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2013-07-14 11:29:25 AM  
who needs to drive? there's an app for that.
 
2013-07-14 11:30:52 AM  
Right, because the entirely of society's idiots & douchebags are limited to just teenagers.  Never been cut off by someone older than a teenager.  Nope.  Never happens.
 
2013-07-14 11:31:00 AM  
Making them even less ready and capable of being independent adults. Good job, society!
 
2013-07-14 11:31:33 AM  

Fiction Fan: who needs to drive? there's an app for that.


Somebody needs to rewrite "The Machine Stops" for the GPS/smartphone dependent society
 
2013-07-14 11:32:38 AM  
In my observations it's because they expect someone to give them rides; less desire to be independent.
 
2013-07-14 11:36:58 AM  
I got my license at 16 but didn't own a car until I graduated from college. That made me Mom's chauffeur in exchange for borrowing her car occasionally.  I took the bus for work and other mundane things.  When I went to college, my license came in handy for helping out friends by driving their cars.

But the bullshiat associated with under-18 driving today definitely would have discouraged me. My son waited  until he turned 18 and so did his girlfriend.
 
2013-07-14 11:37:11 AM  
Driving is EXPENSIVE.  There's the cost of the automobile itself (plus registration), auto insurance, and of course, gasoline.   No wonder the most unemployed demographic in our nation isn't driving...
 
2013-07-14 11:37:27 AM  

dragonchild: Right, because the entirely of society's idiots & douchebags are limited to just teenagers.  Never been cut off by someone older than a teenager.  Nope.  Never happens.


No, but you're not cut off by that d-bag because he's reading his phone or facing his friends in his car. Bottom line, they're either better trained or held back from getting a license..
 
2013-07-14 11:38:42 AM  
I know my cousin's son could care less.
But then again, my cousin caters to his kids more than I think is balanced.  (his choice I guess...)

I remember, if I wanted to go somewhere, I needed to learn how to drive.
My mom didn't have the time or energy to do so for me...she was busy working...and recovering from that.
 
2013-07-14 11:41:00 AM  
Good. Now what do we do about all the idiots driving with their high beams on during the day?
 
2013-07-14 11:41:16 AM  
I'd have been interested to see the figures broken out by gender. Apparently that was too much to ask from TFA, though.

I can believe that social media has had an impact too. It's not quite as terrible hauling your kid around if it's just one or twice a week and not every day.

FTA : Experts suspect there's no single explanation for the shift

I'd also very much like to know just what field these people are experts in.
 
2013-07-14 11:41:36 AM  
If only Trayvon drove a car...
 
2013-07-14 11:41:54 AM  
big surprise- gas is expensive, a 2nd or even 3rd car for a family in these economic times is more of a stretch than it was in the past and its extremely expensive to put a teenager on an insurance plan.
 
2013-07-14 11:42:22 AM  

Fiction Fan: who needs to drive? there's an app for that.


Glendale: In my observations it's because they expect someone to give them rides; less desire to be independent.


In my observations, these seem to be the primary reasons.  Kids are less independent at the same age we were, and it's much easier for them to stay "socially" connected via electronic means then when we were kids.

/ YMMV
 
2013-07-14 11:42:31 AM  
It couldn't be that cheap cars are hard to find and insurance is outrageous.
 
2013-07-14 11:43:03 AM  
I DNRTFA, but is there suddenly a lot more public transportation these days, or are these kids just sitting at home whacking it?
 
2013-07-14 11:43:04 AM  

dragonchild: Right, because the entirely of society's idiots & douchebags are limited to just teenagers.  Never been cut off by someone older than a teenager.  Nope.  Never happens.


The drivers that scare me the most are; 1.) the Elderly ( >70) and 2.) Teenagers.

Frankly, I've seen far more near accidents with really old people than teens, just driving around my medium-sized town....

/ expect even more fender-benders as the Boomers become decrepit
// I'll be happy to hang up my licence when I'm old and feeble, unlike them...
 
2013-07-14 11:43:30 AM  

Arachnophobe: Good. Now what do we do about all the idiots driving with their high beams on during the day?


That just means you need to get out of the left lane. Take a hint.

/no, I don't care if you're already going the speed limit
 
2013-07-14 11:43:42 AM  
I'm 36.. Once upon a time I used to love to just get in the car and enjoy the open road....

Now it's "Get in the car and enjo.. WHY THE fark IS THERE TRAFFIC AND ROAD CONSTRUCTION ALL THE farkING TIME NOW??? EVERY-farkING-DAY-ALL-YEAR-AROUND fark THIS. I"M GOING HOME"
 
2013-07-14 11:44:18 AM  
The Entire Deck is stacked against teens. Not just costs associated with driving, but the cost of education, Obama making their willing or unwilling participation the basis of Obamacare, taxation inequity, an unforgiving legal system  - that's going on your Permanent Record said the Stasi- and the unbelievably expert methods of herding teens without sufficient life experience. Like this ...

.. herd them into the cities where they'll ride mass transit like proper little 'bots. No independence for you, young teen. Get into a city where we can keep an eye on you.
 
2013-07-14 11:45:09 AM  
I have seen this in my own family and friends.  Cost is a huge issue for many.  Another is a culture of being driven absolutely everywhere by your parents.  I think this is tied into the other peculiar phenomenon of this generation of having parents involved in job interviews for career-worthy jobs.

Since public transit still sucks in most but the largest cities, I doubt that has much to do with it.
 
2013-07-14 11:45:10 AM  
FTFA: Only 28 percent of 16-year-olds had their driver's license in 2010, compared with about 46 percent of 16-year-olds who were licensed drivers in 1983

That's significant, if correct.  This must have something to do with that interweb thing, there were plenty of video games and VCRs back then to keep you basementized.
 
2013-07-14 11:46:18 AM  
Society is changing as our access to cheap energy changes. Energy is cheap? A car is a rite of passage. Energy is scarce? Life goes on, and the old symbolism dies. I can't wait to explore how society will adapt to the coming realities.
 
2013-07-14 11:46:22 AM  
My daughter was raring to get her license and wasted no time annoying us into letting her drive constantly.

My son, who will be 17 in August, never asks to drive and isn't in any hurry to get his license.
 
2013-07-14 11:47:12 AM  

Nick Nostril: Arachnophobe: Good. Now what do we do about all the idiots driving with their high beams on during the day?

That just means you need to get out of the left lane. Take a hint.

/no, I don't care if you're already going the speed limit


Oh, no, I'm not one of those Lane Monitors. Can't stand those drivers. I'm talking about people just driving along with their high beams on, in broad daylight. I'm on the road most of the day for my job, and I'm noticing a lot more of them recently.
 
2013-07-14 11:48:18 AM  

Arachnophobe: Good. Now what do we do about all the idiots driving with their high beams on during the day?


Because driving with lights on is safer?
 
2013-07-14 11:48:55 AM  
Gas is expensive.
Insurance is expensive.
New cars are expensive to buy.
Old cars are expensive to maintain.

All the above make people without a lot of cash lying around use cars more out of necessity rather than as a luxury or status symbol.
 
2013-07-14 11:50:15 AM  
Where did the teens that were surveyed live?  I doubt they were surveying kids that lived in smaller towns or cities without adequate public transportation.  My teenager can't wait to get her license and her friends are the same.  Other than the added stress of having our child driving we are also looking forward to her getting a license so we don't have to take her everywhere she needs/wants to go.  As an added plus we can make her do errands we don't really want to do.
 
2013-07-14 11:51:45 AM  

Arachnophobe: Nick Nostril: Arachnophobe: Good. Now what do we do about all the idiots driving with their high beams on during the day?

That just means you need to get out of the left lane. Take a hint.

/no, I don't care if you're already going the speed limit

Oh, no, I'm not one of those Lane Monitors. Can't stand those drivers. I'm talking about people just driving along with their high beams on, in broad daylight. I'm on the road most of the day for my job, and I'm noticing a lot more of them recently.


Not just DRL's ?
 
2013-07-14 11:52:14 AM  

FizixJunkee: Arachnophobe: Good. Now what do we do about all the idiots driving with their high beams on during the day?

Because driving with lights on is safer?


You know there's a difference between daytime running lights (what that article is talking about) and high beams, right?
 
2013-07-14 11:52:18 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Society is changing as our access to cheap energy changes. Energy is cheap? A car is a rite of passage. Energy is scarce? Life goes on, and the old symbolism dies. I can't wait to explore how society will adapt to the coming realities.


That's actually a good point. I'm Gen-X, and I don't love cars nearly as much as my Boomer and "Greatest" Gen. relatives do...
 
2013-07-14 11:53:40 AM  

FizixJunkee: Arachnophobe: Good. Now what do we do about all the idiots driving with their high beams on during the day?

Because driving with lights on is safer?


That's low beams
 
2013-07-14 11:54:18 AM  
I dont know how new a thing this really is. Im 28 and only started driving in the last couple of years, mainly because I moved to a place where it is needed for work purposes.

a pretty good chunk of my friends growing up, probably about half of them never drove at all. Generally Ive lived in big enough cities where you had reliable subways and buses.

infact for life in some cities a car is more of a pain in the ass then it is worth.
 
2013-07-14 11:54:28 AM  

hugh chardon: Where did the teens that were surveyed live?  I doubt they were surveying kids that lived in smaller towns or cities without adequate public transportation.  My teenager can't wait to get her license and her friends are the same.  Other than the added stress of having our child driving we are also looking forward to her getting a license so we don't have to take her everywhere she needs/wants to go.  As an added plus we can make her do errands we don't really want to do.


Amen. And I live in the 'burbs.
 
2013-07-14 11:54:56 AM  

Nick Nostril: Arachnophobe: Nick Nostril: Arachnophobe: Good. Now what do we do about all the idiots driving with their high beams on during the day?

That just means you need to get out of the left lane. Take a hint.

/no, I don't care if you're already going the speed limit

Oh, no, I'm not one of those Lane Monitors. Can't stand those drivers. I'm talking about people just driving along with their high beams on, in broad daylight. I'm on the road most of the day for my job, and I'm noticing a lot more of them recently.

Not just DRL's ?


Definitely not. Plenty of people have DRLs, they don't hurt your eyes.
 
2013-07-14 11:56:08 AM  

dragonchild: Right, because the entirely of society's idiots & douchebags are limited to just teenagers.  Never been cut off by someone older than a teenager.  Nope.  Never happens.


I have never had all 4 wheels off the ground since I was a teenager.
 
2013-07-14 11:56:21 AM  

styckx: I'm 36.. Once upon a time I used to love to just get in the car and enjoy the open road....

Now it's "Get in the car and enjo.. WHY THE fark IS THERE TRAFFIC AND ROAD CONSTRUCTION ALL THE farkING TIME NOW??? EVERY-farkING-DAY-ALL-YEAR-AROUND fark THIS. I"M GOING HOME"


Don't forget all night too.  Throw up some lights and you can keep on paving til sunrise.

A 60 year old guy I know was, oddly, complaining about how young people will never get to enjoy the things he got to enjoy when he was young (which is why he says he didn't have kids), and a remark he made during his rant really sticks with me, and it was, "You used to be able to get on the highway and it was empty..." and he's right.

I'm 31, and when I was 16 I had a Ford Contour whose governor kicked in at 113 mph.  I know that because it used to do so a couple of times a day, and I was a reckless asshole who somehow managed not to kill anybody or get arrested before I got it out of my system.  I drive every day now in the same area of middle/east Tennessee, and I am NEVER out of sight of other cars.  Forget about triple digits.  Three in the morning, interstate, highway...doesn't matter.  It all sucks now.
 
2013-07-14 11:56:36 AM  
My 7 year old is saving for his first car. I really hope he won't need to use it b/c I'll hopefully be able to afford it by then along with insurance.
 
2013-07-14 11:57:52 AM  

zulius: dragonchild: Right, because the entirely of society's idiots & douchebags are limited to just teenagers.  Never been cut off by someone older than a teenager.  Nope.  Never happens.

No, but you're not cut off by that d-bag because he's reading his phone or facing his friends in his car. Bottom line, they're either better trained or held back from getting a license..


Statement not meant to be factual.
 
2013-07-14 11:58:08 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: Quantum Apostrophe: Society is changing as our access to cheap energy changes. Energy is cheap? A car is a rite of passage. Energy is scarce? Life goes on, and the old symbolism dies. I can't wait to explore how society will adapt to the coming realities.

That's actually a good point. I'm Gen-X, and I don't love cars nearly as much as my Boomer and "Greatest" Gen. relatives do...


It's interesting. I'm an older Gen-Xer and as a younger adult, I would have loved to have filled a 10 car garage with any car I wanted.

Today, I find driving much less enjoyable. I think it has to do with the terrible traffic and the number of slow drivers. It's a rare treat to look over the hood of your car and see an open road.
 
2013-07-14 11:59:36 AM  

chaddsfarkprefect: FTFA: Only 28 percent of 16-year-olds had their driver's license in 2010, compared with about 46 percent of 16-year-olds who were licensed drivers in 1983

That's significant, if correct.  This must have something to do with that interweb thing, there were plenty of video games and VCRs back then to keep you basementized.


No, it has to do with laws that make getting a license at 18 impractical in most states, impossible in some.
 
2013-07-14 12:00:06 PM  

Arachnophobe: Nick Nostril: Arachnophobe: Nick Nostril: Arachnophobe: Good. Now what do we do about all the idiots driving with their high beams on during the day?

That just means you need to get out of the left lane. Take a hint.

/no, I don't care if you're already going the speed limit

Oh, no, I'm not one of those Lane Monitors. Can't stand those drivers. I'm talking about people just driving along with their high beams on, in broad daylight. I'm on the road most of the day for my job, and I'm noticing a lot more of them recently.

Not just DRL's ?

Definitely not. Plenty of people have DRLs, they don't hurt your eyes.


Hrrm. I guess I don't notice this very often.  Probably people too busy with their cell phones to notice their high beams are on.

/ unless you're talking about the other high beams
// I'm all for that
 
2013-07-14 12:00:35 PM  
My kids grew up in Los Angeles.  Driving here is, obviously, more expensive and more stressfull than in most other parts of the U.S.  My oldest son got his learners permit as soon as he we able, practiced driving, but then let it lapse until he was 18 or so, when he finally got his license.  My younger son is now 19, doesn't even have a learners permit let alone a license.  He'll ask for a ride to work when he can, but doesn't feel like he's owed one.  They both figured out public transporation (as limited as it may be here in L.A.) at a young age and are very comfortable with it.
 
2013-07-14 12:01:35 PM  

EkimProx: If only Trayvon drove a car...


*vomit*
 
2013-07-14 12:04:10 PM  

Arachnophobe: FizixJunkee: Arachnophobe: Good. Now what do we do about all the idiots driving with their high beams on during the day?

Because driving with lights on is safer?

You know there's a difference between daytime running lights (what that article is talking about) and high beams, right?


Your eyes are already adjusted to sunlight.  Are these headlights really so awe-inspiringly bright that they're blinding you at high noon?
 
2013-07-14 12:04:39 PM  
Gas was under a dollar a gallon when I was sixteen. I could get through a week on a five dollar bill.
 
2013-07-14 12:05:10 PM  
Get old people off the roads, and they would be completely safe.
 
2013-07-14 12:06:36 PM  

Arachnophobe: Nick Nostril: Arachnophobe: Nick Nostril: Arachnophobe: Good. Now what do we do about all the idiots driving with their high beams on during the day?

That just means you need to get out of the left lane. Take a hint.

/no, I don't care if you're already going the speed limit

Oh, no, I'm not one of those Lane Monitors. Can't stand those drivers. I'm talking about people just driving along with their high beams on, in broad daylight. I'm on the road most of the day for my job, and I'm noticing a lot more of them recently.

Not just DRL's ?

Definitely not. Plenty of people have DRLs, they don't hurt your eyes.


Methinks those are after-market bluish bulbs, either in ricers or BMW-driving assholes (redundant, I know).  High beams don't hurt your eyes at night, either - they just create glare blindness.

/or else you need to see an optometrist
 
2013-07-14 12:07:26 PM  
I didn't get my full license until I was almost 20 (got my learner's at 18.) My husband was 25 when he got his.

Because of where we lived, buses were regular, cheap, and went anywhere we wanted. I even took public transit to school, so I could get anywhere I wanted on my own from age 14 or so.

Then we moved home. There are seven bus routes in town, and we live ten minutes by car from the closest bus stop. Given that much of our population lives in small one-stop-sign towns, teens need to get their license to go anywhere. Then again, most of them have been driving tractors since they were 14 so they at least have some experience.

My kids will likely get their licenses fairly young, but I won't hesitate to withhold the car keys if they do anything stupid.
 
2013-07-14 12:10:36 PM  

Koodz: Arachnophobe: FizixJunkee: Arachnophobe: Good. Now what do we do about all the idiots driving with their high beams on during the day?

Because driving with lights on is safer?

You know there's a difference between daytime running lights (what that article is talking about) and high beams, right?

Your eyes are already adjusted to sunlight.  Are these headlights really so awe-inspiringly bright that they're blinding you at high noon?


Blinding? No. Painful and leave you with spots in your eyes? Yes.
 
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