time (four minutes, according to the lawyer types), why didn't he just call the police and report the creepy guy following him?  If someone's following me, I am absolutely NOT going to confront him unless I have no possible avenue of escape.  You never know when someone has a weapon or is unbalanced.  Discretion really is the better part of valor.

The flip side of that coin is, if I see a suspicious person in my neighborhood, I might follow them from a distance in my car and call the police, but I'm sure as hell not getting out to track him on foot.
 
2013-07-14 03:06:10 PM  

El_Perro: Zimmerman did not exercise his right to a pre-trial immunity hearing, and (as far as I know) the jury made no specific finding of fact that Zimmerman acted in self defense. Accordingly, there is no finding from Zimmerman's criminal trial that would immunize him from a civil suit. He could, of course, ask for an immunity hearing of and when he is sued, but that hearing would have the civil preponderance of the evidence standard. He would have an excellent chance of winning that hearing, but, as I said, I don't thing it's a slam dunk either way.


MOM claimed during the press conference that this verdict puts them in the immunity from civil trial category.

I do not know who I should believe....a lawyer practicing law in Florida and winning the not guilty verdict, or white college students who smell of body odor and pachooli with nasty natty dreads on their head.
 
2013-07-14 03:06:38 PM  

LemSkroob: El_Perro: I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.

What he said was two things. (1) In FL civil court, its loser pays and (2) In FL, a successful self-defense case, like Zimmerman, is automatically immune, so its simply not going to happen.

See

my other response - the mere fact that he was found not guilty after raising a self defense argument does not automatically make him immune. He'd have to seek immunity if and when he is sued. Even O'Mara said, during hos press conference last night, that they will seek immunity if sued.
 
2013-07-14 03:07:08 PM  

Carth: It was in actually Oakland that turned violent. But i think your point might still stand.

Some pictures


Burning a flag at McDonalds?!

Oh. My. God. It just simply doesn't get any more American than that.

/U S A, U S A!
 
2013-07-14 03:07:13 PM  

Pete_T_Mann: Otto_E_Rodika: 17 year-old teenagers are 50% more likely to commit a murder than 28 year-old adults.

/17 year old boy
//take away all the black murderers and Hispanic murderers in Chicago, and the city would be down to about 12 murders a year (Caucasians make up 3.5% of the murderers)

Yes... well... remember it is wrong to profile people, even if they are more likely to commit crimes. If you do some white college students will get upset and call you a bigot.


Oh...it's ok to profile people again? I thought that stopped being cool after that IRS thing.
 
2013-07-14 03:08:03 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: swfan: Abox: Protip: that meme is better without the words. Sorry, I'm a casual fark reader, so my meme-fu is quite weak and underdeveloped.  I shall return to lurking...

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I keed.


So mean.  Fark hurt my feelings.
 
2013-07-14 03:08:16 PM  

El_Perro: LemSkroob: El_Perro: I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.

What he said was two things. (1) In FL civil court, its loser pays and (2) In FL, a successful self-defense case, like Zimmerman, is automatically immune, so its simply not going to happen.

See my other response - the mere fact that he was found not guilty after raising a self defense argument does not automatically make him immune. He'd have to seek immunity if and when he is sued. Even O'Mara said, during hos press conference last night, that they will seek immunity if sued.


And if he gets immunity whoever brought the case before the court would be responsible for his legal fees for the immunity trial.
 
2013-07-14 03:09:24 PM  

ElLoco: Carth: It was in actually Oakland that turned violent. But i think your point might still stand.

Some pictures

Burning a flag at McDonalds?!

Oh. My. God. It just simply doesn't get any more American than that.

/U S A, U S A!


Plus it was likely a bunch of anarchist douches in Berkeley that started that. They did the same thing when people were protesting that BART cop that shot that black guy.
 
2013-07-14 03:09:37 PM  
Funny how it's acceptable for black people to go running to the NAACP over this verdict, but when OJ was found innocent they were celebrating and laughing in white people's faces and us white folks did not have an organization like NAACP to go running to mommy like these asshats are. Suck it up like the white people had to do for OJ. Black people always go running to someone and crying racism at the drop of the hat when they don't get their way. And then people wonder why I don't like black people.
 
2013-07-14 03:09:46 PM  
There are three likely possibilities:

Possibility #1:  The NAACP website really sucks.

Possibility #2:  There are a lot of really stupid people out there.

Possibility #3:  A combination of Possibility #1 and Possibility #2.

My money is on Possibility #3.
 
2013-07-14 03:10:05 PM  

Slaxl: Bigdogdaddy: He was found not guilty.  I didn't agree with it, but that's the way our system works.

But he killed him in self defence, so not guilty on those grounds makes perfect sense. Doesn't it? Or is it more that you would say that killing in self defence is still killing and thus he should have gone to jail anyway? 

Being foreign I haven't paid close attention to this case, so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems pretty clear he was being assaulted, and probably a few head bashes on the pavement away from death himself, and he shot the guy. Does it really matter that he called the police to report him looking suspicious? That doesn't make him a racist, if anything given Martin's reaction it makes him perceptive.

Now, if Zimmerman had harrassed Martin, to the point where he went over and instigated the fight which he ended up losing and having to use his gun then exhoneration would be clearly wrong, but that would have come out in court if it were the case. So it seems to me rather clear, and fair, that Zimmerman was cleared, and why. Am I missing key facts?


You seem to have all the facts down. Unfortunately the sequence of events are one sided, but they are the facts. Anyone telling you otherwise is filling in their own blanks and connecting the dots to form the picture they want.

Zimmerman saw someone acting suspiciously.
Called police.
Followed suspicious individual.
A confrontation ensued and a fight ouccured.
During that fight zimmerman sustained injuries.
His injuries and eyewitness testimony supported his scenario of events for selfdefense.
 
2013-07-14 03:10:11 PM  

Giltric: El_Perro: Zimmerman did not exercise his right to a pre-trial immunity hearing, and (as far as I know) the jury made no specific finding of fact that Zimmerman acted in self defense. Accordingly, there is no finding from Zimmerman's criminal trial that would immunize him from a civil suit. He could, of course, ask for an immunity hearing of and when he is sued, but that hearing would have the civil preponderance of the evidence standard. He would have an excellent chance of winning that hearing, but, as I said, I don't thing it's a slam dunk either way.

MOM claimed during the press conference that this verdict puts them in the immunity from civil trial category.

I do not know who I should believe....a lawyer practicing law in Florida and winning the not guilty verdict, or white college students who smell of body odor and pachooli with nasty natty dreads on their head.


I'm a great judge of people. I think you should trust Fark poster EL PERRO over the attorneys in the matter of Florida statutes.
 
2013-07-14 03:10:41 PM  
in the 17 months or whatever since this incident happened how many 17 year old black males have been killed by other black males and why is no one up in arms and outraged about that?
 
2013-07-14 03:11:07 PM  

El_Perro: LemSkroob: El_Perro: I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.

What he said was two things. (1) In FL civil court, its loser pays and (2) In FL, a successful self-defense case, like Zimmerman, is automatically immune, so its simply not going to happen.

See my other response - the mere fact that he was found not guilty after raising a self defense argument does not automatically make him immune. He'd have to seek immunity if and when he is sued. Even O'Mara said, during hos press conference last night, that they will seek immunity if sued.


he said they will seek and receive immunity.

Its basically a done deal. Just a formality of filling out paper work according to FL statute.
 
2013-07-14 03:11:34 PM  

Proximuscentauri: Great. Now that this pathetic distraction is all over, you goddamned idiots can pay attention to what matters.

NSA

ISDAfix

LIBOR

Drop your political parties and get a farking clue.


lolrite. The media will throw another non-issue and blow it out of proportion so the masses have something new to be outraged about while our corporate and government overlords keep hording power and wealth bit by bit in the background.
 
2013-07-14 03:11:43 PM  

swfan: The thing I can't figure out is, Martin having a cell phone and apparently a decent amount of time (four minutes, according to the lawyer types), why didn't he just call the police and report the creepy guy following him?


Because regardless of what some want you to believe, Martin was not afraid.
 
2013-07-14 03:12:17 PM  

plmyfngr: in the 17 months or whatever since this incident happened how many 17 year old black males have been killed by other black males and why is no one up in arms and outraged about that?


They are. It just isn't as sexy for TV ratings like this was.
 
2013-07-14 03:12:54 PM  

plmyfngr: in the 17 months or whatever since this incident happened how many 17 year old black males have been killed by other black males and why is no one up in arms and outraged about that?


Bill Cosby probably is but he is an Uncle Tom for his opinion.
 
2013-07-14 03:13:07 PM  
Fark racists are pretty sad about not getting their race war.
 
2013-07-14 03:13:19 PM  

Rapmaster2000: StoPPeRmobile: swfan: Abox: Protip: that meme is better without the words. Sorry, I'm a casual fark reader, so my meme-fu is quite weak and underdeveloped.  I shall return to lurking...

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 300x170]

I keed.

Amateur tip:  that meme is better with words.

[i1.kym-cdn.com image 299x156]




www.legendisland.com
 
2013-07-14 03:13:24 PM  

indylaw: hasty ambush: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x317]

Have there been riots in the last 24 hours?


it has only been 12 hour since the verdict was read.
 
2013-07-14 03:13:47 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-14 03:14:43 PM  

Giltric: El_Perro: LemSkroob: El_Perro: I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.

What he said was two things. (1) In FL civil court, its loser pays and (2) In FL, a successful self-defense case, like Zimmerman, is automatically immune, so its simply not going to happen.

See my other response - the mere fact that he was found not guilty after raising a self defense argument does not automatically make him immune. He'd have to seek immunity if and when he is sued. Even O'Mara said, during hos press conference last night, that they will seek immunity if sued.

he said they will seek and receive immunity.

Its basically a done deal. Just a formality of filling out paper work according to FL statute.


metrouk2.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-14 03:16:53 PM  
Remember, if you are a neighborhood watch captain, and you see suspicious activity that may be related to a recent rash of break-ins, you are not allowed to pursue it if the perp is black...unless you are also black. Because it is about race, and not about law and order.

I also think when white cops arrest blacks, it's a violation of the Geneva Convention.
 
2013-07-14 03:17:19 PM  

LtDarkstar: Funny how it's acceptable for black people to go running to the NAACP over this verdict, but when OJ was found innocent they were celebrating and laughing in white people's faces and us white folks did not have an organization like NAACP to go running to mommy like these asshats are. Suck it up like the white people had to do for OJ. Black people always go running to someone and crying racism at the drop of the hat when they don't get their way. And then people wonder why I don't like black people.


It's not really a mystery. You racists aren't terribly clever.
 
2013-07-14 03:18:19 PM  

Carth: indylaw: Carth: indylaw: hasty ambush: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x317]

Have there been riots in the last 24 hours?

Just some localized vandalism at protests. Nothing that amounts to riots.

Vandalism in Sanford implies that Sanford can be made more ugly through the application of human will. That's a hell of an assumption.

It was in actually Oakland that turned violent. But i think your point might still stand.

Some pictures


To be fair that is a normal Friday-Saturday night in Oakland.....
 
2013-07-14 03:18:41 PM  

KimNorth: indylaw: hasty ambush: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x317]

Have there been riots in the last 24 hours?

it has only been 12 hour since the verdict was read.


about 17 1/2. At any rate, what's the likelihood that people are going to hear the verdict, get upset, go home, sleep, wake up in the morning, go about there day for several hours and then, at 3 in the afternoon, say "Let's burn some shiat!"?
 
2013-07-14 03:19:06 PM  

El_Perro: Pribar: El_Perro: Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.

I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.

See that's not the problem, in Florida if you are found not guilty in a criminal trial on self defense grounds it automatically bars a civil suit so the only way Martins family can go is to file in federal court, which is extremely hard to do since the relevant federal statutes are mainly geared toward violations by people in authority not individual citizens. They may get a suit going in federal court but it will be a uphill climb.

Zimmerman did not exercise his right to a pre-trial immunity hearing, and (as far as I know) the jury made no specific finding of fact that Zimmerman acted in self defense. Accordingly, there is no finding from Zimmerman's criminal trial that would immunize him from a civil suit. He could, of course, ask for an immunity hearing of and when he is sued, but that hearing would have the civil preponderance of the evidence standard.  He would have an excellent chance of winning that hearing, but, as I said, I don't thing it's a slam dunk either way.


Self defense was the only verdict that would have lead to Not Guilty.  Zimmerman admitted to shooting.  That was not in argument.  To lose Manslaughter, self defense would have to have been ruled...
 
2013-07-14 03:19:53 PM  

swfan: Abox: Protip: that meme is better without the words.

Sorry, I'm a casual fark reader, so my meme-fu is quite weak and underdeveloped.  I shall return to lurking...


It's okay, the people that think image macros are memes are the ones in the wrong.
Reddit and all that.
 
2013-07-14 03:19:58 PM  

varmitydog: [moonbattery.com image 500x500]
The dude made saint faster than the pope. But what were his miracles?


He turned a mixed race man into a white supremest.

That's one.  We need two more.
 
2013-07-14 03:20:06 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Fark racists are pretty sad about not getting their race war.


Face it dude, you were wrong about everything you said about this case.
 
2013-07-14 03:21:29 PM  

SevenizGud: Remember, if you are a neighborhood watch captain, and you see suspicious activity that may be related to a recent rash of break-ins, you are not allowed to pursue it if the perp is black...unless you are also black. Because it is about race, and not about law and order.

I also think when white cops arrest blacks, it's a violation of the Geneva Convention.


Not for nothing, but most neighborhood watch folks wouldn't do something this astoundingly stupid and have said he basically did everything wrong. If you find yourself on trial for your watch duties, you've kind of ruined your purpose.
 
2013-07-14 03:22:27 PM  

OgreMagi: varmitydog: [moonbattery.com image 500x500]
The dude made saint faster than the pope. But what were his miracles?

He turned a mixed race man into a white supremest.

That's one.  We need two more.




t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-14 03:22:29 PM  

Giltric: El_Perro: LemSkroob: El_Perro: I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.

What he said was two things. (1) In FL civil court, its loser pays and (2) In FL, a successful self-defense case, like Zimmerman, is automatically immune, so its simply not going to happen.

See my other response - the mere fact that he was found not guilty after raising a self defense argument does not automatically make him immune. He'd have to seek immunity if and when he is sued. Even O'Mara said, during hos press conference last night, that they will seek immunity if sued.

he said they will seek and receive immunity.

Its basically a done deal. Just a formality of filling out paper work according to FL statute


He said they would seek and get immunity, yes, but that does not mean it is just paperwork.  What statute makes it a formality to get civil immunity with no specific finding of fact that he acted in self defense?  It would take a hearing in the civil case. A hearing that Zimmerman would likely win, but certainly no 'formality'
 
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