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(Mother Jones)   What's next for George Zimmerman? Federal charges? Civil charges? We pretty much know it's not going to be a trip to Disney World   (motherjones.com) divider line 1013
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2013-07-14 07:12:02 AM
I think he should join UFC.  He'd get taken down quickly and pummeled for 40 seconds or so, then he'd pull out his pistola and shoot the other guy.  Winner!
 
2013-07-14 07:18:27 AM
Obama DOES have it out for him. I'm guessing drone strike.
 
2013-07-14 07:27:21 AM
I'm sure that Martins parents already have a lawyer and will be suing Zimmerman soon. And they will win. Or is Floriduh one of those states that say if you are acquitted in criminal court you can't be sued in civil court?
 
2013-07-14 07:31:21 AM
Reality Show: "Zimm's World!"
 
2013-07-14 07:33:11 AM

Dinki: I'm sure that Martins parents already have a lawyer and will be suing Zimmerman soon. And they will win. Or is Floriduh one of those states that say if you are acquitted in criminal court you can't be sued in civil court?


Not even 5 minutes after court adjourned the lawyer was saying they would seek civil action.
 
2013-07-14 07:34:03 AM

Dinki: I'm sure that Martins parents already have a lawyer and will be suing Zimmerman soon. And they will win. Or is Floriduh one of those states that say if you are acquitted in criminal court you can't be sued in civil court?


Civil immunity exactly like it should be.  You know, that whole concept of not being repeatedly dragged through the courts once you're found not guilty, exactly like it should be.
 
2013-07-14 07:35:30 AM

AngryDragon: Civil immunity exactly like it should be. You know, that whole concept of not being repeatedly dragged through the courts once you're found not guilty, exactly like it should be.


Like OJ?
 
2013-07-14 07:35:52 AM
Civil lawsuit: 100% likelihood
Federal civil rights violation investigation: 99%
Federal prosecution: 25%

A federal prosecution and trial would be even dumber than Florida going after 2nd degree murder. I predict that a federal investigation will be loudly announced, drug out for a year or more, than quietly killed when attention is on something else.
 
2013-07-14 07:37:40 AM
Disneyland?
 
2013-07-14 07:38:19 AM
Did anyone seriously think that this guy who chased down the poor kid and confronted him so he could kill him would get convicted in the state where they went all Casey Anthony and elected Bush twice?
 
2013-07-14 07:39:11 AM
There just became an opening on Glee.
When one door closes another one opens.
 
2013-07-14 07:39:20 AM
Did those jurors ever decide whether this Zimmerman guy was guilty or not? How about with that Jodie Whats-her-ass?
 
2013-07-14 07:39:39 AM

jehovahs witness protection: Obama DOES have it out for him. I'm guessing drone strike.


Nahhhh, his fate will be far worse than that. Obama will sic the IRS on him. ::shudder::
 
2013-07-14 07:40:49 AM
i.imgur.com

Approves.
 
2013-07-14 07:41:00 AM

tonguedepressor: There just became an opening on Glee.
When one door closes another one opens.


Window seat, you magnificent bastard.
 
2013-07-14 07:41:47 AM

zippolight2002: Dinki: I'm sure that Martins parents already have a lawyer and will be suing Zimmerman soon. And they will win. Or is Floriduh one of those states that say if you are acquitted in criminal court you can't be sued in civil court?

Not even 5 minutes after court adjourned the lawyer was saying they would seek civil action.


Simple.  Have him talk to the parents the lawyers.  Say the parents and layers attacked him.  Since it was 4+ against 1, he was in fear for his life since that many people ganging up on him could inflict severe bodily harm or kill him forcing him to defend himself and shoot them all.

Then when the relatives try to sue him.  Meet with them and their lawyers and do the same thing.  After a few hundred die, they might get the farking hint and let it drop.
 
2013-07-14 07:42:03 AM
Hmmm, I forgot about how Zimmerman tried to hide money from the court. I would think the state has him dead to rights on this. Anyone know what charges they could bring?
 
2013-07-14 07:42:24 AM

syrynxx: He'd get taken down quickly and pummeled for 40 seconds or so, then he'd pull out his pistola and shoot the other guy. Winner!


UFC is fake.  Zimmerman should go to the WWE if he wants to get a taste of shootfighting.
 
2013-07-14 07:42:24 AM
He can't be sued in civil court in FL since he was "vindicated" as a self-defense case, AFAIK. Generally I think this is a good law; an honest-to-goodness criminal who is killed lawfully shouldn't be able to have his/her estate sue the person defending himself/herself. I'm not sure how I feel about this case however...
 
2013-07-14 07:42:31 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: Did anyone seriously think that this guy who chased down the poor kid and confronted him so he could kill him would get convicted in the state where they went all Casey Anthony and elected Bush twice?


FAIL
 
2013-07-14 07:44:25 AM
Is this the new "scare" story? I was assured by many a "news site" that riots would be inevitable. That the "animals" would wild thru the streets.

Humm....that didn't happen. Guess we move on to continued speculation of the worst case scenario appealing to the worst in human emotions to keep this story relevant till we can find a dead girl (preferably blonde) or a live boy in a politician's bed.

Feed the maw!!!
 
2013-07-14 07:44:48 AM
What's next for George Zimmerman?

FOX News trial analyst.
 
2013-07-14 07:44:57 AM
From the article, quoting the family's lawyer:

"The suit did not include Zimmerman, but the family's attorney Benjamin Crump has said that the family intends to sue their son's killer at some point in the future."

So why were there so many idiot Farkers in last night's "Not Guilty" thread calling me ignorant because I said Zimmerman would now face a civil trial? Man, I hate Fark lawyers.
 
2013-07-14 07:47:27 AM

AngryDragon: Dinki: I'm sure that Martins parents already have a lawyer and will be suing Zimmerman soon. And they will win. Or is Floriduh one of those states that say if you are acquitted in criminal court you can't be sued in civil court?

Civil immunity exactly like it should be.  You know, that whole concept of not being repeatedly dragged through the courts once you're found not guilty, exactly like it should be.


Burdens of proof. How do they work?
 
2013-07-14 07:47:35 AM

benzene: He can't be sued in civil court in FL since he was "vindicated" as a self-defense case, AFAIK. Generally I think this is a good law; an honest-to-goodness criminal who is killed lawfully shouldn't be able to have his/her estate sue the person defending himself/herself. I'm not sure how I feel about this case however...


Was he found not guilty due to lack of evidence or not guilty by reason of self defense. I believe only the latter would grant immunity
 
2013-07-14 07:48:19 AM

Whiskey Pete: AngryDragon: Civil immunity exactly like it should be. You know, that whole concept of not being repeatedly dragged through the courts once you're found not guilty, exactly like it should be.

Like OJ?


No, not like OJ. Zimmerman put on an affirmative defense (self defense). There was no question whether Zimmerman killed Martin. The question was whether he was not guilty by claiming self defense (as opposed to "stand your ground"). I believe he is immune from civil suits in Florida under self defense. A civil rights prosecution would be ridiculous political posturing.
 
2013-07-14 07:48:24 AM
DAMNIT!  I thought this was over.
 
2013-07-14 07:48:35 AM
Once you've been found not guilty, no one should be able to drag you to civil court and take everything you have for something you've been found not guilty of
 
2013-07-14 07:49:11 AM
Pretty sure some form of plastic surgery is in the immediate future.
 
2013-07-14 07:50:48 AM

Whiskey Pete: AngryDragon: Civil immunity exactly like it should be. You know, that whole concept of not being repeatedly dragged through the courts once you're found not guilty, exactly like it should be.

Like OJ?


False equivalency.  Civil and criminal courts are very different.  OJ was not found to be acting in self-defense.  There's a reason why the self-defense act is specifically immunized from civil suits and other not guilty findings aren't.  The standard for burden of proof is much lower in a civil court.  That's why OJ was found not guilty but ordered to pay due to wrongful death.

A person found not guilty by reason of self-defense should not have to endure further litigation as a general rule of law.
 
2013-07-14 07:51:41 AM
The only consolation is that fatass will most likely live in fear for the rest of his morbidly obese life.
 
2013-07-14 07:52:41 AM

AngryDragon: Whiskey Pete: AngryDragon: Civil immunity exactly like it should be. You know, that whole concept of not being repeatedly dragged through the courts once you're found not guilty, exactly like it should be.

Like OJ?

False equivalency.  Civil and criminal courts are very different.  OJ was not found to be acting in self-defense.  There's a reason why the self-defense act is specifically immunized from civil suits and other not guilty findings aren't.  The standard for burden of proof is much lower in a civil court.  That's why OJ was found not guilty but ordered to pay due to wrongful death.

A person found not guilty by reason of self-defense should not have to endure further litigation as a general rule of law.


Did the jury specify not guilty by reAson of self defense or did thy just say not guilty
 
2013-07-14 07:54:04 AM

skinink: From the article, quoting the family's lawyer:

"The suit did not include Zimmerman, but the family's attorney Benjamin Crump has said that the family intends to sue their son's killer at some point in the future."

So why were there so many idiot Farkers in last night's "Not Guilty" thread calling me ignorant because I said Zimmerman would now face a civil trial? Man, I hate Fark lawyers.


If it's correct you can't sue in FLA civil court after a successful "self-defense" criminal acquittal, there's a BIG gap between "the family intends to sue" and Zimmerman actually facing any serious civil litigation that gets past a very quick motion to dismiss.

Not saying it's what happened here, but it wouldn't exactly be the first time a lawyer has mouthed platitudes to the press solely to calm his unhappy clients...
 
2013-07-14 07:54:33 AM
I wonder how many Trayvon mourners were equally as grief stricken over the deaths of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman?

IIRC, OJ walking was seen as a win by some.

/just sayin'
 
2013-07-14 07:55:15 AM

Warlordtrooper: AngryDragon: Whiskey Pete: AngryDragon: Civil immunity exactly like it should be. You know, that whole concept of not being repeatedly dragged through the courts once you're found not guilty, exactly like it should be.

Like OJ?

False equivalency.  Civil and criminal courts are very different.  OJ was not found to be acting in self-defense.  There's a reason why the self-defense act is specifically immunized from civil suits and other not guilty findings aren't.  The standard for burden of proof is much lower in a civil court.  That's why OJ was found not guilty but ordered to pay due to wrongful death.

A person found not guilty by reason of self-defense should not have to endure further litigation as a general rule of law.

Did the jury specify not guilty by reAson of self defense or did thy just say not guilty


From what I saw on CNN listening to both the prosecutor and O'Mara, the jury was given three options.  Murder 2, manslaughter, and not guilty by reason of self-defense.  O'Mara stated specifically in his comments that immunity applies.
 
2013-07-14 07:57:39 AM

AngryDragon: Warlordtrooper: AngryDragon: Whiskey Pete: AngryDragon: Civil immunity exactly like it should be. You know, that whole concept of not being repeatedly dragged through the courts once you're found not guilty, exactly like it should be.

Like OJ?

False equivalency.  Civil and criminal courts are very different.  OJ was not found to be acting in self-defense.  There's a reason why the self-defense act is specifically immunized from civil suits and other not guilty findings aren't.  The standard for burden of proof is much lower in a civil court.  That's why OJ was found not guilty but ordered to pay due to wrongful death.

A person found not guilty by reason of self-defense should not have to endure further litigation as a general rule of law.

Did the jury specify not guilty by reAson of self defense or did thy just say not guilty

From what I saw on CNN listening to both the prosecutor and O'Mara, the jury was given three options.  Murder 2, manslaughter, and not guilty by reason of self-defense.  O'Mara stated specifically in his comments that immunity applies.


Ok that makes more sense then. I was under the impression the jury could have gone of a normal not guilty based on lack of evidence.
 
HKW
2013-07-14 07:58:11 AM
Its unjust that Zimmerman cant bring a malpractice suit against the entire prosecution team. There was never a case here, as was evudence by the police not arresting him, the investigators not arresting him, and the first special prosecutor refusing to pursue this case - witch hunt.
 
2013-07-14 08:00:53 AM
Well, since it's legal to kill someone in Florida as long as you goad them into a fight first he should work through his enemies list.
 
2013-07-14 08:00:58 AM
Cheesecake Factory time!!!!!!
 
2013-07-14 08:01:55 AM

Warlordtrooper: benzene: He can't be sued in civil court in FL since he was "vindicated" as a self-defense case, AFAIK. Generally I think this is a good law; an honest-to-goodness criminal who is killed lawfully shouldn't be able to have his/her estate sue the person defending himself/herself. I'm not sure how I feel about this case however...

Was he found not guilty due to lack of evidence or not guilty by reason of self defense. I believe only the latter would grant immunity


I don't think the law distinguishes between those scenarios. If he's not guilty, he's not guilty and immune from civil suits. I'm not a lawyer though, so I could be wrong.

Frankly, I think the prosecution overstepped with their pursuit of 2nd degree murder when they should've gone for manslaughter all along, similar to how the Casey Anthony prosecutors went for 1st degree when that was not possible and screwed themselves. The prosecution screwed up a number of other times along the way, but I think that first mistake was itself fatal to getting any conviction.
 
2013-07-14 08:02:30 AM

born_yesterday: What's next for George Zimmerman?

FOX News trial analyst.



Nah. He'll get a book deal and a few speaking gigs at NRA events, say something monumentally stupid, and watch the speaking gigs dry up. After that, we probably won't hear from him until he gets arrested for beating his wife again, A dumbass don't change his spots.
 
HKW
2013-07-14 08:04:19 AM

skozlaw: Well, since it's legal to kill someone in Florida as long as you goad them into a fight first he should work through his enemies list.


If you had watched the trial, instead of relying on MSNBC 'facts', you wouldnt be so butthurt.
 
2013-07-14 08:04:56 AM
Zimmerman appears to be Hispanic, is that not true? Something tells me if his name was Jorge Zambrano, this case never would have gotten national attention, or perhaps even gone to trial given the apparent lack of evidence.
 
2013-07-14 08:04:57 AM
I assume he'll put on his suing pants and use the money from defamation suits for protection.
He's not safe and it'd doubtful he will ever be able to live a normal life again.
 
2013-07-14 08:05:41 AM
I realize I'm not supposed to talk about such things, but I'm confused about how someone's race is assigned.

When someone is of mixed background (parents from differing cultures), why is it 'sometimes it's this or that' (President Obama/Tiger Woods/Lenny Kravitz/Hallie Berry are all considered 'black' not 'white' - in the context of this topic, I've heard Zimmerman referred to as being 'white' while others describe him as 'Hispanic'...  I'm not trolling - just wanted to know what point of distinction I'm missing here....
 
2013-07-14 08:07:45 AM

skozlaw: Well, since it's legal to kill someone in Florida as long as you goad them into a fight first he should work through his enemies list.


Maybe Trayvon should have fought back with words instead of fists?  There is absolutely no reason to get physical over a verbal argument/disagreement/accusation.
 
2013-07-14 08:10:25 AM
Martin's lawyer is on CBS right now.
 
2013-07-14 08:11:01 AM

jehovahs witness protection: Obama DOES have it out for him. I'm guessing drone strike.


OBAMA HATES GLEE!!! He iced that guy from the show last night. WITH DRONES!
 
2013-07-14 08:11:21 AM
Sorry, ABC. But he's dodging the question about further legal action.
 
2013-07-14 08:12:03 AM

Whiskey Pete: AngryDragon: Civil immunity exactly like it should be. You know, that whole concept of not being repeatedly dragged through the courts once you're found not guilty, exactly like it should be.

Like OJ?


Civil courts have different standards, that is why you can be found not guilty in a criminal court, but liable for a judgement in civil court. You don't have to do something illegal for me to sue you, you just have to be liable.
 
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