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2013-07-13 10:44:03 PM  
22 votes:
My personal opinion:

Before the trial, I did no research, I only heard what the mainstream media reported, including the chopped up 911 call NBC played.

When the trial started, I listened to it every day at work, starting out rooting for the prosecution.

As the case went on, I started to realize that the case had been mischaracterized in the media and that there was in fact Reasonable Doubt. I saw that the prosecution was unable to establish a consistent narrative of what happened, and relied only on attacking Zimmerman's character and evoking emotion for Martin. I am sad that Martin is dead, it should not have happened. Both men made stupid mistakes that night. I don't know Zimmerman well enough to make a call on if he truly had ill-will in his heart. But I am happy a not guilty verdict was reached, because it means that evidence and the process of law have overridden appeals to emotion.
2013-07-13 10:41:43 PM  
22 votes:
The judicial system worked exactly how it's supposed to. There was enough reasonable doubt to acquit, and that was how it should be. The judicial system convicts based on facts and should prove beyond a reasonable doubt, not convict based on public opinion.

/USMC MP
//Yes I have a clue
2013-07-13 10:40:47 PM  
19 votes:
img.fark.net

/needs to happen
//sooner rather than later
2013-07-13 10:40:53 PM  
14 votes:

NOT GUILTY!!

JUST LIKE OJ!!

2013-07-13 10:41:19 PM  
12 votes:
This is about the prosecution being unable to put together a compelling case.

You don't go to jail just for being proven a racist asshole.
2013-07-13 10:42:18 PM  
11 votes:
An unarmed minor was killed while on his walk home.

That is kinda sad.
2013-07-13 10:55:49 PM  
10 votes:

Coco LaFemme: Of course he got off.  All you need to do anymore to get away with murder is say you felt "threatened."  Doesn't matter what color anyone is in this equation.  Two white people, two black people, mixed...doesn't really matter.  As long as you the shooter tell the jury that you were afraid for your life, you could justify killing an infant if it came down to it.

That's how farked up this country is right now.


Did you miss all those things they call "evidence" and "facts?"  Zimm was getting the shiat kicked out of him and his head being banged against the sidewalk.

The investigating officer knew not to arrest.  There were no charges until it got political and then the political types got their a$$es handed to them.  Zimmerman will now sue and win a case for malicious prosecution.  He should never have been charged.
2013-07-13 10:54:54 PM  
8 votes:
You mean facts won out on race driven emotional plea /bias from the media and community leaders. and my favorite DUMBARSE line from idiots... B-B-But what if he was a white kid?? well they would have found him not guilty too... You are entitled to your own opinions just not your own facts.

Finally this complete waste of taxpayers money and our time is over
2013-07-13 10:51:18 PM  
8 votes:
I think it was a clear case of manslaughter due to Zimmerman's negligence. Unfortunately the over reached trying to argue a murder case instead of arguing manslaughter. All they would have had to prove is that George Zimmerman actions caused the unnecessary death of Trayvon Martin and nothing involving motive and such.

Personally I do not think it's right that in Florida you can pretty much provoke someone, shoot them dead if they start kicking your ass, and then get off free claiming self defense.
2013-07-13 10:47:47 PM  
8 votes:
Anyone who celebrates this should be shunned.
Anyone who threatens him should be prosecuted.
Anyone who thinks this means "open season on whatever minority I don't like" should be prosecuted.
Violent rioters should be prosecuted.


Furthermore, everyone should be depressed. A kid is dead, his family is scarred, and a man's life was thrown into chaos and will likely be haunted by this for the rest of his life.

No one wins no matter what happens. My main concern was that people would celebrate this trial's conclusion, despite what a horrible thing that is to celebrate, and I was proven right.
2013-07-13 10:45:19 PM  
8 votes:
He shouldn't have been arrested in the first place.
2013-07-13 10:41:52 PM  
8 votes:
Good to know that some hate-filled racist cannot attempt to murder someone by bashing their head in and have the victim also pay for self-defense through incarceration.

Justice will only be served if Zimmerman can successfully sue the estate of that racist for pain and suffering.
2013-07-13 11:16:49 PM  
7 votes:

CrazyCracka420: I think there's a positive lesson we can all learn from this tragedy:

Make sure you're the only one left standing after you start an altercation.


i.imgur.com

2 out of 3 isn't enough. You gotta finish the job. That's what this verdict says. Like this thread shows, its easy to blame a dead guy for starting a fight---he's not around to testify to the contrary. You could say Trevyon was the local chapter head of NAMBLA and it would be equally as meaningful.
2013-07-13 11:06:23 PM  
7 votes:

ambassador_ahab: I went to the Riot meet-up spot, and nobody was there.

WTF?  I want my free shiat!!!!


I doubt theres gonna be a riot for this.

The right wing wanted a revolution, couldn't start it with guns. The left wing wanted a revolution, couldn't push it with paper. The race baiters won't get one by trying to pretend a Hispanic man was white and wrong for defending himself.

People like Jackson and Sharpton want to lead civil rights movement 2.0. They could start by bein actual leaders rather than ambulance chasing to profit from other people's tragedies.
2013-07-13 10:50:28 PM  
7 votes:
Of course he got off.  All you need to do anymore to get away with murder is say you felt "threatened."  Doesn't matter what color anyone is in this equation.  Two white people, two black people, mixed...doesn't really matter.  As long as you the shooter tell the jury that you were afraid for your life, you could justify killing an infant if it came down to it.

That's how farked up this country is right now.
2013-07-13 10:48:27 PM  
7 votes:
Apparently - a jury stacked with mothers was of the same mindset of Trayvon's own mother - based on the content of Trayvon's text messages. He was needing the discipline of a man. Unfortunately, it didn't come from his father. A sad story, but it likely didn't start with meeting Zimmerman. It only ended that way.
2013-07-13 10:39:26 PM  
7 votes:
www.deedeeworks.com
2013-07-13 11:03:28 PM  
6 votes:

iq_in_binary: Because the asshole who thinks a gun in his pocket makes him a cop that decided you looked suspicious won't go to jail for shooting you after starting a fight with you and losing.


Every Trayvon cheerleader gets this wrong. Trayvon Martin started the fight.
2013-07-13 10:56:16 PM  
6 votes:

UNC_Samurai: This is about the prosecution being unable to put together a compelling case.

You don't go to jail just for being proven a racist asshole.


but the racist was the one that was killed. Oh, wait, you mean Zimmerman. The hispanic guy who took a black girl to his prom and was a sponsor to black youth. Yeah, what a racist.
2013-07-13 10:50:01 PM  
6 votes:
The moral of the story is that if you get into a fight, it's best that you kill your opponent.  That way there can be no one to contradict your version of events.

/All non-retards agree that waffles are the superior breakfast treat.
2013-07-13 10:41:05 PM  
6 votes:
Let's announce this highly controversial verdict of a racially charged incident at 10 PM on a sweltering Saturday night.

What could possibly go wrong?
2013-07-13 10:38:09 PM  
6 votes:
I prefer waffles
2013-07-14 03:21:18 AM  
5 votes:
1) Zimmerman killed Martin.

2) There is not enough verifiable information available for anyone to honestly conclude how justified the shooting was or was not.

3) As such, anyone falling hard on one side or the other of this issue is motivated by something other than just facts.

3) The jury found there was not enough evidence to remove reasonable doubt, and therefore acquitted. They even asked for a clarification of their Manslaughter option - it's not like they just wanted to let the guy off the hook for taking the life of a stranger.

4) This does not equate to Zimmerman being innocent.

5) Anyone upset by this verdict is not being reasonable and/or doesn't understand how our justice system works.

6) Anyone celebrating this verdict is not being reasonable, they're gloating.


7) Protesting or rioting over this verdict accomplishes nothing whatsoever.

8) If you riot, you lack self control and have nothing of value to contribute to society.

9) If you loot or perform random acts of damage that hurt the lives or livelihoods of strangers because you're pissed about something entirely unrelated to those people, you are a worthless human being.

10) If you don't like the society and the laws that brought about this killing, this trial, and/or this verdict, it is your responsibility to act in a manner to that might actually affect change instead of just being a dick about it:

- VOTE.

- Become involved in politics, and actively support candidates and laws that might lead to effective change.

- Become  informed on the issues that concern you, and speak about them. Out-reason anyone who disagrees with you. Prove them wrong.

- Become active in your community, and try to affect change locally as well.

- Fight for or against gun laws. Fight for or against stand-your-ground laws. Etc.

Also, stop being a useless dick puffing up your chest on message boards. You're accomplishing nothing.
2013-07-14 12:36:02 AM  
5 votes:

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2013-07-13 11:53:45 PM  
5 votes:

Mentat: He didn't attack him outright.  He confronted Zimmerman in his car and Zimmerman wouldn't identify himself.  Trayvon then ran away and waited for Zimmerman to follow him, which he did.


That's precisely why the great danger out of this is not more riots, but a lot more George Zimmermans. A lot of people are going to feel emboldened to act out their prejudicial suspicions as if they were facts. And as long as they kill that person, depending on the laws where they live, they won't have to be as concerned that they'll face any real consequences for doing so. Besides inflaming racial perceptions on all sides, it creates more everyday paranoia, weakening the social fabric along more than one dimension.
2013-07-13 11:34:23 PM  
5 votes:
www.fullpunch.com
2013-07-13 11:20:53 PM  
5 votes:
eventhelosers I'm pissed and I'm white.  If a black guy can't walk around without being harassed nobody should be able to.  Until this changes black people will be angry, and I understand.

bears repeating.

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//doesn't seem appropriate
2013-07-13 11:09:06 PM  
5 votes:

Skeptigal: You stupid FLORIDIOTS! Too bad "stand your ground" is only a defense if you're white. A woman who fired warning shots at her husband who was coming at her (she had a protective order against him), was just sentenced to 20 yrs in prison. For attempted manslaughter. In Florida. Guess what color she is?


Guess what? She broke into her SO's house when she had a restraining order against him, confronted him, left his house to get her gun out of her car, returned to continue to argument, and fired a "warning shot" that deflected off the wall and into the ceiling when her children were standing in the same room.

Oh yeah, there was a 911 call where she could be clearly heard saying "I got something for you" and then a shot.

Then she insisted she had a SYG defense when she had a plea deal on the table and rolled the dice on a trial when the charges she was up against had a 20 year mandatory minimum.

Marissa Alexander has no one to blame but herself for going to jail.
2013-07-13 10:56:24 PM  
5 votes:
I'm very unhappy Martin is dead. I honestly believe Zimmerman caused the altercation to happen by his actions. But I accept the jury's decision that Zimmerman didn't murder him nor committed manslaughter.

But I was once a 17-year-old male, walking in my Florida neighborhood at night after going to the local store. Glad no Zimmernam followed me in their car, carrying a gun.
2013-07-13 10:56:02 PM  
5 votes:
Simple question: if you claim self defense, you need scant proof that it was self defense?

Very scary verdict, seems like open season for shooting people for no reason at all. And getting away with it.
2013-07-13 10:48:11 PM  
5 votes:
What do you mean I can't attack and hurt pale-skinned people without possible (in this case lethal) consequences?

Glad to see the guy who was trying to protect his neighborhood walk. it's a pity how emotionally-manipulated some people still are by network television.

If you think Zimmerman was ever a murderer, then you need to kill your TV and read a book.
2013-07-13 10:42:24 PM  
5 votes:
French toast > waffles > pancakes
2013-07-13 10:42:13 PM  
5 votes:
if florida burns to the ground before monday morning...would anyone actually care?
2013-07-13 10:42:09 PM  
5 votes:

D_S_W: Can't we all just get along?


We can, unless one of us is a racist wannabe Dirty Harry that profiles kids going home from the convenience store as criminals and thugs deserving of a death sentence for the incredible offense of Walking While Black After Dark.
2013-07-13 10:41:51 PM  
5 votes:
Just letting you guys know that I spoke with Drew and he gave me permission to lock this thread in advance.  Nothing good can come out of this discussion thread.  The internet is not for anger in discourse.  Please do not attempt to use the "Add Comment" button.  Doing so will redirect you to a video of a cat cleaning itself.  Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
2013-07-13 10:41:06 PM  
5 votes:
It just dawned on me that I need new home furnishings...
2013-07-13 10:39:35 PM  
5 votes:
French toast!
2013-07-14 01:22:03 AM  
4 votes:

Kevin72: You are asking 20/20 hindsight speculation. Somehow there was Zimmerman safe in his car and then somehow he is being walloped and mounted like an animal.


Ok, so lets go through the facts as we know them from when he was in his car, to when he was being "walloped and mounted"


- Zimmerman in his car watching Martin (not illegal)
- Martin walking around the streets (not illegal)
- Zimmerman on phone with 911 (not illegal)
- Zimmerman gets out of car (not illegal) *and also not "ignoring the order of the cops not to" as 911 operator =/= cop
- Zimmerman follows Martin (not illegal)
- Martin goes into a bush to see what Zimmerman does (not illegal)
- Martin gets out of bush when Zimmerman approaches (not illegal)
*ALETERCATION OCCURS*
- Martin is on top of Zimmerman and is assulting him (ILLEGAL)
- Zimmerman shoots Martin while being assulted (not illegal)


Now these are the known, proven facts of the case, either documented by scientific study, or by 3rd party accounts (911 operator, witnesses, etc), and not at all dependant on what GZ says happened. You can take they completely out of the equation, so it eliminates the "GZ is lying" angle.

All of these facts are true. Now, in that list, there is only ONE action that is (A) a proven fact and (B) is against the law, and that is Martin is being on top of Zimmerman and assaulting him. Again, that is the only known fact in the timeline that is an illegal act. And that allows for the next event in the timeline to be considered lawfully justified; Zimmerman shooting Martin.

The *only* point of contention; what this entire case hinges on (and really nothing else), is the underlined item, the actual physical altercation.

It therefore comes down to two options:
- if Martin was the first party to commit the first physical contact, then Zimmerman is not guilty of any criminal acts thereafter
- if Zimmerman was the first party to commit the first physical contact, then Martin is not guilty of any criminal acts thereafter

In determining which option is true, we have to look at what the evidence is given to us. Again, even removing GZs statements, the only evidence we have is this: Zimmerman had injuries that was a restult of a physical altercation, and Martin did not.

And thats it. Thats is all there is. Given just these known facts, and the sole desision that had to be made; based on that, while we can't call Zimmerman "Innocent" we can't call him "Guilty", and that is the outcome we had today in the court.

/The end.
2013-07-14 12:10:05 AM  
4 votes:
Incidentally, no matter your feelings on Zimmerman, you should at least be somewhat happy about the outcome of the trial. Because it *SHOULD* be hard as fark to convict someone for something like murder; if there's enough reasonable doubt (whether it's due to the defendant actually being innocent, a lack of evidence or just a shiatty prosecutor), an acquittal means the system works.
2013-07-14 12:01:53 AM  
4 votes:
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Can't we all just get along?
2013-07-13 11:22:19 PM  
4 votes:
Moral of the story: if you are a little thug who brags about knocking people out in fights, make sure you don't start one with someone who can kill you, because he/she just might.
2013-07-13 11:19:18 PM  
4 votes:

iq_in_binary: Carth: iq_in_binary: Penman: iq_in_binary: Because the asshole who thinks a gun in his pocket makes him a cop that decided you looked suspicious won't go to jail for shooting you after starting a fight with you and losing.

Every Trayvon cheerleader gets this wrong. Trayvon Martin started the fight.

Actively pursuing somebody starts a fight, sorry.

If someone is trying to get the fark away from you and you won't let them? You're instigating a fight.

Following someone isn't illegal. Punching someone for following you is. Martin had no legal obligation to flee from Zimmerman (but he was only 100 yards from home and had 3 minutes to get there) but he did have a legal obligation not to beat Zimmerman for following him

Wrong.

Legal investigator. MY JOB was following people. You NEVER continuously trail somebody from less than 20-30 yards away. Because any closer is considered menacing. Besides that, if you had half a brain, you wouldn't be trailing somebody in a fashion that would alert them to the fact that you're tailing. For exactly the same reason, it can be construed as intimidating or threatening. Menacing, Intimidation, Stalking, there are all kinds of criminal charges that can and will be levied against you for following people around, and plenty of investigators have been tried with them despite the perfectly legitimate reasons they have to be investigating people.

Constantly following somebody around in a manner that they are aware of and at close proximity IS illegal behavior, in many places majorly so.

Like I said, Zimmerman started the fight.


It isn't illegal in FL. Did you actually watch the trial? That was one of the main things they talked about during jury instruction and the state couldn't come up with any FL state law that said you couldn't follow anyone. Stalking, defined in Fl as repeated following, is illegal. Following someone to report their movements to 911 wasn't illegal according to the case.
2013-07-13 11:17:00 PM  
4 votes:

Carth: iq_in_binary: Penman: iq_in_binary: Because the asshole who thinks a gun in his pocket makes him a cop that decided you looked suspicious won't go to jail for shooting you after starting a fight with you and losing.

Every Trayvon cheerleader gets this wrong. Trayvon Martin started the fight.

Actively pursuing somebody starts a fight, sorry.

If someone is trying to get the fark away from you and you won't let them? You're instigating a fight.

Following someone isn't illegal. Punching someone for following you is. Martin had no legal obligation to flee from Zimmerman (but he was only 100 yards from home and had 3 minutes to get there) but he did have a legal obligation not to beat Zimmerman for following him


Wrong.

Legal investigator. MY JOB was following people. You NEVER continuously trail somebody from less than 20-30 yards away. Because any closer is considered menacing. Besides that, if you had half a brain, you wouldn't be trailing somebody in a fashion that would alert them to the fact that you're tailing. For exactly the same reason, it can be construed as intimidating or threatening. Menacing, Intimidation, Stalking, there are all kinds of criminal charges that can and will be levied against you for following people around, and plenty of investigators have been tried with them despite the perfectly legitimate reasons they have to be investigating people.

Constantly following somebody around in a manner that they are aware of and at close proximity IS illegal behavior, in many places majorly so.

Like I said, Zimmerman started the fight.
2013-07-13 11:13:40 PM  
4 votes:
West and O'Mara totally thrashed the media for its part in this shiatfest.

oi43.tinypic.com

In the words of a certain website: You can't simmer the Zimmer or best the West.
2013-07-13 11:13:00 PM  
4 votes:

Weaver95: LegacyDL: Lesson learned: listen to authority and don't be the aggressor.

I think the lesson here is: don't be black.


If Zimmerman was black he wouldn't have been arrested.
2013-07-13 11:12:42 PM  
4 votes:

iq_in_binary: Penman: Pincy: Penman: iq_in_binary: Because the asshole who thinks a gun in his pocket makes him a cop that decided you looked suspicious won't go to jail for shooting you after starting a fight with you and losing.

Every Trayvon cheerleader gets this wrong. Trayvon Martin started the fight.

So we have video of how this whole thing went down?

A 911 call and the injuries to Zimmerman.

Yes, a 911 call where Zimmerman admitted to pursuing Martin. Despite being told not to.

Active pursuit is threatening behavior. That's instigating a fight. Like I said, he was losing a fight he started, and like a little biatch pulled the gun because he was a sore loser.


You can turn around and violently attack someone because they're walking down the same street as you? "Yes Officer, I thought he was pursuing me, I just didn't like the way he looked, so I beat the shiat out of him"
In fact it seems like Trayvon might be the racist one, assuming that the Mexican guy is out to get him.
2013-07-13 11:10:34 PM  
4 votes:
Angela Corey should have to pay Zimmerman's legal fees.

Zealous, over-charging, politically motivated prosecution needs to end.

The scary part is that if she had not overcharged Zimmerman, she could probably have gotten him to plea to a lesser charge just due to the high cost of defending yourself in this country.
2013-07-13 11:07:28 PM  
4 votes:
ALL OF THE EVIDENCE says the guy was just defending himself. A jury agreed quickly.

The race industry got their ass handed to them on this. The rest of us laugh at you.

Now, Zimmerman can look forward to suing the shiat out of NBC. Get the big dollars dude, you deserve it all.
2013-07-13 11:03:49 PM  
4 votes:
George Zimmerman may not know how to start a fight, but he sure knows how to finish one. Fact.
2013-07-13 11:02:23 PM  
4 votes:
fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net
2013-07-13 11:01:31 PM  
4 votes:

RockSteadyUSMC: The judicial system worked exactly how it's supposed to. There was enough reasonable doubt to acquit, and that was how it should be. The judicial system convicts based on facts and should prove beyond a reasonable doubt, not convict based on public opinion.

/USMC MP
//Yes I have a clue


Exactly what I just said to my wife.  He's probably guilty but there is enough doubt.  This is how the judicial system is supposed to work.  Error on the side of letting guilty people go free rather than incarcerating the innocent.
2013-07-13 11:00:42 PM  
4 votes:
The outrage on twitter is laughworthy.

@DanteAtkins Zimmerman disobeyed police, chased down an unarmed teenager, confronted him, and killed him. A court has ruled it legal. Think about that. via web

[morbo]THE JUSTICE SYSTEM DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY[/morbo]
2013-07-13 10:50:55 PM  
4 votes:

Free Radical: My Tea Party friends on FB are in full gloat mode.

It's rather pathetic.


And I have friends changing their profile pic to that of Martin.

Just as pathetic.
2013-07-13 10:50:13 PM  
4 votes:
www.biography.com

Approves of these shenanigans
2013-07-13 10:47:02 PM  
4 votes:
Zimmerman now hired by the Florida police as he has passed his entrance exam of MURDERING a young black kid.
2013-07-13 10:46:57 PM  
4 votes:

i.imgur.com

2013-07-13 10:42:36 PM  
4 votes:
fark Florida. fark it in the ass until it dies. I swear that place can't do anything right.
2013-07-14 07:41:08 AM  
3 votes:

shastacola: Mid_mo_mad_man: Zimmerman was found not guilty. If one followed the court everyday this was an easy verdict to reach. It's clear Martin was not scared of Zimmerman but he was angry. Martin was a thug with a violent past. He was on marijuana and didn't have a clear rational head. Zimmerman had a legal right to follow Martin. He had the right to call 911. No law was broken till Martin jumped George. Once that happened he was in his rights to shot Martin. No tears should be shed for Martin.

Ever notice how many Zimmerman fans feel a need to paint Martin as a thug? What was any more "thuggish" about him than most teenagers? He got suspended from school for graffiti,truancy and pot. Please explain how this makes him a "violent thug".


Well, the actual violence he participated in, referring to your last sentence. But I am really starting to hate the word thug. It's starting to become the "N-word" when you cant say the actual phrase "N-word".  How far down the rabbit hole will these hyphenated code words delve?
2013-07-14 02:24:33 AM  
3 votes:
Good.

There's no evidence whatsoever that this tragedy was little more than a misunderstanding between two men. Zimmerman was doing his civic duty by keeping eyes on someone he thought might be a burglar. It turns out, Martin wasn't a burglar, he was just your average non-criminal millenial. Trayvon likely thought he was being threatened, a reasonable assumption. Unfortunately it seems clear that Trayvon thought that initiating a physically forceful confrontation was a safe idea. This is NEVER a good idea in a country with a 2nd amendment. Be respectful of your fellow citizen and don't initiate force and you'll likely never get shot. Trayvon didn't think, he started a fight with someone who he reasonably though threatened him, and Zimmerman defended himself legally when he feared he would no longer be able to respond.

That's it, anything else is race-baiting nonsense. This is little more than a misunderstanding between too men that went too far. If there were other people nearby who would have had the good sense to intervene, it would have never gotten this far. If Trayvon runs home instead of finding Zimmerman, nothing happens. If Zimmerman watched from his car, nothing happens. No moral crime save the initiation of force occurred in this situation. We will never know who started it, but all testimony and evidence points to Trayvon starting the fight. Regardless, there's nothing racist about this tragedy, it's just what happens when fights go too far. If Zimmerman didn't have a gun on him, it's entirely possible he would end up like Brian Stow.
2013-07-14 01:14:04 AM  
3 votes:
If the kid in the hoodie looked like this:

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...and the shooter looked like this:

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...most of the trigger-happy Republicans out there would have approached this case from a completely different side. Something like "It should be legal for teenagers to carry concealed firearms so they can defend themselves from black men who stalk them and kill them!"
2013-07-14 12:51:04 AM  
3 votes:
In other news, a Florida mom just got 20 years in prison for shooting WARNING SHOTS at her husband who had a history of domestic violence.

Hmm. Let's see what race she is...

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Sorry, African Americans. Stand Your Ground laws just don't apply to you in Florida.
2013-07-14 12:02:58 AM  
3 votes:
And today, all stupid asshole reckless self-appointed vigilantes in America rejoices.
2013-07-13 11:44:31 PM  
3 votes:
Thank god justice prevailed. Most disgustingly politically-motivated trial in recent memory.
2013-07-13 11:41:42 PM  
3 votes:

Penman: iq_in_binary: Penman: Pincy: Penman: iq_in_binary: Because the asshole who thinks a gun in his pocket makes him a cop that decided you looked suspicious won't go to jail for shooting you after starting a fight with you and losing.

Every Trayvon cheerleader gets this wrong. Trayvon Martin started the fight.

So we have video of how this whole thing went down?

A 911 call and the injuries to Zimmerman.

Yes, a 911 call where Zimmerman admitted to pursuing Martin. Despite being told not to.

Active pursuit is threatening behavior. That's instigating a fight. Like I said, he was losing a fight he started, and like a little biatch pulled the gun because he was a sore loser.

You can turn around and violently attack someone because they're walking down the same street as you? "Yes Officer, I thought he was pursuing me, I just didn't like the way he looked, so I beat the shiat out of him"
In fact it seems like Trayvon might be the racist one, assuming that the Mexican guy is out to get him.


Ok, I'm heavy on the self defense opinion myself, I think we may have started off on the wrong foot.

Let me explain, I have insight into the legal system that you do not have. I was a legal investigator. A good one, I charged $150/hr for static surveillance and $225/hr plus the rates of other investigators helping me for dynamic surveillance. That's right, my job was following people.

Let's get something straight, following people in a menacing manner IS against the law. For us? Unless we we're in confined quarters like a bar or strip club or restaurant, the general rule is stay the fark outside of a 20-30 yard bubble. Why? Because any closer can be considered menacing. Investigators have been charged with intimidation, stalking, disorderly behavior, you name it for trailing people. Because guess what, constantly following people around IS generally considered in the court of law to be threatening behavior.

As a "legal professional" (don't kid yourself, I was hired muscle for lawyers, and because of who I worked for it was TECHNICALLY legal, though morally wrong) I have both a wide breadth when it comes to defending myself but also a pretty close look at how the criminal element and how unfavorably it treats those not working for the system. I'm also fairly liberal now, so I try and confine my use of force worthy situations to as small a list of justifiable situations as possible. Basically, the mantra is, GET THE fark AWAY. Why? Showing that you did the best you could to avoid the situation in the first place goes a long way in criminal cases towards showing necessity of your actions. Awareness, Detection, Evasion. Be aware, detect the threat, and do your best to get the fark away from it. Failing that, preemptive offense. I've worked for many a lawyer, one of whom has personally taken a police chief in front of the SCOTUS and biatch slapped him up one side the court and down the other over a rejected CCW application. He told me to write a book on self defense after discussing this subject at length, and offered to write the forward.

Zimmerman pursued. In a sane world, that would preempt a self defense claim. He wasn't a cop, he was armed against Neighborhood Watch rules, etc.. That he's walking around free when it very well could have been me that he tried to chase that night because I was doing an asset check is disturbing. Why? Because the best way to diffuse a violent situation is to get away from it. That there is a legal climate in any state of our union that justifies someone pursuing (which like I said, for me, IS criminal behavior if they spot me and I'm closer than 20-30 yards) thus starting a fight (I kind of have to think that way because my mere presence is very detrimental to them, it means their life is about to take a turn for the worse if I live to turn in that affidavit, motive AND opportunity considering they're in visible range of me), and shooting someone when they end up losing the fight(which is again likely with me, I took hand to hand and defensive pistol training very seriously), is a VERY BAD THING.

In short, I am (or was, now that I'm not on the job anymore and relocated to a city where I didn't have a bunch of people rather pissed at me) the epitome of the reason to be paranoid and walk around armed, and even I find some very big and glaring issues with this ruling. Whether or not you chose to address them is up to you. But as someone who had big reason to be concerned over this who is quite invested in legal self defense, quit it with your pretentious shiat.
2013-07-13 11:39:52 PM  
3 votes:

ChaosStar: Noitall: Wil Wheaton@wilw

Stalking and shooting unarmed teenagers because you're a paranoid racist! AMIRIGHTGUYS?! YEAH! #farkYouGeorgeZimmermanDieInAFire

https://twitter.com/wilw/status/356240381358247938

Ah yes, Wil Wheaton, the brilliant law scholar that he is.
/sigh


I don't think he's necessarily expressing a legal opinion.  Zimmerman, regardless of the trial verdict, took actions that ultimately resulted in him killing a teenager.  Sounds like the teenager made plenty of bad decisions too, but nonetheless, no one should have died that night.
2013-07-13 11:29:08 PM  
3 votes:
So what have we learned lately about Florida?

It's OK to murder blah children wearing hoodies.
While massive Medicare fraud is illegal, it does not prevent one from becoming governor.
2013-07-13 11:24:38 PM  
3 votes:
The Martin family attorney compared Trayvon Martin to Medgar Evers. That's pretty insulting to Evers.
2013-07-13 11:21:46 PM  
3 votes:
Great now Zimmerman can sue ABC for starting this circus! ABC who doctored the police video to cover his injuries and stated Zimmerman lied when he said he was attacked causing America to get in a up-roar.....  Zimmerman should also sue the media outlet who dubbed the 911 tape to make it sound like he was racist and played it on the news...These two things America was not told was fake for months after the fact!
2013-07-13 11:21:01 PM  
3 votes:
Funny how we have 2 threads in 1.  I guess that those of us who realize that we have no impact on a judicial case prefer to talk about delicious breakfast foods rather than the stuff we cannot change.
2013-07-13 11:19:32 PM  
3 votes:

casual disregard: Lionel Mandrake: casual disregard: Lionel Mandrake: NOT GUILTY!!

JUST LIKE OJ!!

The jury decided.

That's how it works in our justice system. No posthumous verdicts from the bench, no guilt presumed upon accusation, no tribal dances, no bribes or other bullcrap. The jury decided.

And they decided correctly.

That's what happens when rednecks write stupid laws: bad things happen, but nobody did anything wrong.

The law is the law despite or even in spite of what Judge Dredd proclaimed. From my little armchair I concluded based on the evidence that Zimmerman would have been guilty of at least something. In Florida, apparently not.

My opinion means nothing there. My opinion means less than nothing here! This is the law we are discussing, and the law is at worst lawful evil. The jury decided.

I hope that Zimmerman will find a quiet life. I suspect that will not be true. I suspect vigilantes will make his life hell. At this point, I'm hating the vigilantes. Give him the respect the jury gave him. Leave him alone.


Yeah, it'd be a damn shame if someone took the law into their own hands and shot someone they believed to be a criminal.
2013-07-13 11:15:01 PM  
3 votes:

DicksWii: Since George Zimmerman is not guilty of the gun death of Trayvon Martin, then that just proves my point --- People don't kill people, GUNS kill people. Can we get started on that National Gun Confiscation thing now?


No... No you can't.

Tough shiat.
2013-07-13 11:14:06 PM  
3 votes:

iq_in_binary: Yes, a 911 call where Zimmerman admitted to pursuing Martin. Despite being told not to.


He wasn't being "told" anything. It was a suggestion ("We dont need you to do that") that was given by a non-officer. a 911 operator is not a cop, and cannot give commands to anyone.

/why is it so hard for people to stick to facts?
2013-07-13 11:13:57 PM  
3 votes:

Penman: iq_in_binary: Because the asshole who thinks a gun in his pocket makes him a cop that decided you looked suspicious won't go to jail for shooting you after starting a fight with you and losing.

Every Trayvon cheerleader gets this wrong. Trayvon Martin started the fight.


Not at all. The jury makes no determination on what went on that night.  They only found that the prosecution did not meet the elements of the offense beyond a reasonable doubt.  Say you believe what prosecution argued and disbelieve everything the defense stated and Zimmerman's story.  Zimmerman followed Martin, there was a confrontation of some kind, Zimmerman suffered superficial injuries and shot Martin. There simply isn't enough there to prove 2nd degree murder or even Manslaughter without having to make too many inferences.  The jury followed the instructions and found him not guilty.  That doesn't mean Zimmerman is innocent, it just means there wasn't enough proof he was guilty.  The prosecution didn't have a lot to work with and probably did a few things they wish they had done differently now.  However even with the best presentation possible of the facts they had available, it was a tough case.

Put me in team French toast.  Some scrambled eggs with a little bit of milk and cinnamon to drench some stale bread before a quick trip through a non-stick pan to heat it up.  Top it with a little butter and some honey and I am set.
2013-07-13 11:11:43 PM  
3 votes:

iq_in_binary: Penman: Pincy: Penman: iq_in_binary: Because the asshole who thinks a gun in his pocket makes him a cop that decided you looked suspicious won't go to jail for shooting you after starting a fight with you and losing.

Every Trayvon cheerleader gets this wrong. Trayvon Martin started the fight.

So we have video of how this whole thing went down?

A 911 call and the injuries to Zimmerman.

Yes, a 911 call where Zimmerman admitted to pursuing Martin. Despite being told not to.

Active pursuit is threatening behavior. That's instigating a fight.


You keep saying that but we just had a trial about it and a jury determined that isn't the case. Following someone isn't illegal.
2013-07-13 11:09:42 PM  
3 votes:
Bu.......but he was black, it must be racism.

/farking apologists
2013-07-13 11:08:02 PM  
3 votes:

iq_in_binary: Penman: iq_in_binary: Because the asshole who thinks a gun in his pocket makes him a cop that decided you looked suspicious won't go to jail for shooting you after starting a fight with you and losing.

Every Trayvon cheerleader gets this wrong. Trayvon Martin started the fight.

Actively pursuing somebody starts a fight, sorry.

If someone is trying to get the fark away from you and you won't let them? You're instigating a fight.


Following someone isn't illegal. Punching someone for following you is. Martin had no legal obligation to flee from Zimmerman (but he was only 100 yards from home and had 3 minutes to get there) but he did have a legal obligation not to beat Zimmerman for following him
2013-07-13 11:07:59 PM  
3 votes:

iq_in_binary: Actively pursuing somebody starts a fight, sorry.

If someone is trying to get the fark away from you and you won't let them? You're instigating a fight.


He wasn't being pursued, he was being trailed. That isn't cause to attack someone, I'm sorry. This verdict proves that.
2013-07-13 11:04:53 PM  
3 votes:

johnnyrocket: Simple question: if you claim self defense, you need scant proof that it was self defense?


The burden of proof for a self-defense claim doesn't go as high as reasonable doubt, but you do have to demonstrate it pretty strongly. Essentially you have to provide reasonable doubt that what you did was a crime, while admitting that you did it.

Very scary verdict, seems like open season for shooting people for no reason at all. And getting away with it.

Not at all. The defense demonstrated its case quite strongly.
2013-07-13 11:04:05 PM  
3 votes:

johnnyrocket: Let the healing begin? More like let the carnage begin.

Sounds like open season on shooting people and expecting to get away with it.


Calm the fark down.  Where is your outrage about the killings in Chicago or Detroit?
2013-07-13 11:03:27 PM  
3 votes:
This just in: I told you all 6 months ago.
2013-07-13 11:03:05 PM  
3 votes:
Sunshinedown State.
2013-07-13 11:01:54 PM  
3 votes:
You stupid FLORIDIOTS! Too bad "stand your ground" is only a defense if you're white. A woman who fired warning shots at her husband who was coming at her (she had a protective order against him), was just sentenced to 20 yrs in prison. For attempted manslaughter. In Florida. Guess what color she is?
2013-07-13 11:00:29 PM  
3 votes:

novalord2: The Martin's lawyer just compared this case to Emmet Till. Jesus Christ.

"You have a little black boy who was killed," said Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Martin's parents. "It's going to be reported in history books ,and 50 years from now, our children will talk about Trayvon Martin's case like we talk about Emmett Till."


--

POINT OF ORDER: No one talks about Emmett Till anymore.
2013-07-13 10:58:16 PM  
3 votes:
i1182.photobucket.com
2013-07-13 10:58:01 PM  
3 votes:

AirForceVet: But I was once a 17-year-old male, walking in my Florida neighborhood at night after going to the local store. Glad no Zimmernam followed me in their car, carrying a gun.


You had the mental faculties necessary to realize it's a bad idea to turn around and attack anyone who comes within 50 feet of you.
2013-07-13 10:57:22 PM  
3 votes:

Jose628: Michael Moore Verified account
@MMFlint
Trayvon was the 1 who's life was being threatened--by a guy w/ a gun chasing after him! Trayvon had the RIGHT 2 do ANYTHING 2 defend himself
https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/356243570098835459


 Really? He *knew* Z had a gun?

 So, tell me why he attacked a guy who was armed with a gun...cause that's all kinds of stupid no matter who's the "victim".

/the amount of people who think Z and T were mind reading each other is astounding.
2013-07-13 10:55:49 PM  
3 votes:
This is a satisfactory outcome.

Not a good outcome: this is not a thing to celebrate. No heroics were done here. This is not a thing to be honored.
Not a bad outcome: a man who did what he had to do to survive was not punished, when he easily could have been.
Not justice: there was no justice to be had. But not injustice either, which could have occurred.

Now healing can begin, if we will let it. It will be a long process, and a painful one. But at least we have not made the wounds worse.
2013-07-13 10:54:14 PM  
3 votes:

Mighty Taternuts: An unarmed minor was killed while on his walk home.

That is kinda sad.


If he'd used some common sense instead of his actual arms, we'd be reading some other thread.
2013-07-13 10:53:23 PM  
3 votes:

Pichu0102: A kid is dead, his family is scarred


Maybe his family could have stepped in and stopped his transformation from the decent, Hollister-wearing kid Trayvon to the tattooed, drug-addled, violent racist punk "No_Limit_nubian".

I think I can do without racists calling people cracker, thank you - now welcome to the ground No_Limit_nubian.
2013-07-13 10:51:37 PM  
3 votes:

Pardon Me Sultan: Still not as sickening as

Black Woman Gets 20 Years for Firing Shot at Wall; White Man Gets 0 Years for Shooting Man in the Back 3 Times, Killing Him

http://www.alternet.org/stand-your-ground-double-standard


You should read her story........its quite an apples and chainsaws comparison.
2013-07-13 10:51:18 PM  
3 votes:
It's times like these that I thank god a live in an area surrounded by rednecks.  I'm pissed and I'm white.  If a black guy can't walk around without being harassed nobody should be able to.  Until this changes black people will be angry, and I understand.
2013-07-13 10:50:49 PM  
3 votes:
This should be a lesson to all black kids in Florida,get home before the street lights go on and don't look massa in the eye. fark you,Florida.
2013-07-13 10:49:46 PM  
3 votes:
by the letter of the law Not Guilty is the correct verdict, too bad you have retards writing your laws
also as of today murder is legal in Florida
2013-07-13 10:46:50 PM  
3 votes:
Still not as sickening as

Black Woman Gets 20 Years for Firing Shot at Wall; White Man Gets 0 Years for Shooting Man in the Back 3 Times, Killing Him

http://www.alternet.org/stand-your-ground-double-standard
2013-07-13 10:46:20 PM  
3 votes:

SphericalTime: Okay, after Florida burns down, what state's tag will replace it on Fark?
- DrewCurtis (@DrewCurtis) July 14, 2013

I'm going to go with Texas or Ohio.


Arizona.
2013-07-13 10:46:18 PM  
3 votes:
i.imgur.com
FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST,
THANK GOD ALMIGHTY
HE'S FREE AT LAST!
2013-07-13 10:45:04 PM  
3 votes:
Irresistably stupid force collided with immovably stupid object.  What is left is what could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Personally, I thought manslaughter would have been correct, but I wasn't on the jury.  You can't pack heat then go around in a situation that may lead to a confrontation.  In addition, you can't jump a dude planning to beat his ass and assume you will come out all right either.

Thus, Florida retains its tag.  As someone once said here, Florida is to stupid what Japan is to fetish.
2013-07-13 10:43:42 PM  
3 votes:

d23: NuclearPenguins: TF voters, I am disappoint.

Wasn't out fault.  The modmins are trying to be judicious or are running scared.

the one I voted for: "It is now open season on black children in Florida."


Ouch.  If that wasn't so true it would be almost too much.
2013-07-13 10:42:42 PM  
3 votes:
The "obvious" tag appears to be missing.
2013-07-13 10:42:20 PM  
3 votes:
Waffles, but none of that Belgian crap.
2013-07-13 10:41:53 PM  
3 votes:
This was Florida we are talking about. If you expected a different outcome you're stupid. Also pancakes > waffles.
2013-07-13 10:41:28 PM  
3 votes:
Let me be the first to say that I do not agree with everyone in this thread.
d23 [BareFark]
2013-07-13 10:40:37 PM  
3 votes:
This headline proves the modmins shiat themselves.
2013-07-13 10:40:26 PM  
3 votes:

cman: NuclearPenguins: TF voters, I am disappoint.

This wasn't us

We voted one up to 8 votes

We were ignored


Knock Knock,

Whos There?

Doesn't matter what you voted.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-07-13 10:40:16 PM  
3 votes:
I like pancackes. As long as they aren't too dark. Nothing worse than a burnt pancake.
2013-07-13 10:39:47 PM  
3 votes:

NuclearPenguins: TF voters, I am disappoint.


This wasn't us

We voted one up to 8 votes

We were ignored
2013-07-13 10:39:36 PM  
3 votes:
Drink every time you see the word 'riot' in this thread.
2013-07-14 09:18:05 AM  
2 votes:

thornhill: The bottom line is that Zimmerman followed Martin against the orders of the police


It actually boggles my mind that there are idiots STILL saying this.
2013-07-14 09:17:08 AM  
2 votes:
thornhill:

The bottom line is that Zimmerman followed Martin against the orders of the police -- how fearful could he have really have been, especially considering that he had a gun?

At the very least, can we retire this incorrect statement of fact before this thread ends.  The 911 dispatcher testified in court that he absolutely could not, did not and would not order George Zimmerman to do anything.  He further stated that he is instructed not to order anyone on the other end of the line to do anything because that would potentially make the municipal government liable if the order caused the person to be harmed.  He stated that he is allowed to make suggestions only; which is what he did in this instance.

HE SAID THIS IN COURT.  NOBODY HAS CONTRADICTED THIS FACT.  PLEASE STOP WRONGLY ASSERTING THE OPPOSITE.
2013-07-14 07:29:14 AM  
2 votes:
1. Prosecutions' lead witness admitted to lying

2. Prosecution withheld evidence

3. Prosecution/judge tags on second charge of manslaughter near end of trial realizing they have not proved murder

Enough right there for reasonable doubt

Suck it so called "civil libertarians" the system worked
2013-07-14 04:41:30 AM  
2 votes:
Anyone who isn't not-guilty in this case is devoid of all logic. It actually requires deliberate ignorance and making up facts and pure speculation to make this anything other than self defense. It drives me mad that the world is still this farked up.

Zimmerman followed Martin because he fit the profile of suspects who had recently committed crimes in that area. Yes, those suspects were black. Trayvon Martin was skulking through the neighborhood. Yes, he was just trying to get home. There was no way for Zimmerman or anyone else to know that. Zimmerman then called the non-emergency line. The operator (not a police officer) said, about following Trayvon "we don't need you to do that" and Zimmerman said "ok." In the 4 minutes Martin could have chosen to just go home like he intended, he chose to confront Zimmerman with violent force. This force included pinning Zimmerman to the ground, punching Zimmerman in the face, and slamming Zimmerman's head into the concrete. Zimmerman, fearing for his life, fired his gun once and ended his assailant's life.

These are the facts of the case as presented in the trial. There are no other facts. Everyone is just making a bunch of shiat up and it's stupid and disgusting. You never have the right to assault someone who is not actively trying to hurt you and all of your bleeding heart emotion doesn't change the fact that it was a barbaric act on the part of Trayvon Martin that caused Zimmerman to fear for his life, which resulted in Martin's death. Skin color has nothing to do with it.

Martin called Zimmerman a "creepy cracker" and turned back to attack Martin. What if a white man had done the same thing? What if a guy that looked like a skinhead told someone on the phone, same scenario, that "a weird n*gg*r" was following him, and proceeded to turn around and start beating the shiat out of someone over it. There's no difference. The skin colors have no relevance. The ages have no relevance. There are just the facts and if you can't get over that, I pray you never serve on a jury.
2013-07-14 03:20:50 AM  
2 votes:
for all you ignorant farkers out there, he's several photos of the KelTec PF-11 with the slide locked back:

img.photobucket.com
www.gunandgame.com www.jtice.com
www.southernoutdoorlife.com

thats how this gun works. if you think you or any human being can bend the barrel of ANY gun, especially a 9mm which is built to withstand 60,000 PSI, then i have a bridge and some swampland for sale that i think you'd like to buy.
2013-07-14 02:37:36 AM  
2 votes:

jdmac: Well, one thing this trail has done for race relations in this country, Hispanic people are now considered white.


press.princeton.edu

Certain communities are happy to have honorary white people if it furthers their agenda. Even in antebellum times, slaves were not only considered property, but persons if it was to the advantage of the power brokers.
2013-07-14 01:31:32 AM  
2 votes:

Mentalpatient87: Oh, I've recently purchased a bottle to keep pancake batter in. Just gotta mix up a big batch and funnel it in there, keep it in the fridge. Great for quick, easy pancakes for the terminally lazy like myself. I recommend it. I'm sure a used syrup bottle would work fine.


Or one of these:
i.imgur.com
2013-07-14 12:59:32 AM  
2 votes:
I'm now convinced half the country was watching a different trial than I was.

911 Operator told him "Ok, we don't need you to do that."  And Zimmerman followed the kid anyways.  Zimmerman had a loaded gun on him for neighborhood watch duty, who the f*ck does that.   He saw a black kid running home in the rain with his hood on and assumed he had robbed a nearby 7-11, so he says "They always get away, f*cking punks."

And he's not guilty of premeditated murder?   Lol yeah ok.
2013-07-14 12:57:56 AM  
2 votes:

skullkrusher: she LEFT the situation, got a farking gun and then REENTERED the situation. Stop doing a disservice to an actual problem by being a jackhole


She went into the garage of her own house to arm herself and then told her abusive husband to get the fark out before shooting a single shot into the ceiling. Give me a farking break.

It''s not like she got out of her car, tracked her husband down on a public sidewalk, and then shot him to death, right???
2013-07-14 12:51:33 AM  
2 votes:

ontariolightning: In other news


(CBS News) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - A Florida woman who fired warning shots against her allegedly abusive husband has been sentenced to 20 years in prison.

Marissa Alexander of Jacksonville had said the state's "Stand Your Ground" law should apply to her because she was defending herself against her allegedly abusive husband when she fired warning shots inside her home in August 2010. She told police it was to escape a brutal beating by her husband, against whom she had already taken out a protective order.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-f or -firing-warning-shots/


Let me guess... she wasn't white.

/ducks
2013-07-14 12:47:45 AM  
2 votes:

wedun: steamingpile: RockSteadyUSMC: The judicial system worked exactly how it's supposed to. There was enough reasonable doubt to acquit, and that was how it should be. The judicial system convicts based on facts and should prove beyond a reasonable doubt, not convict based on public opinion.

/USMC MP
//Yes I have a clue

Then you are obviously a racist sir!

eh he had a "grill" and THC in his system at the time he was killed

Also he had a "criminal history"

sounds like enough reasonable doubt for me.


Makes me worry about my roommate, who uses pot medicinally for severe migraines but sometimes for recreation too.  And has used other drugs as well, and has even helped procure pot for friends (ooh low level dealer, working to establish a customer base).  And she has a "criminal history" (protest arrest, and iirc an MIP), until recently lived in Detroit, and is a young adult (22).  And has some a few dumbass regrettable pictures on Facebook.  Good to know all of that is justification to assume the worst about her, eh?  I mean, she is a woman (well duh), and not black, and accomplished, but ignoring all that - about the same eh?

Again: reasonable doubt, the jury was correct.  But no, making out Trayvon to be a punk thug kid does NOT have bearing NOR should it justify ANYTHING.
2013-07-14 12:37:27 AM  
2 votes:
skullkrusher:

well, that's not rational then. Sure, he may be morally guilty of something but I don't think he is morally guilty of intentional murder. I have no ...

I don't know how old you are, but when 4 LAPD officers were acquitted of beating the crap out of Rodney King and people rioted, the 4 officers were charged again in federal court. IIRC, two of them were found guilty. It would not have happened if not for riots. Even if it doesn't do any good, the possibility that it might do some good--a feeling of empowerment at the very least--is more than they're likely to get through traditional channels. African-Americans are what? 15% of the population? They have very little political (economic) power and it's decreasing every day.
2013-07-14 12:19:42 AM  
2 votes:

ObnoxiousLonghorn: How humanity continues to survive is beyond me.


Not picking fights with other people is a step in the right direction.
2013-07-14 12:14:31 AM  
2 votes:
I really, really hope everyone stays calm and peaceful. Let all of the idiots on Fark and in the media breathlessly chanting "riot" go to bed with blueballs.
2013-07-14 12:14:07 AM  
2 votes:
Trayvon Martin was responsible for the death of Trayvon Martin - fact (as rendered by a jury in a court of law).

/blueberry
2013-07-14 12:13:07 AM  
2 votes:

Gyrfalcon: That Zimmerman could have avoided the fight by staying back (or better still, staying in his car) does not matter to a verdict of self-defense; what matter is, at the moment of decision, did he reasonably believe his life was in danger? And clearly, the jury agreed that he did.


The problem is, that it totally dismisses whether or not Martin felt he was in danger to start with.
2013-07-14 12:12:44 AM  
2 votes:

WhyteRaven74: LemSkroob: "here comes the civil suit"

uh why wouldn't there be a civil suit?

YouPeopleAreCrazy: And you know this how?

It can also be irrelevant, if Martin felt threatened, then he was well within his rights to as the law puts it stand his ground. Of course since he's dead, we can't find out if he did indeed felt threatened.


In FL there's a self defense immunity.

Martin's family can't even file.
2013-07-14 12:05:34 AM  
2 votes:
t.qkme.me
2013-07-14 12:01:43 AM  
2 votes:
i.qkme.me

His life is still farked.
2013-07-13 11:56:01 PM  
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-07-13 11:51:03 PM  
2 votes:

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: Great that's cool you don't have to take any responsibility for killing someone when it was your fault to begin with.


First of all, that's not proven.

Second of all, would you prefer the alternative? You and the "burn Zimmerman" crew seem to want a justice system where someone can have their life ruined given circumstantial evidence with plenty of doubt to go around.
2013-07-13 11:51:01 PM  
2 votes:

Cataholic: PsiChick: Pichu0102: Anyone who celebrates this should be shunned.
Anyone who threatens him should be prosecuted.
Anyone who thinks this means "open season on whatever minority I don't like" should be prosecuted.
Violent rioters should be prosecuted.


Furthermore, everyone should be depressed. A kid is dead, his family is scarred, and a man's life was thrown into chaos and will likely be haunted by this for the rest of his life.

No one wins no matter what happens. My main concern was that people would celebrate this trial's conclusion, despite what a horrible thing that is to celebrate, and I was proven right.

Uh...he brought that one on himself...

/If you're Random Dumbfark, sure, you might not know that following a teen boy in the middle of the night is a stupid idea. If you're 'Captain of the Neighborhood Watch' with a 911 dispatcher telling you to stay the fark put...you have no goddamn excuse for the consequences, especially since  you are the adult in the situation.

I know.  He should have just laid back and taken the beating he deserved.  What did he think was gonna happen wearin that skirt?


You want to know the difference between Zimmerman and a rape victim? Zimmerman  chose to get out of his car and actively pursue Trayvon while armed*. Rape victims don't usually chase rapists around with guns.

/*And, as you would know if you knew the first damn thing about gun safety, while you are carrying a loaded weapon you DO NOT TAKE ACTION THAT MIGHT PROVOKE A FIGHT.
//Godfarkingdamn, how do people miss the most basic gun-safety rules?
2013-07-13 11:43:16 PM  
2 votes:
As a self-hating white person with a pigeon chest and kazoo voice, I was hoping that George Zimmerman would be found guilty of murder for daring to resist a black man who was doing nothing wrong except for pounding Zimmerman's head against a concrete sidewalk and bloodying his nose in an attempt to exact some measure of racial justice. I am outraged that it is now considered acceptable for lighter-skinned people to act in self-defence against darker-skinned people who are trying to kill them, and I am more outraged still that Zimmerman has been spared prison and the prolonged sexual torture and eventual murder that the verdict would have entailed. Obviously what has happened here proves that the USA is still a dystopian racist theocracy, and by way of protest I am going to obstinately remain in the basement of my house in my predominantly-white, safe, suburban neighbourhood until justice is done, while furiously hammering away at the keyboard.
2013-07-13 11:43:01 PM  
2 votes:

Propain_az: 911 Dispatchers are not the police.  They have no authority.  Don't be stupid.  You know better.


It was a "reasonable" request meant to preserve life. The results of Zimmerman getting out of the car are exactly what the dispatcher was trying to avoid.
2013-07-13 11:39:46 PM  
2 votes:
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BAN XEO beats your pancakes and waffles any day. And French Toast has already surrendered.
2013-07-13 11:38:28 PM  
2 votes:
All this Pancake, Waffle debate with French Toast trying to weigh in and no love for Crepes!?!?!
2.bp.blogspot.com
Dad used to make then all the time..Butter, fruit, jam..he could not make them fast enough for me and my brothers..Yum..Will make some very soon. Screw your Pancakes and Waffles!

Whats the topic in this thread again?
2013-07-13 11:37:42 PM  
2 votes:
Everyone involved in this sucks.
Prosecutor, Zimmerman, his lawyers, the media, the cops.
What a bunch of idiots.
2013-07-13 11:36:56 PM  
2 votes:
So, when all this is said and done, what really changes? Nothing. Even if Zimmerman had been found guilty, what was really gained? Nothing. In no way do I mean to belittle or detract from the sad loss of Trayvon's life, but can we be brutally honest for a moment?

We all know that people of all kinds commit crimes; that's beside the point here.
We all know that when we talk about "black crime", we're not talking about the majority of black Americans.
We all know that racism, police brutality, and corrupt politicians are continuing problems. But they are not the biggest problems at hand.
If you dismiss my observations simply on the basis that I'm white (a creepy-ass cracker?), you've got no standing at all calling me a racist or whatever; if fact it only reflects on you. If I'm wrong, just explain why you think so.
All that being said . . .

Every day in the inner cities and ghettos all over America, young black men are killing other young black men at a terrifying rate. Good people within the neighborhood feel like hostages while gang bangers and thugs roam freely outside. Drugs, crime, and unemployment are ubiquitous. Song after song by black artists glorify disrespecting women, gluttonous materialism, and disregard for others to the point of violence. The prison industry profits while its dungeons teem with young blacks more than any other group. So where are the nationwide protests? Where is the media outrage? Why this double standard that seems to say - true or not - that the only black life worth being upset about is one taken by a non-black? I ask because this is the very thing that is the problem: The death of Trayvon Martin, though tragic, is but a drop in an ocean in the larger issues concerning race and crime in black America, yet few are addressing these issues with anywhere near the passion that has been generated over this single case. So what's up? What's going on here?

Over seventy people were shot over the 4th of July weekend this year in Chicago alone, over thirty of whom died. Almost all were black, several of whom were innocent children and toddlers. Has anyone shown the same outrage and compassion for them too? Are all these deaths less worthy of attention and outrage because both the victim and the perp are black? And if not, then why the silence?

In a better world, the existing culture of victim-hood and despair would be thrown aside as the self defeating lie that it is and replaced with a Renaissance of black American culture. The existing black leadership that thrives on the anger and the sense of helplessness of the people it claims to represent would be cast away and replaced with strong leaders that would focus on the positive and help their communities strive to achieve their full potential. Begin to rally together not to protest others, but instead to unite as a community, and you have overcome the biggest problem of all.

But until then, what really changes? Nothing.
2013-07-13 11:33:29 PM  
2 votes:

Truther: Rodeodoc: Lionel Mandrake: NOT GUILTY!!

JUST LIKE OJ!!

And Casey Anthony.  I knew as soon as the incompetent prosecutor allowed the jury to be made up of 6 white women that this wannabe cop asshat would get off.  I hope the blacks burn Florida to the ground.

/riot

Cause all the innocent folk deserve to have their lives ruined.

/know you're not serious
//hopes you're not serious?


not guilty =/= innocent
2013-07-13 11:31:55 PM  
2 votes:

nelsonal: Mrtraveler01: creepy ass-cracka: No. Those are racial slurs uttered by Martin.

Based on what? Zimmerman's word?


Based on the testimony of the person Trayvon was on the phone with prior to the fight.


not surprising that people who didn't know the facts of the case would find this ruling controversial.
the media should have done a better job presenting the facts, not the hype, emotions and flat out deceptions.
2013-07-13 11:31:50 PM  
2 votes:
Lost in all of this I think we see a devastated Zimmerman, people reacting to a judgement of violence with more violence and the fact that we still have a young man who lost his life too early.
2013-07-13 11:29:40 PM  
2 votes:

skullkrusher: Somacandra: skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: creepy ass-cracka: No. Those are racial slurs uttered by Martin.

Based on what? Zimmerman's word?

Do black people really say "cracka" still? I thought that was a dated term to use.

his girlfriend testified that he said that on the phone to her

I have words for people that stalk me at night in the dark too while I'm on the sidewalk. They are not complimentary.

if they're racist then guess what? You're a racist.


That's pretty interesting considering I'm a Latino academic who works in African-American Studies. I'll bet your understanding of the historical, social, economic, political and structural components of racism is dazzling to behold. Protip: Language informs racialization and vice versa, but neither of them are equivalent to the other.
2013-07-13 11:26:41 PM  
2 votes:

SphericalTime: If I had a black son, I would be absolutely terrified for his future right now.


As opposed to what other time in American history?
2013-07-13 11:25:08 PM  
2 votes:
The plural of "feelings" is not "evidence."
2013-07-13 11:24:57 PM  
2 votes:
Katie Featherston, anyone?

www.horrorphilia.com
2013-07-13 11:23:14 PM  
2 votes:

Mighty Taternuts: MatrixOutsider: Mighty Taternuts: Raiden333: As the case went on, I started to realize that the case had been mischaracterized in the media and that there was in fact Reasonable Doubt. I saw that the prosecution was unable to establish a consistent narrative of what happened, and relied only on attacking Zimmerman's character and evoking emotion for Martin. I am sad that Martin is dead, it should not have happened. Both men made stupid mistakes that night. I don't know Zimmerman well enough to make a call on if he truly had ill-will in his heart. But I am happy a not guilty verdict was reached, because it means that evidence and the process of law have overridden appeals to emotion.

He chased a kid that did nothing wrong after the 911 operator told him not to, how is that not ill-will?

The operator does not have the authority to issue a police command.

That isn't what I asked. Following an innocent person with the intent of stopping them because you feel they may have done something wrong is ill-will.


No it isn't.

Beating someone who asks you your name is ill will.
2013-07-13 11:22:07 PM  
2 votes:

Prussian_Roulette: Nancy Grace has gone from near-aneurysm to blubbering about how this all should've been "black and white."  Good choice of words, Nancy.


If Nancy Grace were to die of a massive stroke right there on live TV and shiat her drawers as she spun down and ended on the floor ass-up to the camera, at least SOME good would have come from this.
2013-07-13 11:21:17 PM  
2 votes:

Utter Genius: Now sue NBC and get your ruined life back, George Zimmerman.


No, no, no.   the next step will be Obama instructing the "Justice" Department to go after him on Federal Charges.  Obama will want as much race hatred as possible to increase black turnout in 2014.  I bet they even time the arrest to be just about 2 months before the election.

1.bp.blogspot.com


All that twaddle about Uniting rather than dividing the country is over.  And you were a fool if you ever believed it.
2013-07-13 11:19:22 PM  
2 votes:

Penman: He's free, but he'll have to skip town most likely. Trayvon's crew wants revenge.


So, thugs thinking they are tougher than they are and jumping straight to violence? Isn't that what got Trayvon into this mess in the first place?  Figures. Thugs will be thugs.
2013-07-13 11:19:15 PM  
2 votes:

ontariolightning: Zimmers address is being tweeted by thousands of accounts. He cannot go home lol


They should charge every single one with making terroristic threats
2013-07-13 11:19:00 PM  
2 votes:

Mrtraveler01: creepy ass-cracka: No. Those are racial slurs uttered by Martin.

Based on what? Zimmerman's word?



Based on the testimony of the person Trayvon was on the phone with prior to the fight.
2013-07-13 11:18:46 PM  
2 votes:

iq_in_binary: Carth: iq_in_binary: Penman: iq_in_binary: Because the asshole who thinks a gun in his pocket makes him a cop that decided you looked suspicious won't go to jail for shooting you after starting a fight with you and losing.

Every Trayvon cheerleader gets this wrong. Trayvon Martin started the fight.

Actively pursuing somebody starts a fight, sorry.

If someone is trying to get the fark away from you and you won't let them? You're instigating a fight.

Following someone isn't illegal. Punching someone for following you is. Martin had no legal obligation to flee from Zimmerman (but he was only 100 yards from home and had 3 minutes to get there) but he did have a legal obligation not to beat Zimmerman for following him

Wrong.

Legal investigator. MY JOB was following people. You NEVER continuously trail somebody from less than 20-30 yards away. Because any closer is considered menacing. Besides that, if you had half a brain, you wouldn't be trailing somebody in a fashion that would alert them to the fact that you're tailing. For exactly the same reason, it can be construed as intimidating or threatening. Menacing, Intimidation, Stalking, there are all kinds of criminal charges that can and will be levied against you for following people around, and plenty of investigators have been tried with them despite the perfectly legitimate reasons they have to be investigating people.

Constantly following somebody around in a manner that they are aware of and at close proximity IS illegal behavior, in many places majorly so.

Like I said, Zimmerman started the fight.


Bullshiat.  and you know it.
2013-07-13 11:17:38 PM  
2 votes:
tulsa20something.files.wordpress.com
2013-07-13 11:16:56 PM  
2 votes:
Meanwhile, this is the 1-in-100 time the bigot is right. And he will continue to crow over that for the next 99 times that he's wrong.
2013-07-13 11:12:22 PM  
2 votes:
Now sue NBC and get your ruined life back, George Zimmerman.
2013-07-13 11:11:41 PM  
2 votes:

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Wrong. Following the kid in the first place is what started the fight.


Not legally, no. And in a court of law, that's what counts. Surprising, isn't it?
2013-07-13 11:11:26 PM  
2 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Let the riots, looting, burning and raping, and killing begin!! all the in name of JUSTICE. That will show them!!!

/not really, but I'm sure some will use this for personal gain cloaked in "we are mad because you set him free" bullshiat.


Justice = whatever verdict we wanted
No Justice = the verdict given was not the one we thought we should have gotten.
2013-07-13 11:10:52 PM  
2 votes:

LegacyDL: Lesson learned: listen to authority and don't be the aggressor.


I think the lesson here is: don't be black.
2013-07-13 11:10:35 PM  
2 votes:

Mrtraveler01: creepy ass-cracka: No. Those are racial slurs uttered by Martin.

Based on what? Zimmerman's word?

Do black people really say "cracka" still? I thought that was a dated term to use.



Why do people who didn't watch the trial, or even educate themselves about the subject want to comment on it so badly? Is it a need to feel superior? because you just look stupid.
2013-07-13 11:10:30 PM  
2 votes:

UNC_Samurai: Didn't they find Zimmerman liable in the wrongful death suit. They at least recognized he was negligent in his actions.


I really cant tell here... what wrongful death suit? The one that cant happen because of florida law?

The only civil suit that can happen is Zimmerman against the media for defamation (like for doctoring the 911 tapes, for example).
2013-07-13 11:09:33 PM  
2 votes:

Mrtraveler01: creepy ass-cracka: No. Those are racial slurs uttered by Martin.

Based on what? Zimmerman's word?

Do black people really say "cracka" still? I thought that was a dated term to use.


his girlfriend testified that he said that on the phone to her
2013-07-13 11:08:32 PM  
2 votes:

Penman: Pincy: Penman: iq_in_binary: Because the asshole who thinks a gun in his pocket makes him a cop that decided you looked suspicious won't go to jail for shooting you after starting a fight with you and losing.

Every Trayvon cheerleader gets this wrong. Trayvon Martin started the fight.

So we have video of how this whole thing went down?

A 911 call and the injuries to Zimmerman.


I'm impressed that you have consistently not been right in your accounting of events
2013-07-13 11:08:12 PM  
2 votes:

johnnyrocket: Simple question: if you claim self defense, you need scant proof that it was self defense?


You don't need proof.  The prosection must prove that it was not self defense.   It might have been easier
if there was evedence that it was not self defence.
2013-07-13 11:07:03 PM  
2 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: casual disregard: Lionel Mandrake: NOT GUILTY!!

JUST LIKE OJ!!

The jury decided.

That's how it works in our justice system. No posthumous verdicts from the bench, no guilt presumed upon accusation, no tribal dances, no bribes or other bullcrap. The jury decided.

And they decided correctly.

That's what happens when rednecks write stupid laws: bad things happen, but nobody did anything wrong.



Really?  Only southern states have self defense?  Amazing.
And you're not a bigot at all.  Everyone who might disagree with you is a redneck.
2013-07-13 11:06:45 PM  
2 votes:

KingKauff: najay1: i love pancakes, but can't eat them :( (too much sugar)

Being a sufferer of acid reflux, I can't eat pancakes because it sort of clogs up the upper region of the esophagus and makes life a small, short living hell for me


Get tested for H.Pylori
2013-07-13 11:05:17 PM  
2 votes:
As a Floridian, I'm spending tonight awake with weapons at hand in case of a home invasion.

/Won't be going outside at all tomorrow
2013-07-13 11:04:32 PM  
2 votes:
I think there's a positive lesson we can all learn from this tragedy:

Make sure you're the only one left standing after you start an altercation.
2013-07-13 11:03:50 PM  
2 votes:

Mighty Taternuts: MatrixOutsider: Mighty Taternuts: Raiden333: As the case went on, I started to realize that the case had been mischaracterized in the media and that there was in fact Reasonable Doubt. I saw that the prosecution was unable to establish a consistent narrative of what happened, and relied only on attacking Zimmerman's character and evoking emotion for Martin. I am sad that Martin is dead, it should not have happened. Both men made stupid mistakes that night. I don't know Zimmerman well enough to make a call on if he truly had ill-will in his heart. But I am happy a not guilty verdict was reached, because it means that evidence and the process of law have overridden appeals to emotion.

He chased a kid that did nothing wrong after the 911 operator told him not to, how is that not ill-will?

The operator does not have the authority to issue a police command.

That isn't what I asked. Following an innocent person with the intent of stopping them because you feel they may have done something wrong is ill-will.


There is no proof that is what happened. He started following Martin when the dispatcher asked "which way is he running" and started returning to his car when the dispatcher said they didn't need him to follow Martin. The state didn't have any evidence that Zimmerman intended to confront martin.
2013-07-13 11:02:23 PM  
2 votes:

Rwa2play: Coco LaFemme: Of course he got off.  All you need to do anymore to get away with murder is say you felt "threatened."  Doesn't matter what color anyone is in this equation.  Two white people, two black people, mixed...doesn't really matter.  As long as you the shooter tell the jury that you were afraid for your life, you could justify killing an infant if it came down to it.

That's how farked up this country is right now.

It's gonna be fun when the tables are turned:  Older black man shoots white meth head trying to rob him but was fleeing when shot.  Wonder if some on right will be so elated with "Stand Your Ground".


/sigh
That's not self defense
2013-07-13 11:01:57 PM  
2 votes:

Penman: AirForceVet: But I was once a 17-year-old male, walking in my Florida neighborhood at night after going to the local store. Glad no Zimmernam followed me in their car, carrying a gun.

You had the mental faculties necessary to realize it's a bad idea to turn around and attack anyone who comes within 50 feet of you.


Actually, with how this case went, it's turning out more and more that it's a very good idea to preemptively shoot people who won't let you get outside of 50 feet of them.

Because the asshole who thinks a gun in his pocket makes him a cop that decided you looked suspicious won't go to jail for shooting you after starting a fight with you and losing.
2013-07-13 11:00:51 PM  
2 votes:

AirForceVet: I'm very unhappy Martin is dead. I honestly believe Zimmerman caused the altercation to happen by his actions. But I accept the jury's decision that Zimmerman didn't murder him nor committed manslaughter.

But I was once a 17-year-old male, walking in my Florida neighborhood at night after going to the local store. Glad no Zimmernam followed me in their car, carrying a gun.


Because you would have started a fight with him?
2013-07-13 11:00:31 PM  
2 votes:

The DBS: UNC_Samurai: Raiden333: My personal opinion:

Before the trial, I did no research, I only heard what the mainstream media reported, including the chopped up 911 call NBC played.

When the trial started, I listened to it every day at work, starting out rooting for the prosecution.

As the case went on, I started to realize that the case had been mischaracterized in the media and that there was in fact Reasonable Doubt. I saw that the prosecution was unable to establish a consistent narrative of what happened, and relied only on attacking Zimmerman's character and evoking emotion for Martin. I am sad that Martin is dead, it should not have happened. Both men made stupid mistakes that night. I don't know Zimmerman well enough to make a call on if he truly had ill-will in his heart. But I am happy a not guilty verdict was reached, because it means that evidence and the process of law have overridden appeals to emotion.

Didn't they find Zimmerman liable in the wrongful death suit. They at least recognized he was negligent in his actions.


What wrongful death suit?
d23 [BareFark]
2013-07-13 10:59:59 PM  
2 votes:

doccm9: heavymetal: I think it was a clear case of manslaughter due to Zimmerman's negligence. Unfortunately the over reached trying to argue a murder case instead of arguing manslaughter. All they would have had to prove is that George Zimmerman actions caused the unnecessary death of Trayvon Martin and nothing involving motive and such.

Personally I do not think it's right that in Florida you can pretty much provoke someone, shoot them dead if they start kicking your ass, and then get off free claiming self defense.

Sadly, this.


Yeah. this.
2013-07-13 10:59:45 PM  
2 votes:
Hell naw. I already raised this issue, and voted for french toast and having home-grown blueberries and black raspberries over the top, with real maple syrup and lots of butter.

On the Zimmerman topic, I'm amazed and gratified we saw justice done. I hope Zimmerman and everyone else stays safe tonight, and every other night.
2013-07-13 10:58:55 PM  
2 votes:
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
2013-07-13 10:57:45 PM  
2 votes:
I am having luftwaffles
2013-07-13 10:57:20 PM  
2 votes:
gifs.gifbin.com
2013-07-13 10:57:16 PM  
2 votes:

make me some tea: Who the hell wants to loot poor people?


Bankers?
2013-07-13 10:56:32 PM  
2 votes:
'... so tis over man?'
'Nah man!'

and now a black panther guy with a french hat is screaming.
2013-07-13 10:55:29 PM  
2 votes:
Free at last, free at last, hallelujah he's free at last. Now let's go linch the DA and prosecutor for misconduct and make sure they get some serious jail time and get millions for the heroic IT guy who exposed their crimes against justice.
2013-07-13 10:53:31 PM  
2 votes:

Coco LaFemme: Of course he got off.  All you need to do anymore to get away with murder is say you felt "threatened."  Doesn't matter what color anyone is in this equation.  Two white people, two black people, mixed...doesn't really matter.  As long as you the shooter tell the jury that you were afraid for your life, you could justify killing an infant if it came down to it.

That's how farked up this country is right now.


It's gonna be fun when the tables are turned:  Older black man shoots white meth head trying to rob him but was fleeing when shot.  Wonder if some on right will be so elated with "Stand Your Ground".
2013-07-13 10:53:30 PM  
2 votes:

Mighty Taternuts: Raiden333: As the case went on, I started to realize that the case had been mischaracterized in the media and that there was in fact Reasonable Doubt. I saw that the prosecution was unable to establish a consistent narrative of what happened, and relied only on attacking Zimmerman's character and evoking emotion for Martin. I am sad that Martin is dead, it should not have happened. Both men made stupid mistakes that night. I don't know Zimmerman well enough to make a call on if he truly had ill-will in his heart. But I am happy a not guilty verdict was reached, because it means that evidence and the process of law have overridden appeals to emotion.

He chased a kid that did nothing wrong after the 911 operator told him not to, how is that not ill-will?


The operator does not have the authority to issue a police command.
2013-07-13 10:52:25 PM  
2 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Zimmerman is in good company:

[img2-2.timeinc.net image 400x300]


Your butt... How badly does it hurt?
2013-07-13 10:51:30 PM  
2 votes:

Pardon Me Sultan: Still not as sickening as

Black Woman Gets 20 Years for Firing Shot at Wall; White Man Gets 0 Years for Shooting Man in the Back 3 Times, Killing Him

http://www.alternet.org/stand-your-ground-double-standard


Oh please. Anyone doing a google search on that case would find the facts come no where close to what you say. There was even a fark thread about it.
2013-07-13 10:50:53 PM  
2 votes:
I'm aware this is a major national news story - and IMO a horrible one, justice was not served - but it still merits the Florida tag.
2013-07-13 10:50:47 PM  
2 votes:
Zimmerman is in good company:

img2-2.timeinc.net
2013-07-13 10:49:22 PM  
2 votes:

KingKauff: Waffles are much better when it comes to containing the melted butter and syrup because it has all those little squares to keep it all in.


This is so win it almost made my head explode.
2013-07-13 10:47:51 PM  
2 votes:
Allow me to be the first to say dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit, dammit.

/dammit
2013-07-13 10:47:43 PM  
2 votes:
Raiden333: As the case went on, I started to realize that the case had been mischaracterized in the media and that there was in fact Reasonable Doubt. I saw that the prosecution was unable to establish a consistent narrative of what happened, and relied only on attacking Zimmerman's character and evoking emotion for Martin. I am sad that Martin is dead, it should not have happened. Both men made stupid mistakes that night. I don't know Zimmerman well enough to make a call on if he truly had ill-will in his heart. But I am happy a not guilty verdict was reached, because it means that evidence and the process of law have overridden appeals to emotion.

He chased a kid that did nothing wrong after the 911 operator told him not to, how is that not ill-will?
ecl [TotalFark] [BareFark]
2013-07-13 10:47:23 PM  
2 votes:
Sissies with guns everywhere rejoice.
2013-07-13 10:46:20 PM  
2 votes:
French toast, you godless heathens.
2013-07-13 10:45:38 PM  
2 votes:

steamingpile: Duh, now where are all the fark lawyers who said he was going to jail when this first happened.


I don't think any of the actual lawyers said that. Most said nothing, the few that did speak said he was gonna walk unless something new came out. Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat
2013-07-13 10:45:24 PM  
2 votes:
static.tumblr.com

Seen stocking up on drop cloths at the local Home Depot.
2013-07-13 10:44:44 PM  
2 votes:
How soon till Barry's DOJ files civil rights violation?
2013-07-13 10:44:24 PM  
2 votes:

tbaughm: SphericalTime: Okay, after Florida burns down, what state's tag will replace it on Fark?
- DrewCurtis (@DrewCurtis) July 14, 2013

I'm going to go with Texas or Ohio.

Ohio. We're farking dumb here.


My vote is for Arizona
2013-07-13 10:44:01 PM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: if florida burns to the ground before monday morning...would anyone actually care?


It's hard to get water-logged swamplands to burn down.
2013-07-13 10:43:00 PM  
2 votes:
Bit odd that the thread with all the comments gets the red but this random one goes green...
2013-07-13 10:42:08 PM  
2 votes:
Okay, after Florida burns down, what state's tag will replace it on Fark?
- DrewCurtis (@DrewCurtis) July 14, 2013

I'm going to go with Texas or Ohio.
2013-07-13 10:41:32 PM  
2 votes:
Duh, now where are all the fark lawyers who said he was going to jail when this first happened.

And where's the riots, I need new headphones.
2013-07-13 10:41:22 PM  
2 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: NOT GUILTY!!

JUST LIKE OJ!!


not really anything approaching OJ
2013-07-13 10:41:09 PM  
2 votes:

cman: NuclearPenguins: TF voters, I am disappoint.

This wasn't us

We voted one up to 8 votes

We were ignored


This. We had a pretty full thread going with the simple "not guilty" headline. I'm surprised they went with this one.
2013-07-13 10:41:01 PM  
2 votes:
This will go over well.
2013-07-13 10:40:06 PM  
2 votes:
Can't we all just get along?
2013-07-13 10:40:05 PM  
2 votes:
Justice is served, everyone is happy!
2013-07-13 10:39:38 PM  
2 votes:
(popcorn.gif)
2013-07-13 10:39:15 PM  
2 votes:
TF voters, I am disappoint.
2013-07-13 10:39:00 PM  
2 votes:
YOU WENT WITH THIS?

Are you "Delete the politics queue" drunk again ?
2013-07-14 02:55:28 PM  
1 vote:

Wessoman: Popcorn Johnny: Wessoman: It's like racist Christmas.

I know, now the racists on TV, Twitter and Facebook can keep screaming about how Zimmerman got away with murder.

Yes, because when a sorta-white man kills an innocent black kid, and you tweet how you believe the verdict is unfair, that's racist.


He wasnt innocent. He assaulted somone. That makes him a punk.
2013-07-14 02:07:16 PM  
1 vote:

steamingpile: RockSteadyUSMC: The judicial system worked exactly how it's supposed to. There was enough reasonable doubt to acquit, and that was how it should be. The judicial system convicts based on facts and should prove beyond a reasonable doubt, not convict based on public opinion.

/USMC MP
//Yes I have a clue

Then you are obviously a racist sir!


That would be "ma'am" to you.
2013-07-14 01:44:16 PM  
1 vote:

Wessoman: It's like racist Christmas.


I know, now the racists on TV, Twitter and Facebook can keep screaming about how Zimmerman got away with murder.
2013-07-14 01:40:25 PM  
1 vote:

Wessoman: It's like racist Christmas.


But, the racists didn't get what they wanted!

Poor racists.....
2013-07-14 01:20:15 PM  
1 vote:

Riotboy: Fark George Zimmerman!

/and nuke Florida from space


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Florida - The Sunshinedown State.
2013-07-14 12:23:26 PM  
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Greymalkin: Careful with the pancakes...
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Have fun USofA
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From:  http://www.news.com.au/world-news/angry-protests-follow-george-zimmer m an-acquittal-over-the-death-of-trayvon-martin/story-fndir2ev-122667931 1787


Chicago? Where? I think they got Oakland mixed up with Chicago, hell our own news has pictures showing Oakland and San Fran protest
2013-07-14 12:22:33 PM  
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So hunting season is open in Florida.

I swear to god if somebody starts knocking at my door for the obviously satirical post, which I am pointing out right now through this disclaimer, i will kill you.  Which that last statement, should not be taken literally either, I meant that as a euphemism, for inviting you in for tea and crumpets, while we have a long discussion about our lord and savior.

Capisce?
2013-07-14 11:11:21 AM  
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honestly, entire thread ruined by pancake bullshiat, want to read, don't want to read so much bullshiat, ill blame the mods since they picked this much shiattier version of the thread with built in off topic.
2013-07-14 11:09:06 AM  
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thornhill: In the heat of the moment when an authority figure says, "we don't need you to do that," that's going to be interpreted as, "don't do it," not, "this person is only phrasing it this way because of liability reason."


What authority does a dispatcher have over anyone?
2013-07-14 11:03:50 AM  
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I want to state unequivocally that I am pleased with this verdict. I have stated from the start the prosecution did not have a case and would race bait and appeal to emotion. Fortunately, the jury did what the law required.

Now we need to see about bringing up misconduct charges on the prosecutors and judge.
2013-07-14 10:53:49 AM  
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TheDumbBlonde: mr lawson: So a Hispanic shoots a black and is acquitted by women, but it's still white men's fault.

Dude, it's always a white guy;s fault.


What's really funny about comments like this is how it reveals your own racism and ignorance. To you, Zimmerman is "Hispanic" because he's not as pale as a Northern-European, but most light-skinned Hispanics with clearly non-native names don't think of themselves as Hispanic; they think of themselves as White. Racism is actually a huge problem in central and South America as the "Spanish" and "Portuguese" (and in Mexico at least they still call themselves that) behave in exactly the same way towards the "mestizos" and "indios" as white racists do towards everyone else in the US.
2013-07-14 10:32:35 AM  
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thenewmissus: This black woman is planning on purchasing a gun of my own. I don't want to get shot coming from the local store.

/scared for my black son who lives in Florida
//racism is back.......loud and proud
///racism.....just like a bad spouse.....never really left.


By all means buy a gun if you need one...but for the love of god, practice with it regularly, and keep it secure, especially if you ever have kids in the house.
2013-07-14 10:27:09 AM  
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Stormfront or Fark.  I can't tell anymore.
2013-07-14 10:17:12 AM  
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Weaver95: if florida burns to the ground before monday morning...would anyone actually care?


Florida won't burn to the ground because, contrary to what conservatives would have you believe, neither blacks nor liberals are irrational, emotion-crazed barbarians who instantly react to things they dislike with violence. Remember: it was white conservatives who started a civil war in the US over not having a president that agreed with them; white conservatives that have been behind all but three of the notable political assassinations in US history; white conservatives who burn down and blow up women's health clinics and shoot to death the doctors and nurses who work at them; white conservatives who lynch non-white and non-christian men for interacting with white women or for the crime of insisting they have basic human dignity. And in this case, it was a white-identifying Latino, one who bought into all the paranoid horseshiat the conservative movement spews about race, youth, and crime, who shot a kid to death in the street at night out of fear, after confronting him out of prejudice for the offense of being black in his own damn neighborhood.

Remember that white and white-identifying US conservatives are dangerous. They are responsible for tens of thousands of deaths and injuries in the US every year. Remember that they are hysterical and unpredictable, and will deploy violence without reason. Make no sudden movements around them and, if you are a minority of any kind, interact with them as little as possible. If you are not a white male, you are not safe around them; if you must interact with them, please seek out a friendly white male to do it for you. In their bottomless, pants-shiatting fear of everyone who isn't Northern-European and be-penised, they will shoot you at the drop of a hat, and never be punished for it. Just ask Yoshihiro Hattori.
2013-07-14 10:03:43 AM  
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The trial seems to reveal that Trayvon was a piece of shiat at the beginning of his criminal career; he's dead now, missing out on years of incarceration
2013-07-14 09:51:16 AM  
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Lorelle: That's because he killed a black kid. They're ALWAYS up to no good, you know.


Well this one certainly was.
2013-07-14 09:47:25 AM  
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oregon fubaralas: When the 911 dispatcher told him to not follow, Zimmerman legally gave up all right to use the standard ground defense. The jury was instructed to IGNORE that law.

Zimmerman will lose on appeal though. But by then, the damage will be done.


Everything you said is wrong.
2013-07-14 09:43:35 AM  
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Witness99: Sonny Hostin is still arguing on CNN that 2nd degree murder was proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Wanting it be true doesn't make it true.


Well ... in his defense ... he's a liberal.  And for a liberal, behaving as if something is true because he wants it to be is pretty much standard operating procedure.
2013-07-14 09:40:04 AM  
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Somacandra: I'll just leave this here for thought. We need some goddamn common sense.


OK, you first. Go.
2013-07-14 09:38:06 AM  
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DOJ already tried to push civil rights charges. They could find no evidence of racism. Now NAACP wants them to try again?

Seriously?
2013-07-14 09:36:09 AM  
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i.imgur.com

I'll just leave this here for thought. We need some goddamn common sense.
2013-07-14 09:18:09 AM  
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thornhill: nekom: shastacola:
Speculation about the dead kid who can't tell his side of the story because he's dead-totally legit.Speculation that Zimmerman tailored his story to look like self defense- not based on fact. Right.

I'll admit that the beginning of the physical altercation isn't known 100%, but do you REALLY think Martin DIDN'T attack him?  It is the most likely scenario, given what facts we do have.  Proven?  No.  But likely.

Even if he did attack him, that still doesn't mean Zimmerman was so fearful that he would die that he felt his only option was to kill Martin.

The bottom line is that Zimmerman followed Martin against the orders of the police -- how fearful could he have really have been, especially considering that he had a gun?


You can't really still think these things can you?
2013-07-14 09:12:33 AM  
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You put the punk in the same class as Medger Evers and Emmit Teal and want to be taken seriously.

Shame, shame, shame.
2013-07-14 08:27:57 AM  
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rdu_voyager: Weaver95: LegacyDL: Lesson learned: listen to authority and don't be the aggressor.

I think the lesson here is: don't be black.

Actually, I think the lesson is: if you defend yourself against a football playing, physically fit, aggressive 17-year-old who happens to be black, the state of Florida will try to railroad your ass no matter how little evidence of murder or manslaughter there is.


Maybe the lesson is this: if the person you are pummeling is screaming for help like a little girl, you should probably stop or he might think the only choice he
has is to pull out his gun and shoot you.
2013-07-14 08:25:30 AM  
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Heron: UNC_Samurai: This is about the prosecution being unable to put together a compelling case.

You don't go to jail just for being proven a racist asshole.

I think it's more the jury not understanding their instruction. 2nd degree murder was a stretch, but an armed person starting an altercation which ends in the death of another is classic manslaughter. That they didn't convict on that charge shows they either didn't understand the conditions for that verdict, or chose not to apply them.


Just because you are armed does not mean you cannot ask someone "What are you doing here". Zimmerman had every right to do what he did. Martin initiated the attack. This is a classic case of self defense, the jury did the right thing.
2013-07-14 08:23:11 AM  
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WhyteRaven74: Demonrats: The similarities are that neither the rape victim or Zimmerman did anything illegal.

Except for the whole stalking someone thing, it's illegal everywhere to just follow someone for the purposes of intimidation. Also for all we know, and there's no way he'd fess up to it, he might have had his gun drawn the whole time. In which case Martin would've been well within his rights to stand his ground.


Seriously, shut up.

If people really think like you, this country is doomed. Thug tried to kill someone, ended up dead. Happy ending. This whole case shows just how racist liberals and minorities in this country are. When they are the majority, what then? Slavery?
2013-07-14 08:20:31 AM  
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UNC_Samurai: This is about the prosecution being unable to put together a compelling case.

You don't go to jail just for being proven a racist asshole.


I think it's more the jury not understanding their instruction. 2nd degree murder was a stretch, but an armed person starting an altercation which ends in the death of another is classic manslaughter. That they didn't convict on that charge shows they either didn't understand the conditions for that verdict, or chose not to apply them.
2013-07-14 08:11:46 AM  
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shastacola: ontariolightning: In other news


(CBS News) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - A Florida woman who fired warning shots against her allegedly abusive husband has been sentenced to 20 years in prison.

Marissa Alexander of Jacksonville had said the state's "Stand Your Ground" law should apply to her because she was defending herself against her allegedly abusive husband when she fired warning shots inside her home in August 2010. She told police it was to escape a brutal beating by her husband, against whom she had already taken out a protective order.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-f or -firing-warning-shots/

Southern justice,if you're a racist ,you're celebratin' it.


Hold on let me go get my gun. *Comes back, fires "warning shot"* at head level.....

/RACISM!
2013-07-14 07:51:21 AM  
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shastacola: MagSeven: shastacola: Mid_mo_mad_man: Zimmerman was found not guilty. If one followed the court everyday this was an easy verdict to reach. It's clear Martin was not scared of Zimmerman but he was angry. Martin was a thug with a violent past. He was on marijuana and didn't have a clear rational head. Zimmerman had a legal right to follow Martin. He had the right to call 911. No law was broken till Martin jumped George. Once that happened he was in his rights to shot Martin. No tears should be shed for Martin.

Ever notice how many Zimmerman fans feel a need to paint Martin as a thug? What was any more "thuggish" about him than most teenagers? He got suspended from school for graffiti,truancy and pot. Please explain how this makes him a "violent thug".

Well, the actual violence he participated in, referring to your last sentence. But I am really starting to hate the word thug. It's starting to become the "N-word" when you cant say the actual phrase "N-word".  How far down the rabbit hole will these hyphenated code words delve?

It is the new N word,it's become very obvious.


Jersey Shore-style guidos get called "thugs" all the time in New Jersey (actually, they probably get called "thugs" more than they get called "guidos", but I digress ...).  It's a race neutral term.
2013-07-14 07:45:27 AM  
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shastacola: Mid_mo_mad_man: Zimmerman was found not guilty. If one followed the court everyday this was an easy verdict to reach. It's clear Martin was not scared of Zimmerman but he was angry. Martin was a thug with a violent past. He was on marijuana and didn't have a clear rational head. Zimmerman had a legal right to follow Martin. He had the right to call 911. No law was broken till Martin jumped George. Once that happened he was in his rights to shot Martin. No tears should be shed for Martin.

Ever notice how many Zimmerman fans feel a need to paint Martin as a thug? What was any more "thuggish" about him than most teenagers? He got suspended from school for graffiti,truancy and pot. Please explain how this makes him a "violent thug".


Somehow I do not consider frequent truancy , having an illegal substance on campus, vandalizing property with graffiti, being caught a with burglary tools and women's jewelry and assaulting a bus driver as normal/non-thug behavior.

Perhaps the problem is not Zimmerman but he low expectation of what is acceptable behavior set for Americas' youth by "progressives" and the rap/thug cultures in this country..
m00
2013-07-14 07:28:07 AM  
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poot_rootbeer: The court system works, it's our culture that's broken.


I agree with this statement, but maybe for a different reason. People don't understand the purpose of the courts, and the media isn't helping. It's possible that Zimmerman was wrong but not legally culpable. The purpose of the justice system isn't to right wrongs, it isn't a theater to play out a media-driven narrative. It is to determine whether a person's actions fit the legal definition of a specific crime. In our society, murder comes with intent and manslaughter comes with malice. Furthermore, it's the job of a jury to determine the facts of a case after hearing evidence.

If the jury, after hearing the evidence, determined that the prosecution failed to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Zimmerman had either malice or intent to kill then Zimmerman is not guilty of the crimes charged by the prosecution.

I believe the jury made the correct conclusion; it is not the role of the courts to fulfill the political theater fantasies of the media.
2013-07-14 06:22:05 AM  
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gilgigamesh: Man, am I shocked to see this thread is full of keyboard racists in a disappointed white knuckle rage that their predictions of riots failed to come true.

Maybe you can feel better if you break something.


Riiiight. Because it was an army of white people on Twitter saying they were going to go out and kill/loot/rape.

Your tears are delicious.
2013-07-14 06:00:58 AM  
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Man, am I shocked to see this thread is full of keyboard racists in a disappointed white knuckle rage that their predictions of riots failed to come true.

Maybe you can feel better if you break something.
2013-07-14 05:29:01 AM  
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So I figure between this and Casey Anthony Central Florida has the absolute dumbest jurors in the United States, I hate the fact I live here.
2013-07-14 05:18:23 AM  
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ThatDarkFellow: Treygreen13: ThatDarkFellow: #justiceformcdonalds

I wonder if Trayvon would have wanted these guys to half-heartedly block the pedestrian crossing for a few hours in his honor.

Trayvon Martin would have been leading the charge. Fact.


Fun Fact: Trayvon would have wanted a large protest.  One that all his neighbors attended so he could burglarize their empty houses for drug money.   That's what he did to to get suspended from school and sent to dads.
2013-07-14 05:14:52 AM  
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Lionel Mandrake: NOT GUILTY!!

JUST LIKE OJ!!


This.  I haven't used the phrase "miscarriage of justice" in almost a decade, but this seems like a good time to dust it off.  On the upside, Zimmerman's life is still ruined, so atleast he has that going for him.

/that kind of thing happens when you murder someone over the color of their skin
//he'll get over away with it
2013-07-14 05:10:24 AM  
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So an innocent man was found not guilty? The system works.
2013-07-14 05:08:28 AM  
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The important thing is it went to trial. Previously it had the appearance of the police just accepting the self defence claim at face value without a proper investigation, and that would set a dangerous precedent.
2013-07-14 04:55:00 AM  
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Curious: i'd bet a months pay he made a comment that was offensive enough to start one


I'm in.

No comment is offensive enough to assault someone, legally.
2013-07-14 04:33:37 AM  
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Curious: Dimensio: Mr. Zimmerman's defense argued that Mr. Zimmerman was suffering a physical attack at the time that he used deadly force.

reading the jury instruction as to justif