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2013-07-14 05:26:41 PM

Mentat: I trust a Democrat more than I trust a Republican, but since I don't trust either of them all that much, it's not saying anything.


Kind of like deciding which prison gang at a supermax is more trustworthy.
 
2013-07-14 05:30:57 PM

BMFPitt: Mentat: I trust a Democrat more than I trust a Republican, but since I don't trust either of them all that much, it's not saying anything.

Kind of like deciding which prison gang at a supermax is more trustworthy.




Probably all of them beat the politicians.
 
2013-07-14 06:13:19 PM

StoPPeRmobile: BMFPitt: Mentat: I trust a Democrat more than I trust a Republican, but since I don't trust either of them all that much, it's not saying anything.

Kind of like deciding which prison gang at a supermax is more trustworthy.

Probably all of them beat the politicians.


I'm curious - have you ever met with your congressman or either of your senators personally? Have you ever spoken with any of them about your concerns? My guess is that you haven't, which is a shame - I've always found the elected officials I've met to be smart, hard-working, and genuinely concerned about the issues that are important to their constituents. Now, granted, I've only met one Republican senator, Slade Gorton (and he was the single, solitary exception to the general rule; he was a dick), but the Democrats I've met have all been good people. I still remember meeting Senator Frank Church when I was a teenager, and he took the time to respond to my objections to arms sales to Turkey and explain his position. More recently, I got to sit down over a beer with Rep. Jim McDermott, and the depth of his knowledge on health care reform (this was pre-ACA) was truly impressive.
 
2013-07-14 06:28:24 PM

BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: BMFPitt: Mentat: I trust a Democrat more than I trust a Republican, but since I don't trust either of them all that much, it's not saying anything.

Kind of like deciding which prison gang at a supermax is more trustworthy.

Probably all of them beat the politicians.

I'm curious - have you ever met with your congressman or either of your senators personally? Have you ever spoken with any of them about your concerns? My guess is that you haven't, which is a shame - I've always found the elected officials I've met to be smart, hard-working, and genuinely concerned about the issues that are important to their constituents. Now, granted, I've only met one Republican senator, Slade Gorton (and he was the single, solitary exception to the general rule; he was a dick), but the Democrats I've met have all been good people. I still remember meeting Senator Frank Church when I was a teenager, and he took the time to respond to my objections to arms sales to Turkey and explain his position. More recently, I got to sit down over a beer with Rep. Jim McDermott, and the depth of his knowledge on health care reform (this was pre-ACA) was truly impressive.




lol.

www.cfnews13.com
"A political career that opened nearly a decade ago closes Monday when a federal judge sentences White on bribery and corruption charges. White, 47, a man who battled family demons in an improbable rise to prominence, is almost certainly headed to prison."
 
2013-07-14 06:33:45 PM

StoPPeRmobile: BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: BMFPitt: Mentat: I trust a Democrat more than I trust a Republican, but since I don't trust either of them all that much, it's not saying anything.

Kind of like deciding which prison gang at a supermax is more trustworthy.

Probably all of them beat the politicians.

I'm curious - have you ever met with your congressman or either of your senators personally? Have you ever spoken with any of them about your concerns? My guess is that you haven't, which is a shame - I've always found the elected officials I've met to be smart, hard-working, and genuinely concerned about the issues that are important to their constituents. Now, granted, I've only met one Republican senator, Slade Gorton (and he was the single, solitary exception to the general rule; he was a dick), but the Democrats I've met have all been good people. I still remember meeting Senator Frank Church when I was a teenager, and he took the time to respond to my objections to arms sales to Turkey and explain his position. More recently, I got to sit down over a beer with Rep. Jim McDermott, and the depth of his knowledge on health care reform (this was pre-ACA) was truly impressive.

lol.

[www.cfnews13.com image 676x456]
"A political career that opened nearly a decade ago closes Monday when a federal judge sentences White on bribery and corruption charges. White, 47, a man who battled family demons in an improbable rise to prominence, is almost certainly headed to prison."


Whatever. You could have just said "no, I never have."
 
2013-07-14 06:35:27 PM

BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: BMFPitt: Mentat: I trust a Democrat more than I trust a Republican, but since I don't trust either of them all that much, it's not saying anything.

Kind of like deciding which prison gang at a supermax is more trustworthy.

Probably all of them beat the politicians.

I'm curious - have you ever met with your congressman or either of your senators personally? Have you ever spoken with any of them about your concerns? My guess is that you haven't, which is a shame - I've always found the elected officials I've met to be smart, hard-working, and genuinely concerned about the issues that are important to their constituents. Now, granted, I've only met one Republican senator, Slade Gorton (and he was the single, solitary exception to the general rule; he was a dick), but the Democrats I've met have all been good people. I still remember meeting Senator Frank Church when I was a teenager, and he took the time to respond to my objections to arms sales to Turkey and explain his position. More recently, I got to sit down over a beer with Rep. Jim McDermott, and the depth of his knowledge on health care reform (this was pre-ACA) was truly impressive.

lol.

[www.cfnews13.com image 676x456]
"A political career that opened nearly a decade ago closes Monday when a federal judge sentences White on bribery and corruption charges. White, 47, a man who battled family demons in an improbable rise to prominence, is almost certainly headed to prison."

Whatever. You could have just said "no, I never have."




I've been too involved. That guy was a used car salesman.

Crooked farks down here.
 
2013-07-14 06:39:00 PM

StoPPeRmobile: BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: BMFPitt: Mentat: I trust a Democrat more than I trust a Republican, but since I don't trust either of them all that much, it's not saying anything.

Kind of like deciding which prison gang at a supermax is more trustworthy.

Probably all of them beat the politicians.

I'm curious - have you ever met with your congressman or either of your senators personally? Have you ever spoken with any of them about your concerns? My guess is that you haven't, which is a shame - I've always found the elected officials I've met to be smart, hard-working, and genuinely concerned about the issues that are important to their constituents. Now, granted, I've only met one Republican senator, Slade Gorton (and he was the single, solitary exception to the general rule; he was a dick), but the Democrats I've met have all been good people. I still remember meeting Senator Frank Church when I was a teenager, and he took the time to respond to my objections to arms sales to Turkey and explain his position. More recently, I got to sit down over a beer with Rep. Jim McDermott, and the depth of his knowledge on health care reform (this was pre-ACA) was truly impressive.

lol.

[www.cfnews13.com image 676x456]
"A political career that opened nearly a decade ago closes Monday when a federal judge sentences White on bribery and corruption charges. White, 47, a man who battled family demons in an improbable rise to prominence, is almost certainly headed to prison."

Whatever. You could have just said "no, I never have."

I've been too involved. That guy was a used car salesman.

Crooked farks down here.


Fine - there is no question that there are elected representatives at all levels, from dogcatcher to President of the United States, who have been dishonest, incompetent, or both. The same can be said of doctors, lawyers, teachers, engineers, and waitresses. That doesn't mean I'm going to assume that every waitress I meet is trying to rip me off.
 
2013-07-14 06:57:54 PM

BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: BMFPitt: Mentat: I trust a Democrat more than I trust a Republican, but since I don't trust either of them all that much, it's not saying anything.

Kind of like deciding which prison gang at a supermax is more trustworthy.

Probably all of them beat the politicians.

I'm curious - have you ever met with your congressman or either of your senators personally? Have you ever spoken with any of them about your concerns? My guess is that you haven't, which is a shame - I've always found the elected officials I've met to be smart, hard-working, and genuinely concerned about the issues that are important to their constituents. Now, granted, I've only met one Republican senator, Slade Gorton (and he was the single, solitary exception to the general rule; he was a dick), but the Democrats I've met have all been good people. I still remember meeting Senator Frank Church when I was a teenager, and he took the time to respond to my objections to arms sales to Turkey and explain his position. More recently, I got to sit down over a beer with Rep. Jim McDermott, and the depth of his knowledge on health care reform (this was pre-ACA) was truly impressive.

lol.

[www.cfnews13.com image 676x456]
"A political career that opened nearly a decade ago closes Monday when a federal judge sentences White on bribery and corruption charges. White, 47, a man who battled family demons in an improbable rise to prominence, is almost certainly headed to prison."

Whatever. You could have just said "no, I never have."

I've been too involved. That guy was a used car salesman.

Crooked farks down here.

Fine - there is no question that there are elected representatives at all levels, from dogcatcher to President of the United States, who have been dishonest, incompetent, or both. The same can be said of doctors, lawyers, teachers, engineers, and waitresses. That doesn't mean I'm going to assume that every waitress I meet is trying ...




The waitress doesn't really like you. She is pretending since here livelihood depends on it. Almost exactly like a politician. Same goes for strippers, unfortunately.

Dogcatcher the other day, allegedly, euthanized a cat in his vehicle after assuring the person that called that they were bringing the cat to the "rescue" center. On the radio the other day, the owner of the 3-legged cat said she has been that way since birth, and had wandered off during fireworks day.

Lawyers? see Zman trial.

Teachers? See any newspaper, any week.

Doctors? See VA.

You have me on engineers. Curses!
 
2013-07-14 07:00:31 PM

StoPPeRmobile: The waitress doesn't really like you. She is pretending since here livelihood depends on it. Almost exactly like a politician. Same goes for strippers, unfortunately.

Dogcatcher the other day, allegedly, euthanized a cat in his vehicle after assuring the person that called that they were bringing the cat to the "rescue" center. On the radio the other day, the owner of the 3-legged cat said she has been that way since birth, and had wandered off during fireworks day.

Lawyers? see Zman trial.

Teachers? See any newspaper, any week.

Doctors? See VA.


Damn. I feel so farking sad for you. How awful it must be to always assume the worst about everyone you meet.
 
2013-07-14 07:04:48 PM

BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: The waitress doesn't really like you. She is pretending since here livelihood depends on it. Almost exactly like a politician. Same goes for strippers, unfortunately.

Dogcatcher the other day, allegedly, euthanized a cat in his vehicle after assuring the person that called that they were bringing the cat to the "rescue" center. On the radio the other day, the owner of the 3-legged cat said she has been that way since birth, and had wandered off during fireworks day.

Lawyers? see Zman trial.

Teachers? See any newspaper, any week.

Doctors? See VA.

Damn. I feel so farking sad for you. How awful it must be to always assume the worst about everyone you meet.




People are farks. That's why they need to be watched.
 
2013-07-14 07:12:32 PM

StoPPeRmobile: BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: The waitress doesn't really like you. She is pretending since here livelihood depends on it. Almost exactly like a politician. Same goes for strippers, unfortunately.

Dogcatcher the other day, allegedly, euthanized a cat in his vehicle after assuring the person that called that they were bringing the cat to the "rescue" center. On the radio the other day, the owner of the 3-legged cat said she has been that way since birth, and had wandered off during fireworks day.

Lawyers? see Zman trial.

Teachers? See any newspaper, any week.

Doctors? See VA.

Damn. I feel so farking sad for you. How awful it must be to always assume the worst about everyone you meet.

People are farks. That's why they need to be watched.


Like I said, you sound like a very sad, pathetic person. People - all people - are certainly capable of being dishonest, mean, stupid, and so forth, but in my half century on this rock the vast majority of people I've met seem to be able to keep those impulses under control most of the time. In my law career I have had plenty of clients who were shifty bastards, but the majority of them were decent folk who simply made a mistake. Opposing counsel are always infuriating but at the end of the day most of them are actually honest, professional, and competent. In my second job as a tour guide I speak to five or six hundred people a day, and most of them are delightful. My kid's teachers have all been amazing, with only one exception. I like my neighbors. The folks I meet at the grocery store are usually polite. Life is so much more pleasant for me than your life sounds.
 
2013-07-14 07:47:53 PM

MyRandomName: ghare: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Daily Kos is still a thing?

FOX news is still a thing? Newsmax is still a thing?


/At least KOS is factually accurate, as opposed to just making shiat up.

LOL,  Holy shiat that is funny.


Wait.  Someone actually said that?  For serious?

For fark's sake!  Kos is the liberal version of Fox News.  They would never ruin a perfectly good story with something as inconvenient as facts.
 
2013-07-14 07:50:15 PM

Rhino_man: mark12A: OK, I keep hearing about this "Benghazi" guy.  Who is he?  Secretary of the Interior or something?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That gets me EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!!! It's just so farking funny how Obama just left Americans to die at the hands of the Islamist horde and didn't lift a finger to even try to save them. Cracks me up EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

As for the KOS article, the author never really formed a case for his viewpoint. Just stated outright what he *thought* was right. Well, he's wrong. Next?

[gkrouse.files.wordpress.com image 850x452]


Because all of those were "bang" it's over.  There was nothing anyone could do.  Unlike Benghazi where it was a sustained attack that went throughout the night.
 
2013-07-14 08:04:09 PM

BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: The waitress doesn't really like you. She is pretending since here livelihood depends on it. Almost exactly like a politician. Same goes for strippers, unfortunately.

Dogcatcher the other day, allegedly, euthanized a cat in his vehicle after assuring the person that called that they were bringing the cat to the "rescue" center. On the radio the other day, the owner of the 3-legged cat said she has been that way since birth, and had wandered off during fireworks day.

Lawyers? see Zman trial.

Teachers? See any newspaper, any week.

Doctors? See VA.

Damn. I feel so farking sad for you. How awful it must be to always assume the worst about everyone you meet.

People are farks. That's why they need to be watched.

Like I said, you sound like a very sad, pathetic person. People - all people - are certainly capable of being dishonest, mean, stupid, and so forth, but in my half century on this rock the vast majority of people I've met seem to be able to keep those impulses under control most of the time. In my law career I have had plenty of clients who were shifty bastards, but the majority of them were decent folk who simply made a mistake. Opposing counsel are always infuriating but at the end of the day most of them are actually honest, professional, and competent. In my second job as a tour guide I speak to five or six hundred people a day, and most of them are delightful. My kid's teachers have all been amazing, with only one exception. I like my neighbors. The folks I meet at the grocery store are usually polite. Life is so much more pleasant for me than your life sounds.




Sounds like you don't want our children to be safe. If we can save just one child it's all worth it.
 
2013-07-14 08:04:12 PM
I think the article was saying we should thank the government for spying on us and then we should turn in our guns.
 
2013-07-14 08:08:55 PM

StoPPeRmobile: BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: The waitress doesn't really like you. She is pretending since here livelihood depends on it. Almost exactly like a politician. Same goes for strippers, unfortunately.

Dogcatcher the other day, allegedly, euthanized a cat in his vehicle after assuring the person that called that they were bringing the cat to the "rescue" center. On the radio the other day, the owner of the 3-legged cat said she has been that way since birth, and had wandered off during fireworks day.

Lawyers? see Zman trial.

Teachers? See any newspaper, any week.

Doctors? See VA.

Damn. I feel so farking sad for you. How awful it must be to always assume the worst about everyone you meet.

People are farks. That's why they need to be watched.

Like I said, you sound like a very sad, pathetic person. People - all people - are certainly capable of being dishonest, mean, stupid, and so forth, but in my half century on this rock the vast majority of people I've met seem to be able to keep those impulses under control most of the time. In my law career I have had plenty of clients who were shifty bastards, but the majority of them were decent folk who simply made a mistake. Opposing counsel are always infuriating but at the end of the day most of them are actually honest, professional, and competent. In my second job as a tour guide I speak to five or six hundred people a day, and most of them are delightful. My kid's teachers have all been amazing, with only one exception. I like my neighbors. The folks I meet at the grocery store are usually polite. Life is so much more pleasant for me than your life sounds.

Sounds like you don't want our children to be safe. If we can save just one child it's all worth it.


Again, whatever. Like I said, some small number of people are exceptions to the rule and are simply jerks. I see now that you're one of them.
 
2013-07-14 08:38:52 PM

BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: The waitress doesn't really like you. She is pretending since here livelihood depends on it. Almost exactly like a politician. Same goes for strippers, unfortunately.

Dogcatcher the other day, allegedly, euthanized a cat in his vehicle after assuring the person that called that they were bringing the cat to the "rescue" center. On the radio the other day, the owner of the 3-legged cat said she has been that way since birth, and had wandered off during fireworks day.

Lawyers? see Zman trial.

Teachers? See any newspaper, any week.

Doctors? See VA.

Damn. I feel so farking sad for you. How awful it must be to always assume the worst about everyone you meet.

People are farks. That's why they need to be watched.

Like I said, you sound like a very sad, pathetic person. People - all people - are certainly capable of being dishonest, mean, stupid, and so forth, but in my half century on this rock the vast majority of people I've met seem to be able to keep those impulses under control most of the time. In my law career I have had plenty of clients who were shifty bastards, but the majority of them were decent folk who simply made a mistake. Opposing counsel are always infuriating but at the end of the day most of them are actually honest, professional, and competent. In my second job as a tour guide I speak to five or six hundred people a day, and most of them are delightful. My kid's teachers have all been amazing, with only one exception. I like my neighbors. The folks I meet at the grocery store are usually polite. Life is so much more pleasant for me than your life sounds.

Sounds like you don't want our children to be safe. If we can save just one child it's all worth it.

Again, whatever. Like I said, some small number of people are exceptions to the rule and are simply jerks. I see now that you're one of them.




I can tell it's "whatever," by the repeated postings.

As if.
 
2013-07-14 08:47:32 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Sounds like you don't want our children to be safe. If we can save just one child it's all worth it.


Bullshiat.
 
2013-07-14 08:56:49 PM

whidbey: StoPPeRmobile: Sounds like you don't want our children to be safe. If we can save just one child it's all worth it.

Bullshiat.




You made me think of Carlin.

Good call, sir.
 
2013-07-14 08:57:19 PM
Where were you when they were doing this 10...20..30...40...50 years ago. I used to be mad about it, now I am too old to give a sh*t if they hear about my TV shows
 
2013-07-14 08:59:24 PM
Now I read all you people's comments and now I realize you all people need Jesus
 
2013-07-14 08:59:59 PM

ginandbacon: Did  Subbyand I read the same article?


Hello GAB!
 
2013-07-14 09:09:33 PM

too-old: Now I read all you people's comments and now I realize you all people need Jesus




NSA guy, please don't narc on me to the HOA.
 
2013-07-14 09:23:53 PM

BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: The waitress doesn't really like you. She is pretending since here livelihood depends on it. Almost exactly like a politician. Same goes for strippers, unfortunately.

Dogcatcher the other day, allegedly, euthanized a cat in his vehicle after assuring the person that called that they were bringing the cat to the "rescue" center. On the radio the other day, the owner of the 3-legged cat said she has been that way since birth, and had wandered off during fireworks day.

Lawyers? see Zman trial.

Teachers? See any newspaper, any week.

Doctors? See VA.

Damn. I feel so farking sad for you. How awful it must be to always assume the worst about everyone you meet.

People are farks. That's why they need to be watched.

Like I said, you sound like a very sad, pathetic person. People - all people - are certainly capable of being dishonest, mean, stupid, and so forth, but in my half century on this rock the vast majority of people I've met seem to be able to keep those impulses under control most of the time. In my law career I have had plenty of clients who were shifty bastards, but the majority of them were decent folk who simply made a mistake. Opposing counsel are always infuriating but at the end of the day most of them are actually honest, professional, and competent. In my second job as a tour guide I speak to five or six hundred people a day, and most of them are delightful. My kid's teachers have all been amazing, with only one exception. I like my neighbors. The folks I meet at the grocery store are usually polite. Life is so much more pleasant for me than your life sounds.

Sounds like you don't want our children to be safe. If we can save just one child it's all worth it.

Again, whatever. Like I said, some small number of people are exceptions to the rule and are simply jerks. I see now that you're one of them.


He's just a troll who likes to argue. If the thread was about how water is wet, ol' Stopper would be in here explaining how it was really dry just to keep the peristalsis moving down.
 
2013-07-14 09:37:31 PM

Gyrfalcon: BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: BMulligan: StoPPeRmobile: The waitress doesn't really like you. She is pretending since here livelihood depends on it. Almost exactly like a politician. Same goes for strippers, unfortunately.

Dogcatcher the other day, allegedly, euthanized a cat in his vehicle after assuring the person that called that they were bringing the cat to the "rescue" center. On the radio the other day, the owner of the 3-legged cat said she has been that way since birth, and had wandered off during fireworks day.

Lawyers? see Zman trial.

Teachers? See any newspaper, any week.

Doctors? See VA.

Damn. I feel so farking sad for you. How awful it must be to always assume the worst about everyone you meet.

People are farks. That's why they need to be watched.

Like I said, you sound like a very sad, pathetic person. People - all people - are certainly capable of being dishonest, mean, stupid, and so forth, but in my half century on this rock the vast majority of people I've met seem to be able to keep those impulses under control most of the time. In my law career I have had plenty of clients who were shifty bastards, but the majority of them were decent folk who simply made a mistake. Opposing counsel are always infuriating but at the end of the day most of them are actually honest, professional, and competent. In my second job as a tour guide I speak to five or six hundred people a day, and most of them are delightful. My kid's teachers have all been amazing, with only one exception. I like my neighbors. The folks I meet at the grocery store are usually polite. Life is so much more pleasant for me than your life sounds.

Sounds like you don't want our children to be safe. If we can save just one child it's all worth it.

Again, whatever. Like I said, some small number of people are exceptions to the rule and are simply jerks. I see now that you're one of them.

He's just a troll who likes to argue. If the thread was about how water is ...


lol
 
2013-07-14 09:41:28 PM
Pretty sure TFA is arguing that it  isn't OK, and the blog post is an attempt to work through her cognitive dissonance when she realized that this was actually consistent with the logic that the second amendment is a defense against tyranny.

I mean, the post is  stupid and her logic boils down to appeal to authority + poor reading comprehension + cherry-picking quotes, but she's not actually saying what subby seems to think she's saying.
 
2013-07-14 09:48:13 PM

ginandbacon: Did  Subbyand I read the same article?


Subby clearly DNRTFA -> automatic green light.
 
2013-07-14 11:24:23 PM

StoPPeRmobile: reven: OrangeSnapper: The 30K / year for a decade gun deaths number is correct.  This includes about 11K homicides, and 19K suicides annually.  Car crashes are higher, but only marginally, at 34K per year in the US.

The most important distinction for me: Nearly all car deaths are accidental. Nearly all gun deaths are intentional.

Lol.

One we get cameras inside the cars, for our safety, the truth will come out.


Yes, I'm sure people will put themselves in mortal danger just to try and kill their passenger.  If they really wanted to kill them, they'd use a weapon with far less danger to themselves, like...say...a knife.
 
2013-07-15 01:17:10 AM

StoPPeRmobile: whidbey: StoPPeRmobile: Sounds like you don't want our children to be safe. If we can save just one child it's all worth it.

Bullshiat.

You made me think of Carlin.

Good call, sir.


So you are still going to keep talking this shiat, or admit you got a little bit too Nazi in this thread?
 
2013-07-15 06:14:34 AM

whidbey: StoPPeRmobile: whidbey: StoPPeRmobile: Sounds like you don't want our children to be safe. If we can save just one child it's all worth it. Bullshiat. You made me think of Carlin. Good call, sir. So you are still going to keep talking this shiat, or admit you got a little bit too Nazi in this thread?


Oh look, another one that hates children. Why do you want children to die?

Do you risk the lives of children, in a multi-ton, shiny, contraption of death, for a pack of smokes or a sixpack?
 
2013-07-15 09:20:33 AM
The thing about governments is that people have successors. People like Bush and Obama have both been elected before, and will be elected again, and I don't know many people who would trust both Bush and Obama with powers like these (one of them, sometimes, but never both, save for a few who I call cowards). To trust a given administration with power is to trust every administration after it with that power, sight unseen, and that is very, very seldom a sane thing to do.

But then, I consider the "living Constitution" hypothesis to be, from a philosophical standpoint, worse than worthless. So what do I know? I'm just one of those unenlightened rubes that need to be saved from their academically-unfashionable selves.
 
2013-07-15 09:22:46 AM

too-old: ginandbacon: Did  Subbyand I read the same article?

Hello GAB!


Hello TO!
 
2013-07-15 09:47:52 AM

born_yesterday: LarryDan43: Projection. Because the average Republican had no problem with what Bush was doing regarding spying, they now don't think the average Democrat has a problem with what Obama is doing.

This.  I haven't heard a single person say that this spying is acceptable regardless of the administration.

I can't hear the voices in Subby's head, so they don't count.


Its not what Democrats are saying about domestic spying that is noteworthy. Its what they're not saying.
 
2013-07-15 11:36:52 AM
No.
 
2013-07-15 11:41:25 AM

Gyrfalcon: LarryDan43: Projection. Because the average Republican had no problem with what Bush was doing regarding spying, they now don't think the average Democrat has a problem with what Obama is doing.

Because the average smart person understands this has been going on since the history of forever, the average dumb person assumes this means they approve of it and want it to continue unchecked.


You start making sense again on this issue when the "S" word is removed from the equation. Harumph.
 
2013-07-15 12:30:32 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Oh look, another one that hates children.


*plonk*

Bye, troll
 
2013-07-15 07:24:45 PM

BMulligan: I'm curious - have you ever met with your congressman or either of your senators personally?


Yes.  It was depressing to think that basically nothing he can do will lose him his seat.

Have you ever spoken with any of them about your concerns? My guess is that you haven't, which is a shame - I've always found the elected officials I've met to be smart, hard-working, and genuinely concerned about the issues that are important to their constituents.

Sounds like your bullshiat detector is broken.
 
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