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(CBS News)   Another Florida stand-your-ground case. No death this time; just a black woman firing warning shots at her attacker. Well of course she's going to prison   (cbsnews.com) divider line 255
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2013-07-14 09:29:56 AM
well, she should've killed him, apparently. oh, and been white.
 
2013-07-14 09:52:53 AM

FlashHarry: well, she should've killed him, apparently. oh, and been white.


It always helps to be white in Florida.  And yet some people insist on staying black all the same.  It's just shocking.
 
2013-07-14 10:16:15 AM
It would also have helped her case if she didn't go to his house and didn't, leave, go to her car and get the gun and then go back inside.
 
2013-07-14 10:36:09 AM
That's a pretty BS case for sure.
 
2013-07-14 10:51:57 AM

MasterAdkins: It would also have helped her case if she didn't go to his house and didn't, leave, go to her car and get the gun and then go back inside.


If I've learned anything these past two weeks, it's that relevant facts have no place in these discussions.
 
2013-07-14 10:53:55 AM

FlashHarry: well, she should've killed him, apparently. oh, and been white.


Marcus Aurelius: FlashHarry: well, she should've killed him, apparently. oh, and been white.

It always helps to be white in Florida.  And yet some people insist on staying black all the same.  It's just shocking.


Nope, Ronald Thompson was serving 20 years for firing a couple of warning shots (he is currently free awaiting a new trial it seems). He is white and an army veteran. He was also prosecuted by Angela Corey. So I guess even white people can get convicted and sentenced with mandatory minimums.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120614/ARTICLES/120619789?p=all &t c=pgall
 
2013-07-14 11:06:03 AM
Team Trayvon, do yourself a favor and learn the actual facts of this case before you comment.
 
2013-07-14 11:09:49 AM
If your life is actually in danger, you don't fire "warning shots"
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-14 11:13:06 AM
If she had actually fired the shots AT her attacker she wouldn't be going to jail.  The stand your ground law doesn't apply to warning shots.

Also, it sounds like the judge thought the sentience was excessive, but that Florida has a mandatory minimum law for crimes involving a gun.
 
2013-07-14 11:16:20 AM

vpb: If she had actually fired the shots AT her attacker she wouldn't be going to jail.  The stand your ground law doesn't apply to warning shots.


that's just all farked up.
 
2013-07-14 11:17:23 AM

MasterAdkins: It would also have helped her case if she didn't go to his house and didn't, leave, go to her car and get the gun and then go back inside.


1. She went to their  house to get her stuff, and she didn't think he was there.
2. She got the gun to defend herself- why do you hate guns?
 
2013-07-14 11:20:01 AM

vpb: If she had actually fired the shots AT her attacker she wouldn't be going to jail


That's a problem, in my opinion.  Warning shots that didn't hit anyone?  AT MOST that should be unlawful discharge of a firearm, MAYBE a brief stint in jail and certainly a fine.  20 years?  No, sorry, that's not only out of line, it's outright insane.  Unless there's something I'm missing here.
 
2013-07-14 11:20:24 AM

vpb: If she had actually fired the shots AT her attacker


She did fire that shot at her husband, as he was standing in another room with their two children. Her husband didn't attack her, he was trying to leave the scene with the kids because the biatch was going nuts. He's the one who called 911, not her. This crazy biatch left the house, went into the garage to retrieve a gun from her car, and then came back into the house and fired a shot "at adult height" towards her husband and kids.

Like I said, don't let the media manipulate you like you did with the Zimmerman case.
 
2013-07-14 11:23:18 AM
Wait a second, firing a warning shot is WORSE than firing at someone in terms of being prosecuted? Does not compute.
 
2013-07-14 11:23:57 AM

Popcorn Johnny: fired a shot "at adult height" towards her husband and kids.


So which is it? Did she fire a shot "at adult height" or at her kids? And if she was trying to hit her husband, why only one shot? Sounds like you are trying to make this into something it wasn't.
 
2013-07-14 11:31:43 AM
"Alexander's case has drawn support from domestic abuse advocates - and comparison to the case of neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, who has claimed a "Stand Your Ground" defense in his fatal shooting of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin."

What. The. Actual. Fark? How can a major newsorganization be so irresponsible?
 
2013-07-14 11:32:04 AM

Dinki: So which is it? Did she fire a shot "at adult height" or at her kids? And if she was trying to hit her husband, why only one shot? Sounds like you are trying to make this into something it wasn't.


I'm basing my opinion on the goddamn facts of the farking case. Go learn those facts and then come back here and tell us what you think. I'm not playing this farking game with Team Trayvon again.
 
2013-07-14 11:41:42 AM

Popcorn Johnny: I'm basing my opinion on the goddamn facts of the farking case.


If you are saying she shot toward her kids you are not basing your opinion on the facts of the case. But please keep telling yourself that.
 
2013-07-14 11:45:07 AM

Dinki: Popcorn Johnny: I'm basing my opinion on the goddamn facts of the farking case.

If you are saying she shot toward her kids you are not basing your opinion on the facts of the case. But please keep telling yourself that.


She shot into a room where her husband and the two kids were standing. Turns out the kids are actually her stepsons.
 
2013-07-14 11:45:29 AM

coco ebert: Wait a second, firing a warning shot is WORSE than firing at someone in terms of being prosecuted? Does not compute.


forget it, jake; it's florida.
 
2013-07-14 11:48:51 AM
By the way, it was Angela Corey who brought these charges.....LOL
 
2013-07-14 11:51:33 AM

Popcorn Johnny: She shot into a room where her husband and the two kids were standing.


According to This, she was in the kitchen and shot at the kitchen wall. Her husband was in the living room.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-07-14 11:54:50 AM

coco ebert: Wait a second, firing a warning shot is WORSE than firing at someone in terms of being prosecuted? Does not compute.


I think the reason is that "warning shots" are more likely to kill bystanders.  If you shoot an attacker it's the attackers fault.  If you shoot an Innocent person it's your fault.  Most law enforcement agencies prohibit warning shots for that reason.

I think in this case she was prosecuted because she fired the warning shots in the direction of the room where her kids were.

Still, the judge stated that the mandatory sentincing laws in Florida didn't allow for mitigating circumstances.
 
2013-07-14 12:04:19 PM

Dinki: Popcorn Johnny: She shot into a room where her husband and the two kids were standing.

According to This, she was in the kitchen and shot at the kitchen wall. Her husband was in the living room.


Damn you for linking that. Now I actually have to think and look for more information rather than go off my gut feeling.
 
2013-07-14 12:10:30 PM

Dinki: Popcorn Johnny: She shot into a room where her husband and the two kids were standing.

According to This, she was in the kitchen and shot at the kitchen wall. Her husband was in the living room.


Ummm.... you DO know that bullets don't necessarily stop when they meet a wall. It depends on the round and the wall. I mean, they don't just splat on the wall and fall on the floor.

At any rate, the facts of the two cases are completely different. Why anyone would attempt to compare the results of the two is beyond me. Oh... I guess because gun and black shooter and white shooter.
 
2013-07-14 12:47:16 PM

MasterAdkins: It would also have helped her case if she didn't go to his house and didn't, leave, go to her car and get the gun and then go back inside.


Yeah. And weren't her kids also either right next to him or in the next room?
 
2013-07-14 12:48:35 PM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: MasterAdkins: It would also have helped her case if she didn't go to his house and didn't, leave, go to her car and get the gun and then go back inside.

Yeah. And weren't her kids also either right next to him or in the next room?


Granted, in this case, don't you also have the victim saying something like she doesn't deserve to go to prison, he had it coming?  Something like that iirc from the original thread a few months ago. So, if anything, this case is a GREAT case to discuss mandatory sentencing guidelines and how farked up they may or may not be.
 
2013-07-14 12:48:35 PM
I think it's more of a testament to, "If you can pay more for your defense, you can get away with murder." I men, it worked for OJ Simpson, and he's black. But a rich black man.
 
2013-07-14 12:49:06 PM
coco ebert: Wait a second, firing a warning shot is WORSE than firing at someone in terms of being prosecuted? Does not compute.

It doesn't necessaraly make sense but it is the law. If you have time to fire warning shots you aren't in danger according to prosecutors.
 
2013-07-14 12:50:52 PM
This case is a tad different, she went to the house uninvited started an arguement left got a gun came back and fired shots in the vicinity of children, no one was attacking or threatening her, not saying she wasnt abused in the past but this is a big stretch to compare it to the zimmerman trial, she claimed stand your ground, zimmerman not so much

unless you want to look at angela corey, I think she is the only link
 
2013-07-14 12:51:51 PM

MasterAdkins: It would also have helped her case if she didn't go to his house and didn't, leave, go to her car and get the gun and then go back inside.


She didn't exactly leave.  She went to the garage.  According to both her and the man, the garage door wasn't working and she couldn't get out that way.
 
2013-07-14 12:56:11 PM

WillofJ2: This case is a tad different, she went to the house uninvited started an arguement left got a gun came back and fired shots in the vicinity of children, no one was attacking or threatening her, not saying she wasnt abused in the past but this is a big stretch to compare it to the zimmerman trial, she claimed stand your ground, zimmerman not so much


Yeah, those cases are VERY different, considering this lady is getting 20 years when nobody actually died and GZ got zero years for actually killing somebody.
 
2013-07-14 01:00:32 PM
She also ignored a.court order and assaulted him two weeks later she should have taken the plea
 
2013-07-14 01:05:02 PM

vpb: If she had actually fired the shots AT her attacker she wouldn't be going to jail.  The stand your ground law doesn't apply to warning shots.

Also, it sounds like the judge thought the sentience was excessive, but that Florida has a mandatory minimum law for crimes involving a gun.


Well, people in Florida usually tend to think any sentience is excessive. ;)


Yeah, this and the Trayvon case are totally, completely different. From the facts a conviction in this case is pretty understandable. Zimmerman's acquittal, however was not. That racist farkface chased a black kid down despite being told not to, and made him fear for his life. He created the entire situation that led to some kid getting killed.

This case though, way less simple.
 
2013-07-14 01:09:28 PM

FlashHarry: well, she should've killed him, apparently. oh, and been white.


Zimmerman is Hispanic, not white.
 
2013-07-14 01:09:38 PM

Marcus Aurelius: FlashHarry: well, she should've killed him, apparently. oh, and been white.

It always helps to be white in Florida.  And yet some people insist on staying black all the same.  It's just shocking.


And they act so uppity! Why, it's like they think they're just as good as we are! Just the other day one of those people came up and spoke to me! He wanted to know what time it was! The nerve!
 
2013-07-14 01:10:13 PM

mongbiohazard: Well, people in Florida usually tend to think any sentience is excessive. ;)


I see what you did there
 
2013-07-14 01:10:54 PM
Quick! Someone activate the Sharpton/Jackson signal.
 
2013-07-14 01:10:59 PM
I get the argument that she left the scene, therefore self-defense shouldn't apply, but 20 years for warning shots seems extremely draconian.
 
2013-07-14 01:11:16 PM

vpb: If she had actually fired the shots AT her attacker she wouldn't be going to jail.  The stand your ground law doesn't apply to warning shots.

Also, it sounds like the judge thought the sentience was excessive, but that Florida has a mandatory minimum law for crimes involving a gun.


I find that last sentence to be one of great interest.
 
2013-07-14 01:11:21 PM

FlashHarry: oh, and been white.


At the very least, white Hispanic.
 
2013-07-14 01:11:51 PM

theflatline: She also ignored a.court order and assaulted him two weeks later she should have taken the plea


And she was charged with 3 crimes because when she fired her "warning shot", at head height, with the gun pointed at her husband, he was standing in front of her WITH 2 OF HER SONS BESIDE HIM.
 
2013-07-14 01:12:10 PM

cashman: I think it's more of a testament to, "If you can pay more for your defense, you can get away with murder." I men, it worked for OJ Simpson, and he's black. But a rich black man.


O'Mara agreed to take on Zimmerman's case for free. He's getting paid out of the donations but he agreed to do it pro bono before they started giving Zimmerman donations.
 
2013-07-14 01:13:12 PM
Sweet, another thread for Team Trayvon to not read the actual evidence for.  Speculation is so much more fun than legal evidence.
 
2013-07-14 01:13:24 PM
Article is from May 12, 2012.

This was greened?
 
2013-07-14 01:13:30 PM

Dheiner: And she was charged with 3 crimes because when she fired her "warning shot", at head height, with the gun pointed at her husband, he was standing in front of her WITH 2 OF HER SONS BESIDE HIM.


Silly facts, trying to get in the way of another mob.
 
2013-07-14 01:13:51 PM

vpb: If she had actually fired the shots AT her attacker she wouldn't be going to jail.  The stand your ground law doesn't apply to warning shots.

Also, it sounds like the judge thought the sentience was excessive, but that Florida has a mandatory minimum law for crimes involving a gun.


This.  You aren't allowed to pull a weapon to warn off an attacker, you are only supposed to use it if you feel your life is in danger, which means using said weapon on your attacker.
 
2013-07-14 01:13:57 PM

Treygreen13: cashman: I think it's more of a testament to, "If you can pay more for your defense, you can get away with murder." I men, it worked for OJ Simpson, and he's black. But a rich black man.

O'Mara agreed to take on Zimmerman's case for free. He's getting paid out of the donations but he agreed to do it pro bono before they started giving Zimmerman donations.


He also gets paid by the state of florida, I think as part of one of those statutes that when you are found not guilty by self defense
 
2013-07-14 01:14:01 PM

ordinarysteve: I get the argument that she left the scene, therefore self-defense shouldn't apply, but 20 years for warning shots seems extremely draconian.


It has nothing to do with her race, though. If any of us had done exactly what she did exactly where she did, we'd get 20 as well.
 
2013-07-14 01:14:07 PM

MasterAdkins: It would also have helped her case if she didn't go to his house and didn't, leave, go to her car and get the gun and then go back inside.


Yeah, that would seem to be relevant.
 
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