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2013-07-14 08:01:18 AM
A 40 BMI works out to 248 pounds on a 5' 6" frame or 295 pounds on a 6' 0" frame.

That's pretty big for 12 to 20 year olds.
 
2013-07-14 08:57:36 AM
Sexually active teens would be a problem

/didn't rtfa
 
2013-07-14 08:58:56 AM
Eating brownies is was got me thrown out of Scouts. /asked to take a seat over there./oblig.
 
2013-07-14 08:59:50 AM
I there are that many 12 year old kid that are morbidly obese, the parents should go to jail.
 
2013-07-14 09:01:30 AM
If your BMI is 40+, you need serious medical supervision. At 32-39, your doctor should at least sign off that you're healthy enough for that level of activity. This rule has been in place for adults for a while, not sure if it's new for Scouts (although all Scouts have to have a doctor signed medical form for any of the high adventure activities).

My BMI used to be 36.7.

24.5 today. At age 52, I weigh the same as I did in high school. Unfortunately, my hair's not coming back.
 
2013-07-14 09:01:48 AM
Webelos wobble, but they don't fall down.
 
2013-07-14 09:02:54 AM
The theme is health and fitness . . . so they're turning away the scouts that need it most. It makes sense from a liability standpoint, but they probably could have been more accommodating and actually helped these kids out.
 
2013-07-14 09:07:18 AM
Go be fat somewhere else.


/Was in the Scouts
//Was generally lots of fun and I did learn useful skills
 
2013-07-14 09:07:19 AM
In my day eating Brownies was what turned us from Cub Scouts to Boy Scouts.


/why is Chris Hansen in my kitchen?
 
2013-07-14 09:09:56 AM
www.cnyscouts.org
 
2013-07-14 09:10:05 AM

abhorrent1: the parents should go to jail.


I agree, but I suspect it would be better for the children if we could just stop pretending that "parents know best" in every situation, and just require certain types of training for all children, even if their biological parents are incapable or unwilling to provide it. Putting parents in jail would at least acknowledge some of the responsibility, but it's still gonna leave us with with fat 12-year-olds.
 
2013-07-14 09:14:39 AM
Having a scout fetch me a brownie would be delightfully hedonistic.
 
2013-07-14 09:14:57 AM
Wow. The Mormon-led BSA just _have_ to discriminate against someone, don't they?
 
2013-07-14 09:16:08 AM
Join Boy Scouts*

* Gays, atheists and overweight need not apply. Stay tuned for more restrictions coming soon!
 
2013-07-14 09:19:59 AM
How does a Cub Scout become a Boy Scout...?
 
2013-07-14 09:20:00 AM

profplump: Putting parents in jail would at least acknowledge some of the responsibility, but it's still gonna leave us with with fat 12-year-olds.


Not if you put them in the care of someone responsible. 12 year olds don't have jobs, money, can't drive or do the grocery shopping. The parents are 100% responsible for everything their kids shove in their pie-hole.
 
2013-07-14 09:21:10 AM
He alone who holds the youth gains the future.
 
2013-07-14 09:22:07 AM

TFerWannaBe: The theme is health and fitness . . . so they're turning away the scouts that need it most. It makes sense from a liability standpoint, but they probably could have been more accommodating and actually helped these kids out.


The scouts being turned away have serious medical issues if they're at 40+ BMI.  That's something they wouldn't have the medical staff or response time available to handle in this rural place.
 
2013-07-14 09:23:52 AM

TFerWannaBe: The theme is health and fitness . . . so they're turning away the scouts that need it most. It makes sense from a liability standpoint, but they probably could have been more accommodating and actually helped these kids out.


Yours and other's comments that are against this "discrimination" may have got it wrong. I don't think the BMI filter was related to scouting. Just related to the jamboree and this facility.
 
2013-07-14 09:25:34 AM

Girion47: TFerWannaBe: The theme is health and fitness . . . so they're turning away the scouts that need it most. It makes sense from a liability standpoint, but they probably could have been more accommodating and actually helped these kids out.

The scouts being turned away have serious medical issues if they're at 40+ BMI.  That's something they wouldn't have the medical staff or response time available to handle in this rural place.


They also don't have those tiny scout shorts in a 48 waist.
 
2013-07-14 09:28:47 AM
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2013-07-14 09:33:47 AM
In that being "physically strong" is in the scout oath, I don't have a problem with this. I actually applaud it.
 
2013-07-14 09:35:46 AM

Picked her up at a picnic at a Girl Scout Jamboree

Golly did those Girl Scouts gape at Gorilla Girl and me

 
2013-07-14 09:36:14 AM

Kettle Corn Mike: [img.gawkerassets.com image 640x373]


Hey do to lobbying pizza is a vegetable. My government told me so.
 
2013-07-14 09:37:09 AM

sdd2000: Kettle Corn Mike: [img.gawkerassets.com image 640x373]

Hey do due to lobbying pizza is a vegetable. My government told me so.


damn auto correct
 
2013-07-14 09:42:55 AM
 
2013-07-14 09:43:04 AM
It strikes me as odd that "Cardio" now ranks above "Character" & "Citizenship".
 
2013-07-14 09:44:29 AM
By excluding overweight scouts they are excluding those would arguably get the most benefit out of a 10 day camp that is set up to require a lot of walking.
 
2013-07-14 09:45:39 AM

KawaiiNot: Join Boy Scouts*

* Gays, atheists and overweight need not apply. Stay tuned for more restrictions coming soon!


Hey, they are allowing in openly gay scouts now.  Not openly gay leaders, but I figure give it long enough for the openly gay boys to get their Eagle and ask to be leaders, and that will change too.

Lots of the outdoor activities the Scouts do are somewhat rigorous.  I have never been to a Jamboree, so I can't say how important health/fitness is there, but bringing a 300 lb 14 year old hiking is asking for trouble.  Kicking them out probably isn't the right move, but it is a problem that needs to be dealt with.

As for atheists, yea, that's an issue.  I was never asked for my religion in my troop, or at my Eagle Board of Review, but I did paint a room at my church so they could have assumed my faith.  Depends on the troop/council whether the rule is enforced, but you are right that it is a bad rule.
 
2013-07-14 09:46:33 AM
"This is the exact opposite of 'no skateboards or roller blades allowed,'" Hartley said.

Why use 5 words when you can use 10?
 
2013-07-14 09:48:32 AM

Warthog: Eating brownies is was got me thrown out of Scouts. /asked to take a seat over there./oblig.


---- At least it wasn't another scout and whatever you do as a minor gets sealed or excused.
 
2013-07-14 09:49:34 AM

Needless2say: It strikes me as odd that "Cardio" now ranks above "Character" & "Citizenship".


Why? They are letting teh gheys in now.
 
2013-07-14 09:50:01 AM
If ya wanna get fat, you could do worse than Trader Joe's Cheddar and Horseradish Potato Chips.
 
2013-07-14 09:51:07 AM
H guys, what's going on in this thread?

www.hauntersdepot.com
 
2013-07-14 09:51:17 AM

DubtodaIll: In that being "physically strong" is in the scout oath, I don't have a problem with this. I actually applaud it.

this
 
2013-07-14 09:51:59 AM

sdd2000: Kettle Corn Mike: [img.gawkerassets.com image 640x373]

Hey do to lobbying pizza is a vegetable. My government told me so.


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2013-07-14 09:57:28 AM
I was never over that BMI in scouts, but I sure as hell was fat enough that I simply would have not wanted to participate in the activity they are speaking of.

/ im pretty sure the only people biatching will be the fat scout's parents.
 
2013-07-14 09:57:48 AM

vudukungfu: DubtodaIll: In that being "physically strong" is in the scout oath, I don't have a problem with this. I actually applaud it.
this


Again .....This.


They can get fit all kinds of places. But the Jamboree is not the place.
 
2013-07-14 10:00:12 AM

I sound fat: I was never over that BMI in scouts, but I sure as hell was fat enough that I simply would have not wanted to participate in the activity they are speaking of.

/ im pretty sure the only people biatching will be the fat scout's parents.


I was thinking the same thing. If the kid is so fat that he has a  BMI of 40 he probably would be shedding buttery tears of joy to be skipping this trip with a valid excuse.
 
2013-07-14 10:04:45 AM

JeffreyScott: By excluding overweight scouts they are excluding those would arguably get the most benefit out of a 10 day camp that is set up to require a lot of walking.


You don't run a marathon for your first race.

These kids need long term exercise, a short term boost in it is only going to be unhealthy, dangerous, and miserable for the kids, both physically and psychologically.
 
2013-07-14 10:10:58 AM
Eh, nothing new really.  They are just putting in High Adventure (Philmont or Northern Tier) fitness requirements.  It won't be a struggle for most older scouts.
 
2013-07-14 10:11:47 AM

DubtodaIll: In that being "physically strong" is in the scout oath, I don't have a problem with this. I actually applaud it.


I think the problem is that society fails them at almost every level, leading to the obesity epidemic, and then to exclude them from a fun event for what is a structural problem, not an individual one, seems unnecessarily punitive.
 
2013-07-14 10:16:59 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: DubtodaIll: In that being "physically strong" is in the scout oath, I don't have a problem with this. I actually applaud it.

I think the problem is that society fails them at almost every level, leading to the obesity epidemic, and then to exclude them from a fun event for what is a structural problem, not an individual one, seems unnecessarily punitive.


It's not society's fault that you're fat.  It's your fault that you're fat.
 
2013-07-14 10:22:59 AM
So a fat and gay scout would be a Cub Scout?
 
2013-07-14 10:26:40 AM

MooseUpNorth: Wow. The Mormon-led BSA just _have_ to discriminate against someone, don't they?


You know who else had youth organization was picky about it's members?
 
2013-07-14 10:33:31 AM

Mr. Shabooboo: MooseUpNorth: Wow. The Mormon-led BSA just _have_ to discriminate against someone, don't they?

You know who else had youth organization was picky about it's members?


Disney?
 
2013-07-14 10:34:13 AM
I hate the word "jamboree".
 
2013-07-14 10:35:36 AM
Fark has assured me that a 40+ BMI is a sign of heavy musculature
 
2013-07-14 10:36:12 AM
The real idea is to make the gay Scouts work for their filthy nighttime pleasures.
 
2013-07-14 10:36:45 AM
Glad to see it only took two posts for this to go in the gutter.  Well done, folks!  :D
 
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