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(Huffington Post)   Creeped out by the Zimmerman decision, NAACP invites people to sign a petition for the DOJ to look into civil rights violations. Difficulty: NAACP's website down due to too many people trying to sign the petition   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 441
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2013-07-14 02:10:56 PM  
I'm a liberal Democrat and see a lot of news stories which scream civil rights violations.  Lots of bad cops, lots of guys with racist motives.  I can see a good chance for a racist motive in this case.  I don't know if I have read enough about the argument for a Federal case.  On  the surface it seems that the state did this right.   I don't feel compelled to disagree with the verdict yet.   I need more time and information.    I know we have a justice system that is corrupt and unfair, but this was in the bright sunlight of direct coverage and seems truly legit at this point. (which I have not yet seen, so maybe I'm just ignorant)
 
2013-07-14 02:10:59 PM  
Creeped out by the Zimmerman decision, NAACP invites people to sign a petition for the DOJ to look into civil rights violations. Difficulty: NAACP's website down due to too many people trying to sign the petition

Interesting justice system you have Americans. If you don't like the verdict...you know, decided by 12 people who heard the evidence....you just say "screw it". Let's hang 'em anyhow. First, let's burn sh*t down and hurt other people because...well f*ck it. Let's just burn sh*t down.

Isn't that the kind of silly sh*t you're always accusing countries like North Korea and Iran of?

Taliban American. Doing justice the vigilante way ----
 
2013-07-14 02:11:27 PM  

sheep snorter: So according to the jury's moronic result of the case...... We can get out of our cars and stalk and then murder a black kid because he looked suspicious.

/Providing you are white enough, that is.
//Oh and state that when you confronted him, the kid tried to stand his ground to get your cracker ass from stalking him.
//But we all know that stand your ground is only for frightened paranoid loser white people to use.


Please reference the evidence indicating that Mr. Trayvon Martin experienced a reasonable fear of imminent death, grievous bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual assault prior to his attacking Mr. Zimmerman.
 
2013-07-14 02:12:53 PM  

vartian: BravadoGT: He was a thug who sucker punched another man and tried to do worse.  He was bangin', just like his old man, "Crippin All Time"

fark you, you disgusting piece of shiat.


Ah, the reasoned discourse of the left.  How unexpected!
 
2013-07-14 02:13:23 PM  
It's a tough case for the race baiters. Zimmerman is a Hispanic guy with a Jewish name and light skin. How to keep the hate alive?

But the rave baiters keep trying. And pretty much succeed except at the trial.
 
2013-07-14 02:13:39 PM  

Dimensio: sheep snorter: So according to the jury's moronic result of the case...... We can get out of our cars and stalk and then murder a black kid because he looked suspicious.

/Providing you are white enough, that is.
//Oh and state that when you confronted him, the kid tried to stand his ground to get your cracker ass from stalking him.
//But we all know that stand your ground is only for frightened paranoid loser white people to use.

Please reference the evidence indicating that Mr. Trayvon Martin experienced a reasonable fear of imminent death, grievous bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual assault prior to his attacking Mr. Zimmerman.


The fact that he ran away? Does that work for you?

The acquittal doesn't change what happened.
 
2013-07-14 02:13:56 PM  

vartian: BravadoGT: He was a thug who sucker punched another man and tried to do worse.  He was bangin', just like his old man, "Crippin All Time"

fark you, you disgusting piece of shiat.


PERSONAL ATTACK!
 
2013-07-14 02:14:31 PM  

sheep snorter: So according to the jury's moronic result of the case...... We can get out of our cars and stalk and then murder a black kid because he looked suspicious.

/Providing you are white enough, that is.
//Oh and state that when you confronted him, the kid tried to stand his ground to get your cracker ass from stalking him.
//But we all know that stand your ground is only for frightened paranoid loser white people to use.


Please reference the evidence indicating that Mr. Trayvon Martin experienced a reasonable fear of imminent death, grievous bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual assault prior to his attacking Mr. Zimmerman.

Slaxl: Bigdogdaddy: He was found not guilty.  I didn't agree with it, but that's the way our system works.

But he killed him in self defence, so not guilty on those grounds makes perfect sense. Doesn't it? Or is it more that you would say that killing in self defence is still killing and thus he should have gone to jail anyway?
Being foreign I haven't paid close attention to this case, so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems pretty clear he was being assaulted, and probably a few head bashes on the pavement away from death himself, and he shot the guy. Does it really matter that he called the police to report him looking suspicious? That doesn't make him a racist, if anything given Martin's reaction it makes him perceptive.

Now, if Zimmerman had harrassed Martin, to the point where he went over and instigated the fight which he ended up losing and having to use his gun then exhoneration would be clearly wrong, but that would have come out in court if it were the case. So it seems to me rather clear, and fair, that Zimmerman was cleared, and why. Am I missing key facts?


You are evidently unaware that prior to being attacked, Mr. Zimmerman shouted numerous racial epithets and openly waved his firearm in front of Mr. Martin. These events are well-documented, as they were witnessed in great detail in the imaginations of individuals who were never anywhere near the confrontation but who have decided that Mr. Zimmerman must be guilty.
 
2013-07-14 02:14:49 PM  
Because, you know, double jeopardy totally isn't a civil rights violation, lol.
 
2013-07-14 02:14:57 PM  

Autarky: did not know that brown on black racism even existed....


Everyone hates everyone. Welcome to the human condition.
 
2013-07-14 02:15:28 PM  

BravadoGT: vartian: BravadoGT: He was a thug who sucker punched another man and tried to do worse.  He was bangin', just like his old man, "Crippin All Time"

fark you, you disgusting piece of shiat.

Ah, the reasoned discourse of the left.  How unexpected!


Yes, and your post was the epitome of reasoned discourse. I pity you.
 
2013-07-14 02:16:07 PM  

Erebus1954: It's a tough case for the race baiters. Zimmerman is a Hispanic guy with a Jewish name and light skin. How to keep the hate alive?


I think the problem was that since George couldn't hold down a job, people assumed he was white.  A lazy Mexican or an unemployed Jew is something most people can't get their heads around.
 
2013-07-14 02:16:08 PM  

vartian: Nabb1:People need to move on.

 

He'll get right on that.


If he'd have just gone home instead of deciding to make a fuss, he'd be alive. He chose poorly.
 
2013-07-14 02:16:54 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois

Yes, 17 years was plenty of time for this guy to prove worthy of life.


Here's a quote from my local paper:

"Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump acknowledged the disappointment of Trayvon Martin's supporters, ranking the teen alongside civil rights heroes Medgar Evers and Emmett Till in the history of the fight for equal justice. "
 
2013-07-14 02:17:40 PM  
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2013-07-14 02:19:21 PM  

vartian: jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.

You are a callous idiot every other day so I guess today is just par for the course.

That said, I won't sign it either - killing someone is a crime, but I don't see how constitutional rights factor in here. Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges. Sue the fark out of him in civil court to the point where his every waking moment is obsessed with the amount he has to pay, sure, but I don't see how we can justify an end run at double jeopardy.

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.


Lets see here, Race Baiter.  Killing someone is not *always* a crime, so you're wrong there.  Zimmerman didn't murder Trayvon, otherwise they would have convicted him, so you're wrong again there.  You can't prove Paranoia or a sense of entitlement.  You can't prove he's a racist.  And you can't take a second shot at him because of Double Jeopardy.

You're either a great troll, or a complete farking tool.

And I suppose on the off chance you're not an idiot and just trolling, I'll re-troll you with this:  Based on the other 900 pics the media had of Trayvon that showed him in a thug light, compared to the *1* they had of his babyface...do you honestly think he would've grown up to be a tax paying contributor to society?  No.
 
2013-07-14 02:19:22 PM  

Nabb1: vartian: Nabb1:People need to move on.

He'll get right on that.

If he'd have just gone home instead of deciding to make a fuss, he'd be alive. He chose poorly.


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2013-07-14 02:20:09 PM  
How many threads do you Trayvon supporters need to prove that you don't actually know what the law is?  Please state which civil rights law Zimmerman broke?  I'm sure his black girlfriend in HS and those blacks kids he mentored after school will backup Team Trayvon that he was a racist.
 
2013-07-14 02:20:10 PM  

MFAWG: The fact that he ran away?


It was entered into testimony that fetus trayvon made it all the way to his dads back yard.

But his body was found 300 feet away from that location.....


How did that happen?

Did Fetus Trayvon double back and start stalking Saint Zimmerman?

He was out of danger when he made it home....he started a confrontation all over again
 
2013-07-14 02:20:14 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Here's a quote from my local paper:


I saw a clip from the press conference where he said that.  I gagged.  I imagine there are a lot of angry people (especially black people) out there if they heard that.  Horribly disrespectful to some heroes of the civil rights movement.
 
2013-07-14 02:20:51 PM  

vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court


I thought we usually mocked places where a burglar gets hurt while breaking into a home and ends up suing the homeowner.

This is very similar except in this case it's not a burglar it's someone who committed assault and instead of just getting hurt he got shot dead so the victim could protect himself.
 
2013-07-14 02:21:58 PM  

MyRandomName: How many threads do you Trayvon supporters need to prove that you don't actually know what the law is?  Please state which civil rights law Zimmerman broke?  I'm sure his black girlfriend in HS and those blacks kids he mentored after school will backup Team Trayvon that he was a racist.


b..but my feelings
 
2013-07-14 02:22:21 PM  

MFAWG: Dimensio: sheep snorter: So according to the jury's moronic result of the case...... We can get out of our cars and stalk and then murder a black kid because he looked suspicious.

/Providing you are white enough, that is.
//Oh and state that when you confronted him, the kid tried to stand his ground to get your cracker ass from stalking him.
//But we all know that stand your ground is only for frightened paranoid loser white people to use.

Please reference the evidence indicating that Mr. Trayvon Martin experienced a reasonable fear of imminent death, grievous bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual assault prior to his attacking Mr. Zimmerman.

The fact that he ran away? Does that work for you?

The acquittal doesn't change what happened.


He didn't run away.  He came back.  If he had run away this wouldn't have happened.   Did you even watch the trial?  Listen to the testimony?  His girlfriend basically confirmed that Trayvon initiated the confrontation.  The only racist words testified to during this entire trial came out of the mouth of Trayvon Martin.
 
2013-07-14 02:22:24 PM  

vartian: Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.

Reading that now. Lord, Florida is a farked-up state.


How dare the state/parties not be able to railroad from someone for 2 years when they are found not guilty according to the law.  HOW DARE!
 
2013-07-14 02:24:05 PM  

mgshamster: I've been told there would be riots after Z was found not guilty.  Where are the riots?


This happened in Oakland, although I am not sure it had anything to do with the decision.

pbs.twimg.com
 
2013-07-14 02:24:19 PM  
You know what the really thing is? NCAAP and Rev. Al and jesse jackson have started this whole BS again just to make money, when its White on Black its money in their pockets, when its Black on Black? Nobody looks into it here are some statistics.

Blacks make up only 12.5% of the U.S. population - yet commit nearly 40% of murders in America every yearNearly 50% of murder victims in America are black. Again - blacks make up only 12.5% of the total populationBlacks kill more members of their own race every year than do all other races in America - combined. Sadly nothing is going to change, black on black simply doesn't draw money or interest.
 
2013-07-14 02:24:26 PM  

gfid: This is very similar except in this case it's not a burglar it's someone who committed assault and instead of just getting hurt he got shot dead so the victim could protect himself.


There are more punctuation marks than just periods out there.  Get to know them.
 
2013-07-14 02:25:17 PM  

Autarky: did not know that brown on black racism even existed....


"Founded in 1790, the Brown Fellowship Society is the oldest all-male Funeral Society in Charleston, South Carolina. It also provides a major historical example of how racism affected the African American community itself, in that lighter skinned African Americans in the Society considered themselves superior to darker skinned African Americans. "
 
2013-07-14 02:25:42 PM  
My paranoid Republican father-in-law, predicted something like this would happen if Martin was found Not Guilty.

Being the gullible sap I am, I said, no I don't see that happening.

Thanks for crushing another dream America.  Keep on keeping on.

And reasons like this, is why terrorists want us dead.
 
2013-07-14 02:25:50 PM  

cptjeff: BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois

And people wonder why everybody thinks Zimmerman's defenders are racists.


Interesting please define "everyone"......That's what I thought 1x1 = everyone?? say what??
 
2013-07-14 02:25:52 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: As much as I would have liked to see Zimm rot in jail, I'm not signing that. He was already put on trial.


Yes, this. Is it complete and utter bullshiat that he was acquitted? Yup. But guess what? That's the justice system. If you want to change it, change it, but you don't get to change the trial outcome just because you don't like it.
 
2013-07-14 02:26:27 PM  

MyRandomName: How many threads do you Trayvon supporters need to prove that you don't actually know what the law is?  Please state which civil rights law Zimmerman broke?  I'm sure his black girlfriend in HS and those blacks kids he mentored after school will backup Team Trayvon that he was a racist.


I heard his mom is racist, or said some racist things.  that's enough, right?
 
2013-07-14 02:26:55 PM  
And I'm a bit retarded.  I meant if Zimmerman was found not guilty.
 
2013-07-14 02:27:32 PM  
moonbattery.com
The dude made saint faster than the pope. But what were his miracles?
 
2013-07-14 02:27:59 PM  
Great. Now that this pathetic distraction is all over, you goddamned idiots can pay attention to what matters.

NSA

ISDAfix

LIBOR

Drop your political parties and get a farking clue.
 
2013-07-14 02:28:06 PM  
Black people are the most racist people in the country now. There was a poll taken somewhere that was very interesting on this fact. Plus, posting pictures of the victim throwing gang signs sure helps too.

This kid got what was coming to him. And seeing our president is black, he finds a way to sidestep "double jeopardy" and the jury of our peers because he didn't get the result he wanted to see. Can't you all see that the government is writing laws on the fly now...

fark this government. That kid was nothing but another piece of shiat thug. Hey black people, I thought only whites could be racist.... Hypocrites.
 
2013-07-14 02:28:21 PM  
I keep hearing about Federal charges but all the statutes I have found so far require the violator to either be acting under the "the color of law" IE a state or federal official for the statute to be applied, or be running a place of commerce under the discrimination laws, since Zimmerman was neither but a individual acting on his own I can't find a relevant law
 
2013-07-14 02:28:28 PM  
I smell street justice.  If I were him I'd move my funky arse to the Himalayas and become a monk, he's got the look down.  So he's got that going for him, which is niiiice.
 
2013-07-14 02:28:56 PM  

BravadoGT: He was a thug who sucker punched another man and tried to do worse.


You were a witness?  Why didn't you testify?
 
2013-07-14 02:29:40 PM  

Proximuscentauri: Great. Now that this pathetic distraction is all over, you goddamned idiots can pay attention to what matters.

NSA

ISDAfix

LIBOR

Drop your political parties and get a farking clue.


Exactly. I would not be surprised at all if the DOJ tries to push something to keep the distraction alive.
 
2013-07-14 02:29:50 PM  
17 year-old teenagers are 50% more likely to commit a murder than 28 year-old adults.

/17 year old boy
//take away all the black murderers and Hispanic murderers in Chicago, and the city would be down to about 12 murders a year (Caucasians make up 3.5% of the murderers)
 
2013-07-14 02:29:57 PM  

varmitydog: [moonbattery.com image 500x500]
The dude made saint faster than the pope. But what were his miracles?


A lot of people whose side "won" seem surprisingly butthurt today.
 
2013-07-14 02:30:25 PM  

sheep snorter: So according to the jury's moronic result of the case...... We can get out of our cars and stalk and then murder a black kid because he looked suspicious.

/Providing you are white enough, that is.
//Oh and state that when you confronted him, the kid tried to stand his ground to get your cracker ass from stalking him.
//But we all know that stand your ground is only for frightened paranoid loser white people to use.


Please reference the evidence indicating that Mr. Trayvon Martin experienced a reasonable fear of imminent death, grievous bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual assault prior to his attacking Mr. Zimmerman.

Slaxl: Bigdogdaddy: He was found not guilty.  I didn't agree with it, but that's the way our system works.

But he killed him in self defence, so not guilty on those grounds makes perfect sense. Doesn't it? Or is it more that you would say that killing in self defence is still killing and thus he should have gone to jail anyway?
Being foreign I haven't paid close attention to this case, so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems pretty clear he was being assaulted, and probably a few head bashes on the pavement away from death himself, and he shot the guy. Does it really matter that he called the police to report him looking suspicious? That doesn't make him a racist, if anything given Martin's reaction it makes him perceptive.

Now, if Zimmerman had harrassed Martin, to the point where he went over and instigated the fight which he ended up losing and having to use his gun then exhoneration would be clearly wrong, but that would have come out in court if it were the case. So it seems to me rather clear, and fair, that Zimmerman was cleared, and why. Am I missing key facts?


You are evidently unaware that prior to being attacked, Mr. Zimmerman shouted numerous racial epithets and openly waved his firearm in front of Mr. Martin. These events are well-documented, as they were witnessed in great detail in the imaginations of individuals who were never anywhere near the confrontation but who have decided that Mr. Zimmerman must be guilty.

MFAWG: Dimensio: sheep snorter: So according to the jury's moronic result of the case...... We can get out of our cars and stalk and then murder a black kid because he looked suspicious.

/Providing you are white enough, that is.
//Oh and state that when you confronted him, the kid tried to stand his ground to get your cracker ass from stalking him.
//But we all know that stand your ground is only for frightened paranoid loser white people to use.

Please reference the evidence indicating that Mr. Trayvon Martin experienced a reasonable fear of imminent death, grievous bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual assault prior to his attacking Mr. Zimmerman.

The fact that he ran away? Does that work for you?


No. "Running away" may be indicative of a concern of possible harm in the future and not of a fear of imminent harm.
 
2013-07-14 02:30:42 PM  

doglover: Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.

This Floors Me. Florida is one of the dumbest states, and yet they have awesome legislation like this on the books?

Imagine, for a minute, if more species of lawsuits worked this way. You sue someone. You have to pay for EVERYTHING up front out of pocket. This would absolutely kill industries like patent trolls. It would be cheap as free to fight them, because it would be on their dime. And no one would ever settle, because any money is more expensive than free.

And quite frankly, civil lawsuits should be trumped by criminal ones. If you press charges, you should forfeit the right to sue. If you sue, you forfeit the right to press charges. It would remove the double jeopardy loop hole we've got goin' on how.


You do understand that the state files charges against defendants, not the victim of the defendant's crimes, right?  And that the state doesn't (ordinarily) have standing in a civil case for wrongful death?
 
2013-07-14 02:30:47 PM  

DoomPaul: vartian: jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.

You are a callous idiot every other day so I guess today is just par for the course.

That said, I won't sign it either - killing someone is a crime, but I don't see how constitutional rights factor in here. Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges. Sue the fark out of him in civil court to the point where his every waking moment is obsessed with the amount he has to pay, sure, but I don't see how we can justify an end run at double jeopardy.

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.

Funny, the African-American legal intern that volunteered to work for the defense for free and who's spent many hours with Zimmerman says otherwise. I'm sure you know better because [insert explanation here].

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/07/12/erin-mattingly -d nt-zimmermans-legal-intern.cnn.html


Thank you for that. I'm actually surprised that CNN ran that. She will make a good litigator.
 
2013-07-14 02:31:02 PM  

o5iiawah: mgshamster: I've been told there would be riots after Z was found not guilty.  Where are the riots?

This happened in Oakland, although I am not sure it had anything to do with the decision.

[pbs.twimg.com image 599x448]


Becareful showing photos of actual damage, as I did another thread, my post was deleted for "Flamewar" when it was actual damage from Oakland.
 
2013-07-14 02:31:09 PM  

varmitydog: [moonbattery.com image 500x500]
The dude made saint faster than the pope. But what were his miracles?


Some say the miracles were really just card tricks.
 
2013-07-14 02:31:16 PM  

Giltric: Yeah lets get some race baiting lawyers to suck more cash out of the Martin family.

Leave that poor family alone......stop exploiting your own people.


THIS!
 
2013-07-14 02:31:19 PM  

Brother Head: And I'm a bit retarded. I meant if Zimmerman was found not guilty.


Eh. No worries. No one is gonna notice at the derp level to which this thread has risen.
 
2013-07-14 02:31:41 PM  
This sounded like a hate crime.
Oh wait.....no it cannot be because the victim was white.
Funny how if the races in this story was reversed it would have been all over the news.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby-killed

I blame the media on both sides of this Zimmerman case for spoon feeding the public a bunch of crap
 
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