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(Huffington Post)   Creeped out by the Zimmerman decision, NAACP invites people to sign a petition for the DOJ to look into civil rights violations. Difficulty: NAACP's website down due to too many people trying to sign the petition   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 441
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2013-07-14 01:54:12 PM

elysive: Has anyone commented yet that Zimmerman doesnt even look white?


Zimmerman doesn't have to be white to have targeted Trayvon Martin because he was black.

See how that works?
 
2013-07-14 01:54:59 PM

El_Perro: I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.


What he said was two things. (1) In FL civil court, its loser pays and (2) In FL, a successful self-defense case, like Zimmerman, is automatically immune, so its simply not going to happen.
 
2013-07-14 01:56:29 PM
Next they'll go after Zimmerman for taxes...
 
2013-07-14 01:56:33 PM
Someone sure wants Z-man to be raped in a rapeatorium.
 
2013-07-14 01:56:38 PM

plmyfngr: ironic that the only thing racial about the incident were the comments made by Martin to his female friend on the phone...


THIS all day everyday until people actually watch or read about the trial they are so outraged about
 
2013-07-14 01:57:25 PM
fark the NAACP. There wasn't enough evidence to convict. You do not get to keep making up new shiat to try and convict him on just because you don't like the verdict. You lost. Deal with it.
 
2013-07-14 01:57:33 PM
The media's going to keep stirring this pot until there is a riot no matter what the costs aren't they?  What a bunch of douches. 

He was found not guilty.  I didn't agree with it, but that's the way our system works.
 
2013-07-14 01:57:55 PM

BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois


And people wonder why everybody thinks Zimmerman's defenders are racists.
 
2013-07-14 01:58:03 PM

Nemo's Brother: The Muthaship: It's time for Obama to come out and say thank you to the State of Florida for going to great lengths to see that we found out for sure what happened in this case,  And then to applaud the jury for doing the right thing.  And finally to tell the NAACP (and others) to STFU.

Do you believe that will happen?


I do not.

But, it's pretty shameful if he doesn't.
 
2013-07-14 01:58:07 PM
Let's repeat our grade school civics lesson since a lot of people seem to have forgotten the basics.

We are not a democracy.  We are a constitutional republic.

Democracy is a lynch mob.
 
2013-07-14 01:58:15 PM
I'll start by signing a petition on how Zimmerman's rights have been under racial assault from the president on down. Where do I sign up?

The sheer race baiting and racism against Hispanics and Whites in this trial has been a national disgrace. Mind you I would find this level of racism against Blacks just as bad. The media needs to look at their behavior on this and have a serious dialogue on their role in inciting racism in this country. The entire thing is shameful.
 
2013-07-14 01:58:21 PM

vartian: jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.

You are a callous idiot every other day so I guess today is just par for the course.

That said, I won't sign it either - killing someone is a crime, but I don't see how constitutional rights factor in here. Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges. Sue the fark out of him in civil court to the point where his every waking moment is obsessed with the amount he has to pay, sure, but I don't see how we can justify an end run at double jeopardy.

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.


You are wrong. A killing in self-dense is most certainly not a crime (even if the "victim" happens to be a favored minority).
 
2013-07-14 01:59:00 PM
Hey guys, how about you not try to set a precedent for allowing double jeopardy and instead focus your efforts on unfarking Florida?

Conviction shopping is a serious threat to the rule of law, folks.
 
2013-07-14 01:59:01 PM

pedobearapproved: plmyfngr: ironic that the only thing racial about the incident were the comments made by Martin to his female friend on the phone...

THIS all day everyday until people actually watch or read about the trial they are so outraged about


This. But of course, it's inherently racist for a White (or white-ish) person to kill a black person, no matter what. So, clearly there must have been a civil rights violation.
 
2013-07-14 02:00:05 PM

elysive: Has anyone commented yet that Zimmerman doesnt even look white?


That doesn't matter. All that matters is that he's *not black*.
 
2013-07-14 02:00:08 PM
It's going to have to happen.  The Feds will have to treat this like a Civil Rights Era case from the 60's.  If they don't, idiots like mike0023 will feel free to start fights and shoot their way out in the name of self defense.
 
2013-07-14 02:00:11 PM
NAACP definitely loses credibility from this.
They should be above this shiat, but no, people want vengeance.
 
2013-07-14 02:00:16 PM
I've been told there would be riots after Z was found not guilty.  Where are the riots?
 
2013-07-14 02:00:33 PM

vartian: jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.

You are a callous idiot every other day so I guess today is just par for the course.

That said, I won't sign it either - killing someone is a crime, but I don't see how constitutional rights factor in here. Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges. Sue the fark out of him in civil court to the point where his every waking moment is obsessed with the amount he has to pay, sure, but I don't see how we can justify an end run at double jeopardy.

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.


Funny, the African-American legal intern that volunteered to work for the defense for free and who's spent many hours with Zimmerman says otherwise. I'm sure you know better because [insert explanation here].

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/07/12/erin-mattingly -d nt-zimmermans-legal-intern.cnn.html
 
2013-07-14 02:00:47 PM
Yeah lets get some race baiting lawyers to suck more cash out of the Martin family.

Leave that poor family alone......stop exploiting your own people.
 
2013-07-14 02:01:06 PM
this case is bringing out the stupid in so many people right now that I'm starting to lose faith in man kind.

GZ shot TM, police said no evidence to charge
Crumb/Sharpton say this is racist
people want the state to bring chages and show GZ was in the wrong
state brings charges
has the burden of proof to prove that GZ acted no in self defense.
the state absolutely failed to bring any solid evidence that GZ did not act in self defense
no fact or evidence to remotely support that GZ jumped out of his car and tracked down TM to shoot him
so the jury finds him innocent, based on what the state provided
he's not guilty

you had your day in court and the evidence was not there, just because it's NOT what you want to hear don't go disregarding it all just to fit how you WANT it to be...

time to stfu and crawl back into your holes.

the racism thing is now getting to sound like the boy who cried wolf...
when I hear "oh it's racism" I yawn and look away....
 
2013-07-14 02:01:25 PM
vartian:

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.

I'm pretty sure he'll be just fine.  The thing with George is, he's an idiot.  That's why his lawyers never let him speak.  The guy thought he could use some code in jail to communicate to his wife how to hide money from the judge.  He actually thought he was cunning enough to get away with that.

Let's face it, you and me will never be on trial like this because we're not going out at night playing cop.  George is too dumb to even realize that his problems are his own fault.  He'll go right on smiling.  I bet he gets a pundit gig at WND where he can rail at our liberal justice system railroading free citizens into jail.  He just has to remind people that he's a Mexican or whatever and not white because this is very important to his fans for some reason.
 
2013-07-14 02:01:40 PM
Just let it go. How about some petitions to make better legislation or something.
 
2013-07-14 02:01:48 PM

El_Perro: Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.

I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.


See that's not the problem, in Florida if you are found not guilty in a criminal trial on self defense grounds it automatically bars a civil suit so the only way Martins family can go is to file in federal court, which is extremely hard to do since the relevant federal statutes are mainly geared toward violations by people in authority not individual citizens. They may get a suit going in federal court but it will be a uphill climb.
 
2013-07-14 02:02:10 PM

BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois


Because people that make poor choices at 17 never amount to anything?

Wait, I get it. He's 17 AND black, so he can't amount to anything. Sorry. Forget to add in your latent racism.
 
2013-07-14 02:02:24 PM
I should say he didn't jump out of his car with the intent to shoot TM, I understand that some with low ability to reason will get caught on this and not understand what I said.
 
2013-07-14 02:02:25 PM
did not know that brown on black racism even existed....
 
2013-07-14 02:02:49 PM
Nice echo chamber Drew.
 
2013-07-14 02:03:08 PM

mike0023: vartian: jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.

You are a callous idiot every other day so I guess today is just par for the course.

That said, I won't sign it either - killing someone is a crime, but I don't see how constitutional rights factor in here. Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges. Sue the fark out of him in civil court to the point where his every waking moment is obsessed with the amount he has to pay, sure, but I don't see how we can justify an end run at double jeopardy.

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.

You are wrong. A killing in self-dense is most certainly not a crime (even if the "victim" happens to be a favored minority).


Ah, the 'Favored Minority' angle. Loved that one since the 80's.
 
2013-07-14 02:03:10 PM
All that is taught and promoted about America is myth.  Zimmerman will be brought to trial again and again until he is in jail.
 
2013-07-14 02:03:42 PM

Autarky: did not know that brown on black racism even existed....


X on Y racism exists.
 
2013-07-14 02:04:32 PM
NAACP site gets hacked, names and addresses of all who signed are released to the public.
Let the hilarity ensue.
 
Ral
2013-07-14 02:05:03 PM
This case is not a racial issue.  Zimmerman got attacked by some punk and shot him.  End of story.

People trying to turn this into a racial thing are doing so purely for political purposes.
 
2013-07-14 02:05:16 PM

Autarky: did not know that brown on black racism even existed....


Because they all look the same?
 
2013-07-14 02:05:22 PM

cptjeff: BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois

And people wonder why everybody thinks Zimmerman's defenders are racists.


He was a thug who sucker punched another man and tried to do worse.  He was bangin', just like his old man, "Crippin All Time"

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2013-07-14 02:06:47 PM

doglover: I've always maintained you should slave civil damages for criminal acts


Might not be the best choice of words you'll make today...
 
2013-07-14 02:06:56 PM
So, I seem to remember the NAACP being strangely silent after the OJ trial. I don't regiment then demanding the government to pursue charges against him. Oh right, he was found not guilty, if someone is found not guilty you shouldn't pursue then for your own agenda and ... oh wait.....

The problem with the NAACP and figures like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton Is that while their general purpose and message is good, they really don't want to see the end of racism for that makes them irrelevant. So, what you get is all of them fanning the flames whenever they can to keep their base stirred up. It keeps them in a job and keeps them in their leadership position. It's truly a shame.
 
2013-07-14 02:07:51 PM

LemSkroob: vartian: and he is certainly a racist

Yeah, only a real racists takes a black girl to the prom and serves as a mentor to black youth.


Yeah, I'm sure he followed lots of white kids walking through his neighborhood.
 
2013-07-14 02:07:51 PM
So according to the jury's moronic result of the case...... We can get out of our cars and stalk and then murder a black kid because he looked suspicious.

/Providing you are white enough, that is.
//Oh and state that when you confronted him, the kid tried to stand his ground to get your cracker ass from stalking him.
//But we all know that stand your ground is only for frightened paranoid loser white people to use.
 
2013-07-14 02:08:08 PM

Lionel Mandrake: *yawn*

I just woke up...are America's urban neighborhoods flaming hulks of violent destruction yet?

...I was assured by many FARKers that the "race lords" and the Black Panthers were going to be lynching crackers all night...did I miss the action?


No the cops did their jobs.
 
2013-07-14 02:08:26 PM

Bigdogdaddy: He was found not guilty.  I didn't agree with it, but that's the way our system works.


But he killed him in self defence, so not guilty on those grounds makes perfect sense. Doesn't it? Or is it more that you would say that killing in self defence is still killing and thus he should have gone to jail anyway? 

Being foreign I haven't paid close attention to this case, so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems pretty clear he was being assaulted, and probably a few head bashes on the pavement away from death himself, and he shot the guy. Does it really matter that he called the police to report him looking suspicious? That doesn't make him a racist, if anything given Martin's reaction it makes him perceptive.

Now, if Zimmerman had harrassed Martin, to the point where he went over and instigated the fight which he ended up losing and having to use his gun then exhoneration would be clearly wrong, but that would have come out in court if it were the case. So it seems to me rather clear, and fair, that Zimmerman was cleared, and why. Am I missing key facts?
 
2013-07-14 02:08:34 PM
First, I think George was guilty a making a bad decision that ultimately ended someone's life.  Since the courts decided he didn't violate any laws, his punishment will have to be living with the guilt for the rest of his life and being hounded by the media.

Second, who was the person involved in this that used a racial slur?  The NAACP should think carefully about trying to support a black person who demonstrated bigotry and racism, despite the fact that he's dead.
 
2013-07-14 02:08:37 PM

BravadoGT: He was a thug who sucker punched another man and tried to do worse.  He was bangin', just like his old man, "Crippin All Time"


fark you, you disgusting piece of shiat.
 
2013-07-14 02:09:01 PM
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2013-07-14 02:09:15 PM

mgshamster: I've been told there would be riots after Z was found not guilty.  Where are the riots?


Give it time, the media is still trying.
 
2013-07-14 02:09:18 PM
So many people trying to sign the petition the website shut down?
"....And God, having a sense of humour...."
 
2013-07-14 02:09:22 PM
Well, this looks like a case where I see wrongdoing, but understand the nature of the acquittal.
 
2013-07-14 02:09:23 PM

sheep snorter: So according to the jury's moronic result of the case...... We can get out of our cars and stalk and then murder a black kid because he looked suspicious.

/Providing you are white enough, that is.
//Oh and state that when you confronted him, the kid tried to stand his ground to get your cracker ass from stalking him.
//But we all know that stand your ground is only for frightened paranoid loser white people to use.


Zimmerman is as white as Obama....
 
2013-07-14 02:10:23 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Is this how it's gonna be? Just keep throwing charges at him until something sticks?

Probably.  And the people who cheered Ronald Goldman's family for their persistence will shiat all over the Martin family.


Apples & oranges.......
 
2013-07-14 02:10:38 PM

BravadoGT: cptjeff: BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois

And people wonder why everybody thinks Zimmerman's defenders are racists.

He was a thug who sucker punched another man and tried to do worse.  He was bangin', just like his old man, "Crippin All Time"

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