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(Huffington Post)   Creeped out by the Zimmerman decision, NAACP invites people to sign a petition for the DOJ to look into civil rights violations. Difficulty: NAACP's website down due to too many people trying to sign the petition   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 441
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2013-07-14 11:04:01 AM  
i51.tinypic.com
 
2013-07-14 11:05:27 AM  
As much as I would have liked to see Zimm rot in jail, I'm not signing that. He was already put on trial.
 
2013-07-14 11:06:26 AM  
Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.
 
2013-07-14 11:11:54 AM  
ironic that the only thing racial about the incident were the comments made by Martin to his female friend on the phone...
 
2013-07-14 11:15:37 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.


You are a callous idiot every other day so I guess today is just par for the course.

That said, I won't sign it either - killing someone is a crime, but I don't see how constitutional rights factor in here. Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges. Sue the fark out of him in civil court to the point where his every waking moment is obsessed with the amount he has to pay, sure, but I don't see how we can justify an end run at double jeopardy.

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.
 
2013-07-14 11:16:13 AM  
www.sentryjournal.com
 
2013-07-14 11:17:21 AM  

vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court


Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.
 
2013-07-14 11:18:31 AM  
Has anyone commented yet that Zimmerman doesnt even look white?
 
2013-07-14 11:21:14 AM  
NAAColoredPeople's problems.
 
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2013-07-14 11:21:47 AM  

elysive: Has anyone commented yet that Zimmerman doesnt even look white?


Yep, but he's close enough.
 
2013-07-14 11:22:06 AM  

vartian: jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.

You are a callous idiot every other day so I guess today is just par for the course.

That said, I won't sign it either - killing someone is a crime, but I don't see how constitutional rights factor in here. Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges. Sue the fark out of him in civil court to the point where his every waking moment is obsessed with the amount he has to pay, sure, but I don't see how we can justify an end run at double jeopardy.

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.


I've been assured that he'll be rolling in dough once he sues NBC and gets his book deal, but with the way he and his wife eat through cash, I can't see them having much money for long.

And I'm just scared shiatless at the precedent attempting to try this asshole twice would set.
 
2013-07-14 11:25:10 AM  

Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.


Reading that now. Lord, Florida is a farked-up state.
 
2013-07-14 11:26:21 AM  

Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.


This Floors Me. Florida is one of the dumbest states, and yet they have awesome legislation like this on the books?

Imagine, for a minute, if more species of lawsuits worked this way. You sue someone. You have to pay for EVERYTHING up front out of pocket. This would absolutely kill industries like patent trolls. It would be cheap as free to fight them, because it would be on their dime. And no one would ever settle, because any money is more expensive than free.

And quite frankly, civil lawsuits should be trumped by criminal ones. If you press charges, you should forfeit the right to sue. If you sue, you forfeit the right to press charges. It would remove the double jeopardy loop hole we've got goin' on how.
 
2013-07-14 11:26:41 AM  

vartian: jehovahs witness protection: Race baiters hitting up race baiters to race bait.

You are a callous idiot every other day so I guess today is just par for the course.

That said, I won't sign it either - killing someone is a crime, but I don't see how constitutional rights factor in here. Zimmerman did murder Trayvon due to paranoia and a sense of entitlement, and he is certainly a racist, but that is not clear enough to take a second shot at him for murder charges. Sue the fark out of him in civil court to the point where his every waking moment is obsessed with the amount he has to pay, sure, but I don't see how we can justify an end run at double jeopardy.

We'll just have to be content that a miserable coward who stalked and shot a tenager will be unable to live the rest of his life normally. If we are lucky, he'll also be doing it broke.


Self defense immunity in FL.

Sadly, that bastard is going to be rich, he's already made flush cash from all the "Stand Your Ground" masturbators throwing their wallet children into his defense fund.
 
2013-07-14 11:27:04 AM  

vartian: Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.

Reading that now. Lord, Florida is a farked-up state.


So, you think people who are not guilty due to self-defense should be sued by their attackers?  Really?

/Martin is a piss-poor martyr
//the system is racist, but this is a terrible case to use on your banner
 
2013-07-14 11:28:08 AM  

iq_in_binary: "Stand Your Ground"


Yet another outraged person who didn't follow the trial, only Facebook and Twitter....
 
2013-07-14 11:32:12 AM  
*yawn*

I just woke up...are America's urban neighborhoods flaming hulks of violent destruction yet?

...I was assured by many FARKers that the "race lords" and the Black Panthers were going to be lynching crackers all night...did I miss the action?
 
2013-07-14 11:32:14 AM  

Fark It: iq_in_binary: "Stand Your Ground"

Yet another outraged person who didn't follow the trial, only Facebook and Twitter....


So you're telling me he DIDN'T raise tons of cash for his defense fund?

PLEASE tell me you're saying that.
 
2013-07-14 11:32:42 AM  

Fark It: So, you think people who are not guilty due to self-defense should be sued by their attackers?  Really?


Yep, that's what I said. Every single person every tried for a crime, anywhere.

Oh wait no, I was talking about a particular case and a single individual. I can see how that could be easily confused.
 
2013-07-14 11:42:07 AM  
Is this how it's gonna be? Just keep throwing charges at him until something sticks?
 
2013-07-14 11:44:12 AM  
It's time for Obama to come out and say thank you to the State of Florida for going to great lengths to see that we found out for sure what happened in this case,  And then to applaud the jury for doing the right thing.  And finally to tell the NAACP (and others) to STFU.
 
2013-07-14 11:48:23 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Is this how it's gonna be? Just keep throwing charges at him until something sticks?


America: all the justice you can afford.
 
2013-07-14 11:55:06 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Is this how it's gonna be? Just keep throwing charges at him until something sticks?


Probably.  And the people who cheered Ronald Goldman's family for their persistence will shiat all over the Martin family.
 
2013-07-14 11:55:25 AM  
The FBI already looked into this in 2012 and found no evidence of racial bias on Zimmerman's part, but by all means keep engaging in carnal relations with that domesticated fowl.
 
2013-07-14 12:00:58 PM  
He was found not guilty by a jury of his peers.

/yes, it's that simple regardless of one's feelings on the case
 
2013-07-14 12:16:24 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: people who cheered Ronald Goldman's family for their persistence


Who were these people?
 
2013-07-14 12:16:25 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Is this how it's gonna be? Just keep throwing charges at him until something sticks?

Probably.  And the people who cheered Ronald Goldman's family for their persistence will shiat all over the Martin family.


I vaguely recollect that name.  How many people did he jump on top of and start pounding into the pavement?
 
2013-07-14 12:16:57 PM  

doglover: Lionel Mandrake: people who cheered Ronald Goldman's family for their persistence

Who were these people?


The Goldman family lawyers.
 
2013-07-14 12:22:27 PM  

BunkyBrewman: doglover: Lionel Mandrake: people who cheered Ronald Goldman's family for their persistence

Who were these people?

The Goldman family lawyers.


They would shiat all over the Martins for not hiring them, but trying to profiteer their son's corpse is well in line with lawyer ethics.
 
2013-07-14 12:23:31 PM  

Boojum2k: vartian: Sue the fark out of him in civil court

Very likely not, the self-defense laws in Florida not only prohibit civil cases against someone found not guilty by self-defense, they put all court costs, attorney fees, etc onto the filing party.


I don't know about Florida's loser pays law, but note that the self-defense argument is tougher to make in civil court, because the burden of proof is much lower. In the criminal case, the prosecution had to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, it's only a preponderance of the evidence. Combine that and the lack of a possibility of jail time, and you end up with a recipe for a compromise verdict/award if the case ever gets to trial. Certainly not a slam dunk for Martin's family, but it also wouldn't be a slam dunk for Zimmerman in the way the criminal trial was.
 
2013-07-14 12:24:40 PM  

Nabb1: The FBI already looked into this in 2012 and found no evidence of racial bias on Zimmerman's part,


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Violation of civil rights is not necessarily the same thing as "racial bias." Federal courts often have their own beefs against defendants alongside state courts. This is nothing new.
 
2013-07-14 12:25:00 PM  

doglover: Lionel Mandrake: people who cheered Ronald Goldman's family for their persistence

Who were these people?


A lot of people unsatisfied with the "not guilty" verdict.

Maybe you are too young, or clueless, or choose to forget, but the "get OJ" sentiment was pretty high at the time.  And the glee when OJ lost in civil court was pretty obvious to people with eyes.
 
2013-07-14 12:28:46 PM  
He's immune from civil liability if they found him not guilty based on self defense.

That won't stop that moron Crump from filing though.
 
2013-07-14 12:33:59 PM  

The Muthaship: He's immune from civil liability if they found him not guilty based on self defense.

That won't stop that moron Crump from filing though.


How the hell did Crump become a lawyer anyway?
 
2013-07-14 12:37:39 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: doglover: Lionel Mandrake: people who cheered Ronald Goldman's family for their persistence

Who were these people?

A lot of people unsatisfied with the "not guilty" verdict.

Maybe you are too young, or clueless, or choose to forget, but the "get OJ" sentiment was pretty high at the time.  And the glee when OJ lost in civil court was pretty obvious to people with eyes.


Totally opposite cases.

OJ was surrounded by evidence against him, but was only freed from the criminal side because California's prosecutors sucked.

Zimmerman said exactly what he claims happened from the first, and yet there's been no shred of evidence to counter his claims.

OJ was accused of ambushing two people in a crime of passion.

Zimmerman admitted to shooting an assailant who was straddling him.

OJ hired the best lawyers money could buy.

Zimmerman scraped up the only lawyers who would still work with him.


So much is different. The only comparison is that they were both trials. And frankly, I've always been upset that the Goldmans successful sued OJ. If they had sued the police for farking up the crime scene, the prosecutors for being morons, or even OJ's douchey roommate for being a douche those would have been acceptable. But they didn't. They sued OJ, who was found not guilty. I've always maintained you should slave civil damages for criminal acts TO the criminal charges. If you're not guilty of the crime, they shouldn't be able to sue you. It would make criminal juries think twice and be more in keeping with the spirit of the constitution.
 
2013-07-14 12:47:08 PM  

doglover: Totally opposite cases.


I wasn't comparing the cases, I was comparing the emotions of the party that felt justice was not served.

The jury reached the right verdict.  When only two people know what actually happened, and one is dead, and the law is written as it is, the verdict is a foregone conclusion.

Just remember that if you end up in a scuffle with someone in FL, kill them and claim you felt your life was in danger.
 
2013-07-14 12:48:38 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: if you end up in a scuffle with someone in FL, kill them and claim you felt your life was in danger.


If you end up in a scuffle in FL, your life is in danger.
 
2013-07-14 12:49:56 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: I was comparing the emotions of the party that felt justice was not served.


Which is silly. We shouldn't even acknowledge people who think the LEGAL system, full of LAWS, is there to serve EMOTIONAL justice.

If justice is not being met by the LAWS, maybe one could possibly try and talk to LAWMAKERS? Maybe get some new LAWS? Just a thought.
 
2013-07-14 12:53:56 PM  

doglover: Lionel Mandrake: I was comparing the emotions of the party that felt justice was not served.

Which is silly. We shouldn't even acknowledge people who think the LEGAL system, full of LAWS, is there to serve EMOTIONAL justice.

If justice is not being met by the LAWS, maybe one could possibly try and talk to LAWMAKERS? Maybe get some new LAWS? Just a thought.


Is the family proposing to do something outside of the law?

When they do something outside of the law, rest assured that I will criticize them for it.
 
2013-07-14 12:55:15 PM  

The Muthaship: Lionel Mandrake: if you end up in a scuffle with someone in FL, kill them and claim you felt your life was in danger.

If you end up in a scuffle in FL, your life is in danger.


Maybe.  It might be wise for people to avoid acting in ways that increase the likelihood of a scuffle occurring.
 
2013-07-14 12:57:19 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: It might be wise for people to avoid acting in ways that increase the likelihood of a scuffle occurring.


That's my policy.
 
2013-07-14 01:04:36 PM  

Somacandra: Nabb1: The FBI already looked into this in 2012 and found no evidence of racial bias on Zimmerman's part,



Violation of civil rights is not necessarily the same thing as "racial bias." Federal courts often have their own beefs against defendants alongside state courts. This is nothing new.


Zimmerman's not a state actor, so that negates a lot of causes of action for a civil rights suit, and most of the others would be rooted in racial discrimination. People need to move on.
 
2013-07-14 01:23:16 PM  
Nabb1:People need to move on.

 assets.nydailynews.com

He'll get right on that.
 
2013-07-14 01:27:29 PM  
Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois
 
2013-07-14 01:29:03 PM  

BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois


Maybe he was trying to illegally purchase a weapon because he wanted to join Zimmerman on the neighborhood watch.
 
2013-07-14 01:29:27 PM  

BravadoGT: Zimmerman robbed America of a great person--right after he was done with getting high, burglarizing houses and picking fights with strangers, he was all set to be the next W.E.B. Dubois


Yes, 17 years was plenty of time for this guy to prove worthy of life.
 
2013-07-14 01:51:36 PM  

The Muthaship: It's time for Obama to come out and say thank you to the State of Florida for going to great lengths to see that we found out for sure what happened in this case,  And then to applaud the jury for doing the right thing.  And finally to tell the NAACP (and others) to STFU.


Do you believe that will happen?
 
2013-07-14 01:51:55 PM  

vartian: and he is certainly a racist


Yeah, only a real racists takes a black girl to the prom and serves as a mentor to black youth.
 
2013-07-14 01:53:26 PM  

BunkyBrewman: He was found not guilty by a jury of his peers.

/yes, it's that simple regardless of one's feelings on the case


Quoting for anybody who might have missed this.
 
2013-07-14 01:54:02 PM  
I'd really like to think it was a hacker group that took them down.
 
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