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(Vice)   Who you trying to get crazy with, ese? Don't you know I'm loco?   (motherboard.vice.com) divider line 67
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2013-07-14 02:24:18 AM
I have this argument all the time. A murderer is always insane. It's only insane for a person to kill another. There's no way it's sane. That's why I feel sorry for the murderer 38% as much as I feel for their victims.
 
2013-07-14 02:57:16 AM
Insane in the membrane
 
2013-07-14 04:07:03 AM
Is it really paranoia when folks are trying to kill/arrest you?
 
2013-07-14 04:13:50 AM
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2013-07-14 04:14:34 AM

jaylectricity: I have this argument all the time. A murderer is always insane. It's only insane for a person to kill another. There's no way it's sane. That's why I feel sorry for the murderer 38% as much as I feel for their victims.


How about when the person has half his/her arms/legs blown off and the rest of him/her is pretty badly burnt and s/he asks you to do the deed?
 
2013-07-14 04:15:59 AM
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2013-07-14 04:16:40 AM

StrikeTk: James vega and/or John Shepard unavailable for comment


Is overjoyed at the news:
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2013-07-14 04:22:42 AM
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2013-07-14 04:24:17 AM
This is my completely lack of surprise at these findings.

 It's almost as if the environment of gangs and gang related activities is unhealthy.

 Now of course causation != correlation and there's probably some give and take in the middle. But it will be interesting to see if they do more studies on this. They definitely need to. Gangs are getting to be quite a problem in 1st world countries.
 
2013-07-14 04:24:38 AM
www.cilliansite.comThe work offered by organized crime must have an attraction to the insane.
 
2013-07-14 04:25:50 AM
I would imagine there is a difference in demographics between the English gangs interviewed for this study, and American gangs.
 
2013-07-14 04:26:49 AM

HotWingAgenda: I would imagine there is a difference in demographics between the English gangs interviewed for this study, and American gangs.


 The findings are similar, regardless of demographics.

/that's all I can tell you.
 
2013-07-14 04:31:38 AM
Each of us can choose whether to act like a human or act like an animal.  The more we act in each direction, the more it becomes natural to act like an animal or to act like a human.   If you live in an animal state, you are clinically insane.
 
2013-07-14 04:38:15 AM

rev. dave: Each of us can choose whether to act like a human or act like an animal.  The more we act in each direction, the more it becomes natural to act like an animal or to act like a human.   If you live in an animal state, you are clinically insane.


What about furries?
 
2013-07-14 04:38:26 AM
Christ! that was the weakest article I've ever read... Who funds this crap? 108 out of 4664... are you serious? I guess the hard part was finding the 108! I bet you'd get the same stats out of 4664 Soccer Moms! hahahaa
 
2013-07-14 04:38:27 AM

HotWingAgenda: I would imagine there is a difference in demographics between the English gangs interviewed for this study, and American gangs.


U wot m8?
 
2013-07-14 04:41:42 AM

Smoking GNU: jaylectricity: I have this argument all the time. A murderer is always insane. It's only insane for a person to kill another. There's no way it's sane. That's why I feel sorry for the murderer 38% as much as I feel for their victims.

How about when the person has half his/her arms/legs blown off and the rest of him/her is pretty badly burnt and s/he asks you to do the deed?


That's not murder, its Euthanasia.
 
2013-07-14 04:42:02 AM
Why is this in the "geek" tab?
 
2013-07-14 04:44:09 AM

rev. dave: Each of us can choose whether to act like an human angel or act like an animal.  The more we act in each direction, the more it becomes natural to act like an animal or to act like an human angel.   If you live in an animal state, you are clinically insane.


FTFY

Tis the lot of a 'human' to make those decisions.
 
2013-07-14 04:52:36 AM
Okay, seriously, what drunk is managing the Geek tab? We've got a story about a fat baby, mental health in gangbangers, the use of snails in beauty regimes, and a followup on a plane accident.

Is the rule now that - "Any time a number is in TFA that is not a sports score, it goes in the Geek Tab!"?

/ rant off
 
2013-07-14 05:02:47 AM
FTA: 85.8 percent had an antisocial personality disorder

Not a desirable trait in a gang member.
 
2013-07-14 05:11:18 AM
 
2013-07-14 05:21:43 AM
 
2013-07-14 05:43:49 AM
85.8 percent had an antisocial personality disorder

Contraindicated by their membership in a society. Just because it's not the main society doesn't make it not a society.

The rest falls out from feeling dissociated and persecuted for being outside the norm.
 
2013-07-14 05:52:16 AM
85.8 percent had an antisocial personality disorder;
Two-thirds were alcohol dependent;
25.1 percent screened positive for psychosis;
More than half (57.4 percent) were drug dependent;
Around a third (34.2 percent) had attempted suicide; and
More than half (58.9 percent) had an anxiety disorder.


But enough about the police, folks.
 
2013-07-14 05:55:42 AM
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2013-07-14 06:20:34 AM

Smoking GNU: jaylectricity: I have this argument all the time. A murderer is always insane. It's only insane for a person to kill another. There's no way it's sane. That's why I feel sorry for the murderer 38% as much as I feel for their victims.

How about when the person has half his/her arms/legs blown off and the rest of him/her is pretty badly burnt and s/he asks you to do the deed?


Just give them fudge.
 
2013-07-14 06:29:33 AM
You would be too if cops were always trying to snatch your crops.
 
2013-07-14 06:31:18 AM

Nick Nostril: You would be too if cops were always trying to snatch your crops.


Punks just jealous that they can't out-write me.
 
2013-07-14 06:36:21 AM

Lith: rev. dave: Each of us can choose whether to act like a human or act like an animal.  The more we act in each direction, the more it becomes natural to act like an animal or to act like a human.   If you live in an animal state, you are clinically insane.

What about furries?


Why is there any question about that?  Add creepy to crazy.
 
2013-07-14 07:19:10 AM
Great... Now I want to listen to Cypress Hill and watch Zoolander - thanks Subby!
 
2013-07-14 07:20:10 AM
I wouldn't be surprised f this were true, but depending on the definition of "mental illness", most humans have something going on.  Anxiety, depression, obsessive thoughts, there are a lot of "mild" mental disorders that leave you mostly functional but not very contented in life.

As well, gang members have often grown up in fractured families, with financial desperation, abuse, witnessing murders or the aftermath near their homes, etc.  They grow up in poor neighborhoods where there's no chance to honestly rise above poverty.  Some grow up in what is essentially a war zone, complete with PTSD by the time they're adolescents.

In other words they are already growing up with a completely different set of rules than fuzzy middle-class America:  Strength is survival.  Defend your honor.  Take before you are taken from.  Couple those with deep-seated anger issues and drug use and ta-da!  Insane behaviour.
 
2013-07-14 07:20:17 AM
I bet Rockstar is to blame.
 
2013-07-14 07:58:08 AM

Smoking GNU: jaylectricity: I have this argument all the time. A murderer is always insane. It's only insane for a person to kill another. There's no way it's sane. That's why I feel sorry for the murderer 38% as much as I feel for their victims.

How about when the person has half his/her arms/legs blown off and the rest of him/her is pretty badly burnt and s/he asks you to do the deed?


that condition and many more show the collective insanity of society as a whole. mercy killings would often be a kind and right thing to do for/to those who suffer. but no, those who could bring themselves to help would be charged by the law. good sense and sanity do not rule the world.
 
2013-07-14 08:02:32 AM
Must be because they're all whacked on the Scooby Snacks.
 
2013-07-14 08:05:57 AM
I'd like to see the data compared to mental illness in the U.S. military.
 
2013-07-14 08:10:27 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Why is this in the "geek" tab?


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2013-07-14 09:30:07 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I'd like to see the data compared to mental illness in the U.S. military.


Look, but don't make your eyes strain.
 
2013-07-14 09:43:59 AM
What if I told you insane was working fifty hours a week in some office for fifty years at the end of which they tell you to piss off; ending up in some retirement village hoping to die before suffering the indignity of trying to make it to the toilet on time? Wouldn't you consider that to be insane?
 
2013-07-14 09:53:38 AM
Give me access to personal history and a DSM and I will diagnose a mental illness for anyone.
 
2013-07-14 09:59:34 AM

born_yesterday: What if I told you insane was working fifty hours a week in some office for fifty years at the end of which they tell you to piss off; ending up in some retirement village hoping to die before suffering the indignity of trying to make it to the toilet on time? Wouldn't you consider that to be insane?


The majority is always sane.
 
2013-07-14 10:02:24 AM

born_yesterday: What if I told you insane was working fifty hours a week in some office for fifty years at the end of which they tell you to piss off; ending up in some retirement village hoping to die before suffering the indignity of trying to make it to the toilet on time? Wouldn't you consider that to be insane?


Haha, that's funny, thinking that you won't find yourself unemployable after only thirty years in the workforce.
 
2013-07-14 10:05:36 AM
Summary executions for everyone!
 
2013-07-14 10:06:35 AM

cuzsis: Gangs are getting to be quite a problem in 1st world countries.


Which ones? Not the US- gang violence peaked back in the 90s. Russia, I suppose, but in Russia it's more of a side effect of a failed state- the government fails to fill such a large portion of its duties that illegal organizations are filling in the gap. Regardless, it would have been much worse in the 90s. France has a problem with disenfranchised minorities, but they're not really organizing into gangs.

Arthen: Give me access to personal history and a DSM and I will diagnose a mental illness for anyone.


No you wouldn't, and the specific reason is that the DSM is meant to identify the nature of the disorder  that has an obvious impact on quality of life. So while  everyone falls under the various diagnostic criteria for one or more DSM conditions, only people who are failing to thrive actually meet the primary one.

Regarding TFA: Steven Pinker ran the numbers, and your average street-level gangbanger gets less money from the gang than they'd make working at McDonald's, and suffers a much higher risk of getting shot to death. But the gang creates an illusion of promotion- you could someday be the rich guy at the top of the gang. But the rich guys aren't actually all that rich- they're leasing their cars and jewelry, they're creating an illusion of wealth. The only people getting rich off the gang are waaaaaay up in the stratosphere of the gang organization- the illegal equivalent of CEOs. The labor and the middle management get shiat upon, just like the rest of us.
 
2013-07-14 10:20:39 AM

born_yesterday: What if I told you insane was working fifty hours a week in some office for fifty years at the end of which they tell you to piss off; ending up in some retirement village hoping to die before suffering the indignity of trying to make it to the toilet on time? Wouldn't you consider that to be insane?


Shut up, Steve Buscemi.
 
2013-07-14 10:34:09 AM
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Drop Kick Murphys say it better than me :D
 
2013-07-14 10:48:32 AM
Punks just jealous cause they can't outwrite me
 
2013-07-14 10:52:24 AM
This is kind of obvious.  Look at the general population.  Extract from that those who have some kind of mental disorder, psychosis, anxiety, whatever.  Then control for ethnicity and socioeconomic status - including the neighborhood they grew up in.  MAGIC!
 
2013-07-14 10:54:39 AM
Boy, is this article 100% correct. Gang members 99.999% have serious mental defects

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2013-07-14 11:13:11 AM

Nick Nostril: You would be too if cops were always trying to snatch your crops.


Cashew: I bet Rockstar is to blame.


Nothing better than listening to this while playing GTA: San Andreas.
You know, the mission where the cops literally come for your weed farm.
 
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