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(NBC News)   60 percent of jobs created in the post-recession "recovery" pay $13.83 or less an hour   (nbcnews.com) divider line 239
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2013-07-14 10:57:22 AM  
And they will be mostly taken by illegal immigrants who will laugh at spoiled and lazy white people.
 
2013-07-14 11:18:03 AM  
What's the problem? Y'all want to eliminate the minimum wage so job creators can pay even less.
 
2013-07-14 11:18:45 AM  
So 40% pay more than that? Anybody know if those proportions are any different from the general wage stack that had been a part of our economy since forever?
 
2013-07-14 11:19:00 AM  
Thank you, job creators!
 
2013-07-14 11:19:47 AM  

ZombiesAreJerks: Thank you, job creators!


Peace be upon them.
 
2013-07-14 11:20:35 AM  
Therefore we need more tax cuts or something.
 
2013-07-14 11:23:31 AM  
So vote Republican?
 
2013-07-14 11:23:48 AM  
But anyone on food stamps is a moocher and not contributing to society.  So tax the living schitt out of them.  That'll larn 'em to be poor.
 
2013-07-14 11:24:06 AM  
Wait'll HR finds out they are making that much money. Time for some more layoffs!
 
2013-07-14 11:24:43 AM  
I'm pretty well convinced that we're on the downslope for good, and that the middle class is going to be a thing of the past. Even the STEM jobs are going overseas, so that the investment bankers can get a few extra pennies per share next quarter.
 
2013-07-14 11:24:54 AM  
What is the significance of $13.83? That's 28K. What were these numbers like before 2009(adjusted)?
 
2013-07-14 11:25:12 AM  
In this thread:  Republicans pretend they're against low paying jobs and this is all Obama's fault.
 
2013-07-14 11:26:43 AM  
When there's lots of supply and little demand, the price goes down.  Just be glad that demand is increasing.
 
2013-07-14 11:26:51 AM  
To be fair: I have one of those jobs. I am paid poorly, but at least I'm able to pay my bills.
 
2013-07-14 11:30:24 AM  
So, a bit over $27.50/hr w/o the 50% LOL YOU DUMBSH*TS KEEP SUCKING OWNERSHIP CACK Tax.

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2013-07-14 11:31:02 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: In this thread:  Republicans pretend they're against low paying jobs and this is all Obama's fault.


Of course. They'd prefer them to be no pay jobs. I'm seeing more and more unpaid internships popping up on job sites that require mid-career experience. I doubt it's legal but since there is virtually no enforcement on labor laws, legality doesn't matter. At least most of the "H1B only" jobs  have disappeared though that is probably because they've got a bit smarter about how they post instead of any actual change in hiring policy.
 
2013-07-14 11:32:59 AM  
Republcian paradise.
 
2013-07-14 11:34:32 AM  

MBrady: yea, but how many are 0bama "shovel ready" jobs?


What is this I don't even.

10/10, that's excellent.
 
2013-07-14 11:34:49 AM  
The median hourly wage for all occupations in the US was  $16.71 in 2012. Given that these are new jobs i would think they would start off lower.
 
2013-07-14 11:35:41 AM  
$13.83 an hour is pretty good wage in most of the country. Maybe not New York city or LA. In a family of 4 that has both parents working, that's $27.66 an hour or $57,532.80 per year. That's low enough to qualify for government assistance so this family doesn't even have to pay for food, get the child tax credit, heating assistance, and mostly likely tax exempt. This isn't ideal, but it isn't poverty nor a horrible life like so many in the world have to endure.

The rest of us in the 40% are doing pretty well. I sure as heck don't qualify for any assistance, but take what you can get if you can.

Things might not be great, but for the first time in my life we are relying on slow steady growth instead of riding a bubble that crashes in 10 years and takes everybody's 401K and the economy with it.
 
2013-07-14 11:37:16 AM  
DC just passed a law forcing large department stores to have to pay a living wage of $12/hr. Walmart's response is to skip three stores it was planning on building in the city.

So let's be honest here, a large portion of these jobs are crappy big-box stores that sell complete shiat for super cheap and don't mind screwing over their employees to have a better bottom line. It's been happening for a long time.

/Worked for Walmart during college
 
2013-07-14 11:37:50 AM  
I remember during Reagan's reelection campaign how the Democratic theme was essentially that yeah, employment was up, but it was all burger-flipping crap work (demonstrably false, by the way). Now it's for real but nobody on the left blames Obama. Apparently his presidency consists of spectatorship, not action, as far as Democrats are concerned.
 
2013-07-14 11:40:32 AM  

jjorsett: all burger-flipping crap work (demonstrably false, by the way)


Okay, demonstrate.
 
2013-07-14 11:41:02 AM  

jjorsett: I remember during Reagan's reelection campaign how the Democratic theme was essentially that yeah, employment was up, but it was all burger-flipping crap work (demonstrably false, by the way). Now it's for real but nobody on the left blames Obama. Apparently his presidency consists of spectatorship, not action, as far as Democrats are concerned.


So Obama should dictate to employers what kind of jobs they are to provide.  Fascinating.
 
2013-07-14 11:41:52 AM  

ZombiesAreJerks: Thank you, job creators!


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2013-07-14 11:43:00 AM  
Well, I'll just go sit over there and wait for that Jobs bill Congress should be working on any day now....
 
2013-07-14 11:43:44 AM  
When you're given a shiat sandwich of an economy, crappy jobs are better than no jobs.

When you're given a decent economy and you start trading good jobs for crappy jobs, that sucks.

Context matters.
 
2013-07-14 11:45:03 AM  
This helps to explain the rush to curb and scale back Unemployment benefits. A starved work force is a very pliable low waged work force.
 
2013-07-14 11:45:20 AM  

Granny_Panties: $13.83 an hour is pretty good wage in most of the country. Maybe not New York city or LA. In a family of 4 that has both parents working, that's $27.66 an hour or $57,532.80 per year. That's low enough to qualify for government assistance so this family doesn't even have to pay for food, get the child tax credit, heating assistance, and mostly likely tax exempt. This isn't ideal, but it isn't poverty nor a horrible life like so many in the world have to endure.

The rest of us in the 40% are doing pretty well. I sure as heck don't qualify for any assistance, but take what you can get if you can.

Things might not be great, but for the first time in my life we are relying on slow steady growth instead of riding a bubble that crashes in 10 years and takes everybody's 401K and the economy with it.


Where can you qualify for food assistance on such a salary?
 
2013-07-14 11:46:02 AM  

Dinki: The median hourly wage for all occupations in the US was  $16.71 in 2012. Given that these are new jobs i would think they would start off lower.


why?
 
2013-07-14 11:47:24 AM  

jjorsett: I remember during Reagan's reelection campaign how the Democratic theme was essentially that yeah, employment was up, but it was all burger-flipping crap work (demonstrably false, by the way).


Burger-flipping is not "crap work". It counts as a manufacturing job.
 
2013-07-14 11:48:04 AM  

raerae1980: Well, I'll just go sit over there and wait for that Jobs bill Congress should be working on any day now....


I vaguely remember there being a $1,000 tax credit (or something like that) for employers to hire new workers. I honestly can't think of a single reason why anyone would be against that.
 
2013-07-14 11:50:26 AM  
The problem is that the more technology advances the more productive an individual worker becomes. You need fewer workers to perform the same job and so competition for jobs increases and employers can pay less. It's not even really employers' fault for paying lower wages, that's just how the system works. All those middle class factory positions are gone and aren't coming back.

Eventually, although probably not in our lifetime, we will reach the point where we have to either decide to create make-work jobs to keep people employed or fundamentally overhaul our societies so that work is optional. Somebody posted a link to a good short story about just that a while ago. If someone has the link I'd appreciate it.
 
2013-07-14 11:50:30 AM  

coco ebert: Granny_Panties: $13.83 an hour is pretty good wage in most of the country. Maybe not New York city or LA. In a family of 4 that has both parents working, that's $27.66 an hour or $57,532.80 per year. That's low enough to qualify for government assistance so this family doesn't even have to pay for food, get the child tax credit, heating assistance, and mostly likely tax exempt. This isn't ideal, but it isn't poverty nor a horrible life like so many in the world have to endure.

The rest of us in the 40% are doing pretty well. I sure as heck don't qualify for any assistance, but take what you can get if you can.

Things might not be great, but for the first time in my life we are relying on slow steady growth instead of riding a bubble that crashes in 10 years and takes everybody's 401K and the economy with it.

Where can you qualify for food assistance on such a salary?


Fantasyland.  Or in his head, either way.
 
2013-07-14 11:53:05 AM  

jjorsett: I remember during Reagan's reelection campaign how the Democratic theme was essentially that yeah, employment was up, but it was all burger-flipping crap work (demonstrably false, by the way). Now it's for real but nobody on the left blames Obama. Apparently his presidency consists of spectatorship, not action, as far as Democrats are concerned.


I remember when Governor Perry bragged about all of the great high-paying new jobs being created in Texas. The media spent about 45 minutes trying to figure out whether this was true (and then they moved on to something else).

Most new jobs being created today are crappy jobs. I'm surprised 40% of them pay more than $28K a year.
 
2013-07-14 11:54:01 AM  
So we should cut their food stamps?
 
2013-07-14 11:56:52 AM  
Anyone familiar with Jonathan Swift can see where this is going.
 
2013-07-14 11:57:38 AM  
Here's an honest question, how is that different from previous job growth?  Just wondering.
 
2013-07-14 11:59:57 AM  
Or she could do what my girlfriend did for years. She is a single mother with three daughters. The father refused to contribute, other than the little bit of child support he was required to pay. She worked a full time job Monday through Friday then worked a Sunday job cleaning dental offices. It put food on the table, paid the rent and helped with college. Now two of the three daughters are in college (the youngest is 16 and still in high school). Was life easy for her? No. But she made her own way. No SNAP and no Medicaid.
Before the typical Fark assholes come rushing in here saying I'm denouncing social assistance, I'm not. These are good programs that help needy people. I work in a Medicaid clinic helping people like this every day. But you are doomed for failure if you look to the assholes in Washington to solve your problems. These are elected officials paid for by special interests who have no financial incentive to help the working poor. All you can do is help yourself when the government decides to fark you over.
/every situation is different
//your mileage may vary
 
2013-07-14 11:59:57 AM  
What % of the jobs that were lost in the first place paid less than $13.88/hr?
 
2013-07-14 12:04:45 PM  
If you look at the break down of unemployment by education, the unemployment rate for those with college degrees is around 4% while those with only a high school diploma or less is in the mid teens.

These $13ish/hr jobs are working to lower the rate for those with less education. Not everyone can be an engineer or an accountant.

Also these are service sector jobs. Growth in the service sector is good news. It means more people are spending money going out to restaurants, taking vacations, buying crap they don't need, ext. People are no longer slashing their spending in fear.
 
2013-07-14 12:04:52 PM  
I wish I could get a job that paid $14 bucks an hour. Most employers around here start closer to $10.
 
2013-07-14 12:07:15 PM  

Granny_Panties: $13.83 an hour is pretty good wage in most of the country. Maybe not New York city or LA. In a family of 4 that has both parents working, that's $27.66 an hour or $57,532.80 per year. That's low enough to qualify for government assistance so this family doesn't even have to pay for food, get the child tax credit, heating assistance, and mostly likely tax exempt. This isn't ideal, but it isn't poverty nor a horrible life like so many in the world have to endure.


... seriously? At $57k for a family of 4 being able to claim for food stamps, heating assistance and potentially tax exempt? What states are you talking about? The best I've seen is for a family of 4 to be making around $40k to be able to be accepted for those claims.

/And certainly not in Canada. Grr that my wife and I, with a single child, OWE the gov't about $300 in income tax this year with a salary that was about $50k combined, when we were making about $80k/yr before we had our child and I was laid off, and we were getting about $500 in RETURNS on average. Our tax system sucks diseased donkey scrotum.
 
2013-07-14 12:07:16 PM  
Clearly the resolution is to allow the right to abolish the federal minimum wage.  True, there'd only be two classes then... the rich and the 80 cents an hour class, but is that a problem?  Why are you badmouthing success?
 
2013-07-14 12:11:49 PM  

jjorsett: I remember during Reagan's reelection campaign how the Democratic theme was essentially that yeah, employment was up, but it was all burger-flipping crap work (demonstrably false, by the way). Now it's for real but nobody on the left blames Obama. Apparently his presidency consists of spectatorship, not action, as far as Democrats are concerned.


You're assuming that the current conditions are Obama's ideal.  Be honest, if he could unilaterally make our glorious jaaaahhhh creeayytorrs (PBUT) pay more, do you think he would?  But despite the right's "SOSHULIZM!!" rhetoric, he can't dictate wages to employers.  Now on the other side of the aisle, do you think that Republicans want wages to be even lower?  Given that they're practically deranged in their desire to keep the minimum wage the same level that it is now, or even lower it, I would say yes.

So, therefore, we blame Republicans when wages go down, because that's what they want to happen.  We don't blame Obama, because he doesn't want that to happen.
 
2013-07-14 12:12:02 PM  
The important thing is that Walmart is happy.
 
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2013-07-14 12:13:07 PM  

DubyaHater: Or she could do what my girlfriend did for years. She is a single mother with three daughters. The father refused to contribute, other than the little bit of child support he was required to pay. She worked a full time job Monday through Friday then worked a Sunday job cleaning dental offices. It put food on the table, paid the rent and helped with college. Now two of the three daughters are in college (the youngest is 16 and still in high school). Was life easy for her? No. But she made her own way. No SNAP and no Medicaid.
Before the typical Fark assholes come rushing in here saying I'm denouncing social assistance, I'm not. These are good programs that help needy people. I work in a Medicaid clinic helping people like this every day. But you are doomed for failure if you look to the assholes in Washington to solve your problems. These are elected officials paid for by special interests who have no financial incentive to help the working poor. All you can do is help yourself when the government decides to fark you over.
/every situation is different
//your mileage may vary



I guess she had someone to watch her three kids so she could go to work all the time.
 
2013-07-14 12:13:44 PM  
That sounds terrible.  They should unionize and demand better pay and benefits.
 
2013-07-14 12:14:26 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Wait'll HR the shareholders finds out they are making that much money. Time for some more layoffs!


FTFY
 
2013-07-14 12:16:16 PM  

Cpl.D: Clearly the resolution is to allow the right to abolish the federal minimum wage.  True, there'd only be two classes then... the rich and the 80 cents an hour class, but is that a problem?  Why are you badmouthing success?


Well if the .80/hour people really, REALLY wanted more money they would work hard and become job creators.
 
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