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(Huffington Post)   Creeped out by the Zimmerman decision, NAACP invites people to sign a petition for the DOJ to look into civil rights violations. Difficulty: NAACP's website down due to too many people trying to sign the petition   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2013-07-14 11:04:01 AM  
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2013-07-14 11:05:27 AM  
As much as I would have liked to see Zimm rot in jail, I'm not signing that. He was already put on trial.
 
2013-07-14 11:06:26 AM  
Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.
 
2013-07-14 11:11:54 AM  
ironic that the only thing racial about the incident were the comments made by Martin to his female friend on the phone...
 
2013-07-14 11:15:37 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.


You are a callous idiot every other day so I guess today is just par for the course.

That said, I won't sign it either - killing someone is a crime, but I don't see how constitutional rights factor in here. Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges. Sue the fark out of him in civil court to the point where his every waking moment is obsessed with the amount he has to pay, sure, but I don't see how we can justify an end run at double jeopardy.

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.
 
2013-07-14 11:16:13 AM  

www.sentryjournal.com

 
2013-07-14 11:17:21 AM  

vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court


Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.
 
2013-07-14 11:18:31 AM  
Has anyone commented yet that Zimmerman doesnt even look white?
 
2013-07-14 11:21:14 AM  
NAAColoredPeople's problems.
 
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2013-07-14 11:21:47 AM  

elysive: Has anyone commented yet that Zimmerman doesnt even look white?


Yep, but he's close enough.
 
2013-07-14 11:22:06 AM  

vartian: jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.

You are a callous idiot every other day so I guess today is just par for the course.

That said, I won't sign it either - killing someone is a crime, but I don't see how constitutional rights factor in here. Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges. Sue the fark out of him in civil court to the point where his every waking moment is obsessed with the amount he has to pay, sure, but I don't see how we can justify an end run at double jeopardy.

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.


I've been assured that he'll be rolling in dough once he sues NBC and gets his book deal, but with the way he and his wife eat through cash, I can't see them having much money for long.

And I'm just scared shiatless at the precedent attempting to try this asshole twice would set.
 
2013-07-14 11:25:10 AM  

Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.


Reading that now. Lord, Florida is a farked-up state.
 
2013-07-14 11:26:21 AM  

Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.


This Floors Me. Florida is one of the dumbest states, and yet they have awesome legislation like this on the books?

Imagine, for a minute, if more species of lawsuits worked this way. You sue someone. You have to pay for EVERYTHING up front out of pocket. This would absolutely kill industries like patent trolls. It would be cheap as free to fight them, because it would be on their dime. And no one would ever settle, because any money is more expensive than free.

And quite frankly, civil lawsuits should be trumped by criminal ones. If you press charges, you should forfeit the right to sue. If you sue, you forfeit the right to press charges. It would remove the double jeopardy loop hole we've got goin' on how.
 
2013-07-14 11:26:41 AM  

vartian: jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.

You are a callous idiot every other day so I guess today is just par for the course.

That said, I won't sign it either - killing someone is a crime, but I don't see how constitutional rights factor in here. Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges. Sue the fark out of him in civil court to the point where his every waking moment is obsessed with the amount he has to pay, sure, but I don't see how we can justify an end run at double jeopardy.

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.


Self defense immunity in FL.

Sadly, that bastard is going to be rich, he's already made flush cash from all the "Stand Your Ground" masturbators throwing their wallet children into his defense fund.
 
2013-07-14 11:27:04 AM  

vartian: Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.

Reading that now. Lord, Florida is a farked-up state.


So, you think people who are not guilty due to self-defense should be sued by their attackers?  Really?

/Martin is a piss-poor martyr
//the system is racist, but this is a terrible case to use on your banner
 
2013-07-14 11:28:08 AM  

iq_in_binary: "Stand Your Ground"


Yet another outraged person who didn't follow the trial, only Facebook and Twitter....
 
2013-07-14 11:32:12 AM  
*yawn*

I just woke up...are America's urban neighborhoods flaming hulks of violent destruction yet?

...I was assured by many FARKers that the "race lords" and the Black Panthers were going to be lynching crackers all night...did I miss the action?
 
2013-07-14 11:32:14 AM  

Fark It: iq_in_binary: "Stand Your Ground"

Yet another outraged person who didn't follow the trial, only Facebook and Twitter....


So you're telling me he DIDN'T raise tons of cash for his defense fund?

PLEASE tell me you're saying that.
 
2013-07-14 11:32:42 AM  

Fark It: So, you think people who are not guilty due to self-defense should be sued by their attackers?  Really?


Yep, that's what I said. Every single person every tried for a crime, anywhere.

Oh wait no, I was talking about a particular case and a single individual. I can see how that could be easily confused.
 
2013-07-14 11:42:07 AM  
Is this how it's gonna be? Just keep throwing charges at him until something sticks?
 
2013-07-14 11:44:12 AM  
It's time for Obama to come out and say thank you to the State of Florida for going to great lengths to see that we found out for sure what happened in this case,  And then to applaud the jury for doing the right thing.  And finally to tell the NAACP (and others) to STFU.
 
2013-07-14 11:48:23 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Is this how it's gonna be? Just keep throwing charges at him until something sticks?


America: all the justice you can afford.
 
2013-07-14 11:55:06 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Is this how it's gonna be? Just keep throwing charges at him until something sticks?


Probably.  And the people who cheered Ronald Goldman's family for their persistence will shiat all over the Martin family.
 
2013-07-14 11:55:25 AM  
The FBI already looked into this in 2012 and found no evidence of racial bias on Zimmerman's part, but by all means keep engaging in carnal relations with that domesticated fowl.
 
2013-07-14 12:00:58 PM  
He was found not guilty by a jury of his peers.

/yes, it's that simple regardless of one's feelings on the case
 
2013-07-14 12:16:24 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: people who cheered Ronald Goldman's family for their persistence


Who were these people?
 
2013-07-14 12:16:25 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Is this how it's gonna be? Just keep throwing charges at him until something sticks?

Probably.  And the people who cheered Ronald Goldman's family for their persistence will shiat all over the Martin family.


I vaguely recollect that name.  How many people did he jump on top of and start pounding into the pavement?
 
2013-07-14 12:16:57 PM  

doglover: Lionel Mandrake: people who cheered Ronald Goldman's family for their persistence

Who were these people?


The Goldman family lawyers.
 
2013-07-14 12:22:27 PM  

BunkyBrewman: doglover: Lionel Mandrake: people who cheered Ronald Goldman's family for their persistence

Who were these people?

The Goldman family lawyers.


They would shiat all over the Martins for not hiring them, but trying to profiteer their son's corpse is well in line with lawyer ethics.
 
2013-07-14 12:23:31 PM  

Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.


I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.
 
2013-07-14 12:24:40 PM  

Nabb1: The FBI already looked into this in 2012 and found no evidence of racial bias on Zimmerman's part,


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Violation of civil rights is not necessarily the same thing as "racial bias." Federal courts often have their own beefs against defendants alongside state courts. This is nothing new.
 
2013-07-14 12:25:00 PM  

doglover: Lionel Mandrake: people who cheered Ronald Goldman's family for their persistence

Who were these people?


A lot of people unsatisfied with the "not guilty" verdict.

Maybe you are too young, or clueless, or choose to forget, but the "get OJ" sentiment was pretty high at the time.  And the glee when OJ lost in civil court was pretty obvious to people with eyes.
 
2013-07-14 12:28:46 PM  
He's immune from civil liability if they found him not guilty based on self defense.

That won't stop that moron Crump from filing though.
 
2013-07-14 12:33:59 PM  

The Muthaship: He's immune from civil liability if they found him not guilty based on self defense.

That won't stop that moron Crump from filing though.


How the hell did Crump become a lawyer anyway?
 
2013-07-14 12:37:39 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: doglover: Lionel Mandrake: people who cheered Ronald Goldman's family for their persistence

Who were these people?

A lot of people unsatisfied with the "not guilty" verdict.

Maybe you are too young, or clueless, or choose to forget, but the "get OJ" sentiment was pretty high at the time.  And the glee when OJ lost in civil court was pretty obvious to people with eyes.


Totally opposite cases.

OJ was surrounded by evidence against him, but was only freed from the criminal side because California's prosecutors sucked.

Zimmerman said exactly what he claims happened from the first, and yet there's been no shred of evidence to counter his claims.

OJ was accused of ambushing two people in a crime of passion.

Zimmerman admitted to shooting an assailant who was straddling him.

OJ hired the best lawyers money could buy.

Zimmerman scraped up the only lawyers who would still work with him.


So much is different. The only comparison is that they were both trials. And frankly, I've always been upset that the Goldmans successful sued OJ. If they had sued the police for farking up the crime scene, the prosecutors for being morons, or even OJ's douchey roommate for being a douche those would have been acceptable. But they didn't. They sued OJ, who was found not guilty. I've always maintained you should slave civil damages for criminal acts TO the criminal charges. If you're not guilty of the crime, they shouldn't be able to sue you. It would make criminal juries think twice and be more in keeping with the spirit of the constitution.
 
2013-07-14 12:47:08 PM  

doglover: Totally opposite cases.


I wasn't comparing the cases, I was comparing the emotions of the party that felt justice was not served.

The jury reached the right verdict.  When only two people know what actually happened, and one is dead, and the law is written as it is, the verdict is a foregone conclusion.

Just remember that if you end up in a scuffle with someone in FL, kill them and claim you felt your life was in danger.
 
2013-07-14 12:48:38 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: if you end up in a scuffle with someone in FL, kill them and claim you felt your life was in danger.


If you end up in a scuffle in FL, your life is in danger.
 
2013-07-14 12:49:56 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: I was comparing the emotions of the party that felt justice was not served.


Which is silly. We shouldn't even acknowledge people who think the LEGAL system, full of LAWS, is there to serve EMOTIONAL justice.

If justice is not being met by the LAWS, maybe one could possibly try and talk to LAWMAKERS? Maybe get some new LAWS? Just a thought.
 
2013-07-14 12:53:56 PM  

doglover: Lionel Mandrake: I was comparing the emotions of the party that felt justice was not served.

Which is silly. We shouldn't even acknowledge people who think the LEGAL system, full of LAWS, is there to serve EMOTIONAL justice.

If justice is not being met by the LAWS, maybe one could possibly try and talk to LAWMAKERS? Maybe get some new LAWS? Just a thought.


Is the family proposing to do something outside of the law?

When they do something outside of the law, rest assured that I will criticize them for it.
 
2013-07-14 12:55:15 PM  

The Muthaship: Lionel Mandrake: if you end up in a scuffle with someone in FL, kill them and claim you felt your life was in danger.

If you end up in a scuffle in FL, your life is in danger.


Maybe.  It might be wise for people to avoid acting in ways that increase the likelihood of a scuffle occurring.
 
2013-07-14 12:57:19 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: It might be wise for people to avoid acting in ways that increase the likelihood of a scuffle occurring.


That's my policy.
 
2013-07-14 01:04:36 PM  

Somacandra: Nabb1: The FBI already looked into this in 2012 and found no evidence of racial bias on Zimmerman's part,

Violation of civil rights is not necessarily the same thing as "racial bias." Federal courts often have their own beefs against defendants alongside state courts. This is nothing new.


Zimmerman's not a state actor, so that negates a lot of causes of action for a civil rights suit, and most of the others would be rooted in racial discrimination. People need to move on.
 
2013-07-14 01:23:16 PM  
Nabb1:People need to move on.

 assets.nydailynews.com

He'll get right on that.
 
2013-07-14 01:27:29 PM  
Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois
 
2013-07-14 01:29:03 PM  

BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois


Maybe he was trying to illegally purchase a weapon because he wanted to join Zimmerman on the neighborhood watch.
 
2013-07-14 01:29:27 PM  

BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois


Yes, 17 years was plenty of time for this guy to prove worthy of life.
 
2013-07-14 01:51:36 PM  

The Muthaship: It's time for Obama to come out and say thank you to the State of Florida for going to great lengths to see that we found out for sure what happened in this case,  And then to applaud the jury for doing the right thing.  And finally to tell the NAACP (and others) to STFU.


Do you believe that will happen?
 
2013-07-14 01:51:55 PM  

vartian: and he is certainly a racist


Yeah, only a real racists takes a black girl to the prom and serves as a mentor to black youth.
 
2013-07-14 01:53:26 PM  

BunkyBrewman: He was found not guilty by a jury of his peers.

/yes, it's that simple regardless of one's feelings on the case


Quoting for anybody who might have missed this.
 
2013-07-14 01:54:02 PM  
I'd really like to think it was a hacker group that took them down.
 
2013-07-14 01:54:12 PM  

elysive: Has anyone commented yet that Zimmerman doesnt even look white?


Zimmerman doesn't have to be white to have targeted Trayvon Martin because he was black.

See how that works?
 
2013-07-14 01:54:59 PM  

El_Perro: I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.


What he said was two things. (1) In FL civil court, its loser pays and (2) In FL, a successful self-defense case, like Zimmerman, is automatically immune, so its simply not going to happen.
 
2013-07-14 01:56:29 PM  
Next they'll go after Zimmerman for taxes...
 
2013-07-14 01:56:33 PM  
Someone sure wants Z-man to be raped in a rapeatorium.
 
2013-07-14 01:56:38 PM  

plmyfngr: ironic that the only thing racial about the incident were the comments made by Martin to his female friend on the phone...


THIS all day everyday until people actually watch or read about the trial they are so outraged about
 
2013-07-14 01:57:25 PM  
fark the NAACP. There wasn't enough evidence to convict. You do not get to keep making up new shiat to try and convict him on just because you don't like the verdict. You lost. Deal with it.
 
2013-07-14 01:57:33 PM  
The media's going to keep stirring this pot until there is a riot no matter what the costs aren't they?  What a bunch of douches. 

He was found not guilty.  I didn't agree with it, but that's the way our system works.
 
2013-07-14 01:57:55 PM  

BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois


And people wonder why everybody thinks Zimmerman's defenders are racists.
 
2013-07-14 01:58:03 PM  

Nemo's Brother: The Muthaship: It's time for Obama to come out and say thank you to the State of Florida for going to great lengths to see that we found out for sure what happened in this case,  And then to applaud the jury for doing the right thing.  And finally to tell the NAACP (and others) to STFU.

Do you believe that will happen?


I do not.

But, it's pretty shameful if he doesn't.
 
2013-07-14 01:58:07 PM  
Let's repeat our grade school civics lesson since a lot of people seem to have forgotten the basics.

We are not a democracy.  We are a constitutional republic.

Democracy is a lynch mob.
 
2013-07-14 01:58:15 PM  
I'll start by signing a petition on how Zimmerman's rights have been under racial assault from the president on down. Where do I sign up?

The sheer race baiting and racism against Hispanics and Whites in this trial has been a national disgrace. Mind you I would find this level of racism against Blacks just as bad. The media needs to look at their behavior on this and have a serious dialogue on their role in inciting racism in this country. The entire thing is shameful.
 
2013-07-14 01:58:21 PM  

vartian: jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.

You are a callous idiot every other day so I guess today is just par for the course.

That said, I won't sign it either - killing someone is a crime, but I don't see how constitutional rights factor in here. Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges. Sue the fark out of him in civil court to the point where his every waking moment is obsessed with the amount he has to pay, sure, but I don't see how we can justify an end run at double jeopardy.

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.


You are wrong. A killing in self-dense is most certainly not a crime (even if the "victim" happens to be a favored minority).
 
2013-07-14 01:59:00 PM  
Hey guys, how about you not try to set a precedent for allowing double jeopardy and instead focus your efforts on unfarking Florida?

Conviction shopping is a serious threat to the rule of law, folks.
 
2013-07-14 01:59:01 PM  

pedobearapproved: plmyfngr: ironic that the only thing racial about the incident were the comments made by Martin to his female friend on the phone...

THIS all day everyday until people actually watch or read about the trial they are so outraged about


This. But of course, it's inherently racist for a White (or white-ish) person to kill a black person, no matter what. So, clearly there must have been a civil rights violation.
 
2013-07-14 02:00:05 PM  

elysive: Has anyone commented yet that Zimmerman doesnt even look white?


That doesn't matter. All that matters is that he's *not black*.
 
2013-07-14 02:00:08 PM  
It's going to have to happen.  The Feds will have to treat this like a Civil Rights Era case from the 60's.  If they don't, idiots like mike0023 will feel free to start fights and shoot their way out in the name of self defense.
 
2013-07-14 02:00:11 PM  
NAACP definitely loses credibility from this.
They should be above this shiat, but no, people want vengeance.
 
2013-07-14 02:00:16 PM  
I've been told there would be riots after Z was found not guilty.  Where are the riots?
 
2013-07-14 02:00:33 PM  

vartian: jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.

You are a callous idiot every other day so I guess today is just par for the course.

That said, I won't sign it either - killing someone is a crime, but I don't see how constitutional rights factor in here. Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges. Sue the fark out of him in civil court to the point where his every waking moment is obsessed with the amount he has to pay, sure, but I don't see how we can justify an end run at double jeopardy.

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.


Funny, the African-American legal intern that volunteered to work for the defense for free and who's spent many hours with Zimmerman says otherwise. I'm sure you know better because [insert explanation here].

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/07/12/erin-mattingly -d nt-zimmermans-legal-intern.cnn.html
 
2013-07-14 02:00:47 PM  
Yeah lets get some race baiting lawyers to suck more cash out of the Martin family.

Leave that poor family alone......stop exploiting your own people.
 
2013-07-14 02:01:06 PM  
this case is bringing out the stupid in so many people right now that I'm starting to lose faith in man kind.

GZ shot TM, police said no evidence to charge
Crumb/Sharpton say this is racist
people want the state to bring chages and show GZ was in the wrong
state brings charges
has the burden of proof to prove that GZ acted no in self defense.
the state absolutely failed to bring any solid evidence that GZ did not act in self defense
no fact or evidence to remotely support that GZ jumped out of his car and tracked down TM to shoot him
so the jury finds him innocent, based on what the state provided
he's not guilty

you had your day in court and the evidence was not there, just because it's NOT what you want to hear don't go disregarding it all just to fit how you WANT it to be...

time to stfu and crawl back into your holes.

the racism thing is now getting to sound like the boy who cried wolf...
when I hear "oh it's racism" I yawn and look away....
 
2013-07-14 02:01:25 PM  
vartian:

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.

I'm pretty sure he'll be just fine.  The thing with George is, he's an idiot.  That's why his lawyers never let him speak.  The guy thought he could use some code in jail to communicate to his wife how to hide money from the judge.  He actually thought he was cunning enough to get away with that.

Let's face it, you and me will never be on trial like this because we're not going out at night playing cop.  George is too dumb to even realize that his problems are his own fault.  He'll go right on smiling.  I bet he gets a pundit gig at WND where he can rail at our liberal justice system railroading free citizens into jail.  He just has to remind people that he's a Mexican or whatever and not white because this is very important to his fans for some reason.
 
2013-07-14 02:01:40 PM  
Just let it go. How about some petitions to make better legislation or something.
 
2013-07-14 02:01:48 PM  

El_Perro: Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.

I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.


See that's not the problem, in Florida if you are found not guilty in a criminal trial on self defense grounds it automatically bars a civil suit so the only way Martins family can go is to file in federal court, which is extremely hard to do since the relevant federal statutes are mainly geared toward violations by people in authority not individual citizens. They may get a suit going in federal court but it will be a uphill climb.
 
2013-07-14 02:02:10 PM  

BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois


Because people that make poor choices at 17 never amount to anything?

Wait, I get it. He's 17 AND black, so he can't amount to anything. Sorry. Forget to add in your latent racism.
 
2013-07-14 02:02:24 PM  
I should say he didn't jump out of his car with the intent to shoot TM, I understand that some with low ability to reason will get caught on this and not understand what I said.
 
2013-07-14 02:02:25 PM  
did not know that brown on black racism even existed....
 
2013-07-14 02:02:49 PM  
Nice echo chamber Drew.
 
2013-07-14 02:03:08 PM  

mike0023: vartian: jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.

You are a callous idiot every other day so I guess today is just par for the course.

That said, I won't sign it either - killing someone is a crime, but I don't see how constitutional rights factor in here. Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges. Sue the fark out of him in civil court to the point where his every waking moment is obsessed with the amount he has to pay, sure, but I don't see how we can justify an end run at double jeopardy.

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.

You are wrong. A killing in self-dense is most certainly not a crime (even if the "victim" happens to be a favored minority).


Ah, the 'Favored Minority' angle. Loved that one since the 80's.
 
2013-07-14 02:03:10 PM  
All that is taught and promoted about America is myth.  Zimmerman will be brought to trial again and again until he is in jail.
 
2013-07-14 02:03:42 PM  

Autarky: did not know that brown on black racism even existed....


X on Y racism exists.
 
2013-07-14 02:04:32 PM  
NAACP site gets hacked, names and addresses of all who signed are released to the public.
Let the hilarity ensue.
 
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2013-07-14 02:05:03 PM  
This case is not a racial issue.  Zimmerman got attacked by some punk and shot him.  End of story.

People trying to turn this into a racial thing are doing so purely for political purposes.
 
2013-07-14 02:05:16 PM  

Autarky: did not know that brown on black racism even existed....


Because they all look the same?
 
2013-07-14 02:05:22 PM  

cptjeff: BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois

And people wonder why everybody thinks Zimmerman's defenders are racists.


He was a thug who sucker punched another man and tried to do worse.  He was bangin', just like his old man, "Crippin All Time"

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2013-07-14 02:06:47 PM  

doglover: I've always maintained you should slave civil damages for criminal acts


Might not be the best choice of words you'll make today...
 
2013-07-14 02:06:56 PM  
So, I seem to remember the NAACP being strangely silent after the OJ trial. I don't regiment then demanding the government to pursue charges against him. Oh right, he was found not guilty, if someone is found not guilty you shouldn't pursue then for your own agenda and ... oh wait.....

The problem with the NAACP and figures like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton Is that while their general purpose and message is good, they really don't want to see the end of racism for that makes them irrelevant. So, what you get is all of them fanning the flames whenever they can to keep their base stirred up. It keeps them in a job and keeps them in their leadership position. It's truly a shame.
 
2013-07-14 02:07:51 PM  

LemSkroob: vartian: and he is certainly a racist

Yeah, only a real racists takes a black girl to the prom and serves as a mentor to black youth.


Yeah, I'm sure he followed lots of white kids walking through his neighborhood.
 
2013-07-14 02:07:51 PM  
So according to the jury's moronic result of the case...... We can get out of our cars and stalk and then murder a black kid because he looked suspicious.

/Providing you are white enough, that is.
//Oh and state that when you confronted him, the kid tried to stand his ground to get your cracker ass from stalking him.
//But we all know that stand your ground is only for frightened paranoid loser white people to use.
 
2013-07-14 02:08:08 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: *yawn*

I just woke up...are America's urban neighborhoods flaming hulks of violent destruction yet?

...I was assured by many FARKers that the "race lords" and the Black Panthers were going to be lynching crackers all night...did I miss the action?


No the cops did their jobs.
 
2013-07-14 02:08:26 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: He was found not guilty.  I didn't agree with it, but that's the way our system works.


But he killed him in self defence, so not guilty on those grounds makes perfect sense. Doesn't it? Or is it more that you would say that killing in self defence is still killing and thus he should have gone to jail anyway? 

Being foreign I haven't paid close attention to this case, so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems pretty clear he was being assaulted, and probably a few head bashes on the pavement away from death himself, and he shot the guy. Does it really matter that he called the police to report him looking suspicious? That doesn't make him a racist, if anything given Martin's reaction it makes him perceptive.

Now, if Zimmerman had harrassed Martin, to the point where he went over and instigated the fight which he ended up losing and having to use his gun then exhoneration would be clearly wrong, but that would have come out in court if it were the case. So it seems to me rather clear, and fair, that Zimmerman was cleared, and why. Am I missing key facts?
 
2013-07-14 02:08:34 PM  
First, I think George was guilty a making a bad decision that ultimately ended someone's life.  Since the courts decided he didn't violate any laws, his punishment will have to be living with the guilt for the rest of his life and being hounded by the media.

Second, who was the person involved in this that used a racial slur?  The NAACP should think carefully about trying to support a black person who demonstrated bigotry and racism, despite the fact that he's dead.
 
2013-07-14 02:08:37 PM  

BravadoGT: He was a thug who sucker punched another man and tried to do worse.  He was bangin', just like his old man, "Crippin All Time"


fark you, you disgusting piece of shiat.
 
2013-07-14 02:09:01 PM  
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2013-07-14 02:09:15 PM  

mgshamster: I've been told there would be riots after Z was found not guilty.  Where are the riots?


Give it time, the media is still trying.
 
2013-07-14 02:09:18 PM  
So many people trying to sign the petition the website shut down?
"....And God, having a sense of humour...."
 
2013-07-14 02:09:22 PM  
Well, this looks like a case where I see wrongdoing, but understand the nature of the acquittal.
 
2013-07-14 02:09:23 PM  

sheep snorter: So according to the jury's moronic result of the case...... We can get out of our cars and stalk and then murder a black kid because he looked suspicious.

/Providing you are white enough, that is.
//Oh and state that when you confronted him, the kid tried to stand his ground to get your cracker ass from stalking him.
//But we all know that stand your ground is only for frightened paranoid loser white people to use.


Zimmerman is as white as Obama....
 
2013-07-14 02:10:23 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Is this how it's gonna be? Just keep throwing charges at him until something sticks?

Probably.  And the people who cheered Ronald Goldman's family for their persistence will shiat all over the Martin family.


Apples & oranges.......
 
2013-07-14 02:10:38 PM  

BravadoGT: cptjeff: BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois

And people wonder why everybody thinks Zimmerman's defenders are racists.

He was a thug who sucker punched another man and tried to do worse.  He was bangin', just like his old man, "Crippin All Time"

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SCARY!!
 
2013-07-14 02:10:56 PM  
I'm a liberal Democrat and see a lot of news stories which scream civil rights violations.  Lots of bad cops, lots of guys with racist motives.  I can see a good chance for a racist motive in this case.  I don't know if I have read enough about the argument for a Federal case.  On  the surface it seems that the state did this right.   I don't feel compelled to disagree with the verdict yet.   I need more time and information.    I know we have a justice system that is corrupt and unfair, but this was in the bright sunlight of direct coverage and seems truly legit at this point. (which I have not yet seen, so maybe I'm just ignorant)
 
2013-07-14 02:10:59 PM  
Creeped out by the Zimmerman decision, NAACP invites people to sign a petition for the DOJ to look into civil rights violations. Difficulty: NAACP's website down due to too many people trying to sign the petition

Interesting justice system you have Americans. If you don't like the verdict...you know, decided by 12 people who heard the evidence....you just say "screw it". Let's hang 'em anyhow. First, let's burn sh*t down and hurt other people because...well f*ck it. Let's just burn sh*t down.

Isn't that the kind of silly sh*t you're always accusing countries like North Korea and Iran of?

Taliban American. Doing justice the vigilante way ----
 
2013-07-14 02:11:27 PM  

sheep snorter: So according to the jury's moronic result of the case...... We can get out of our cars and stalk and then murder a black kid because he looked suspicious.

/Providing you are white enough, that is.
//Oh and state that when you confronted him, the kid tried to stand his ground to get your cracker ass from stalking him.
//But we all know that stand your ground is only for frightened paranoid loser white people to use.


Please reference the evidence indicating that Mr. Trayvon Martin experienced a reasonable fear of imminent death, grievous bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual assault prior to his attacking Mr. Zimmerman.
 
2013-07-14 02:12:53 PM  

vartian: BravadoGT: He was a thug who sucker punched another man and tried to do worse.  He was bangin', just like his old man, "Crippin All Time"

fark you, you disgusting piece of shiat.


Ah, the reasoned discourse of the left.  How unexpected!
 
2013-07-14 02:13:23 PM  
It's a tough case for the race baiters. Zimmerman is a Hispanic guy with a Jewish name and light skin. How to keep the hate alive?

But the rave baiters keep trying. And pretty much succeed except at the trial.
 
2013-07-14 02:13:39 PM  

Dimensio: sheep snorter: So according to the jury's moronic result of the case...... We can get out of our cars and stalk and then murder a black kid because he looked suspicious.

/Providing you are white enough, that is.
//Oh and state that when you confronted him, the kid tried to stand his ground to get your cracker ass from stalking him.
//But we all know that stand your ground is only for frightened paranoid loser white people to use.

Please reference the evidence indicating that Mr. Trayvon Martin experienced a reasonable fear of imminent death, grievous bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual assault prior to his attacking Mr. Zimmerman.


The fact that he ran away? Does that work for you?

The acquittal doesn't change what happened.
 
2013-07-14 02:13:56 PM  

vartian: BravadoGT: He was a thug who sucker punched another man and tried to do worse.  He was bangin', just like his old man, "Crippin All Time"

fark you, you disgusting piece of shiat.


PERSONAL ATTACK!
 
2013-07-14 02:14:31 PM  

sheep snorter: So according to the jury's moronic result of the case...... We can get out of our cars and stalk and then murder a black kid because he looked suspicious.

/Providing you are white enough, that is.
//Oh and state that when you confronted him, the kid tried to stand his ground to get your cracker ass from stalking him.
//But we all know that stand your ground is only for frightened paranoid loser white people to use.


Please reference the evidence indicating that Mr. Trayvon Martin experienced a reasonable fear of imminent death, grievous bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual assault prior to his attacking Mr. Zimmerman.

Slaxl: Bigdogdaddy: He was found not guilty.  I didn't agree with it, but that's the way our system works.

But he killed him in self defence, so not guilty on those grounds makes perfect sense. Doesn't it? Or is it more that you would say that killing in self defence is still killing and thus he should have gone to jail anyway?
Being foreign I haven't paid close attention to this case, so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems pretty clear he was being assaulted, and probably a few head bashes on the pavement away from death himself, and he shot the guy. Does it really matter that he called the police to report him looking suspicious? That doesn't make him a racist, if anything given Martin's reaction it makes him perceptive.

Now, if Zimmerman had harrassed Martin, to the point where he went over and instigated the fight which he ended up losing and having to use his gun then exhoneration would be clearly wrong, but that would have come out in court if it were the case. So it seems to me rather clear, and fair, that Zimmerman was cleared, and why. Am I missing key facts?


You are evidently unaware that prior to being attacked, Mr. Zimmerman shouted numerous racial epithets and openly waved his firearm in front of Mr. Martin. These events are well-documented, as they were witnessed in great detail in the imaginations of individuals who were never anywhere near the confrontation but who have decided that Mr. Zimmerman must be guilty.
 
2013-07-14 02:14:49 PM  
Because, you know, double jeopardy totally isn't a civil rights violation, lol.
 
2013-07-14 02:14:57 PM  

Autarky: did not know that brown on black racism even existed....


Everyone hates everyone. Welcome to the human condition.
 
2013-07-14 02:15:28 PM  

BravadoGT: vartian: BravadoGT: He was a thug who sucker punched another man and tried to do worse.  He was bangin', just like his old man, "Crippin All Time"

fark you, you disgusting piece of shiat.

Ah, the reasoned discourse of the left.  How unexpected!


Yes, and your post was the epitome of reasoned discourse. I pity you.
 
2013-07-14 02:16:07 PM  

Erebus1954: It's a tough case for the race baiters. Zimmerman is a Hispanic guy with a Jewish name and light skin. How to keep the hate alive?


I think the problem was that since George couldn't hold down a job, people assumed he was white.  A lazy Mexican or an unemployed Jew is something most people can't get their heads around.
 
2013-07-14 02:16:08 PM  

vartian: Nabb1:People need to move on.

He'll get right on that.


If he'd have just gone home instead of deciding to make a fuss, he'd be alive. He chose poorly.
 
2013-07-14 02:16:54 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois

Yes, 17 years was plenty of time for this guy to prove worthy of life.


Here's a quote from my local paper:

"Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump acknowledged the disappointment of Trayvon Martin's supporters, ranking the teen alongside civil rights heroes Medgar Evers and Emmett Till in the history of the fight for equal justice. "
 
2013-07-14 02:17:40 PM  
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2013-07-14 02:19:21 PM  

vartian: jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.

You are a callous idiot every other day so I guess today is just par for the course.

That said, I won't sign it either - killing someone is a crime, but I don't see how constitutional rights factor in here. Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges. Sue the fark out of him in civil court to the point where his every waking moment is obsessed with the amount he has to pay, sure, but I don't see how we can justify an end run at double jeopardy.

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.


Lets see here, Race Baiter.  Killing someone is not *always* a crime, so you're wrong there.  Zimmerman didn't murder Trayvon, otherwise they would have convicted him, so you're wrong again there.  You can't prove Paranoia or a sense of entitlement.  You can't prove he's a racist.  And you can't take a second shot at him because of Double Jeopardy.

You're either a great troll, or a complete farking tool.

And I suppose on the off chance you're not an idiot and just trolling, I'll re-troll you with this:  Based on the other 900 pics the media had of Trayvon that showed him in a thug light, compared to the *1* they had of his babyface...do you honestly think he would've grown up to be a tax paying contributor to society?  No.
 
2013-07-14 02:19:22 PM  

Nabb1: vartian: Nabb1:People need to move on.

He'll get right on that.

If he'd have just gone home instead of deciding to make a fuss, he'd be alive. He chose poorly.


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2013-07-14 02:20:09 PM  
How many threads do you Trayvon supporters need to prove that you don't actually know what the law is?  Please state which civil rights law Zimmerman broke?  I'm sure his black girlfriend in HS and those blacks kids he mentored after school will backup Team Trayvon that he was a racist.
 
2013-07-14 02:20:10 PM  

MFAWG: The fact that he ran away?


It was entered into testimony that fetus trayvon made it all the way to his dads back yard.

But his body was found 300 feet away from that location.....


How did that happen?

Did Fetus Trayvon double back and start stalking Saint Zimmerman?

He was out of danger when he made it home....he started a confrontation all over again
 
2013-07-14 02:20:14 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: Here's a quote from my local paper:


I saw a clip from the press conference where he said that.  I gagged.  I imagine there are a lot of angry people (especially black people) out there if they heard that.  Horribly disrespectful to some heroes of the civil rights movement.
 
2013-07-14 02:20:51 PM  

vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court


I thought we usually mocked places where a burglar gets hurt while breaking into a home and ends up suing the homeowner.

This is very similar except in this case it's not a burglar it's someone who committed assault and instead of just getting hurt he got shot dead so the victim could protect himself.
 
2013-07-14 02:21:58 PM  

MyRandomName: How many threads do you Trayvon supporters need to prove that you don't actually know what the law is?  Please state which civil rights law Zimmerman broke?  I'm sure his black girlfriend in HS and those blacks kids he mentored after school will backup Team Trayvon that he was a racist.


b..but my feelings
 
2013-07-14 02:22:21 PM  

MFAWG: Dimensio: sheep snorter: So according to the jury's moronic result of the case...... We can get out of our cars and stalk and then murder a black kid because he looked suspicious.

/Providing you are white enough, that is.
//Oh and state that when you confronted him, the kid tried to stand his ground to get your cracker ass from stalking him.
//But we all know that stand your ground is only for frightened paranoid loser white people to use.

Please reference the evidence indicating that Mr. Trayvon Martin experienced a reasonable fear of imminent death, grievous bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual assault prior to his attacking Mr. Zimmerman.

The fact that he ran away? Does that work for you?

The acquittal doesn't change what happened.


He didn't run away.  He came back.  If he had run away this wouldn't have happened.   Did you even watch the trial?  Listen to the testimony?  His girlfriend basically confirmed that Trayvon initiated the confrontation.  The only racist words testified to during this entire trial came out of the mouth of Trayvon Martin.
 
2013-07-14 02:22:24 PM  

vartian: Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.

Reading that now. Lord, Florida is a farked-up state.


How dare the state/parties not be able to railroad from someone for 2 years when they are found not guilty according to the law.  HOW DARE!
 
2013-07-14 02:24:05 PM  

mgshamster: I've been told there would be riots after Z was found not guilty.  Where are the riots?


This happened in Oakland, although I am not sure it had anything to do with the decision.

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2013-07-14 02:24:19 PM  
You know what the really thing is? NCAAP and Rev. Al and jesse jackson have started this whole BS again just to make money, when its White on Black its money in their pockets, when its Black on Black? Nobody looks into it here are some statistics.

Blacks make up only 12.5% of the U.S. population - yet commit nearly 40% of murders in America every yearNearly 50% of murder victims in America are black. Again - blacks make up only 12.5% of the total populationBlacks kill more members of their own race every year than do all other races in America - combined. Sadly nothing is going to change, black on black simply doesn't draw money or interest.
 
2013-07-14 02:24:26 PM  

gfid: This is very similar except in this case it's not a burglar it's someone who committed assault and instead of just getting hurt he got shot dead so the victim could protect himself.


There are more punctuation marks than just periods out there.  Get to know them.
 
2013-07-14 02:25:17 PM  

Autarky: did not know that brown on black racism even existed....


"Founded in 1790, the Brown Fellowship Society is the oldest all-male Funeral Society in Charleston, South Carolina. It also provides a major historical example of how racism affected the African American community itself, in that lighter skinned African Americans in the Society considered themselves superior to darker skinned African Americans. "
 
2013-07-14 02:25:42 PM  
My paranoid Republican father-in-law, predicted something like this would happen if Martin was found Not Guilty.

Being the gullible sap I am, I said, no I don't see that happening.

Thanks for crushing another dream America.  Keep on keeping on.

And reasons like this, is why terrorists want us dead.
 
2013-07-14 02:25:50 PM  

cptjeff: BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois

And people wonder why everybody thinks Zimmerman's defenders are racists.


Interesting please define "everyone"......That's what I thought 1x1 = everyone?? say what??
 
2013-07-14 02:25:52 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: As much as I would have liked to see Zimm rot in jail, I'm not signing that. He was already put on trial.


Yes, this. Is it complete and utter bullshiat that he was acquitted? Yup. But guess what? That's the justice system. If you want to change it, change it, but you don't get to change the trial outcome just because you don't like it.
 
2013-07-14 02:26:27 PM  

MyRandomName: How many threads do you Trayvon supporters need to prove that you don't actually know what the law is?  Please state which civil rights law Zimmerman broke?  I'm sure his black girlfriend in HS and those blacks kids he mentored after school will backup Team Trayvon that he was a racist.


I heard his mom is racist, or said some racist things.  that's enough, right?
 
2013-07-14 02:26:55 PM  
And I'm a bit retarded.  I meant if Zimmerman was found not guilty.
 
2013-07-14 02:27:32 PM  
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The dude made saint faster than the pope. But what were his miracles?
 
2013-07-14 02:27:59 PM  
Great. Now that this pathetic distraction is all over, you goddamned idiots can pay attention to what matters.

NSA

ISDAfix

LIBOR

Drop your political parties and get a farking clue.
 
2013-07-14 02:28:06 PM  
Black people are the most racist people in the country now. There was a poll taken somewhere that was very interesting on this fact. Plus, posting pictures of the victim throwing gang signs sure helps too.

This kid got what was coming to him. And seeing our president is black, he finds a way to sidestep "double jeopardy" and the jury of our peers because he didn't get the result he wanted to see. Can't you all see that the government is writing laws on the fly now...

fark this government. That kid was nothing but another piece of shiat thug. Hey black people, I thought only whites could be racist.... Hypocrites.
 
2013-07-14 02:28:21 PM  
I keep hearing about Federal charges but all the statutes I have found so far require the violator to either be acting under the "the color of law" IE a state or federal official for the statute to be applied, or be running a place of commerce under the discrimination laws, since Zimmerman was neither but a individual acting on his own I can't find a relevant law
 
2013-07-14 02:28:28 PM  
I smell street justice.  If I were him I'd move my funky arse to the Himalayas and become a monk, he's got the look down.  So he's got that going for him, which is niiiice.
 
2013-07-14 02:28:56 PM  

BravadoGT: He was a thug who sucker punched another man and tried to do worse.


You were a witness?  Why didn't you testify?
 
2013-07-14 02:29:40 PM  

Proximuscentauri: Great. Now that this pathetic distraction is all over, you goddamned idiots can pay attention to what matters.

NSA

ISDAfix

LIBOR

Drop your political parties and get a farking clue.


Exactly. I would not be surprised at all if the DOJ tries to push something to keep the distraction alive.
 
2013-07-14 02:29:50 PM  
17 year-old teenagers are 50% more likely to commit a murder than 28 year-old adults.

/17 year old boy
//take away all the black murderers and Hispanic murderers in Chicago, and the city would be down to about 12 murders a year (Caucasians make up 3.5% of the murderers)
 
2013-07-14 02:29:57 PM  

varmitydog: [moonbattery.com image 500x500]
The dude made saint faster than the pope. But what were his miracles?


A lot of people whose side "won" seem surprisingly butthurt today.
 
2013-07-14 02:30:25 PM  

sheep snorter: So according to the jury's moronic result of the case...... We can get out of our cars and stalk and then murder a black kid because he looked suspicious.

/Providing you are white enough, that is.
//Oh and state that when you confronted him, the kid tried to stand his ground to get your cracker ass from stalking him.
//But we all know that stand your ground is only for frightened paranoid loser white people to use.


Please reference the evidence indicating that Mr. Trayvon Martin experienced a reasonable fear of imminent death, grievous bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual assault prior to his attacking Mr. Zimmerman.

Slaxl: Bigdogdaddy: He was found not guilty.  I didn't agree with it, but that's the way our system works.

But he killed him in self defence, so not guilty on those grounds makes perfect sense. Doesn't it? Or is it more that you would say that killing in self defence is still killing and thus he should have gone to jail anyway?
Being foreign I haven't paid close attention to this case, so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems pretty clear he was being assaulted, and probably a few head bashes on the pavement away from death himself, and he shot the guy. Does it really matter that he called the police to report him looking suspicious? That doesn't make him a racist, if anything given Martin's reaction it makes him perceptive.

Now, if Zimmerman had harrassed Martin, to the point where he went over and instigated the fight which he ended up losing and having to use his gun then exhoneration would be clearly wrong, but that would have come out in court if it were the case. So it seems to me rather clear, and fair, that Zimmerman was cleared, and why. Am I missing key facts?


You are evidently unaware that prior to being attacked, Mr. Zimmerman shouted numerous racial epithets and openly waved his firearm in front of Mr. Martin. These events are well-documented, as they were witnessed in great detail in the imaginations of individuals who were never anywhere near the confrontation but who have decided that Mr. Zimmerman must be guilty.

MFAWG: Dimensio: sheep snorter: So according to the jury's moronic result of the case...... We can get out of our cars and stalk and then murder a black kid because he looked suspicious.

/Providing you are white enough, that is.
//Oh and state that when you confronted him, the kid tried to stand his ground to get your cracker ass from stalking him.
//But we all know that stand your ground is only for frightened paranoid loser white people to use.

Please reference the evidence indicating that Mr. Trayvon Martin experienced a reasonable fear of imminent death, grievous bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual assault prior to his attacking Mr. Zimmerman.

The fact that he ran away? Does that work for you?


No. "Running away" may be indicative of a concern of possible harm in the future and not of a fear of imminent harm.
 
2013-07-14 02:30:42 PM  

doglover: Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.

This Floors Me. Florida is one of the dumbest states, and yet they have awesome legislation like this on the books?

Imagine, for a minute, if more species of lawsuits worked this way. You sue someone. You have to pay for EVERYTHING up front out of pocket. This would absolutely kill industries like patent trolls. It would be cheap as free to fight them, because it would be on their dime. And no one would ever settle, because any money is more expensive than free.

And quite frankly, civil lawsuits should be trumped by criminal ones. If you press charges, you should forfeit the right to sue. If you sue, you forfeit the right to press charges. It would remove the double jeopardy loop hole we've got goin' on how.


You do understand that the state files charges against defendants, not the victim of the defendant's crimes, right?  And that the state doesn't (ordinarily) have standing in a civil case for wrongful death?
 
2013-07-14 02:30:47 PM  

DoomPaul: vartian: jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.

You are a callous idiot every other day so I guess today is just par for the course.

That said, I won't sign it either - killing someone is a crime, but I don't see how constitutional rights factor in here. Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges. Sue the fark out of him in civil court to the point where his every waking moment is obsessed with the amount he has to pay, sure, but I don't see how we can justify an end run at double jeopardy.

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.

Funny, the African-American legal intern that volunteered to work for the defense for free and who's spent many hours with Zimmerman says otherwise. I'm sure you know better because [insert explanation here].

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/07/12/erin-mattingly -d nt-zimmermans-legal-intern.cnn.html


Thank you for that. I'm actually surprised that CNN ran that. She will make a good litigator.
 
2013-07-14 02:31:02 PM  

o5iiawah: mgshamster: I've been told there would be riots after Z was found not guilty.  Where are the riots?

This happened in Oakland, although I am not sure it had anything to do with the decision.

[pbs.twimg.com image 599x448]


Becareful showing photos of actual damage, as I did another thread, my post was deleted for "Flamewar" when it was actual damage from Oakland.
 
2013-07-14 02:31:09 PM  

varmitydog: [moonbattery.com image 500x500]
The dude made saint faster than the pope. But what were his miracles?


Some say the miracles were really just card tricks.
 
2013-07-14 02:31:16 PM  

Giltric: Yeah lets get some race baiting lawyers to suck more cash out of the Martin family.

Leave that poor family alone......stop exploiting your own people.


THIS!
 
2013-07-14 02:31:19 PM  

Brother Head: And I'm a bit retarded. I meant if Zimmerman was found not guilty.


Eh. No worries. No one is gonna notice at the derp level to which this thread has risen.
 
2013-07-14 02:31:41 PM  
This sounded like a hate crime.
Oh wait.....no it cannot be because the victim was white.
Funny how if the races in this story was reversed it would have been all over the news.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby-killed

I blame the media on both sides of this Zimmerman case for spoon feeding the public a bunch of crap
 
2013-07-14 02:31:49 PM  
Look at the bright side, they may burn Oakland down to the ground.
 
gja
2013-07-14 02:31:49 PM  
www.vote29.com
 
2013-07-14 02:32:04 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: BravadoGT: He was a thug who sucker punched another man and tried to do worse.

You were a witness?  Why didn't you testify?


I'm just recalling the UNCONTROVERTED evidence in the case.  Maybe you should have watched it?
 
2013-07-14 02:32:34 PM  

BunkyBrewman: He was found not guilty by a jury of his peers.

/yes, it's that simple regardless of one's feelings on the case


What are you talking about?  There weren't even any black people on the jury.

/yes, I know one of them was black but I saw a guy on either CBS or ABC say that this morning
//Not sure if they just got someone completely ignorant of the case or if he was saying a real black person would never have gone along with voting "not guilty"
 
2013-07-14 02:34:19 PM  

the_end_is_rear: Funny how if the races in this story was reversed it would have been all over the news.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby-killed


Isn't that the Georgia "Stand-Your-Playground" case?
 
2013-07-14 02:34:22 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Look at the bright side, they may burn Oakland down to the ground.


Nothing of value will be lost, hopefully the Raiders will disappear too.
 
2013-07-14 02:35:04 PM  

mgshamster: I've been told there would be riots after Z was found not guilty.  Where are the riots?


Lazy blacks are too lazy to riot I assume.  They won't take the time to conform to my stereotypes.  WTF is their problem?
 
2013-07-14 02:35:35 PM  

plmyfngr: ironic that the only thing racial about the incident were the comments made by Martin to his female friend on the phone...


Well, that and the fact that every inbred yahoo who hates Obama started passing around fake "thugged out" photos of Trayvon Martin the moment Obama said something about it.
 
2013-07-14 02:35:40 PM  

vartian: jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.

You are a callous idiot every other day so I guess today is just par for the course.

That said, I won't sign it either - killing someone is a crime, but I don't see how constitutional rights factor in here. Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges. Sue the fark out of him in civil court to the point where his every waking moment is obsessed with the amount he has to pay, sure, but I don't see how we can justify an end run at double jeopardy.

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.


Are you brainwashed, brain-damaged, willfully dishonest, or just good old-fashioned stupid?
 
2013-07-14 02:35:55 PM  

doglover: Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.

This Floors Me. Florida is one of the dumbest states, and yet they have awesome legislation like this on the books?

Imagine, for a minute, if more species of lawsuits worked this way. You sue someone. You have to pay for EVERYTHING up front out of pocket. This would absolutely kill industries like patent trolls. It would be cheap as free to fight them, because it would be on their dime. And no one would ever settle, because any money is more expensive than free.

And quite frankly, civil lawsuits should be trumped by criminal ones. If you press charges, you should forfeit the right to sue. If you sue, you forfeit the right to press charges. It would remove the double jeopardy loop hole we've got goin' on how.


This is exactly what the GOP and major industries want. Make it prohibitive for your average citizen to sue a corporation in any way. They're well on their way to taking the courts away from the populace. Congratulations, you failed to think you idea all the way through.
 
2013-07-14 02:36:11 PM  
I'd love to see how long I'd be able to collect money and signatures if I had a site called NAAWP (white people).

Slightly off topic:  I find it hilarious that so many african americans who have absolutely NOTHING to do with this case are so emotional, and feel like it's their right to cry, plead, biatch, moan, complain, and/riot just because they didn't get what they want.

I didn't agree with the OJ simpson verdict, but I didn't cry on the porch of the courthouse, I didn't promise to start looting black owned businesses.

The overall picture I get from this case (and many past ones) is that black people: you are just as racist as the rest of the world. When you rally behind someone because of the color of their skin, without knowing diddly squat about the case itself... it makes you look like a bunch of ignorant assholes.

My only first hand experience of this is when I was younger we (family) witnessed an auto accident with the at fault driver being black. Other guy was white.   We stuck around and told the police what we ACTUALLY saw (first hand).    While waiting for the cops to show up, the black party had about 10 friends and or magically and very quickly show up, all crying/sobbing/and telling the cops what 'really' happened (even though they were miles from the accident when it happened)

If we want to really get on the ball with equal rights -- how about we eliminate the "united negro college fund" OR we make it socially acceptable for me to start up the "united whites only college fund".   Let's keep going -- how about we make it illegal to say the N word, or we make it socially acceptable for EVERYONE to say it (not just one group).

Ask for a few of those things and you will quickly see the people pushing the hardest actually don't give a crap about being equal at all.
 
2013-07-14 02:36:14 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: varmitydog: [moonbattery.com image 500x500]
The dude made saint faster than the pope. But what were his miracles?

A lot of people whose side "won" seem surprisingly butthurt today.


They are disappointed that they can't act like victims of reverse racism since Zimmerman got off. Now all the wax they bought for their crosses will have to wait on the shelf.
 
2013-07-14 02:36:47 PM  

gfid: What are you talking about?  There weren't even any black people on the jury


So you're asserting that blacks judge guilt or innocence based on race alone?  There's no bigotry like soft bigotry.
 
2013-07-14 02:36:48 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.


So how did those riots turn out for you?
 
2013-07-14 02:36:57 PM  
The NAAPNNAA:

The National Association for the Advancement of People that Need a National Association to Advance.

That way white people that need halp can join too.
 
2013-07-14 02:38:06 PM  

doyner: the_end_is_rear: Funny how if the races in this story was reversed it would have been all over the news.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby-killed

Isn't that the Georgia "Stand-Your-Playground" case?


lol
Probably is.
Sad in either case.
 
2013-07-14 02:38:55 PM  

Dimensio: sheep snorter: So according to the jury's moronic result of the case...... We can get out of our cars and stalk and then murder a black kid because he looked suspicious.

/Providing you are white enough, that is.
//Oh and state that when you confronted him, the kid tried to stand his ground to get your cracker ass from stalking him.
//But we all know that stand your ground is only for frightened paranoid loser white people to use.

Please reference the evidence indicating that Mr. Trayvon Martin experienced a reasonable fear of imminent death, grievous bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual assault prior to his attacking Mr. Zimmerman.Slaxl: Bigdogdaddy: He was found not guilty.  I didn't agree with it, but that's the way our system works.

But he killed him in self defence, so not guilty on those grounds makes perfect sense. Doesn't it? Or is it more that you would say that killing in self defence is still killing and thus he should have gone to jail anyway?
Being foreign I haven't paid close attention to this case, so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems pretty clear he was being assaulted, and probably a few head bashes on the pavement away from death himself, and he shot the guy. Does it really matter that he called the police to report him looking suspicious? That doesn't make him a racist, if anything given Martin's reaction it makes him perceptive.

Now, if Zimmerman had harrassed Martin, to the point where he went over and instigated the fight which he ended up losing and having to use his gun then exhoneration would be clearly wrong, but that would have come out in court if it were the case. So it seems to me rather clear, and fair, that Zimmerman was cleared, and why. Am I missing key facts?

You are evidently unaware that prior to being attacked, Mr. Zimmerman shouted numerous racial epithets and openly waved his firearm in front of Mr. Martin. These events are well-documented, as they were witnessed in great detail in the imaginations ...


You have been in a coma haven't you. Either that or you are a troll. If that is the case, you get NO points.

/please insert quarter and try again
 
2013-07-14 02:39:00 PM  

puddleonfire: NAACP site gets hacked, names and addresses of all who signed are released to the public.
Let the hilarity ensue.


I bet if that happen their would be people who would see their names and be like WTF I never signed that!
 
2013-07-14 02:39:06 PM  
What someone the public doesn't like was found not guilty in court by a jury of their peers? FIND NEW CHARGES!

Just keep trying someone until we can get them on something.
 
2013-07-14 02:39:29 PM  

iq_in_binary: Fark It: iq_in_binary: "Stand Your Ground"

Yet another outraged person who didn't follow the trial, only Facebook and Twitter....

So you're telling me he DIDN'T raise tons of cash for his defense fund?

PLEASE tell me you're saying that.


It is as if he's commenting on the portion he quoted. Hmm...
 
2013-07-14 02:39:50 PM  

elysive: Has anyone commented yet that Zimmerman doesnt even look white?


What's whiter than a pale looking fat man?
I jest...
 
2013-07-14 02:40:14 PM  
This is hilarious. Folks are unjustly flipping out just like they did 17 months ago. The ignorant just remain ignorant. What a sad bunch of humans.
 
2013-07-14 02:40:32 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: varmitydog: [moonbattery.com image 500x500]
The dude made saint faster than the pope. But what were his miracles?

A lot of people whose side "won" seem surprisingly butthurt today.


Side, huh?
How foolish. This case was made into something it wasn't and it was seemingly successful in getting people to divide themselves yet again.
It's like I'm back in middle school.

indylaw: plmyfngr: ironic that the only thing racial about the incident were the comments made by Martin to his female friend on the phone...

Well, that and the fact that every inbred yahoo who hates Obama started passing around fake "thugged out" photos of Trayvon Martin the moment Obama said something about it.


Irrelevant to case, injecting emotions where facts should belong
 
2013-07-14 02:40:49 PM  

vartian: Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges.


i.qkme.me
 
2013-07-14 02:40:54 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: *yawn*

I just woke up...are America's urban neighborhoods flaming hulks of violent destruction yet?

...I was assured by many FARKers that the "race lords" and the Black Panthers were going to be lynching crackers all night...did I miss the action?


Well, Detroit is a flaming hulk of violent destruction, but we call it a feature. And it has nothing to do with any court case specifically.
 
2013-07-14 02:41:54 PM  

vartian: Nabb1:People need to move on.

 [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x523]

He'll get right on that.



Thug life?
Yeppers.
 
2013-07-14 02:43:18 PM  

LemSkroob: vartian: and he is certainly a racist

Yeah, only a real racists takes a black girl to the prom and serves as a mentor to black youth.


He also had a porn folder on his laptop labeled "Black Dicks in White Chicks".  Why won't the media mention that?
 
2013-07-14 02:43:30 PM  
Thanks to absurd public outrage, who demanded maximum punishment, GZ and Casey Anthony are free, both found not guilty in courtrooms about 30 miles apart.

I'm still not sure how at the 11th hour, after all evidence and testimony has been heard, the state can Ask the jury to consider Manslaughter when the entire defense strategy focused on the original charge of Murder 2.  They moved the goalposts and still lost.
 
2013-07-14 02:44:05 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Is this how it's gonna be? Just keep throwing charges at him until something sticks?

Probably.  And the people who cheered Ronald Goldman's family for their persistence will shiat all over the Martin family.


Well.. I suppose the case might be similar if the contention is that OJ was using a knife to defend himself against Ron Goldman's neck. Mind you neck bites kan be pretti nasti.
 
2013-07-14 02:47:09 PM  

MFAWG: Dimensio: sheep snorter: So according to the jury's moronic result of the case...... We can get out of our cars and stalk and then murder a black kid because he looked suspicious.

/Providing you are white enough, that is.
//Oh and state that when you confronted him, the kid tried to stand his ground to get your cracker ass from stalking him.
//But we all know that stand your ground is only for frightened paranoid loser white people to use.

Please reference the evidence indicating that Mr. Trayvon Martin experienced a reasonable fear of imminent death, grievous bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual assault prior to his attacking Mr. Zimmerman.

The fact that he ran away? Does that work for you?

The acquittal doesn't change what happened.


Hey there MFAWG, remember that little bet on the outcome of the trial that we had?

Doesn't it suck to be so wrong about the outcome of the trial? Does it burn that someone who did their research knew the evidence of the trial better than you did? Have you learned a lesson about betting with better informed people?

Since I'm already sponsored for this month, you're gonna have to wait about 27 days to pay on that bet.

Don't worry, I'll be there to remind you.
 
2013-07-14 02:47:21 PM  

indylaw: plmyfngr: ironic that the only thing racial about the incident were the comments made by Martin to his female friend on the phone...

Well, that and the fact that every inbred yahoo who hates Obama started passing around fake "thugged out" photos of Trayvon Martin the moment Obama said something about it.


This whole case pretty much immediately became an emotional narrative that two groups of people made up to fit what they felt the world was like. It didn't matter what the facts were, it didn't matter that Zimmerman was hispanic, or what kind of person he or Martin actually was, ZImmerman was plugged into the 'evil whitey' slot by some people, and Martin in the 'heroically oppressed african-american angel on his way to curing cancer' while others put Zimmerman in the 'heroic defender against darkies' slot, and Martin into the 'blah person ghetto thug threatening our neighborhoods'.

Few people cared what actually happened. Narratives were created out of different kinds of racism, and the two men became stand in characters. Some people wanted to see white people punished, some people wanted to see black people punished. If the races of Zimmerman and Martin were reversed, no one would be talking about this or giving a shiat.
 
2013-07-14 02:48:02 PM  

swfan: vartian: Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges.

[i.qkme.me image 625x351]


Protip: that meme is better without the words.
 
2013-07-14 02:49:09 PM  

LeroyBourne: I smell street justice.  If I were him I'd move my funky arse to the Himalayas and become a monk, he's got the look down.  So he's got that going for him, which is niiiice.


It would take a lot less than that for me to become a monk.  Resisting the urge since it is not challenging enough spiritually to just leave everything behind.  It requires a lot more strength and spiritual devotion to just stay here and deal with the complicated crap of this society.
 
2013-07-14 02:49:35 PM  

vartian: LemSkroob: vartian: and he is certainly a racist

Yeah, only a real racists takes a black girl to the prom and serves as a mentor to black youth.

Yeah, I'm sure he followed lots of white kids walking through his neighborhood.


He would have if the robbers who had been breaking into homes in that neighborhood had been white. They weren't, and you are a dishonest racist asshole
 
2013-07-14 02:50:12 PM  

doyner: gfid: This is very similar except in this case it's not a burglar it's someone who committed assault and instead of just getting hurt he got shot dead so the victim could protect himself.

There are more punctuation marks than just periods out there.  Get to know them.


Fark off!

How's that?
 
2013-07-14 02:50:18 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-14 02:50:21 PM  
why did crump tell the media it was ice tea instead of watermelon juice??

because he knew that every hood rat out there would know what the watermelon juice and skittles were for.

it was 2 of the ingredients to make purple drank, all trayvon had to do was add DXM, (Dextromethorphan ) the drink is also called "lean" in some hoods.

purple drank has a PCP like effect on a person.

trayvon's twitter account talks about drinking it all the time.

this is also why the autopsy showed liver damage on trayvon at such young age.

apparently the skittles and watermelon juice were not so innocent after all
 
2013-07-14 02:50:46 PM  

doyner: Hey guys, how about you not try to set a precedent for allowing double jeopardy and instead focus your efforts on unfarking Florida?

Conviction shopping is a serious threat to the rule of law, folks.




Yeah, this is not the golden calf they are looking for.
 
2013-07-14 02:51:51 PM  
Paul Blart stands his ground and Trayvon is in the ground. You wanna live thug life then don't be surprised when you get a thug's death.
 
2013-07-14 02:52:04 PM  

gfid: doyner: gfid: This is very similar except in this case it's not a burglar it's someone who committed assault and instead of just getting hurt he got shot dead so the victim could protect himself.

There are more punctuation marks than just periods out there.  Get to know them.

Fark off!

How's that?


Getting better!
 
2013-07-14 02:52:06 PM  

ObnoxiousLonghorn: why did crump tell the media it was ice tea instead of watermelon juice??

because he knew that every hood rat out there would know what the watermelon juice and skittles were for.

it was 2 of the ingredients to make purple drank, all trayvon had to do was add DXM, (Dextromethorphan ) the drink is also called "lean" in some hoods.

purple drank has a PCP like effect on a person.

trayvon's twitter account talks about drinking it all the time.

this is also why the autopsy showed liver damage on trayvon at such young age.

apparently the skittles and watermelon juice were not so innocent after all


This!  I heard they found Tylenol PM in his system too.  As everyone knows, all you need to make cheese heroin is Tylenol PM and heroin.
 
2013-07-14 02:52:44 PM  

sheep snorter: So according to the jury's moronic result of the case...... We can get out of our cars and stalk and then murder a black kid because he looked suspicious.

/Providing you are white enough, that is.
//Oh and state that when you confronted him, the kid tried to stand his ground to get your cracker ass from stalking him.
//But we all know that stand your ground is only for frightened paranoid loser white people to use.


I live with my mom

It doesn't even look like you mean it.
 
2013-07-14 02:52:46 PM  

Abox: Protip: that meme is better without the words.


Sorry, I'm a casual fark reader, so my meme-fu is quite weak and underdeveloped.  I shall return to lurking...
 
2013-07-14 02:53:49 PM  

hasty ambush: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x317]


Have there been riots in the last 24 hours?
 
2013-07-14 02:53:49 PM  

hasty ambush: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x317]


Wait....are you comparing the O.J trial to the Rodney King trial? Remember how blacks rioted after the Trayvon trial? Yeah, neither do I.
/rioting is always stupid but so are false equivalencies.
 
2013-07-14 02:54:15 PM  

swfan: Abox: Protip: that meme is better without the words.

Sorry, I'm a casual fark reader, so my meme-fu is quite weak and underdeveloped.  I shall return to lurking...


There's no turning back.
 
2013-07-14 02:54:33 PM  
images.sodahead.com
 
2013-07-14 02:55:12 PM  

indylaw: hasty ambush: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x317]

Have there been riots in the last 24 hours?


Just some localized vandalism at protests. Nothing that amounts to riots.
 
2013-07-14 02:55:14 PM  

indylaw: hasty ambush: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x317]

Have there been riots in the last 24 hours?


Fark has been an absolute riot for the past 24.

Many kicks have been had.
 
2013-07-14 02:55:49 PM  

swfan: Abox: Protip: that meme is better without the words. Sorry, I'm a casual fark reader, so my meme-fu is quite weak and underdeveloped.  I shall return to lurking...


4.bp.blogspot.com

I keed.
 
2013-07-14 02:56:03 PM  
So for all those who think justice was not served in the TM/DZ case......

Would you like to change our legal system so the burden of proof that the state has to present is lower than it is now?


Are you cool with that lower burden of proof affecting, Blacks, Hispanic and Whites equally?
 
2013-07-14 02:56:43 PM  

Carth: indylaw: hasty ambush: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x317]

Have there been riots in the last 24 hours?

Just some localized vandalism at protests. Nothing that amounts to riots.


Vandalism in Sanford implies that Sanford can be made more ugly through the application of human will. That's a hell of an assumption.
 
2013-07-14 02:56:57 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: swfan: Abox: Protip: that meme is better without the words. Sorry, I'm a casual fark reader, so my meme-fu is quite weak and underdeveloped.  I shall return to lurking...

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 300x170]

I keed.


Amateur tip:  that meme is better with words.

i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-07-14 02:57:10 PM  
Picking fights with strangers? If im being followed and harassed by a stranger Im going to intercept them. Following someone in a menacing manner is just as reasonable a reason for claiming self defense as anything Zimmerman had. He was the one pursuing Martin, so how is Martin the aggressor again?

cptjeff:
BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois

And people wonder why everybody thinks Zimmerman's defenders are racists.
 
2013-07-14 02:58:44 PM  
A petition for mob justice? Sign me up. I love a justice system based on popular opinion.
 
2013-07-14 02:58:52 PM  

INeedAName: BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois

Because people that make poor choices at 17 never amount to anything?

Wait, I get it. He's 17 AND black, so he can't amount to anything. Sorry. Forget to add in your latent racism.


On the flip side, you aren't free of the consequences of your stupid actions at 17 either.
 
2013-07-14 02:59:40 PM  

doglover: Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.

This Floors Me. Florida is one of the dumbest states, and yet they have awesome legislation like this on the books?

Imagine, for a minute, if more species of lawsuits worked this way. You sue someone. You have to pay for EVERYTHING up front out of pocket. This would absolutely kill industries like patent trolls. It would be cheap as free to fight them, because it would be on their dime. And no one would ever settle, because any money is more expensive than free.

And quite frankly, civil lawsuits should be trumped by criminal ones. If you press charges, you should forfeit the right to sue. If you sue, you forfeit the right to press charges. It would remove the double jeopardy loop hole we've got goin' on how.


1) Individuals do not press charges, the state files charges.

2) You are misusing the words "double jeopardy" and "loop hole".

3) Notwithstanding your fundamental misunderstanding of our criminal justice system (see #1), you are advocating for a system where if someone punches you in the nose, that person can either be charged with assault OR you can recover medical and other costs from them, but not both.

The only possible "double jeopardy loop hole" (which isn't even a loophole, but rather intentional) is the potential that a person will be tried for the same crime by both state and federal authorities. Currently the USDOJ has a policy in place where it will not pursue the same charges on a federal level if a person is adjudicated on the state level absence of bribery or similar malfeasance.
 
2013-07-14 02:59:40 PM  

Treygreen13: A petition for mob justice? Sign me up. I love a justice system based on popular opinion.


I prefer a system based on internet polls.
 
2013-07-14 03:00:19 PM  

Alathea: Picking fights with strangers? If im being followed and harassed by a stranger Im going to intercept them. Following someone in a menacing manner is just as reasonable a reason for claiming self defense as anything Zimmerman had. He was the one pursuing Martin, so how is Martin the aggressor again?

cptjeff: BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois

And people wonder why everybody thinks Zimmerman's defenders are racists.



According to testimony by the states witness, Trayvon made it to his fathers backyard.

His body was found 300 feet away.

Trayvon  started a new confrontation once he got away by doubling back and stalking Zimmerman.

You can not leave a situation fearing for your life and then put yourself back in the situation once you get away.

The clock gets reset once you do that and legalities change.
 
2013-07-14 03:01:14 PM  

indylaw: Carth: indylaw: hasty ambush: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x317]

Have there been riots in the last 24 hours?

Just some localized vandalism at protests. Nothing that amounts to riots.

Vandalism in Sanford implies that Sanford can be made more ugly through the application of human will. That's a hell of an assumption.


It was in actually Oakland that turned violent. But i think your point might still stand.

Some pictures
 
2013-07-14 03:02:13 PM  

Otto_E_Rodika: 17 year-old teenagers are 50% more likely to commit a murder than 28 year-old adults.

/17 year old boy
//take away all the black murderers and Hispanic murderers in Chicago, and the city would be down to about 12 murders a year (Caucasians make up 3.5% of the murderers)


Yes... well... remember it is wrong to profile people, even if they are more likely to commit crimes. If you do some white college students will get upset and call you a bigot.
 
2013-07-14 03:02:28 PM  

Pribar: El_Perro: Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.

I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.

See that's not the problem, in Florida if you are found not guilty in a criminal trial on self defense grounds it automatically bars a civil suit so the only way Martins family can go is to file in federal court, which is extremely hard to do since the relevant federal statutes are mainly geared toward violations by people in authority not individual citizens. They may get a suit going in federal court but it will be a uphill climb.


Zimmerman did not exercise his right to a pre-trial immunity hearing, and (as far as I know) the jury made no specific finding of fact that Zimmerman acted in self defense. Accordingly, there is no finding from Zimmerman's criminal trial that would immunize him from a civil suit. He could, of course, ask for an immunity hearing of and when he is sued, but that hearing would have the civil preponderance of the evidence standard.  He would have an excellent chance of winning that hearing, but, as I said, I don't thing it's a slam dunk either way.
 
2013-07-14 03:02:31 PM  
A civil rights organization is using a civil rights organization to violate the civil rights of another.

Inception or ironic?

Bonus: Zimmerman is a "colored person". They're going to advance his ass right to the gallows.
 
2013-07-14 03:03:33 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Treygreen13: A petition for mob justice? Sign me up. I love a justice system based on popular opinion.

I prefer a system based on internet polls.


I sort of hope they get 50 million signatures so we have an email database of people that will buy anything. They could sell it and make millions.
 
2013-07-14 03:03:48 PM  

WTFDYW: You have been in a coma haven't you. Either that or you are a troll. If that is the case, you get NO points.


You may wish to re-read my statement in full.
 
2013-07-14 03:05:47 PM  

o5iiawah: gfid: What are you talking about?  There weren't even any black people on the jury

So you're asserting that blacks judge guilt or innocence based on race alone?  There's no bigotry like soft bigotry.


notsureifserious

Did you read the rest of my post?

it was a black person on either CBS or ABC that claimed that.
 
2013-07-14 03:06:01 PM  

Alathea: Picking fights with strangers? If im being followed and harassed by a stranger Im going to intercept them. Following someone in a menacing manner is just as reasonable a reason for claiming self defense as anything Zimmerman had. He was the one pursuing Martin, so how is Martin the aggressor again?


The thing I can't figure out is, Martin having a cell phone and apparently a decent amount of time (four minutes, according to the lawyer types), why didn't he just call the police and report the creepy guy following him?  If someone's following me, I am absolutely NOT going to confront him unless I have no possible avenue of escape.  You never know when someone has a weapon or is unbalanced.  Discretion really is the better part of valor.

The flip side of that coin is, if I see a suspicious person in my neighborhood, I might follow them from a distance in my car and call the police, but I'm sure as hell not getting out to track him on foot.
 
2013-07-14 03:06:10 PM  

El_Perro: Zimmerman did not exercise his right to a pre-trial immunity hearing, and (as far as I know) the jury made no specific finding of fact that Zimmerman acted in self defense. Accordingly, there is no finding from Zimmerman's criminal trial that would immunize him from a civil suit. He could, of course, ask for an immunity hearing of and when he is sued, but that hearing would have the civil preponderance of the evidence standard. He would have an excellent chance of winning that hearing, but, as I said, I don't thing it's a slam dunk either way.


MOM claimed during the press conference that this verdict puts them in the immunity from civil trial category.

I do not know who I should believe....a lawyer practicing law in Florida and winning the not guilty verdict, or white college students who smell of body odor and pachooli with nasty natty dreads on their head.
 
2013-07-14 03:06:38 PM  

LemSkroob: El_Perro: I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.

What he said was two things. (1) In FL civil court, its loser pays and (2) In FL, a successful self-defense case, like Zimmerman, is automatically immune, so its simply not going to happen.

See

my other response - the mere fact that he was found not guilty after raising a self defense argument does not automatically make him immune. He'd have to seek immunity if and when he is sued. Even O'Mara said, during hos press conference last night, that they will seek immunity if sued.
 
2013-07-14 03:07:08 PM  

Carth: It was in actually Oakland that turned violent. But i think your point might still stand.

Some pictures


Burning a flag at McDonalds?!

Oh. My. God. It just simply doesn't get any more American than that.

/U S A, U S A!
 
2013-07-14 03:07:13 PM  

Pete_T_Mann: Otto_E_Rodika: 17 year-old teenagers are 50% more likely to commit a murder than 28 year-old adults.

/17 year old boy
//take away all the black murderers and Hispanic murderers in Chicago, and the city would be down to about 12 murders a year (Caucasians make up 3.5% of the murderers)

Yes... well... remember it is wrong to profile people, even if they are more likely to commit crimes. If you do some white college students will get upset and call you a bigot.


Oh...it's ok to profile people again? I thought that stopped being cool after that IRS thing.
 
2013-07-14 03:08:03 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: swfan: Abox: Protip: that meme is better without the words. Sorry, I'm a casual fark reader, so my meme-fu is quite weak and underdeveloped.  I shall return to lurking...

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 300x170]

I keed.


So mean.  Fark hurt my feelings.
 
2013-07-14 03:08:16 PM  

El_Perro: LemSkroob: El_Perro: I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.

What he said was two things. (1) In FL civil court, its loser pays and (2) In FL, a successful self-defense case, like Zimmerman, is automatically immune, so its simply not going to happen.

See my other response - the mere fact that he was found not guilty after raising a self defense argument does not automatically make him immune. He'd have to seek immunity if and when he is sued. Even O'Mara said, during hos press conference last night, that they will seek immunity if sued.


And if he gets immunity whoever brought the case before the court would be responsible for his legal fees for the immunity trial.
 
2013-07-14 03:09:24 PM  

ElLoco: Carth: It was in actually Oakland that turned violent. But i think your point might still stand.

Some pictures

Burning a flag at McDonalds?!

Oh. My. God. It just simply doesn't get any more American than that.

/U S A, U S A!


Plus it was likely a bunch of anarchist douches in Berkeley that started that. They did the same thing when people were protesting that BART cop that shot that black guy.
 
2013-07-14 03:09:37 PM  
Funny how it's acceptable for black people to go running to the NAACP over this verdict, but when OJ was found innocent they were celebrating and laughing in white people's faces and us white folks did not have an organization like NAACP to go running to mommy like these asshats are. Suck it up like the white people had to do for OJ. Black people always go running to someone and crying racism at the drop of the hat when they don't get their way. And then people wonder why I don't like black people.
 
2013-07-14 03:09:46 PM  
There are three likely possibilities:

Possibility #1:  The NAACP website really sucks.

Possibility #2:  There are a lot of really stupid people out there.

Possibility #3:  A combination of Possibility #1 and Possibility #2.

My money is on Possibility #3.
 
2013-07-14 03:10:05 PM  

Slaxl: Bigdogdaddy: He was found not guilty.  I didn't agree with it, but that's the way our system works.

But he killed him in self defence, so not guilty on those grounds makes perfect sense. Doesn't it? Or is it more that you would say that killing in self defence is still killing and thus he should have gone to jail anyway? 

Being foreign I haven't paid close attention to this case, so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems pretty clear he was being assaulted, and probably a few head bashes on the pavement away from death himself, and he shot the guy. Does it really matter that he called the police to report him looking suspicious? That doesn't make him a racist, if anything given Martin's reaction it makes him perceptive.

Now, if Zimmerman had harrassed Martin, to the point where he went over and instigated the fight which he ended up losing and having to use his gun then exhoneration would be clearly wrong, but that would have come out in court if it were the case. So it seems to me rather clear, and fair, that Zimmerman was cleared, and why. Am I missing key facts?


You seem to have all the facts down. Unfortunately the sequence of events are one sided, but they are the facts. Anyone telling you otherwise is filling in their own blanks and connecting the dots to form the picture they want.

Zimmerman saw someone acting suspiciously.
Called police.
Followed suspicious individual.
A confrontation ensued and a fight ouccured.
During that fight zimmerman sustained injuries.
His injuries and eyewitness testimony supported his scenario of events for selfdefense.
 
2013-07-14 03:10:11 PM  

Giltric: El_Perro: Zimmerman did not exercise his right to a pre-trial immunity hearing, and (as far as I know) the jury made no specific finding of fact that Zimmerman acted in self defense. Accordingly, there is no finding from Zimmerman's criminal trial that would immunize him from a civil suit. He could, of course, ask for an immunity hearing of and when he is sued, but that hearing would have the civil preponderance of the evidence standard. He would have an excellent chance of winning that hearing, but, as I said, I don't thing it's a slam dunk either way.

MOM claimed during the press conference that this verdict puts them in the immunity from civil trial category.

I do not know who I should believe....a lawyer practicing law in Florida and winning the not guilty verdict, or white college students who smell of body odor and pachooli with nasty natty dreads on their head.


I'm a great judge of people. I think you should trust Fark poster EL PERRO over the attorneys in the matter of Florida statutes.
 
2013-07-14 03:10:41 PM  
in the 17 months or whatever since this incident happened how many 17 year old black males have been killed by other black males and why is no one up in arms and outraged about that?
 
2013-07-14 03:11:07 PM  

El_Perro: LemSkroob: El_Perro: I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.

What he said was two things. (1) In FL civil court, its loser pays and (2) In FL, a successful self-defense case, like Zimmerman, is automatically immune, so its simply not going to happen.

See my other response - the mere fact that he was found not guilty after raising a self defense argument does not automatically make him immune. He'd have to seek immunity if and when he is sued. Even O'Mara said, during hos press conference last night, that they will seek immunity if sued.


he said they will seek and receive immunity.

Its basically a done deal. Just a formality of filling out paper work according to FL statute.
 
2013-07-14 03:11:34 PM  

Proximuscentauri: Great. Now that this pathetic distraction is all over, you goddamned idiots can pay attention to what matters.

NSA

ISDAfix

LIBOR

Drop your political parties and get a farking clue.


lolrite. The media will throw another non-issue and blow it out of proportion so the masses have something new to be outraged about while our corporate and government overlords keep hording power and wealth bit by bit in the background.
 
2013-07-14 03:11:43 PM  

swfan: The thing I can't figure out is, Martin having a cell phone and apparently a decent amount of time (four minutes, according to the lawyer types), why didn't he just call the police and report the creepy guy following him?


Because regardless of what some want you to believe, Martin was not afraid.
 
2013-07-14 03:12:17 PM  

plmyfngr: in the 17 months or whatever since this incident happened how many 17 year old black males have been killed by other black males and why is no one up in arms and outraged about that?


They are. It just isn't as sexy for TV ratings like this was.
 
2013-07-14 03:12:54 PM  

plmyfngr: in the 17 months or whatever since this incident happened how many 17 year old black males have been killed by other black males and why is no one up in arms and outraged about that?


Bill Cosby probably is but he is an Uncle Tom for his opinion.
 
2013-07-14 03:13:07 PM  
Fark racists are pretty sad about not getting their race war.
 
2013-07-14 03:13:19 PM  

Rapmaster2000: StoPPeRmobile: swfan: Abox: Protip: that meme is better without the words. Sorry, I'm a casual fark reader, so my meme-fu is quite weak and underdeveloped.  I shall return to lurking...

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 300x170]

I keed.

Amateur tip:  that meme is better with words.

[i1.kym-cdn.com image 299x156]




www.legendisland.com
 
2013-07-14 03:13:24 PM  

indylaw: hasty ambush: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x317]

Have there been riots in the last 24 hours?


it has only been 12 hour since the verdict was read.
 
2013-07-14 03:13:47 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-14 03:14:43 PM  

Giltric: El_Perro: LemSkroob: El_Perro: I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.

What he said was two things. (1) In FL civil court, its loser pays and (2) In FL, a successful self-defense case, like Zimmerman, is automatically immune, so its simply not going to happen.

See my other response - the mere fact that he was found not guilty after raising a self defense argument does not automatically make him immune. He'd have to seek immunity if and when he is sued. Even O'Mara said, during hos press conference last night, that they will seek immunity if sued.

he said they will seek and receive immunity.

Its basically a done deal. Just a formality of filling out paper work according to FL statute.


metrouk2.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-14 03:16:53 PM  
Remember, if you are a neighborhood watch captain, and you see suspicious activity that may be related to a recent rash of break-ins, you are not allowed to pursue it if the perp is black...unless you are also black. Because it is about race, and not about law and order.

I also think when white cops arrest blacks, it's a violation of the Geneva Convention.
 
2013-07-14 03:17:19 PM  

LtDarkstar: Funny how it's acceptable for black people to go running to the NAACP over this verdict, but when OJ was found innocent they were celebrating and laughing in white people's faces and us white folks did not have an organization like NAACP to go running to mommy like these asshats are. Suck it up like the white people had to do for OJ. Black people always go running to someone and crying racism at the drop of the hat when they don't get their way. And then people wonder why I don't like black people.


It's not really a mystery. You racists aren't terribly clever.
 
2013-07-14 03:18:19 PM  

Carth: indylaw: Carth: indylaw: hasty ambush: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x317]

Have there been riots in the last 24 hours?

Just some localized vandalism at protests. Nothing that amounts to riots.

Vandalism in Sanford implies that Sanford can be made more ugly through the application of human will. That's a hell of an assumption.

It was in actually Oakland that turned violent. But i think your point might still stand.

Some pictures


To be fair that is a normal Friday-Saturday night in Oakland.....
 
2013-07-14 03:18:41 PM  

KimNorth: indylaw: hasty ambush: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x317]

Have there been riots in the last 24 hours?

it has only been 12 hour since the verdict was read.


about 17 1/2. At any rate, what's the likelihood that people are going to hear the verdict, get upset, go home, sleep, wake up in the morning, go about there day for several hours and then, at 3 in the afternoon, say "Let's burn some shiat!"?
 
2013-07-14 03:19:06 PM  

El_Perro: Pribar: El_Perro: Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.

I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.

See that's not the problem, in Florida if you are found not guilty in a criminal trial on self defense grounds it automatically bars a civil suit so the only way Martins family can go is to file in federal court, which is extremely hard to do since the relevant federal statutes are mainly geared toward violations by people in authority not individual citizens. They may get a suit going in federal court but it will be a uphill climb.

Zimmerman did not exercise his right to a pre-trial immunity hearing, and (as far as I know) the jury made no specific finding of fact that Zimmerman acted in self defense. Accordingly, there is no finding from Zimmerman's criminal trial that would immunize him from a civil suit. He could, of course, ask for an immunity hearing of and when he is sued, but that hearing would have the civil preponderance of the evidence standard.  He would have an excellent chance of winning that hearing, but, as I said, I don't thing it's a slam dunk either way.


Self defense was the only verdict that would have lead to Not Guilty.  Zimmerman admitted to shooting.  That was not in argument.  To lose Manslaughter, self defense would have to have been ruled...
 
2013-07-14 03:19:53 PM  

swfan: Abox: Protip: that meme is better without the words.

Sorry, I'm a casual fark reader, so my meme-fu is quite weak and underdeveloped.  I shall return to lurking...


It's okay, the people that think image macros are memes are the ones in the wrong.
Reddit and all that.
 
2013-07-14 03:19:58 PM  

varmitydog: [moonbattery.com image 500x500]
The dude made saint faster than the pope. But what were his miracles?


He turned a mixed race man into a white supremest.

That's one.  We need two more.
 
2013-07-14 03:20:06 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Fark racists are pretty sad about not getting their race war.


Face it dude, you were wrong about everything you said about this case.
 
2013-07-14 03:21:29 PM  

SevenizGud: Remember, if you are a neighborhood watch captain, and you see suspicious activity that may be related to a recent rash of break-ins, you are not allowed to pursue it if the perp is black...unless you are also black. Because it is about race, and not about law and order.

I also think when white cops arrest blacks, it's a violation of the Geneva Convention.


Not for nothing, but most neighborhood watch folks wouldn't do something this astoundingly stupid and have said he basically did everything wrong. If you find yourself on trial for your watch duties, you've kind of ruined your purpose.
 
2013-07-14 03:22:27 PM  

OgreMagi: varmitydog: [moonbattery.com image 500x500]
The dude made saint faster than the pope. But what were his miracles?

He turned a mixed race man into a white supremest.

That's one.  We need two more.




t0.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-14 03:22:29 PM  

Giltric: El_Perro: LemSkroob: El_Perro: I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.

What he said was two things. (1) In FL civil court, its loser pays and (2) In FL, a successful self-defense case, like Zimmerman, is automatically immune, so its simply not going to happen.

See my other response - the mere fact that he was found not guilty after raising a self defense argument does not automatically make him immune. He'd have to seek immunity if and when he is sued. Even O'Mara said, during hos press conference last night, that they will seek immunity if sued.

he said they will seek and receive immunity.

Its basically a done deal. Just a formality of filling out paper work according to FL statute


He said they would seek and get immunity, yes, but that does not mean it is just paperwork.  What statute makes it a formality to get civil immunity with no specific finding of fact that he acted in self defense?  It would take a hearing in the civil case. A hearing that Zimmerman would likely win, but certainly no 'formality'
 
2013-07-14 03:23:04 PM  
What's really hilarious is that fark's left has gone from the mantra of "You hate brown people" in regards to the Immigration debate to actually... hating a brown person.  How racist is it to put forth a theory that "he's not really Hispanic, therefore Trayvon was innocent and Zimmerman deserves 30 years."  You are telling someone they are not the ethnicity that they are.  Yet... it's the people who understand the evidence and law that you are calling racists.  Amazing.
 
2013-07-14 03:23:07 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: Fark racists are pretty sad about not getting their race war.

Face it dude, you were wrong about everything you said about this case.


No, I said several times that he was going to walk.

But it looks like your grand predictions of a race war aren't really panning out. Poor guy, you bought all of that ammo.
 
2013-07-14 03:23:14 PM  
i.imgur.com
Bush jr sure has got a dark tan.... But look at them nice teeth..
 
2013-07-14 03:23:22 PM  

Pribar: I keep hearing about Federal charges but all the statutes I have found so far require the violator to either be acting under the "the color of law" IE a state or federal official for the statute to be applied, or be running a place of commerce under the discrimination laws, since Zimmerman was neither but a individual acting on his own I can't find a relevant law


But he was a "Neighborhood Watch Captain" and so apparently thought that that entitled him to exit a vehicle and pursue a person in the neighborhood for no reason.
 
2013-07-14 03:24:21 PM  

El_Perro: Giltric: El_Perro: LemSkroob: El_Perro: I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.

What he said was two things. (1) In FL civil court, its loser pays and (2) In FL, a successful self-defense case, like Zimmerman, is automatically immune, so its simply not going to happen.

See my other response - the mere fact that he was found not guilty after raising a self defense argument does not automatically make him immune. He'd have to seek immunity if and when he is sued. Even O'Mara said, during hos press conference last night, that they will seek immunity if sued.

he said they will seek and receive immunity.

Its basically a done deal. Just a formality of filling out paper work according to FL statute

He said they would seek and get immunity, yes, but that does not mean it is just paperwork.  What statute makes it a formality to get civil immunity with no specific finding of fact that he acted in self defense?  It would take a hearing in the civil case. A hearing that Zimmerman would likely win, but certainly no 'formality'


There was no way he is found not guilty except for in finding for self defense.  Have you really not been paying attention?
 
2013-07-14 03:24:43 PM  
Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "
 
2013-07-14 03:25:59 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Pete_T_Mann: Otto_E_Rodika: 17 year-old teenagers are 50% more likely to commit a murder than 28 year-old adults.

/17 year old boy
//take away all the black murderers and Hispanic murderers in Chicago, and the city would be down to about 12 murders a year (Caucasians make up 3.5% of the murderers)

Yes... well... remember it is wrong to profile people, even if they are more likely to commit crimes. If you do some white college students will get upset and call you a bigot.

Oh...it's ok to profile people again? I thought that stopped being cool after that IRS thing.


The massive amount of murders the Tea party was committing through their PACs justified that action.
 
2013-07-14 03:26:21 PM  

The Muthaship: It's time for Obama to come out and say thank you to the State of Florida for going to great lengths to see that we found out for sure what happened in this case,  And then to applaud the jury for doing the right thing.  And finally to tell the NAACP (and others) to STFU.


Or or a Beer Summit

www.theperfectlyhappyman.com
 
2013-07-14 03:26:30 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: LtDarkstar: Funny how it's acceptable for black people to go running to the NAACP over this verdict, but when OJ was found innocent they were celebrating and laughing in white people's faces and us white folks did not have an organization like NAACP to go running to mommy like these asshats are. Suck it up like the white people had to do for OJ. Black people always go running to someone and crying racism at the drop of the hat when they don't get their way. And then people wonder why I don't like black people.

It's not really a mystery. You racists aren't terribly clever.


Meh... I just hit the ignore button. I agree with the verdict but, well, I'm also half black. I wonder if that makes me racist?
 
2013-07-14 03:27:29 PM  

indylaw: KimNorth: indylaw: hasty ambush: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x317]

Have there been riots in the last 24 hours?

it has only been 12 hour since the verdict was read.

about 17 1/2. At any rate, what's the likelihood that people are going to hear the verdict, get upset, go home, sleep, wake up in the morning, go about there day for several hours and then, at 3 in the afternoon, say "Let's burn some shiat!"?


I don't know it's not dark yet....also it's only early afternoon all the so called troublemakers won't wake up for several hour now. But your right, I don't think it will happen the verdict came late folks were to tired and out of steam for a good riot if they even had a mind for one. Not happening.
 
2013-07-14 03:27:43 PM  

Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "


What's wrong with that?
 
2013-07-14 03:28:07 PM  

OgreMagi: varmitydog: [moonbattery.com image 500x500]
The dude made saint faster than the pope. But what were his miracles?

He turned a mixed race man into a white supremest.

That's one.  We need two more.


He made the media care about a dead black man.
 
2013-07-14 03:28:46 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: But it looks like your grand predictions of a race war aren't really panning out. Poor guy, you bought all of that ammo.


I never predicted a race war and don't own guns. As for riots, this is far from over.
 
2013-07-14 03:29:12 PM  

Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "


"Gun violence", eh? Play to the base, put GZ on the same level as the Newtown killer with your ongoing "debate" on that issue. That's great. Great jorb, Mr. President.
 
2013-07-14 03:29:22 PM  

plmyfngr: ironic that the only thing racial about the incident were the comments made by Martin to his female friend on the phone...


Don't let facts get in the way of a lynching.
 
2013-07-14 03:29:37 PM  

El_Perro: Giltric: El_Perro: LemSkroob: El_Perro: I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.

What he said was two things. (1) In FL civil court, its loser pays and (2) In FL, a successful self-defense case, like Zimmerman, is automatically immune, so its simply not going to happen.

See my other response - the mere fact that he was found not guilty after raising a self defense argument does not automatically make him immune. He'd have to seek immunity if and when he is sued. Even O'Mara said, during hos press conference last night, that they will seek immunity if sued.

he said they will seek and receive immunity.

Its basically a done deal. Just a formality of filling out paper work according to FL statute

He said they would seek and get immunity, yes, but that does not mean it is just paperwork.  What statute makes it a formality to get civil immunity with no specific finding of fact that he acted in self defense?  It would take a hearing in the civil case. A hearing that Zimmerman would likely win, but certainly no 'formality'


A not guilty verdict meant there was a justifiable use of force.

If it was not a justifiable use of force Zimmerman would have been guilty of one of the charges.

Justifiable use of force and self defense leads to immunity from civil action.

Georges defense was a self defense claim.
 
2013-07-14 03:29:43 PM  
Why would anyone riot on a weekend? The riots will start tomorrow so folks an excuse to miss work.
 
2013-07-14 03:29:57 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: What's wrong with that?


He's saying we should honor somebody that committed a violent crime on another person. Do you really not get that?
 
2013-07-14 03:30:39 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

What's wrong with that?


Other than I think the whole situation would have been better had he stayed out of it, this was  a case about self defense. Exactly what law abiding citizens should have guns for.
 
2013-07-14 03:31:48 PM  
It is not a well known fact, but the Department of "Justice" also sent people to Florida to organize anti--Zimmerman protests---further enflaming an already heated lynch mob atmosphere---and this was done with taxpayer money.

I would say Eric Holder has some mighty hard questions to answer on this one---and so does Comrade Obsamavich.
 
2013-07-14 03:31:50 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

What's wrong with that?


I'm not sure the best way to honor someone who flaunted possession of illegal firearms is to pass more arduous gun laws.

Is Obama implying that laws should be passed so that people like GZ can't have/carry guns? Or is he just arguing for a societal change of how we interact (with guns)?

Murder rate has been cut in half the last 2 decades anyway. Seems like our society is already on the right path.
 
2013-07-14 03:32:00 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: But it looks like your grand predictions of a race war aren't really panning out. Poor guy, you bought all of that ammo.

I never predicted a race war and don't own guns. As for riots, this is far from over.


Dude I get it, you see black people as a monolith that think like animals with no self control or sense of propriety.
 
2013-07-14 03:32:53 PM  

Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "


ON FARKEN BELIEVABLE!!!!! THAT ASSHAT!!!
 
2013-07-14 03:33:21 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: But it looks like your grand predictions of a race war aren't really panning out. Poor guy, you bought all of that ammo.

I never predicted a race war and don't own guns. As for riots, this is far from over.

Dude I get it, you see black people as a monolith that think like animals with no self control or sense of propriety.


Dude, I get it.  You hate hispanics.
 
2013-07-14 03:34:24 PM  
If you are a 'neighborhood watch captain' (whatever the hell that is)  You have no legal standing to pursue or detain anybody, much less assault them or brandish a weapon at them.

SevenizGud:
Remember, if you are a neighborhood watch captain, and you see suspicious activity that may be related to a recent rash of break-ins, you are not allowed to pursue it if the perp is black...unless you are also black. Because it is about race, and not about law and order.

I also think when white cops arrest blacks, it's a violation of the Geneva Convention.
 
2013-07-14 03:35:14 PM  

Alathea: If you are a 'neighborhood watch captain' (whatever the hell that is)  You have no legal standing to pursue or detain anybody, much less assault them or brandish a weapon at them.

SevenizGud: Remember, if you are a neighborhood watch captain, and you see suspicious activity that may be related to a recent rash of break-ins, you are not allowed to pursue it if the perp is black...unless you are also black. Because it is about race, and not about law and order.

I also think when white cops arrest blacks, it's a violation of the Geneva Convention.


Being a Neighborhood Watch captain does not add/subtract from legal responsibilities... What are you talking about?
 
2013-07-14 03:35:15 PM  

ThatVANguy: Why would anyone riot on a weekend? The riots will start tomorrow so folks an excuse to miss work.


I'm confused. You think the people rioting are the kind of people who have jobs?
 
2013-07-14 03:35:17 PM  

MyRandomName: HotWingConspiracy: Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: But it looks like your grand predictions of a race war aren't really panning out. Poor guy, you bought all of that ammo.

I never predicted a race war and don't own guns. As for riots, this is far from over.

Dude I get it, you see black people as a monolith that think like animals with no self control or sense of propriety.

Dude, I get it.  You hate hispanics.


Oh I thought he was Jewish. Racist.
 
2013-07-14 03:35:22 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Dude I get it, you see black people as a monolith that think like animals with no self control or sense of propriety.


What I see is the media trying their best to whip people into a frenzy. Funny how you keep accusing everybody else of being racist when you're the one who is.
 
2013-07-14 03:35:57 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: MyRandomName: HotWingConspiracy: Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: But it looks like your grand predictions of a race war aren't really panning out. Poor guy, you bought all of that ammo.

I never predicted a race war and don't own guns. As for riots, this is far from over.

Dude I get it, you see black people as a monolith that think like animals with no self control or sense of propriety.

Dude, I get it.  You hate hispanics.

Oh I thought he was Jewish. Racist.


So you hate jews.  Glad you admitted to hating one of his parental lineages.  It explains why you refuse to look at what facts were actually in evidence.
 
2013-07-14 03:35:57 PM  

Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "


YOU KNOW MAYBE HE SHOULD ASK WHY IN HIS HOME CHICAGO A BLACK KID IS SHOT EVERY DAY BY ANOTHER BLACK KID!!!!! STUPID!
 
2013-07-14 03:36:35 PM  

Alathea: If you are a 'neighborhood watch captain' (whatever the hell that is)  You have no legal standing to pursue or detain anybody, much less assault them or brandish a weapon at them.

SevenizGud: Remember, if you are a neighborhood watch captain, and you see suspicious activity that may be related to a recent rash of break-ins, you are not allowed to pursue it if the perp is black...unless you are also black. Because it is about race, and not about law and order.

I also think when white cops arrest blacks, it's a violation of the Geneva Convention.


It is a good thing Zimmerman wasn't working for the neighborhood watch at the time. Only followed Martin when asked where he was going by the 911 dispatcher and stopped when they said they didn't need him to. Also the state had no evidence he brandished a weapon or assaulted Martin.
 
2013-07-14 03:36:57 PM  

MyRandomName: El_Perro: Giltric: El_Perro: LemSkroob: El_Perro: I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.

What he said was two things. (1) In FL civil court, its loser pays and (2) In FL, a successful self-defense case, like Zimmerman, is automatically immune, so its simply not going to happen.

See my other response - the mere fact that he was found not guilty after raising a self defense argument does not automatically make him immune. He'd have to seek immunity if and when he is sued. Even O'Mara said, during hos press conference last night, that they will seek immunity if sued.

he said they will seek and receive immunity.

Its basically a done deal. Just a formality of filling out paper work according to FL statute

He said they would seek and get immunity, yes, but that does not mean it is just paperwork.  What statute makes it a formality to get civil immunity with no specific finding of fact that he acted in self defense?  It would take a hearing in the civil case. A hearing that Zimmerman would likely win, but certainly no 'formality'

There was no way he is found not guilty except for in finding for self defense.  Have you really not been paying attention?


Of course he was found not guilty because of the self defense argument - without the self-defense argument, he may have been acquitted of second-degree murder (based on the "depraved mind" element), but it's hard to imagine him beating the manslaughter charge without self-defense.  You know that's why he won.  I know that's why he won.  But, for the purposes of immunity, that's irrelevant.  Without a specific finding of fact, a judge in a civil case doesn't get to infer why the jury acquitted.  The jury's finding in the criminal case cannot possibly be binding on a subsequent civil matter, because the jury reached no specific finding re: self-defense.

As O'Mara said, if sued, Zimmerman will seek and (likely) get immunity in a civil case.  But, it's not "automatic," as some have argued.
 
2013-07-14 03:37:00 PM  

MyRandomName: HotWingConspiracy: Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: But it looks like your grand predictions of a race war aren't really panning out. Poor guy, you bought all of that ammo.

I never predicted a race war and don't own guns. As for riots, this is far from over.

Dude I get it, you see black people as a monolith that think like animals with no self control or sense of propriety.

Dude, I get it.  You hate hispanics.



lol
 
2013-07-14 03:37:29 PM  
If I was Obama I would have stated that people should get their shiat together and stop creeping around and acting suspicious and bouncing peoples heads off the pavement because someone dared to disrespect them and looked at them funny....instead of trying to blame the gun or the guy who defended himself with the gun.

If it wasn't for the gun Trayvon would have killed Zimmerman....why would you support a president who believes Trayvon bouncing Zimmermans head off the concrete is okay?
 
2013-07-14 03:38:07 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: But it looks like your grand predictions of a race war aren't really panning out. Poor guy, you bought all of that ammo.

I never predicted a race war and don't own guns. As for riots, this is far from over.


"I never predicted..."
[Makes veiled prediction.]
 
2013-07-14 03:38:11 PM  
Has the NAACP actually done anything lately to advance colored people. Hell if I called some one colored, I'd probably get my ass kicked
 
2013-07-14 03:38:31 PM  

plmyfngr: ironic that the only thing racial about the incident were the comments made by Martin to his female friend on the phone...


That and NBC's editing.
 
2013-07-14 03:38:39 PM  

Carth: HotWingConspiracy: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

What's wrong with that?

Other than I think the whole situation would have been better had he stayed out of it, this was  a case about self defense. Exactly what law abiding citizens should have guns for.


Not everyone is signed up with that narrative, the trial doesn't change that.
 
2013-07-14 03:39:23 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Someone sure wants Z-man to be raped in a rapeatorium.


Ah, now I get the joke(?) ;)
 
2013-07-14 03:39:29 PM  

OgreMagi: Let's repeat our grade school civics lesson since a lot of people seem to have forgotten the basics.

We are not a democracy.  We are a constitutional republic.

Democracy is a lynch mob.


If you had actually paid attention in grade school instead of concentrating your efforts on discerning the subtle flavors of the paste you'd know that yes, we are a democracy, and yes, we are a constitutional republic. They are not mutually exclusive despite what wannabe pedants would like to believe. We elect representatives. That's a democracy. No we are not a pure democracy and nobody ever claims we are.

The "we're not a democracy" line accomplishes one thing and one thing only, it makes the speaker look like a complete farking idiot.
 
2013-07-14 03:39:32 PM  
People that throw the word "racist" around and see racism in everything have problems.
 
2013-07-14 03:39:56 PM  

DoomPaul: vartian: jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.

You are a callous idiot every other day so I guess today is just par for the course.

That said, I won't sign it either - killing someone is a crime, but I don't see how constitutional rights factor in here. Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges. Sue the fark out of him in civil court to the point where his every waking moment is obsessed with the amount he has to pay, sure, but I don't see how we can justify an end run at double jeopardy.

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.

Funny, the African-American legal intern that volunteered to work for the defense for free and who's spent many hours with Zimmerman says otherwise. I'm sure you know better because [insert explanation here].

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/07/12/erin-mattingly -d nt-zimmermans-legal-intern.cnn.html



As well as his black neighbors who had nothing but good things to say about him.  And the two black school kids he mentored.

From the very beginning the only racists I have seen in the whole show have been the rabid anti-Zimmerman crowd.
 
2013-07-14 03:40:06 PM  

vartian: jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.

You are a callous idiot every other day so I guess today is just par for the course.

That said, I won't sign it either - killing someone is a crime, but I don't see how constitutional rights factor in here. Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges. Sue the fark out of him in civil court to the point where his every waking moment is obsessed with the amount he has to pay, sure, but I don't see how we can justify an end run at double jeopardy.

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.


All of this.
 
2013-07-14 03:40:39 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: Dude I get it, you see black people as a monolith that think like animals with no self control or sense of propriety.

What I see is the media trying their best to whip people into a frenzy.


So you're alleging there is a media conspiracy to start riots?

Funny how you keep accusing everybody else of being racist when you're the one who is.

Oh, please do tell me what race I'm attacking.
 
2013-07-14 03:40:49 PM  

vartian: jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.

You are a callous idiot every other day so I guess today is just par for the course.

That said, I won't sign it either - killing someone is a crime, but I don't see how constitutional rights factor in here. Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges. Sue the fark out of him in civil court to the point where his every waking moment is obsessed with the amount he has to pay, sure, but I don't see how we can justify an end run at double jeopardy.

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.


3/10
everyone knows you're lying but you'll still get some bits.
 
2013-07-14 03:40:52 PM  

Giltric: If I was Obama I would have stated that people should get their shiat together and stop creeping around and acting suspicious and bouncing peoples heads off the pavement because someone dared to disrespect them and looked at them funny....instead of trying to blame the gun or the guy who defended himself with the gun.

If it wasn't for the gun Trayvon would have killed Zimmerman....why would you support a president who believes Trayvon bouncing Zimmermans head off the concrete is okay?


Because House Republicans aren't doing jack shiat for Obama no matter what, so Obama has to play to his base & get those guys in line.

It had nothing to do with GZ or TM, and everything about rallying the troops for the next fight on Capitol Hill. GZ is just the sacrificial lamb (again).
 
2013-07-14 03:41:43 PM  

MyRandomName: HotWingConspiracy: MyRandomName: HotWingConspiracy: Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: But it looks like your grand predictions of a race war aren't really panning out. Poor guy, you bought all of that ammo.

I never predicted a race war and don't own guns. As for riots, this is far from over.

Dude I get it, you see black people as a monolith that think like animals with no self control or sense of propriety.

Dude, I get it.  You hate hispanics.

Oh I thought he was Jewish. Racist.

So you hate jews.  Glad you admitted to hating one of his parental lineages.


That never happened, try harder.

It explains why you refuse to look at what facts were actually in evidence.

So just how sad are you that you aren't getting your race war?
 
2013-07-14 03:43:01 PM  
National Association for the Advancement of Colored Progressives
 
2013-07-14 03:43:11 PM  

legion_of_doo: Giltric: If I was Obama I would have stated that people should get their shiat together and stop creeping around and acting suspicious and bouncing peoples heads off the pavement because someone dared to disrespect them and looked at them funny....instead of trying to blame the gun or the guy who defended himself with the gun.

If it wasn't for the gun Trayvon would have killed Zimmerman....why would you support a president who believes Trayvon bouncing Zimmermans head off the concrete is okay?

Because House Republicans aren't doing jack shiat for Obama no matter what, so Obama has to play to his base & get those guys in line.

It had nothing to do with GZ or TM, and everything about rallying the troops for the next fight on Capitol Hill. GZ is just the sacrificial lamb (again).


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH A HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH *breathes* BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

but but but republicans!!!!

not sure if troll or idiot but i'm clicking ignore, just for shiats and giggles.
 
2013-07-14 03:43:17 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Oh, please do tell me what race I'm attacking.


Pretty much all of them, except blacks. You've been spouting your nonsense in these threads for quite some time now and everybody knows your game. Either you believe that Zimmerman is guilty of killing a black kid or you're a racist.
 
2013-07-14 03:44:01 PM  

KimNorth: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

YOU KNOW MAYBE HE SHOULD ASK WHY IN HIS HOME CHICAGO A BLACK KID IS SHOT EVERY DAY BY ANOTHER BLACK KID!!!!! STUPID!


Did you miss it? Or does he need to shout out every city that has gun violence?
 
2013-07-14 03:44:44 PM  

Otto_E_Rodika: 17 year-old teenagers are 50% more likely to commit a murder than 28 year-old adults.

/17 year old boy
//take away all the black murderers and Hispanic murderers in Chicago, and the city would be down to about 12 murders a year (Caucasians make up 3.5% of the murderers)


Well, that explained the stupidity that followed.

Seriously, dude, have you been there? Go visit, hang out, find out what the fark is going on. I did.

And yeah, I'm HOPING they would have recognized that anything that farking ignorant that left my mouth in this day and age would have been in ironic fashion. They would have, scratch that, you're just an ignorant farking teenager.
 
2013-07-14 03:45:38 PM  
So what are the odds on Federal hate crime charges being filed Monday after the President's statement on the GZ acquittal? Are we feeling like it's more likely or less likely?

/"We are a nation of laws"? Bullshiat. We are a nation of lawyers.
 
2013-07-14 03:45:53 PM  

Carth: That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin


Tell me again, why would we even want to honor a violent, drug-addled racist attempted murderer, Mr. President?

I haven't seen so much apologetics from the left since it turned out that, hey, the Killian Memo did turn out to be fake.

You LIBTARDS are the societal equivalent of the mother who says "My baby ain't never do nothing wrong" after her son finally gets put away for aggravated assault...even though he's been arrested 40 times.
 
2013-07-14 03:46:00 PM  

Giltric: El_Perro: Giltric: El_Perro: LemSkroob: El_Perro: I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.

What he said was two things. (1) In FL civil court, its loser pays and (2) In FL, a successful self-defense case, like Zimmerman, is automatically immune, so its simply not going to happen.

See my other response - the mere fact that he was found not guilty after raising a self defense argument does not automatically make him immune. He'd have to seek immunity if and when he is sued. Even O'Mara said, during hos press conference last night, that they will seek immunity if sued.

he said they will seek and receive immunity.

Its basically a done deal. Just a formality of filling out paper work according to FL statute

He said they would seek and get immunity, yes, but that does not mean it is just paperwork.  What statute makes it a formality to get civil immunity with no specific finding of fact that he acted in self defense?  It would take a hearing in the civil case. A hearing that Zimmerman would likely win, but certainly no 'formality'

A not guilty verdict meant there was a justifiable use of force.

If it was not a justifiable use of force Zimmerman would have been guilty of one of the charges.

Justifiable use of force and self defense leads to immunity from civil action.

Georges defense was a self defense claim.


Of course that's true, factually.  Without self-defense, he may have been acquitted of second-degree murder, but he would almost certainly have been convicted of manslaughter.  But, the law simply does not allow judges to read the jury's mind.  To the extent one case can be binding on another, it is only binding to the extent that there is a finding of fact on the particular question at issue.  That's just a basic principle of law.  Here, the jury (as far as I know) made no specific finding re: self-defense.  The fact that everyone knows that they acquitted because of Zimmerman's self defense argument does not mean that, as a procedural matter, the law "knows" it.  Zimmerman would need to seek immunity in a subsequent civil case, and could not rely on the jury's finding here.
 
2013-07-14 03:46:20 PM  

Moopy Mac: HotWingConspiracy: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

What's wrong with that?

I'm not sure the best way to honor someone who flaunted possession of illegal firearms is to pass more arduous gun laws.

Is Obama implying that laws should be passed so that people like GZ can't have/carry guns? Or is he just arguing for a societal change of how we interact (with guns)?

Murder rate has been cut in half the last 2 decades anyway. Seems like our society is already on the right path.


What he is saying is we should ignore that fact that almost all gun deaths of blacks are from other blacks but if once in a blue moon a white/latino/jewish man dares defend himself from someone who happens to be black, you a racist hater who is going to prison and will be hunted down like a dog because the rules are different for Obama's people..... I mean really WTF is he thinking commenting on this?! What a freaken idiot!!!
 
2013-07-14 03:46:24 PM  
What about George Zimmerman's civil rights? Black people think they own civil rights.

Liberals will always find a way to embarrass themselves. In this case, they just want that large money Zimmerman will be receiving from NBC and CNN that he deserves every penny of.
 
2013-07-14 03:46:44 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Either you believe that Zimmerman is guilty of killing a black kid or you're a racist.


A buddy on mine posted this precise sentence on Facebook last night. She also posted that she should run out and join in any riots that might take place because "whitey has it coming". She also said anyone who disagreed as to Zim's guilt would be swiftly unfriended.

I went ahead and did the unfriending myself.

Now, maybe you didn't follow the trial, but I did. I'm sorry my opinion differs from yours, but that certainly doesn't qualify me as a racist. It qualifies me as someone whose opinion differs from yours.

You and the rest of the baiters can ram it up your ignorant asses.
 
2013-07-14 03:46:51 PM  

Funkyourdaughter: Has the NAACP actually done anything lately to advance colored people. Hell if I called some one colored, I'd probably get my ass kicked


You lookin' for an ass kickin', bub?

www.louisvillevisualart.org
 
2013-07-14 03:47:35 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: Oh, please do tell me what race I'm attacking.

Pretty much all of them, except blacks.


Did I go after the Eskimos? So you really can't demonstrate that I'm a racist.  It's ok, I knew you couldn't.

You've been spouting your nonsense in these threads for quite some time now and everybody knows your game. Either you believe that Zimmerman is guilty of killing a black kid or you're a racist.

No no, that's what you believe other people think. You kind of think like a child.
 
2013-07-14 03:48:03 PM  
These damn racist bastards--I mean, they've decided guilt and innocence based on the race alone here. Sad people blinded by their prejudice, really shows their inferior minds.  Hopefully with time and education some of them will be enlightened, but as for most, it will just take time for the fanatics to slowly age and die, ridding the world of their unthinking hate. But Sharpton and Jackson are getting old, hopefully it wont be much longer.
 
2013-07-14 03:48:29 PM  
Obama said we should all honor Trayvon Martin,

Most of us don't care to honor a hoodlum. Thanks, champ.
 
2013-07-14 03:48:57 PM  

doglover: If you press charges


You do understand that in a criminal matter the state is the one pressing charges, not an individual?

You can decide not to "press charges" but the state can still try the perpetrator if they feel the offense is serious enough and that they have evidence to convict. They can even call you as a witness and compel you to testify under penalty of contempt, as you will not be incriminating yourself. Now admittedly, they don't do it often, but the fact that in a criminal matter the aggrieved party is not the victim of the crime but the state itself kind of demolishes the theoretical basis of your argument.
 
2013-07-14 03:48:59 PM  

phenn: Popcorn Johnny: Either you believe that Zimmerman is guilty of killing a black kid or you're a racist.

A buddy on mine posted this precise sentence on Facebook last night. She also posted that she should run out and join in any riots that might take place because "whitey has it coming". She also said anyone who disagreed as to Zim's guilt would be swiftly unfriended.


Sure thing.
 
2013-07-14 03:49:49 PM  

iq_in_binary: StoPPeRmobile: Someone sure wants Z-man to be raped in a rapeatorium.

Ah, now I get the joke(?) ;)



Rape is only funny in Mel Brooks movies and George Carlin jokes.
 
2013-07-14 03:49:53 PM  
puu.sh
Profiling is bad and if you do it you should feel bad.
 
2013-07-14 03:50:30 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Did I go after the Eskimos?


You are so damn mad, I can feel the heat over here.

i39.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-14 03:51:00 PM  

ElLoco: Funkyourdaughter: Has the NAACP actually done anything lately to advance colored people. Hell if I called some one colored, I'd probably get my ass kicked

You lookin' for an ass kickin', bub?

[www.louisvillevisualart.org image 316x307]


Blue and purple with polka dots are the only people I hate.

/does not perform the heimlich maneuver
 
2013-07-14 03:52:13 PM  

Otto_E_Rodika: [puu.sh image 688x609]
Profiling is bad and if you do it you should feel bad.


Where the last 1.7%?
 
2013-07-14 03:52:29 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: Did I go after the Eskimos?

You are so damn mad, I can feel the heat over here.

[i39.tinypic.com image 604x453]


What do you mean? I don't care for violence. You're the one that's upset there isn't a riot.
 
2013-07-14 03:53:29 PM  

mgshamster: I've been told there would be riots after Z was found not guilty.  Where are the riots?


The verdict was read on Satdy night, they wuz all to busy gettin' thay drunk on.
 
2013-07-14 03:54:31 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: What about George Zimmerman's civil rights? Black people think they own civil rights.

Liberals will always find a way to embarrass themselves. In this case, they just want that large money Zimmerman will be receiving from NBC and CNN that he deserves every penny of.


He won't get a penny.

CNN and NBC aren't idiots. They haven't breathed a word that isn't true. By his own admission, he killed a black unarmed teenager. Now, that's not to say that they didn't raise some outrage, but in order for Zimmerman to claim damage, he literally has to admit that he's racist. HAHA! Good luck. He can't even get out of the country after this case unless he wants to go to places where gringo looking folk like him aren't welcome in the first place in South America or Extradition Treaty free places in the Pacific. Either way, someone would get a bone out of knocking him off.

Were he smart, he'd stay in Florida and use the murder boner cash to buy a mother-in-law lot in the most secure gated community in the area, assuming it was one that watched Glen Beck years ago. If not? Well I'm sure some militia types would love to set up a Zimmerman Militia to defend him.
 
2013-07-14 03:55:58 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: What do you mean? I don't care for violence. You're the one that's upset there isn't a riot.


You don't care for violence but have no problems with locking a man up without proof that he committed a crime. Such a farking humanitarian.
 
2013-07-14 03:56:27 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

What's wrong with that?


Martin died over a year ago and he gave a speech about that

So what is he referring to about the "future tragedies like this about" a day after the verdict was read?
 
2013-07-14 03:56:46 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

YOU KNOW MAYBE HE SHOULD ASK WHY IN HIS HOME CHICAGO A BLACK KID IS SHOT EVERY DAY BY ANOTHER BLACK KID!!!!! STUPID!

Did you miss it? Or does he need to shout out every city that has gun violence?


"how we can prevent future tragedies like this " This is what pissed me off, he should have left out this sentence, but we all know why he put it there, referencing Zimmerman's actions of using a gun "legally" to defend himself. No I did not miss it.
 
2013-07-14 03:57:08 PM  
I've been sitting up here watching the doings around this.  I could have told yu all the riot talk was bullshiat.  People are too farking lazy to riot.  They'll tweet, they'll blog, they'll even post on Fark and Reddit... but they won't go out in the streets and riot.  It's no fun, unless you're in a large group who are all doing it, like a Seattle WTO protest march.  In those, people have already gotten up off their fat asses.

So... yeah.  It's America, in a nutshell.  Slacktivism.  Online petitions.  biatching on websites.  No real action.

America.  F*ck Yeah.
 
2013-07-14 03:57:22 PM  
FTFA: "The Department of Justice has closely monitored the State of Florida's prosecution of the case against George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin murder since it began," the petition said. "The most fundamental of civil rights - the right to life - was violated the night George Zimmerman stalked and then took the life of Trayvon Martin," the appeal goes on."

Not to be that asshole, as I usually try not to be, but this is one instance where I need to be. In 2012, African-Americans constituted roughly half of murder victims in the United States, at somewhere around 6,000 deaths. I'd reckon over 90% of the murderers of these African-Americans were of that same ethnic/racial group.

The general position of the NAACP in wanting the DOJ to hit Zimmerman with civil rights charges is that he used racial profiling to single out and follow Martin. However, this does not fit well with the above statement. You can't say that the ultimate civil rights violation is murder, then want a guy charged with civil rights violations for racial profiling, especially when the number one killer of young black men like Martin is other young black men. If that's the ultimate civil rights violation, then the NAACP has quite a few more petitions to file on behalf of victims of black-on-black murders.
 
2013-07-14 03:57:26 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: Did I go after the Eskimos?

You are so damn mad, I can feel the heat over here.

[i39.tinypic.com image 604x453]

What do you mean? I don't care for violence. You're the one that's upset there isn't a riot.




www.rudysarzo.com
 
2013-07-14 03:58:07 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: BunkyBrewman: He was found not guilty by a jury of his peers.

/yes, it's that simple regardless of one's feelings on the case

Quoting for anybody who might have missed this.


and your opinion of OJ is?
 
2013-07-14 03:58:22 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: HotWingConspiracy: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

What's wrong with that?

Martin died over a year ago and he gave a speech about that

So what is he referring to about the "future tragedies like this about" a day after the verdict was read?


The first sentence offers some context. It's almost like you endeavor to not understand things.
 
2013-07-14 03:58:46 PM  
i140.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-14 03:59:31 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: What do you mean? I don't care for violence. You're the one that's upset there isn't a riot.

You don't care for violence but have no problems with locking a man up without proof that he committed a crime. Such a farking humanitarian.


Thanks, racist.
 
2013-07-14 04:00:34 PM  

Tumunga: [i140.photobucket.com image 750x600]




About time. We have been waiting for you.
 
2013-07-14 04:01:31 PM  

KimNorth: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

YOU KNOW MAYBE HE SHOULD ASK WHY IN HIS HOME CHICAGO A BLACK KID IS SHOT EVERY DAY BY ANOTHER BLACK KID!!!!! STUPID!

Did you miss it? Or does he need to shout out every city that has gun violence?

"how we can prevent future tragedies like this " This is what pissed me off, he should have left out this sentence, but we all know why he put it there, referencing Zimmerman's actions of using a gun "legally" to defend himself. No I did not miss it.


People getting shot is a tragedy for both shooter and shootee. Unless you're telling me that Zimmerman took some joy in the act.
 
2013-07-14 04:02:04 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Thanks, racist.


i54.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-14 04:03:55 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: *yawn*

I just woke up...are America's urban neighborhoods flaming hulks of violent destruction yet?

...I was assured by many FARKers that the "race lords" and the Black Panthers were going to be lynching crackers all night...did I miss the action?


At least 3 separate marches in California, in Oakland destruction of property including a police car, over 100 arrested...not exactly the peaceful protests that they claimed were going on, and not the massive riots people claimed would happen...also the reports in Florida were that there were "mostly" no problems.
 
2013-07-14 04:04:04 PM  

Tumunga: [i140.photobucket.com image 750x600]


That.

With the verdict in I had hope I'd be able to turn on the new and actually find out what important things are going on in the world. Nope. Now comes the post-verdict interviews with family members and whoever else they can bring on to continue the sensationalist bullshiat. When flipping through the channels I saw CNN advertising that their morning show tomorrow will discuss the "importance" of the case. Our pathetic excuses for new organizations are going to beat that horse into glue in the hope of getting ratings.
 
2013-07-14 04:05:22 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Unless you're telling me that Zimmerman took some joy in the act.


joy - the emotion evoked by well-being, success, or good fortune or by the prospect of possessing what one desires

Zim was successful in stopping Trayvon's assault
Zim had good fortune that he was able to stop Trayvon's assault
Zim certainly desired to stop Trayvon's assault

I guess you could say he took some joy.
 
2013-07-14 04:05:54 PM  
I can confirm there were no riots in the midwest. Corn fields still standing. I think everything is going to be ok.
 
2013-07-14 04:06:12 PM  

OhioUGrad: At least 3 separate marches in California, in Oakland destruction of property including a police car, over 100 arrested...not exactly the peaceful protests that they claimed were going on, and not the massive riots people claimed would happen...also the reports in Florida were that there were "mostly" no problems.


That's what we call a typical Tuesday in Oakland ;)

There were much larger peaceful protests going on at the same time, but Oakland has a strong asshole contingent that just wants any excuse to break shiat up.
 
2013-07-14 04:06:48 PM  

Boojum2k: The Muthaship: He's immune from civil liability if they found him not guilty based on self defense.

That won't stop that moron Crump from filing though.

How the hell did Crump become a lawyer anyway?


Affirmative Action.
 
2013-07-14 04:06:50 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: Unless you're telling me that Zimmerman took some joy in the act.

joy - the emotion evoked by well-being, success, or good fortune or by the prospect of possessing what one desires

Zim was successful in stopping Trayvon's assault
Zim had good fortune that he was able to stop Trayvon's assault
Zim certainly desired to stop Trayvon's assault

I guess you could say he took some joy.


That's a really disgusting smear against Zimmerman, are you racist against hispanics?
 
2013-07-14 04:06:56 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Otto_E_Rodika: [puu.sh image 688x609]
Profiling is bad and if you do it you should feel bad.

Where the last 1.7%?


That's Zimmerman. All by himself.

He's that bad.
 
2013-07-14 04:11:15 PM  

iq_in_binary: CNN and NBC aren't idiots. They haven't breathed a word that isn't true.


NBC selectively edited the recording of the non-emergency call to make Zimmerman appear more racist. Specifically, they edited out the portion of the non-emergency 911 tapes where Noffke the non-emergency dispatcher asked Zimmerman "what race is he" so it sounded like Zimmerman said "this guy is on drugs or something, looks like he's up to no good... he looks black" even though he was asked by Noffke about Martin's race. NBC is also the channel that pushed the story that the statement Zimmerman made under his breath - "farking punks," a statement that even the prosecution agreed to at trial - was, in fact, "farking coons."

So actually, NBC has aired quite a bit on Zimmerman that isn't true, and he has good grounds for a lawsuit.

CNN aired his social security number during the trial. Zimmerman has less of a case here, as the SSN wasn't originally redacted by the court, and the airing of his SSN seems largely inadvertent on CNN's part.

themoreyouknow.jpg
 
2013-07-14 04:11:31 PM  

olddinosaur: It is not a well known fact, but the Department of "Justice" also sent people to Florida to organize anti--Zimmerman protests---further enflaming an already heated lynch mob atmosphere---and this was done with taxpayer money.

I would say Eric Holder has some mighty hard questions to answer on this one---and so does Comrade Obsamavich.


If what you claim is not "well known", then by what means did you receive the information?
 
2013-07-14 04:11:34 PM  
I am shocked that people think if you get in a fight, you have the right to kill someone with a gun. That is the most absurd concept I have ever heard. This seems to be the crux of the divide.
 
2013-07-14 04:12:18 PM  
The thing that went wrong with the Zimmerman case: waiting 44 days to arrest him for homicide. And all because of FL's brand new SYG law.

Let it go & work on fixing that law.
 
2013-07-14 04:13:00 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

YOU KNOW MAYBE HE SHOULD ASK WHY IN HIS HOME CHICAGO A BLACK KID IS SHOT EVERY DAY BY ANOTHER BLACK KID!!!!! STUPID!

Did you miss it? Or does he need to shout out every city that has gun violence?

"how we can prevent future tragedies like this " This is what pissed me off, he should have left out this sentence, but we all know why he put it there, referencing Zimmerman's actions of using a gun "legally" to defend himself. No I did not miss it.

People getting shot is a tragedy for both shooter and shootee. Unless you're telling me that Zimmerman took some joy in the act.


Look Obama should have never said to honor trayvon as to give credence to him be an without fault in this and not the aggressor. Obama was not there just like we were not he should have not commented the first time with if I had a son and his statement this time was way wrong...
 
2013-07-14 04:14:18 PM  
SarcasticFark's Guide to Fixing Race Relations:

1.  Disband the NAACP.
2.  Drop Jackson and Sharpton on a desert island with no ability to contact the outside world.
3.  Profit.
 
2013-07-14 04:14:40 PM  

johnnyrocket: I am shocked that people think if you get in a fight, you have the right to kill someone with a gun. That is the most absurd concept I have ever heard. This seems to be the crux of the divide.




Not at all.

Only cops, judges, executioners. and the military have that right.
 
2013-07-14 04:16:08 PM  

Thrag: OhioUGrad: At least 3 separate marches in California, in Oakland destruction of property including a police car, over 100 arrested...not exactly the peaceful protests that they claimed were going on, and not the massive riots people claimed would happen...also the reports in Florida were that there were "mostly" no problems.

That's what we call a typical Tuesday in Oakland ;)

There were much larger peaceful protests going on at the same time, but Oakland has a strong asshole contingent that just wants any excuse to break shiat up.


Surprised you didn't just put southern California

/never been
//don't want to go
 
2013-07-14 04:16:42 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: But it looks like your grand predictions of a race war aren't really panning out. Poor guy, you bought all of that ammo.

I never predicted a race war and don't own guns. As for riots, this is far from over.

Dude I get it, you see black people as a monolith that think like animals with no self control or sense of propriety.


No, those are liberals. Most black people are just like people of other races, primarily concerned making a living and providing for their children.
 
2013-07-14 04:17:11 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: tenpoundsofcheese: HotWingConspiracy: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

What's wrong with that?

Martin died over a year ago and he gave a speech about that

So what is he referring to about the "future tragedies like this about" a day after the verdict was read?

The first sentence offers some context. It's almost like you endeavor to not understand things.


Or he was referring to the tragic verdict that so many people are upset about.

The context is he made the statement the day after the verdict.
 
2013-07-14 04:17:41 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: That's a really disgusting smear against Zimmerman, are you racist against hispanics?


Speaking of racism, just listen to this guy. He uses every slur in the book to talk about the reaction to the killing of the Skittles kid.

NSFW language
 
2013-07-14 04:19:30 PM  

KimNorth: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

YOU KNOW MAYBE HE SHOULD ASK WHY IN HIS HOME CHICAGO A BLACK KID IS SHOT EVERY DAY BY ANOTHER BLACK KID!!!!! STUPID!

Did you miss it? Or does he need to shout out every city that has gun violence?

"how we can prevent future tragedies like this " This is what pissed me off, he should have left out this sentence, but we all know why he put it there, referencing Zimmerman's actions of using a gun "legally" to defend himself. No I did not miss it.

People getting shot is a tragedy for both shooter and shootee. Unless you're telling me that Zimmerman took some joy in the act.

Look Obama should have never said to honor trayvon as to give credence to him be an without fault in this and not the aggressor. Obama was not there just like we were not he should have not commented the first time with if I had a son and his statement this time was way wrong...


Really, none of this is a problem for non-racists. Your posts give away what your real beef with the statement is. Go riff on black people shooting black people some more, like it has shiat to do with anything.
 
2013-07-14 04:21:39 PM  

OhioUGrad: Thrag: OhioUGrad: At least 3 separate marches in California, in Oakland destruction of property including a police car, over 100 arrested...not exactly the peaceful protests that they claimed were going on, and not the massive riots people claimed would happen...also the reports in Florida were that there were "mostly" no problems.

That's what we call a typical Tuesday in Oakland ;)

There were much larger peaceful protests going on at the same time, but Oakland has a strong asshole contingent that just wants any excuse to break shiat up.

Surprised you didn't just put southern California

/never been
//don't want to go


Why would I put southern California. You know Oakland is northern California, right? It's across the bay from San Francisco.
 
2013-07-14 04:22:24 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: HotWingConspiracy: tenpoundsofcheese: HotWingConspiracy: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

What's wrong with that?

Martin died over a year ago and he gave a speech about that

So what is he referring to about the "future tragedies like this about" a day after the verdict was read?

The first sentence offers some context. It's almost like you endeavor to not understand things.

Or he was referring to the tragic verdict that so many people are upset about.

The context is he made the statement the day after the verdict.


Because you want it to be, right?

You pasted the damn statement and now you're arguing against it. The fact that you have to fish for some deeper meaning outside of what is quoted in front of you should tell you something.
 
2013-07-14 04:22:50 PM  

vartian: Nabb1:People need to move on.

 [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x523]

He'll get right on that.


Is he still there after 2 years? If so, I'm guessing that's some pretty green grass right there, with all that nice fertilizer.
 
2013-07-14 04:28:16 PM  

Thrag: Tumunga: [i140.photobucket.com image 750x600]

That.

With the verdict in I had hope I'd be able to turn on the new and actually find out what important things are going on in the world. Nope. Now comes the post-verdict interviews with family members and whoever else they can bring on to continue the sensationalist bullshiat. When flipping through the channels I saw CNN advertising that their morning show tomorrow will discuss the "importance" of the case. Our pathetic excuses for new organizations are going to beat that horse into glue in the hope of getting ratings.


BBQ Pitmasters is having a marathon on Destination America.

Not one mention of anything but smoked meats of various flavors and types, and all the races are getting along. Good Sunday.
 
2013-07-14 04:28:23 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

YOU KNOW MAYBE HE SHOULD ASK WHY IN HIS HOME CHICAGO A BLACK KID IS SHOT EVERY DAY BY ANOTHER BLACK KID!!!!! STUPID!

Did you miss it? Or does he need to shout out every city that has gun violence?

"how we can prevent future tragedies like this " This is what pissed me off, he should have left out this sentence, but we all know why he put it there, referencing Zimmerman's actions of using a gun "legally" to defend himself. No I did not miss it.

People getting shot is a tragedy for both shooter and shootee. Unless you're telling me that Zimmerman took some joy in the act.

Look Obama should have never said to honor trayvon as to give credence to him be an without fault in this and not the aggressor. Obama was not there just like we were not he should have not commented the first time with if I had a son and his statement this time was way wrong...

Really, none of this is a problem for non-racists. Your posts give away what your real beef with the statement is. Go riff on black people shooting black people some more, like it has shiat to do with anything.


Really WTF? The NAACP wants to bring up more charges so does lot's of other people with an agenda. How does it look for the President of the United States weighing in..opening his mouth where he should not?! He should have left allot of what he said out! Now it can be used against Zimmerman in public opinion and pressure, which by the way is what started this in the first place with the media getting people riled up and demanding police action when it WAS NOT WARRANTED.
 
2013-07-14 04:28:26 PM  

DerpHerder: Slaxl: Bigdogdaddy: He was found not guilty.  I didn't agree with it, but that's the way our system works.

But he killed him in self defence, so not guilty on those grounds makes perfect sense. Doesn't it? Or is it more that you would say that killing in self defence is still killing and thus he should have gone to jail anyway? 

Being foreign I haven't paid close attention to this case, so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems pretty clear he was being assaulted, and probably a few head bashes on the pavement away from death himself, and he shot the guy. Does it really matter that he called the police to report him looking suspicious? That doesn't make him a racist, if anything given Martin's reaction it makes him perceptive.

Now, if Zimmerman had harrassed Martin, to the point where he went over and instigated the fight which he ended up losing and having to use his gun then exhoneration would be clearly wrong, but that would have come out in court if it were the case. So it seems to me rather clear, and fair, that Zimmerman was cleared, and why. Am I missing key facts?

You seem to have all the facts down. Unfortunately the sequence of events are one sided, but they are the facts. Anyone telling you otherwise is filling in their own blanks and connecting the dots to form the picture they want.

Zimmerman saw someone acting suspiciously.
Called police.
Followed suspicious individual.
A confrontation ensued and a fight ouccured.
During that fight zimmerman sustained injuries.
His injuries and eyewitness testimony supported his scenario of events for selfdefense.


Technically, the prosecution was unable to prove that it wasn't self-defense.  That's not the same as saying it was.

Like I said, the jury decided correctly.  This is in no way the same as saying Zimmerman acted correctly.
 
2013-07-14 04:28:40 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

YOU KNOW MAYBE HE SHOULD ASK WHY IN HIS HOME CHICAGO A BLACK KID IS SHOT EVERY DAY BY ANOTHER BLACK KID!!!!! STUPID!

Did you miss it? Or does he need to shout out every city that has gun violence?

"how we can prevent future tragedies like this " This is what pissed me off, he should have left out this sentence, but we all know why he put it there, referencing Zimmerman's actions of using a gun "legally" to defend himself. No I did not miss it.

People getting shot is a tragedy for both shooter and shootee. Unless you're telling me that Zimmerman took some joy in the act.

Look Obama should have never said to honor trayvon as to give credence to him be an without fault in this and not the aggressor. Obama was not there just like we were not he should have not commented the first time with if I had a son and his statement this time was way wrong...

Really, none of this is a problem for non-racists. Your posts give away what your real beef with the statement is. Go riff on black people shooting black people some more, like it has shiat to do with anything.


Well, it does have shiat to do with anything, such as the inability of black communities to attract outside investment and the continued cycle of poverty that African-Americans face...
 
2013-07-14 04:29:57 PM  

mgshamster: I've been told there would be riots after Z was found not guilty.  Where are the riots?


Like someone said in a previous thread, all of the blacks already have a big screen tv, xbox, and an Obama phone. There's no need to riot go shopping.
 
2013-07-14 04:30:39 PM  

Darkridr: Thrag: Tumunga: [i140.photobucket.com image 750x600]

That.

With the verdict in I had hope I'd be able to turn on the new and actually find out what important things are going on in the world. Nope. Now comes the post-verdict interviews with family members and whoever else they can bring on to continue the sensationalist bullshiat. When flipping through the channels I saw CNN advertising that their morning show tomorrow will discuss the "importance" of the case. Our pathetic excuses for new organizations are going to beat that horse into glue in the hope of getting ratings.

BBQ Pitmasters is having a marathon on Destination America.

Not one mention of anything but smoked meats of various flavors and types, and all the races are getting along. Good Sunday.


You must be a wizard since that is exactly what I ended up turning to after giving up on the news.

Now I'm hungry.
 
2013-07-14 04:31:01 PM  

Elegy: iq_in_binary: CNN and NBC aren't idiots. They haven't breathed a word that isn't true.

NBC selectively edited the recording of the non-emergency call to make Zimmerman appear more racist. Specifically, they edited out the portion of the non-emergency 911 tapes where Noffke the non-emergency dispatcher asked Zimmerman "what race is he" so it sounded like Zimmerman said "this guy is on drugs or something, looks like he's up to no good... he looks black" even though he was asked by Noffke about Martin's race. NBC is also the channel that pushed the story that the statement Zimmerman made under his breath - "farking punks," a statement that even the prosecution agreed to at trial - was, in fact, "farking coons."

So actually, NBC has aired quite a bit on Zimmerman that isn't true, and he has good grounds for a lawsuit.

CNN aired his social security number during the trial. Zimmerman has less of a case here, as the SSN wasn't originally redacted by the court, and the airing of his SSN seems largely inadvertent on CNN's part.

themoreyouknow.jpg


If selective editing was enough to grant damages, FOX would've been out of business in the first week.

Like I said, he won't get a dime. Or at the very least, noone wants him to, because if he does, precedent gets set that opens up the "liberal" media to quite a bit of trouble.
 
2013-07-14 04:31:19 PM  

KimNorth: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: HotWingConspiracy: KimNorth: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

YOU KNOW MAYBE HE SHOULD ASK WHY IN HIS HOME CHICAGO A BLACK KID IS SHOT EVERY DAY BY ANOTHER BLACK KID!!!!! STUPID!

Did you miss it? Or does he need to shout out every city that has gun violence?

"how we can prevent future tragedies like this " This is what pissed me off, he should have left out this sentence, but we all know why he put it there, referencing Zimmerman's actions of using a gun "legally" to defend himself. No I did not miss it.

People getting shot is a tragedy for both shooter and shootee. Unless you're telling me that Zimmerman took some joy in the act.

Look Obama should have never said to honor trayvon as to give credence to him be an without fault in this and not the aggressor. Obama was not there just like we were not he should have not commented the first time with if I had a son and his statement this time was way wrong...

Really, none of this is a problem for non-racists. Your posts give away what your real beef with the statement is. Go riff on black people shooting black people some more, like it has shiat to do with anything.

Really WTF? The NAACP wants to bring up more charges so does lot's of other people with an agenda. How does it look for the President of the United States weighing in..opening his mouth where he should not?! He should have left allot of what he said out! Now it can be used against Zimmerman in public opinion and pressure, which by the way is what started this in the first place with the media getting people rile ...




They don't need any warrants.
 
2013-07-14 04:31:35 PM  
Good luck with that.

All the shiat like forcing the police chief to retire cause he would not arrest a cop's kid that beat a black homeless man will come out.
 
2013-07-14 04:34:31 PM  

SarcasticFark: SarcasticFark's Guide to Fixing Race Relations:

1.  Disband the NAACP.
2.  Drop Jackson and Sharpton on a desert island with no ability to contact the outside world.
3.  Profit.


1. And whos going to disband them? Right to free association and all...
2, You're not getting Jackson and Sharpton in the same place. They have mutual exclusion zones...
3. Profit is what the news stations are getting from their advertisers (which are rapidly becoming the subjects of the newscasts, how convenient). That was the major mover of this trial. Newscasters with 24hr sensational cycles to fill. International politics is sooooo boring.
 
2013-07-14 04:37:13 PM  
Darkridr:
2, You're not getting Jackson and Sharpton in the same place. They have mutual exclusion zones...

Is it the same exclusion zone that keeps them from trying to negotiate peace deals between gangs in inner cities?
 
2013-07-14 04:37:14 PM  
guess zimmerman is not a dark enough color to get their advocacy, zimmerman as some African lineage and is as white as the president, I dont know the history of the organization but I have to imagine they could find better things to do to help what ever community they represent
 
2013-07-14 04:37:30 PM  

BravadoGT: Lionel Mandrake: BravadoGT: He was a thug who sucker punched another man and tried to do worse.

You were a witness?  Why didn't you testify?

I'm just recalling the UNCONTROVERTED evidence in the case.  Maybe you should have watched it?


I admit, I didn't see every second.  I have a job.

Nonetheless, you and anyone else (on whichever "side") who thinks they know all about what happened, and has no question about where the blame lies, and to what degree - is a fkn idiot.

The people calling Trayvon a violent thug who was trying to kill Zimmerman or was looking for trouble are on no sounder ground than those saying Zimmerman is a horrible racist who just wanted to gun down a black guy.

The jury decided - correctly - and everyone should move on.

And if Trayvon's family pursues other legal means in a search for justice (or whatever), then they have that right, and if you believe in the right to self-defense, I hope you also believe in the right of the Martin family to pursue whatever legal courses they have available to them.
 
2013-07-14 04:38:39 PM  

Tumunga: mgshamster: I've been told there would be riots after Z was found not guilty.  Where are the riots?

Like someone said in a previous thread, all of the blacks already have a big screen tv, xbox, and an Obama phone. There's no need to riot go shopping.


dbm-media.com
/has steel wheels on all autos.
 
2013-07-14 04:38:45 PM  
I'd rather see the NAACP deal with the black lady just sent to prison for 20 years for firing a warning shot at an attacker in a situation clearly and unambiguously covered under SYG.
 
2013-07-14 04:40:30 PM  

Darkridr: SarcasticFark: SarcasticFark's Guide to Fixing Race Relations:

1.  Disband the NAACP.
2.  Drop Jackson and Sharpton on a desert island with no ability to contact the outside world.
3.  Profit.

1. And whos going to disband them? Right to free association and all...
2, You're not getting Jackson and Sharpton in the same place. They have mutual exclusion zones...
3. Profit is what the news stations are getting from their advertisers (which are rapidly becoming the subjects of the newscasts, how convenient). That was the major mover of this trial. Newscasters with 24hr sensational cycles to fill. International politics is sooooo boring.


Whatever Bradley, we aren't buying it.
 
2013-07-14 04:42:12 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: tenpoundsofcheese: HotWingConspiracy: tenpoundsofcheese: HotWingConspiracy: Carth: Wow Obama just can't stay away from this case can he.

Part of his statement: "We should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis. We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this. As citizens, that's a job for all of us. That's the way to honor Trayvon Martin." "

What's wrong with that?

Martin died over a year ago and he gave a speech about that

So what is he referring to about the "future tragedies like this about" a day after the verdict was read?

The first sentence offers some context. It's almost like you endeavor to not understand things.

Or he was referring to the tragic verdict that so many people are upset about.

The context is he made the statement the day after the verdict.

Because you want it to be, right?

You pasted the damn statement and now you're arguing against it. The fact that you have to fish for some deeper meaning outside of what is quoted in front of you should tell you something.


Are you saying the isn't when he made the statement?

What did I paste? I am not arguing against anything I posted.

You okay?
Too butthurt today?
 
2013-07-14 04:42:22 PM  

CliChe Guevara: I'd rather see the NAACP deal with the black lady just sent to prison for 20 years for firing a warning shot at an attacker in a situation clearly and unambiguously covered under SYG.


From what I've read she was trespassing after being asked to leave, left the scene to go get her gun from the car then came back and fired a warning shot with her kids in the room. I'm not sure that is covered under SYG.
 
2013-07-14 04:42:26 PM  

CliChe Guevara: I'd rather see the NAACP deal with the black lady just sent to prison for 20 years for firing a warning shot at an attacker in a situation clearly and unambiguously covered under SYG.


Learn
the
facts
of
the
case
 
2013-07-14 04:42:32 PM  

JerkyMeat: All that is taught and promoted about America is myth.  Zimmerman will be brought to trial again and again until he is in jail.


Just add his name to the credits of an anti-radical-Muslim youtube video. That will work more quickly.
 
2013-07-14 04:43:39 PM  

CliChe Guevara: I'd rather see the NAACP deal with the black lady just sent to prison for 20 years for firing a warning shot at an attacker in a situation clearly and unambiguously covered under SYG.


Lol. You clearly didn't read the story. 1st the guy is a beater but...

She went to the house he was at. She also went into another room, got a gun and then went back. She also fired a gun clearly not feeling her life was not an immediate danger since it was a warning shot.

She is going to be spending 20 years in jail because she was stupid. The real problem is mandatory sentences.
 
2013-07-14 04:43:49 PM  

Ral: This case is not a racial issue.  Zimmerman got attacked by some punk and shot him.  End of story.

People trying to turn this into a racial thing are doing so purely for political purposes.


SHUSH!! You've just let the Democrat's 2014 election strategy out of the bag.
 
2013-07-14 04:48:44 PM  

Tumunga: Ral: This case is not a racial issue.  Zimmerman got attacked by some punk and shot him.  End of story.

People trying to turn this into a racial thing are doing so purely for political purposes.

SHUSH!! You've just let the Democrat's 2014 election strategy out of the bag.


Actually the Democratic election strategy for 2014 is to make sure that the Republican 2014 primaries are broadcast.
 
2013-07-14 04:53:14 PM  

CliChe Guevara: I'd rather see the NAACP deal with the black lady just sent to prison for 20 years for firing a warning shot at an attacker in a situation clearly and unambiguously covered under SYG.


We must protect the childrens.
 
2013-07-14 04:54:02 PM  

Marine1: Darkridr:
2, You're not getting Jackson and Sharpton in the same place. They have mutual exclusion zones...

Is it the same exclusion zone that keeps them from trying to negotiate peace deals between gangs in inner cities?


Well, Jackson prefers international incidents and the lecture circuit. Sharpton is all about radio shows and prostate pills (believe it). He also hangs out with Newt Gingrich so they can both claim that they can reach  around across the aisle. Jacksons final fade really started when he got caught on camera hating on Obama during the 2008 primaries.
 
2013-07-14 04:59:26 PM  

johnnyrocket: I am shocked that people think if you get in a fight, you have the right to kill someone with a gun. That is the most absurd concept I have ever heard. This seems to be the crux of the divide.


You are correct. In civilized countries, individuals who are physically attacked without provocation are legally and morally obligated to offer no defense that may cause the death of their attacker. Severe injuries, including brain damage and death, are preferred to the vigilante justice of stopping an in-progress attack.
 
2013-07-14 05:01:40 PM  

rzrwiresunrise: The thing that went wrong with the Zimmerman case: waiting 44 days to arrest him for homicide. And all because of FL's brand new SYG law.

Let it go & work on fixing that law.


Are you ignoring the fact that Mr. Zimmerman did not rely upon "Stand Your Ground" in his defense, or are you dishonestly ignoring facts that do not conform to your preferred narrative?
 
2013-07-14 05:02:28 PM  
Ever since the gay rights movement, blacks have shown their true color in regards to civil rights, they simple don't care about them unless you are talking about blacks, specifically black straights.  Black preachers, NAACP top officers, race pimps and others have shown nothing but contempt to keep gays from receiving the same recognition they want for blacks.  When I saw that the bible meant more to them then equality, it really opened my eyes to the fact that when blacks talk about "civil rights" they just mean whatever is good for blacks and screw everyone else. If you don't believe me, look how the black community views gays within their own community, there really are no more oppressed people than black gays, downlows have it bad and I feel sorry that their own "civil rights" movement hates them.

This case is no civil rights issue, this is an issue whereby they only want whatever they perceive as good and damn all the evidence and testimony to the contrary.
 
2013-07-14 05:04:29 PM  

kalor: Ever since the gay rights movement, blacks have shown their true color in regards to civil rights, they simple don't care about them unless you are talking about blacks, specifically black straights.  Black preachers, NAACP top officers, race pimps and others have shown nothing but contempt to keep gays from receiving the same recognition they want for blacks.  When I saw that the bible meant more to them then equality, it really opened my eyes to the fact that when blacks talk about "civil rights" they just mean whatever is good for blacks and screw everyone else. If you don't believe me, look how the black community views gays within their own community, there really are no more oppressed people than black gays, downlows have it bad and I feel sorry that their own "civil rights" movement hates them.

This case is no civil rights issue, this is an issue whereby they only want whatever they perceive as good and damn all the evidence and testimony to the contrary.


Your opinion, then, is that all black individuals behave and think in exactly the same manner, without exception?

/My personal experiences suggest otherwise.
 
2013-07-14 05:06:13 PM  
"We are outraged and heartbroken over today's verdict," NAACP President Benjamin Jealous said in a statement. "We will pursue civil rights charges with the Department of Justice, we will continue to fight for the removal of Stand Your Ground laws in every state, and we will not rest until racial profiling in all its forms is outlawed Rabble rabble rabble."

How do they propose to make racial profiling in all its form illegal on the public? Introduce the thought police?
 
2013-07-14 05:10:38 PM  
Zimmerman is white?
 
2013-07-14 05:13:32 PM  

RockChalkH1N1: Zimmerman is white?




As white as Jesus.
 
2013-07-14 05:13:35 PM  

muck4doo: Introduce the thought police?


They are already here. Are you allowed to say and think anything you want anymore?
 
2013-07-14 05:14:19 PM  

RockChalkH1N1: Zimmerman is white?


Yeah just had addisons disease like JFK
 
2013-07-14 05:14:29 PM  

Dimensio: kalor: Ever since the gay rights movement, blacks have shown their true color in regards to civil rights, they simple don't care about them unless you are talking about blacks, specifically black straights.  Black preachers, NAACP top officers, race pimps and others have shown nothing but contempt to keep gays from receiving the same recognition they want for blacks.  When I saw that the bible meant more to them then equality, it really opened my eyes to the fact that when blacks talk about "civil rights" they just mean whatever is good for blacks and screw everyone else. If you don't believe me, look how the black community views gays within their own community, there really are no more oppressed people than black gays, downlows have it bad and I feel sorry that their own "civil rights" movement hates them.

This case is no civil rights issue, this is an issue whereby they only want whatever they perceive as good and damn all the evidence and testimony to the contrary.

Your opinion, then, is that all black individuals behave and think in exactly the same manner, without exception?

/My personal experiences suggest otherwise.


Gee, its like black people are just like every other self-interested group. Imagine that.
 
2013-07-14 05:15:38 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com

Goodness, gracious. From the sorts of things that are being removed as "hate speech", it seems some of the mods are feeling the butthurt today as well.
 
2013-07-14 05:17:09 PM  
I miss the Dorner threads.
 
2013-07-14 05:17:56 PM  

My Bologna Has A Maiden Name: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x300]

Goodness, gracious. From the sorts of things that are being removed as "hate speech", it seems some of the mods are feeling the butthurt today as well.


There was a full thread riot in the zimmerman thread one day. They have been a little more proactive in modding them since then.
 
2013-07-14 05:19:34 PM  

muck4doo: "We are outraged and heartbroken over today's verdict," NAACP President Benjamin Jealous said in a statement. "We will pursue civil rights charges with the Department of Justice, we will continue to fight for the removal of Stand Your Ground laws in every state, and we will not rest until racial profiling in all its forms is outlawed Rabble rabble rabble."

How do they propose to make racial profiling in all its form illegal on the public? Introduce the thought police?


ok.. its just a little pinprick... they're be no more "AAAAHHHHHH!" but you may feel a little sick.

/Its in the VACCINES!
 
2013-07-14 05:20:14 PM  

Carth: My Bologna Has A Maiden Name: [24.media.tumblr.com image 400x300]

Goodness, gracious. From the sorts of things that are being removed as "hate speech", it seems some of the mods are feeling the butthurt today as well.

There was a full thread riot in the zimmerman thread one day. They have been a little more proactive in modding them since then.


I didn't even comment in that one. It was more just sitting there with my mouth agape scrolling through the comments.
 
2013-07-14 05:27:26 PM  

Dimensio: rzrwiresunrise: The thing that went wrong with the Zimmerman case: waiting 44 days to arrest him for homicide. And all because of FL's brand new SYG law.

Let it go & work on fixing that law.

Are you ignoring the fact that Mr. Zimmerman did not rely upon "Stand Your Ground" in his defense, or are you dishonestly ignoring facts that do not conform to your preferred narrative?


Never let the facts get in the way of a good outrage.
 
2013-07-14 05:27:49 PM  

Bontesla: I miss the Dorner threads.




I wonder when the movie comes out.
 
2013-07-14 05:30:28 PM  

heili skrimsli: Dimensio: rzrwiresunrise: The thing that went wrong with the Zimmerman case: waiting 44 days to arrest him for homicide. And all because of FL's brand new SYG law.

Let it go & work on fixing that law.

Are you ignoring the fact that Mr. Zimmerman did not rely upon "Stand Your Ground" in his defense, or are you dishonestly ignoring facts that do not conform to your preferred narrative?

Never let the facts get in the way of a good outrage.


I take it you have recovered from Omaras smack down of the media last night
 
2013-07-14 05:31:50 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: RockChalkH1N1: Zimmerman is white?

As white as Jesus.


images3.wikia.nocookie.net

/hot
 
2013-07-14 05:32:12 PM  

WillofJ2: heili skrimsli: Dimensio: rzrwiresunrise: The thing that went wrong with the Zimmerman case: waiting 44 days to arrest him for homicide. And all because of FL's brand new SYG law.

Let it go & work on fixing that law.

Are you ignoring the fact that Mr. Zimmerman did not rely upon "Stand Your Ground" in his defense, or are you dishonestly ignoring facts that do not conform to your preferred narrative?

Never let the facts get in the way of a good outrage.

I take it you have recovered from Omaras smack down of the media last night


Ooh I missed that. Got a link?
 
2013-07-14 05:32:58 PM  

Thrag: There were much larger peaceful protests going on at the same time, but Oakland has a strong asshole contingent that just wants any excuse to break shiat up.


Most of the people arrested for destruction of property in Oakland protests are from surrounding cities.
 
2013-07-14 05:36:16 PM  

Treygreen13: WillofJ2: heili skrimsli: Dimensio: rzrwiresunrise: The thing that went wrong with the Zimmerman case: waiting 44 days to arrest him for homicide. And all because of FL's brand new SYG law.

Let it go & work on fixing that law.

Are you ignoring the fact that Mr. Zimmerman did not rely upon "Stand Your Ground" in his defense, or are you dishonestly ignoring facts that do not conform to your preferred narrative?

Never let the facts get in the way of a good outrage.

I take it you have recovered from Omaras smack down of the media last night

Ooh I missed that. Got a link?


Should be one of these two
One

Two
 
2013-07-14 05:38:44 PM  

OgreMagi: varmitydog: [moonbattery.com image 500x500]
The dude made saint faster than the pope. But what were his miracles?

He turned a mixed race man into a white supremest.

That's one.  We need two more.


He turned watermelon juice into ice tea.
 
2013-07-14 05:41:00 PM  

Thrag: OhioUGrad: Thrag: OhioUGrad: At least 3 separate marches in California, in Oakland destruction of property including a police car, over 100 arrested...not exactly the peaceful protests that they claimed were going on, and not the massive riots people claimed would happen...also the reports in Florida were that there were "mostly" no problems.

That's what we call a typical Tuesday in Oakland ;)

There were much larger peaceful protests going on at the same time, but Oakland has a strong asshole contingent that just wants any excuse to break shiat up.

Surprised you didn't just put southern California

/never been
//don't want to go

Why would I put southern California. You know Oakland is northern California, right? It's across the bay from San Francisco.


Because Oakland is just a pocket, but (at least in most posts I read regarding Cali) most people complain that pretty much all of southern Cali from like Bakersfield down is a hell hole.
 
2013-07-14 05:42:55 PM  

UnspokenVoice: HotWingConspiracy: LtDarkstar: Funny how it's acceptable for black people to go running to the NAACP over this verdict, but when OJ was found innocent they were celebrating and laughing in white people's faces and us white folks did not have an organization like NAACP to go running to mommy like these asshats are. Suck it up like the white people had to do for OJ. Black people always go running to someone and crying racism at the drop of the hat when they don't get their way. And then people wonder why I don't like black people.

It's not really a mystery. You racists aren't terribly clever.

Meh... I just hit the ignore button. I agree with the verdict but, well, I'm also half black. I wonder if that makes me racist?


Yep. You're racist. Did you not get the memo?
 
2013-07-14 05:43:19 PM  
Sure is a lot of hate on "white people" in here. Good thing it's not racist if it's against "white people."
 
2013-07-14 05:45:10 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: HotWingConspiracy: Unless you're telling me that Zimmerman took some joy in the act.

joy - the emotion evoked by well-being, success, or good fortune or by the prospect of possessing what one desires

Zim was successful in stopping Trayvon's assault
Zim had good fortune that he was able to stop Trayvon's assault
Zim certainly desired to stop Trayvon's assault

I guess you could say he took some joy.


You right there in your own post defeated your own argument. He took joy in "stopping Trayvon's assault." not killing someone.
 
2013-07-14 05:45:32 PM  

OhioUGrad: Thrag: OhioUGrad: Thrag: OhioUGrad: At least 3 separate marches in California, in Oakland destruction of property including a police car, over 100 arrested...not exactly the peaceful protests that they claimed were going on, and not the massive riots people claimed would happen...also the reports in Florida were that there were "mostly" no problems.

That's what we call a typical Tuesday in Oakland ;)

There were much larger peaceful protests going on at the same time, but Oakland has a strong asshole contingent that just wants any excuse to break shiat up.

Surprised you didn't just put southern California

/never been
//don't want to go

Why would I put southern California. You know Oakland is northern California, right? It's across the bay from San Francisco.

Because Oakland is just a pocket, but (at least in most posts I read regarding Cali) most people complain that pretty much all of southern Cali from like Bakersfield down is a hell hole.


There more "pockets" besides Oakland around the Bay Area.
 
2013-07-14 05:50:02 PM  

vartian: Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.

Reading that now. Lord, Florida is a farked-up state.


On the contrary. Immunity from liability for justifiable use of deadly force is something that should be in every state. And Castle Doctrine should be adjudicated as clearly implicit in the Second Amendment.
 
2013-07-14 05:56:30 PM  

johnnyrocket: I am shocked that people think if you get in a fight, you have the right to kill someone with a gun. That is the most absurd concept I have ever heard. This seems to be the crux of the divide.


His head was being bashed into the concrete as he was yelling ofr help. That is different than your plain old fist fight or something. If you do that you could very well kill someone.
 
2013-07-14 05:57:40 PM  

liquidpoo: Sure is a lot of hate on "white people" in here. Good thing it's not racist if it's against "white people."




Race plus power equals racism.
 
2013-07-14 05:58:58 PM  
Don't worry about the strident anti-verdict opinions being voiced in this thread.  Now that the event is over, the Obamatons are getting back on message, doing political damage control in reference to the not guilty verdict, and beginning the dust-up process for the 2014 elections.  Business as usual.  Zimmerman and Martin now no longer have anything to do with what's being laid out as "the outrages" of the "hang Zimmerman" crowd, even though their names may be part of the discussion.  It's now just all about political power, and the attempt to gain more and more of same.  Can't blame 'em, really.  Both side do it to their shame, constantly.
 
2013-07-14 06:00:01 PM  
both sides.....
 
2013-07-14 06:03:19 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: liquidpoo: Sure is a lot of hate on "white people" in here. Good thing it's not racist if it's against "white people."

Race plus power equals racism.


That was COMPLETELY made up.

Or are you saying that if a person spouts racial terms at a person, but they are not in a position of power, then it is not racism?
 
2013-07-14 06:03:21 PM  

Elegy: Treygreen13: WillofJ2: heili skrimsli: Dimensio: rzrwiresunrise: The thing that went wrong with the Zimmerman case: waiting 44 days to arrest him for homicide. And all because of FL's brand new SYG law.

Let it go & work on fixing that law.

Are you ignoring the fact that Mr. Zimmerman did not rely upon "Stand Your Ground" in his defense, or are you dishonestly ignoring facts that do not conform to your preferred narrative?

Never let the facts get in the way of a good outrage.

I take it you have recovered from Omaras smack down of the media last night

Ooh I missed that. Got a link?

Should be one of these two
One

Two


That answer to the last question he almost didnt take was epic
 
2013-07-14 06:05:14 PM  

CliChe Guevara: I'd rather see the NAACP deal with the black lady just sent to prison for 20 years for firing a warning shot at an attacker in a situation clearly and unambiguously covered under SYG.


You REALLY know nothing about that case do you?
 
2013-07-14 06:06:11 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: liquidpoo: Sure is a lot of hate on "white people" in here. Good thing it's not racist if it's against "white people."

Race plus power equals racism.


That sounds like something you heard in Sociology course. Good parrot. Want a cracker?
 
2013-07-14 06:10:04 PM  

TheDumbBlonde: StoPPeRmobile: liquidpoo: Sure is a lot of hate on "white people" in here. Good thing it's not racist if it's against "white people."

Race plus power equals racism.

That sounds like something you heard in Sociology course. Good parrot. Want a cracker?



MTV
 
2013-07-14 06:12:24 PM  

BunkyBrewman: He was found not guilty by a jury of his peers.

/yes, it's that simple regardless of one's feelings on the case


That and also a trial isn't about justice for the victim. Sorry but it ain't.

Zimmerman was found not guilty. Instead of wasting another second on him everyone signing this petition should get off their collective arse and actually work for policy changes/other things to make the world a safer place. Most of the people signing this petition are going to then dust off their hands and feel good about themselves until Honey Boo Boo or the Kardashians dangle a shiny object and their attention is re-captured.
 
2013-07-14 06:20:48 PM  

Fromageball: BunkyBrewman: He was found not guilty by a jury of his peers.

/yes, it's that simple regardless of one's feelings on the case

That and also a trial isn't about justice for the victim. Sorry but it ain't.

Zimmerman was found not guilty. Instead of wasting another second on him everyone signing this petition should get off their collective arse and actually work for policy changes/other things to make the world a safer place. Most of the people signing this petition are going to then dust off their hands and feel good about themselves until Honey Boo Boo or the Kardashians dangle a shiny object and their attention is re-captured.




Like, what kind of work?

Phone calls? Since writing is out.
 
2013-07-14 06:24:44 PM  
I guess some people think there's nothing like an old fashioned lynching to make sure that justice gets done.

Justice: Not administered in the court of public opinion.
 
2013-07-14 06:27:19 PM  

OhioUGrad: Thrag: OhioUGrad: Thrag: OhioUGrad: At least 3 separate marches in California, in Oakland destruction of property including a police car, over 100 arrested...not exactly the peaceful protests that they claimed were going on, and not the massive riots people claimed would happen...also the reports in Florida were that there were "mostly" no problems.

That's what we call a typical Tuesday in Oakland ;)

There were much larger peaceful protests going on at the same time, but Oakland has a strong asshole contingent that just wants any excuse to break shiat up.

Surprised you didn't just put southern California

/never been
//don't want to go

Why would I put southern California. You know Oakland is northern California, right? It's across the bay from San Francisco.

Because Oakland is just a pocket, but (at least in most posts I read regarding Cali) most people complain that pretty much all of southern Cali from like Bakersfield down is a hell hole.


Quit making us look like morons.
 
2013-07-14 06:39:01 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: The people calling Trayvon a violent thug who was trying to kill Zimmerman or was looking for trouble are on no sounder ground than those saying Zimmerman is a horrible racist who just wanted to gun down a black guy.


This bears repeating!
 
2013-07-14 07:05:41 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: Autarky: did not know that brown on black racism even existed....

Everyone hates everyone. Welcome to the human condition.



That's not true at all. I don't hate you.

/but those farking Illinois Nazis//I hate those bastards so much...
 
2013-07-14 07:28:56 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Lionel Mandrake: The people calling Trayvon a violent thug who was trying to kill Zimmerman or was looking for trouble are on no sounder ground than those saying Zimmerman is a horrible racist who just wanted to gun down a black guy.

This bears repeating!


Damn bears. Always trying to steal our picnic baskets.
 
2013-07-14 07:33:24 PM  

Tumunga: UnspokenVoice: HotWingConspiracy: LtDarkstar: Funny how it's acceptable for black people to go running to the NAACP over this verdict, but when OJ was found innocent they were celebrating and laughing in white people's faces and us white folks did not have an organization like NAACP to go running to mommy like these asshats are. Suck it up like the white people had to do for OJ. Black people always go running to someone and crying racism at the drop of the hat when they don't get their way. And then people wonder why I don't like black people.

It's not really a mystery. You racists aren't terribly clever.

Meh... I just hit the ignore button. I agree with the verdict but, well, I'm also half black. I wonder if that makes me racist?

Yep. You're racist. Did you not get the memo?


I'm going to put on a cape and hood and burn a cross in my yard. The neighbors won't notice so I'll call them up to help me burn it. Maybe they can wear a cape and hood too? I've got sheets.
 
2013-07-14 07:36:56 PM  
Which "civil right" allows you to attack a dude for no reason lol
 
2013-07-14 08:30:26 PM  

Tumunga: [i140.photobucket.com image 750x600]


I clicked on 'smart' about fifty times, just as my silent protest on the lunacy in this thread.  Usually, farkers lean slightly toward reason, but if this thread were a ship, it would be capsized.
 
2013-07-14 08:32:42 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Which "civil right" allows you to attack a dude for no reason lol


None that I have ever heard of. That's probably why GZ was found not guilty.
 
2013-07-14 08:40:38 PM  

johnnyrocket: I am shocked that people think if you get in a fight, you have the right to kill someone with a gun. That is the most absurd concept I have ever heard. This seems to be the crux of the divide.


So if someone attacks you, and you don't have the skills or the opportunity to fight back, your option is to get the shiat beat out of you or die?  That is the crux of your argument.  Wow, this is what passes for being a Fark Intellectual.
 
2013-07-14 08:45:49 PM  

Intrepid00: Mrtraveler01: Lionel Mandrake: The people calling Trayvon a violent thug who was trying to kill Zimmerman or was looking for trouble are on no sounder ground than those saying Zimmerman is a horrible racist who just wanted to gun down a black guy.

This bears repeating!

Damn bears. Always trying to steal our picnic baskets.


You know, accept for the actual proof the TM was a violent thug.  He wouldn't have been at his father's place (a Crip) if he hadn't been suspended for fighting.  His Twitter feed bragged about attacks he made on others, including a bus driver.  He had video of fight he chose to stand and watch and laugh about with his friends.  He had stolen merchandise in possession.

Please provide any proof that Zimmerman was a racist.  One "N-word".  One harsh look.
 
2013-07-14 09:22:47 PM  
i.dailymail.co.uk

Zeriously. He ist doing dies und yellundscreamen! Vy Ist he so mad at die frau in der Yoga-hosen?

Und vat ist der Gangnamstil?

/sorry for my fake-German. I know it sucks.
 
2013-07-14 09:58:46 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Like, what kind of work?

Phone calls? Since writing is out.


What are people trying to accomplish by biatching about the Zimmerman verdict? Identify that and pursue it in some meaningful way that could actually change things. Zimmerman was tried in court and acquitted; protesting and whatever else is pointless since a trial is not about justice for the victim.

For the record I'm not at all a fan of Zimmerman and I think he is a dangerous person, but that is neither here nor there.
 
2013-07-14 11:14:11 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Tumunga: [i140.photobucket.com image 750x600]

About time. We have been waiting for you.


I got caught in traffic jams trying to drive around the riots in Terre Haute.
 
2013-07-15 12:33:18 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: StoPPeRmobile: liquidpoo: Sure is a lot of hate on "white people" in here. Good thing it's not racist if it's against "white people."

Race plus power equals racism.

That was COMPLETELY made up.

Or are you saying that if a person spouts racial terms at a person, but they are not in a position of power, then it is not racism?


That is suppposed to be the demarcation between racism and prejudice/bigotry.

I think its always been an excuse for people failing to deal with individuals on an individual level. Racism just makes people feel good about themselves for something noone has any control over.
 
2013-07-15 02:22:17 AM  

TheDumbBlonde: StoPPeRmobile: liquidpoo: Sure is a lot of hate on "white people" in here. Good thing it's not racist if it's against "white people."

Race plus power equals racism.

That sounds like something you heard in Sociology course. Good parrot. Want a cracker?


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-15 09:30:04 AM  

Darkridr: tenpoundsofcheese: StoPPeRmobile: liquidpoo: Sure is a lot of hate on "white people" in here. Good thing it's not racist if it's against "white people."

Race plus power equals racism.

That was COMPLETELY made up.

Or are you saying that if a person spouts racial terms at a person, but they are not in a position of power, then it is not racism?

That is suppposed to be the demarcation between racism and prejudice/bigotry.

I think its always been an excuse for people failing to deal with individuals on an individual level. Racism just makes people feel good about themselves for something noone has any control over.


This. If the prevailing definition of racism doesn't apply to all people who practice it, then the term is worthless and should be discarded. As it stands, it's just the old "it's not wrong when we do it" ploy.
 
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