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gja [TotalFark]
2013-07-14 11:15:35 AM

shower_in_my_socks: EvilRacistNaziFascist: I'll tell you something, and this goes for 99.9% of the people like me who you probably despise: no matter what your racial background might be, if you are trying to beat us to death we will resist you using any means necessary; and if we are armed and can save our lives by shooting your thug ass dead, we will do it. Consider yourselves forewarned.

And if you stalk me at night and then accost me, I'm going to get punchy. And if you respond by shooting me point-blank in the heart, and then get away with it, my friends and family will hunt you down like a dog. Consider yourself forewarned.


mememagnetic.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-14 11:16:06 AM
Can someone explain the pancake thing?
 
2013-07-14 11:17:11 AM
Great waste of taxpayer money.
Bait the race, bait the race!
 
2013-07-14 11:18:15 AM

gja: shower_in_my_socks: EvilRacistNaziFascist: I'll tell you something, and this goes for 99.9% of the people like me who you probably despise: no matter what your racial background might be, if you are trying to beat us to death we will resist you using any means necessary; and if we are armed and can save our lives by shooting your thug ass dead, we will do it. Consider yourselves forewarned.

And if you stalk me at night and then accost me, I'm going to get punchy. And if you respond by shooting me point-blank in the heart, and then get away with it, my friends and family will hunt you down like a dog. Consider yourself forewarned.

[mememagnetic.files.wordpress.com image 645x499]


Zimmerit better be watching his back, I'd say.
 
2013-07-14 11:18:23 AM

Molavian: thornhill: In the heat of the moment when an authority figure says, "we don't need you to do that," that's going to be interpreted as, "don't do it," not, "this person is only phrasing it this way because of liability reason."

What authority does a dispatcher have over anyone?


I wondered that myself.  He isnt a cop.  His only job is to relay a concern from a civilian to the cops.
 
2013-07-14 11:19:47 AM

Igor Jakovsky: PunGent: Igor Jakovsky: Southern100: Elegy: Southern100: s2s2s2: Lionel Mandrake: therhinodep: If it makes some of you feel better, I just heard Zimmerman did not walk away from this totally unscathed.  He has been demoted from neighborhood watch captain to neighborhood watch lieutenant.

Did they takes away his gun?

Is he going to have to stab his way to an acquittal now?

Gave him back his gun, kept his bullets.

The gun is garbage. Have you seen it? It's all bent up. The tube is bent up, the slide is unable to close because of it.. Probably because of the point blank shot. The gun will never be used again.

Meh, PF-9's cost something like 200 bucks. They're pretty disposable.

I know, just seems kinda pointless to give it back to him, although I guess he can frame it.

The tube barrel is at angle because the slide is pulled back and locked. If you release the slide it will go back to straight. Its not really bent unless I'm missing something else in that picture

Huh...never fired one...seems like an odd design for a pistol.  Any mechanical advantage?
Here is one broken down. The barrel is on a pivot and flips upward slightly when fired. I imagine the advantage has to do with lessening recoil and stress on the gun. The barrel itself is also pretty small only being a few inches long. I have fired one before and the trigger has a real heavy draw. You get tired of shooting it pretty quick, it is not exactly the most fun thing to take to the range.
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Has more to do with stripping a new round into the chamber, actually. Short recoil actions like that run into a ton of problems with the reloading phase of semi-auto operation. Started with the Colt 1911 (1903 was fixed barrel despite popular misconception) and kept going. The barrel angles backwards and down to align the chamber throat into a less steep angle, reducing the chances that the slug would run into the throat and jam. We call these types of pistol actions "Browning Style."
 
2013-07-14 11:19:57 AM

Lorelle: Curious: Nutsac_Jim: the appearance of danger must have been so real that a reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances would have believed that the danger could be avoided only through the use of that force.

zimmerman wasn't reasonably cautious nor prudent or he would have been waiting in his vehicle. as he had agreed to do. (read the transcripts of the 911 call) also if he really thought martin was going to cause him grevious harm then he'd never been in a fight before. zimmerman, in violation of his neighborhood watch training, went looking for martin -- with a gun -- a gun he had been told to leave home while on "patrol".

i am disappointed that so many fail to see that zimmerman was the aggressor here. and it backfired on him. and yet so many excuse him.

That's because he killed a black kid. They're ALWAYS up to no good, you know.


Killing a black kid is not his job, that job is obviously left up to another black kid.
 
2013-07-14 11:20:16 AM
How long until he's the "victim" of an initiation drive-by?

No big loss.
 
2013-07-14 11:21:22 AM

aerojockey: Something occurred to me as I read this. Say (hypothetically, don't know if it's true or not) Zimmerman did get out of his car and assault Martin unprovoked. Say Martin fought back. Say Zimmerman was in fear of his life and shot Martin. Could Zimmerman be potentially found guilty of felony murder?

I know that wasn't the prosecution's case, but.


This got brought up in the trial. There are a couple of problems, but the big one is that felony murder (killing someone while committing some other crime) can't be used by itself. It has to be paired with a second charge: the "other crime."

In your case, I assume that you would use the unprovoked assault as the "other crime." The prosecution didn't list that: the only act they tried him for was the killing itself. They could have listed it, but would then have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman committed that assault unprovoked. If they couldn't, then the felony murder charge would also fall apart, as the "other crime" would vanish.

tl;dr version - If you could prove the unprovoked assault strongly enough to convict him of it, then it could have worked. But the prosecution didn't even set up to try that.
 
2013-07-14 11:22:35 AM
wwwnc.cdc.gov

NEWSFLASH! White people live here.
 
2013-07-14 11:23:42 AM

WillofJ2: Can someone explain the pancake thing?


Please.

Oh, and by the way. George Zimmerman is not a hero. He's a coward and a fat little shiat who hid behind a gun.
 
2013-07-14 11:23:43 AM
d23

Huh? So you are positing that suddenly Martin changed direction and started going after Zimmerman? Because that's the only scenario I can see where this makes any sense.

Oddly enough, that's what Martin's friend (Jeantel) testified. He made it to his father's woman's house. He went back and confronted Zimmerman.
 
2013-07-14 11:25:37 AM
I'm just guessing here... but my guess is that if Trayvon hadn't broken a persons nose, he would not have gotten shot.
 
2013-07-14 11:27:14 AM

DoctorCal: Southern100: My apologies, I thought the "Could" was implied, since the facts of the this particular case has already proven that he performed no specific actions that would have justified the use of deadly force by TM.

Patently false. The facts of this case proved that there was reasonable doubt about whether Zimmerman killed Martin in a manner that meets the elements of either murder2 or man. Had the confrontation ended in Zimmerman's death, Martin would have been afforded the same "reasonable doubt".


This. If we assume that Martin had lived, and that he claimed self-defense, and that the same evidence was used in his trial as was used in this one, then he should have gotten the same verdict.

This is not a case about anyone deserving to die. It is, at the absolute best, about someone doing what he had to do to survive. "I had to kill him" does not mean "He needed killing."
 
2013-07-14 11:28:47 AM

moefuggenbrew: I'm just guessing here... but my guess is that if Trayvon hadn't broken a persons nose, he would not have gotten shot.


I wonder why people don't understand that, when you punch a grown man that obviously fights like a 6 year old girl that is carrying a gun you may be shot.
 
2013-07-14 11:29:22 AM

Facetious_Speciest: d23

Huh? So you are positing that suddenly Martin changed direction and started going after Zimmerman? Because that's the only scenario I can see where this makes any sense.

Oddly enough, that's what Martin's friend (Jeantel) testified. He made it to his father's woman's house. He went back and confronted Zimmerman.


I heard that too. I had suspicions that what he was really doing at the store was getting a blunt. So it's possible that he made it home to stash his weed/blunt, then went out looking for the guy who was following him.
 
2013-07-14 11:29:31 AM
So Zimmerman's brother is on CNN right now.

Talking about death threats.

You know what? Good. Live life looking over your shoulder, now you know how your victim feels like.
 
2013-07-14 11:30:46 AM

mikeray: moefuggenbrew: I'm just guessing here... but my guess is that if Trayvon hadn't broken a persons nose, he would not have gotten shot.

I wonder why people don't understand that, when you punch a grown man that obviously fights like a 6 year old girl that is carrying a gun you may be shot.


:)

Ok, I'm stealing that.

/carries a gun
//keeps it in the damn holster in a fist fight, because he's not an idiot
 
2013-07-14 11:32:16 AM
 
2013-07-14 11:38:29 AM

Amos Quito: sillydragon: torquestripe: RIOTS! Where have the riots gone?
AND BLOODLETTING! Someone has to pay with blood!
Whar is the rioting and bloodletting, whar!

Well, there appear to be blah people rioting and torching things in the little pocket universe inside Amos Quitos' skull. Out here in reality, it seems pretty quiet. There was a guy streaming from Chicago, but I think the batteries on his phone gave out or something. Most aggressive thing I saw was a guy wearing a "Fark the police"-type t-shirt. Hell, they were even waiting to cross with the light at intersections.


Hey, sillydragon - I really hope that this all fizzles -  that the Sharptons, the Jacksons, the Spike Lees and the OBAMA's are TOTALLY disappointed that their little attempt at division through race-baiting failed like Zimmerman's prosecutors.

Zimmerman wasn't initially prosecuted because there was no evidence that he COULD be successfully prosecuted. The ONLY reason this went forward was because the racial firebrands and their obedient media pushed it because it served their agenda.

If there is no civil unrest, the race-baiters have failed, and that's all right by me.

Cheers.


It's good to see that you've diversified your derp.

So, now that it's the next day...have any serious riots actually occurred? Mass looting and arson? I'll bet Sanford is even still standing... All I've been able to find was a derpy blog linking to some pics from Oakland of a couple of police cruisers with busted windows and some spray paint. And a door with broken glass. Oh, and a burning McDonald's flag. Am I somehow missing the mayhem and chaos somewhere?
 
2013-07-14 11:39:37 AM

d23: Huh? So you are positing that suddenly Martin changed direction and started going after Zimmerman?  Because that's the only scenario I can see where this makes any sense.


All we know as a fact is that the shooting happened very close to the T intersection where Zimmerman was while on the phone. If Trayvon continued running past that T and didn't come back, how did he end up dead in the grass where he was?

Go ahead, I'll wait.
 
2013-07-14 11:43:06 AM
Has the thread gone Nat Turner yet?
 
2013-07-14 11:45:49 AM

wedun: This might come to a shock to some people, but there are Fully Hispanic people with white skin.


The first time I watched Telemundo I wondered where they found all those hot white chicks that spoke impeccable Spanish.
 
2013-07-14 11:47:09 AM
25.media.tumblr.com
/nom
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-14 11:50:25 AM

Popcorn Johnny: d23: Huh? So you are positing that suddenly Martin changed direction and started going after Zimmerman?  Because that's the only scenario I can see where this makes any sense.

All we know as a fact is that the shooting happened very close to the T intersection where Zimmerman was while on the phone. If Trayvon continued running past that T and didn't come back, how did he end up dead in the grass where he was?

Go ahead, I'll wait.


I'm not arguing any side here... I'm just trying to figure out what happened and why the jury decided what it did.  If he did turn around then I am starting to understand a little better.

Maybe Zimmerman wasn't tried for the right charge...
 
2013-07-14 11:52:51 AM
What I would like to see (but will most likely never happen) is a national discussion on the quality and ethics of our media. I did not closely follow this case because the media's handling of it I knew it was going to turn into a fear mongering outrage hate fest where no one really wins and there is only one clear loser; the young man who lost his life.

From what I can tell from the people in this thread who are in law enforcement is that the justice system was able to provide a fair trial somehow without the affects of the media and Zimmerman was cleared based on reasonable doubt. It also sounds like the prosecution focused on feelings rather than developing an actual case. I think this is the right call despite if I think that Zimmerman is a bigoted jerk.

If I was ever in a situation where I am accused of something I did not do or actually acted in self defense, I hope that the justice system is able to provide a fair trial.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-07-14 11:55:02 AM

Coastalgrl: What I would like to see (but will most likely never happen) is a national discussion on the quality and ethics of our media. I did not closely follow this case because the media's handling of it I knew it was going to turn into a fear mongering outrage hate fest where no one really wins and there is only one clear loser; the young man who lost his life.


This is not possible in a corporate obsessed media.  The current focus of corporate journalism is ratings not the search for truth.
 
2013-07-14 12:10:41 PM

d23: Coastalgrl: What I would like to see (but will most likely never happen) is a national discussion on the quality and ethics of our media. I did not closely follow this case because the media's handling of it I knew it was going to turn into a fear mongering outrage hate fest where no one really wins and there is only one clear loser; the young man who lost his life.

This is not possible in a corporate obsessed media.  The current focus of corporate journalism is ratings not the search for truth.


Pretty much this. The media needs to remain independent of the Government so I dont see an oversight but corporate greed has overrun the Country. I call BS on the ability of private industry to regulate themselves. The media is a fine example of this but not sure what the solution is.
 
2013-07-14 12:11:20 PM

Coastalgrl: What I would like to see (but will most likely never happen) is a national discussion on the quality and ethics of our media. I did not closely follow this case because the media's handling of it I knew it was going to turn into a fear mongering outrage hate fest where no one really wins and there is only one clear loser; the young man who lost his life.

From what I can tell from the people in this thread who are in law enforcement is that the justice system was able to provide a fair trial somehow without the affects of the media and Zimmerman was cleared based on reasonable doubt. It also sounds like the prosecution focused on feelings rather than developing an actual case. I think this is the right call despite if I think that Zimmerman is a bigoted jerk.

If I was ever in a situation where I am accused of something I did not do or actually acted in self defense, I hope that the justice system is able to provide a fair trial.


I'm not a member of law enforcement, in fact I actually worked against it. I was a legal investigator, I was the guy that found evidence for the defense. The fact that he was found not guilty by reasonable doubt doesn't piss me off. What pisses me off is that there wasn't a crime that fit what he did. He went looking for a fight, he found it, he lost, he shot the winner. That there isn't a crime that holds him liable for going looking for that fight is the problem. The "Stand Your Ground" mentality is a big reason for that. I'm a "Castle Doctrine" kind of guy myself. Anybody who accidentally opens a locked door deserves whatever fate lies beyond said door, if it happens to be me with the shotgun in my closet or even if I decide to get resourceful, yeah you earned it.

This isn't the case. Zimmerman went looking for a fight. That he's found innocent even despite that sets a VERY scary precedent. And this is coming from a guy who's so hard on self defense issues as to view even preemptive homicide justifiable if you can establish that you tried damn hard to avoid having to do it.
 
2013-07-14 12:12:18 PM

FriarReb98: In the end, he'll die after a long and miserable life or be killed quickly by the first black guy to come at him.


Maybe the next, but not the first.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-07-14 12:17:33 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: gja: shower_in_my_socks: EvilRacistNaziFascist: I'll tell you something, and this goes for 99.9% of the people like me who you probably despise: no matter what your racial background might be, if you are trying to beat us to death we will resist you using any means necessary; and if we are armed and can save our lives by shooting your thug ass dead, we will do it. Consider yourselves forewarned.

And if you stalk me at night and then accost me, I'm going to get punchy. And if you respond by shooting me point-blank in the heart, and then get away with it, my friends and family will hunt you down like a dog. Consider yourself forewarned.

[mememagnetic.files.wordpress.com image 645x499]

Zimmerit better be watching his back, I'd say.


Caution would certainly be warranted here. I would suggest he move from Florida, honestly.
And anyone looking to get in his face should be forewarned, he has guns, and will be ever-so-twitchy on the trigger.
 
2013-07-14 12:18:56 PM

gja: HotIgneous Intruder: gja: shower_in_my_socks: EvilRacistNaziFascist: I'll tell you something, and this goes for 99.9% of the people like me who you probably despise: no matter what your racial background might be, if you are trying to beat us to death we will resist you using any means necessary; and if we are armed and can save our lives by shooting your thug ass dead, we will do it. Consider yourselves forewarned.

And if you stalk me at night and then accost me, I'm going to get punchy. And if you respond by shooting me point-blank in the heart, and then get away with it, my friends and family will hunt you down like a dog. Consider yourself forewarned.

[mememagnetic.files.wordpress.com image 645x499]

Zimmerit better be watching his back, I'd say.

Caution would certainly be warranted here. I would suggest he move from Florida, honestly.
And anyone looking to get in his face should be forewarned, he has guns, and will be ever-so-twitchy on the trigger.


He has guns. Shoot him on sight. He's a threat, after all. He has guns.
 
2013-07-14 12:22:33 PM
So hunting season is open in Florida.

I swear to god if somebody starts knocking at my door for the obviously satirical post, which I am pointing out right now through this disclaimer, i will kill you.  Which that last statement, should not be taken literally either, I meant that as a euphemism, for inviting you in for tea and crumpets, while we have a long discussion about our lord and savior.

Capisce?
 
2013-07-14 12:23:26 PM

Greymalkin: Careful with the pancakes...
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Have fun USofA
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From:  http://www.news.com.au/world-news/angry-protests-follow-george-zimmer m an-acquittal-over-the-death-of-trayvon-martin/story-fndir2ev-122667931 1787


Chicago? Where? I think they got Oakland mixed up with Chicago, hell our own news has pictures showing Oakland and San Fran protest
 
2013-07-14 12:29:51 PM

Blowmonkey: So hunting season is open in Florida.

I swear to god if somebody starts knocking at my door for the obviously satirical post, which I am pointing out right now through this disclaimer, i will kill you.  Which that last statement, should not be taken literally either, I meant that as a euphemism, for inviting you in for tea and crumpets, while we have a long discussion about our lord and savior.

Capisce?


i963.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-14 12:32:54 PM
Wow,

TP and HA, possibly the worst human brings in this entire thread.
 
2013-07-14 12:33:00 PM
drjekel_mrhyde:
From:  http://www.news.com.au/world-news/angry-protests-follow-george-zimmer m an-acquittal-over-the-death-of-trayvon-martin/story-fndir2ev-122667931 1787

Chicago? Where? I think they got Oakland mixed up with Chicago, hell our own news has pictures showing Oakland and San Fran protest


Not much here in Philly, either - despite being named in that same piece. They're desperately trying to djinn up ratings over threats that don't exist.
 
2013-07-14 12:39:11 PM
Pretty obvious reading this thread who followed the actual trial, understood the evidence and self defense law, and those who got all of their case and trial information from MSNBC.
 
2013-07-14 12:41:21 PM

Jake Steed: SphericalTime: If I ...


Whoa, awesome fark handle. You've clearly got what those whack trick hoes need.
 
2013-07-14 12:42:19 PM

miked1883: Pretty obvious reading this thread who followed the actual trial, understood the evidence and self defense law, and those who got all of their case and trial information from MSNBC.


I didn't see any unbiased coverage of this case anywhere.  Of course, unbiased coverage would have been terribly boring.
 
2013-07-14 12:42:25 PM

cuzsis: Jose628: Michael Moore Verified account
@MMFlint
Trayvon was the 1 who's life was being threatened--by a guy w/ a gun chasing after him! Trayvon had the RIGHT 2 do ANYTHING 2 defend himself
https://twitter.com/MMFlint/status/356243570098835459

 Really? He *knew* Z had a gun?

 So, tell me why he attacked a guy who was armed with a gun...cause that's all kinds of stupid no matter who's the "victim".

/the amount of people who think Z and T were mind reading each other is astounding.


Yes. And for the first time in human history, Trayvon Martin screamed for his life for 38 seconds without mentioning there was a gun on him. In fact, he never mentioned it to Rachel Jeantel while he was on the phone with her.

The amount of suspended logic in this case is staggering.
 
2013-07-14 12:44:21 PM

sillydragon: Hey, sillydragon - I really hope that this all fizzles - that the Sharptons, the Jacksons, the Spike Lees and the OBAMA's are TOTALLY disappointed that their little attempt at division through race-baiting failed like Zimmerman's prosecutors.

Zimmerman wasn't initially prosecuted because there was no evidence that he COULD be successfully prosecuted. The ONLY reason this went forward was because the racial firebrands and their obedient media pushed it because it served their agenda.

If there is no civil unrest, the race-baiters have failed, and that's all right by me.

Cheers.


It's good to see that you've diversified your derp.

So, now that it's the next day...have any serious riots actually occurred? Mass looting and arson? I'll bet Sanford is even still standing... All I've been able to find was a derpy blog linking to some pics from Oakland of a couple of police cruisers with busted windows and some spray paint. And a door with broken glass. Oh, and a burning McDonald's flag. Am I somehow missing the mayhem and chaos somewhere?



See those  bolded parts up there, SillyDragon?

The verdict was just. So far little unrest. I'm pleased.

What about you? What are the Silly Voices in your head saying?
 
2013-07-14 12:50:21 PM

miked1883: Pretty obvious reading this thread who followed the actual trial, understood the evidence and self defense law, and those who got all of their case and trial information from MSNBC.


Most msnbc contributors, especially Lisa Bloom, who was on practically 24/7, were not expecting a guilty verdict.
 
2013-07-14 12:52:04 PM

shower_in_my_socks: EvilRacistNaziFascist: I'll tell you something, and this goes for 99.9% of the people like me who you probably despise: no matter what your racial background might be, if you are trying to beat us to death we will resist you using any means necessary; and if we are armed and can save our lives by shooting your thug ass dead, we will do it. Consider yourselves forewarned.

And if you stalk me at night and then accost me, I'm going to get punchy. And if you respond by shooting me point-blank in the heart, and then get away with it, my friends and family will hunt you down like a dog. Consider yourself forewarned.


This is how I see it. Apparently it was ok for Zimmerman to defend himself, but not Martin. That's cool. Next time I won't stop punching until they're dead. You know, standing my ground and all.
 
2013-07-14 12:55:06 PM

PsiChick: /*And, as you would know if you knew the first damn thing about gun safety, while you are carrying a loaded weapon you DO NOT TAKE ACTION THAT MIGHT PROVOKE A FIGHT.
//Godfarkingdamn, how do people miss the most basic gun-safety rules?


Seriously.  If you are confronting someone and you have a gun, and get close enough for hand-to-hand, you farked up royally.
 
2013-07-14 12:56:20 PM

Amos Quito: sillydragon: Hey, sillydragon - I really hope that this all fizzles - that the Sharptons, the Jacksons, the Spike Lees and the OBAMA's are TOTALLY disappointed that their little attempt at division through race-baiting failed like Zimmerman's prosecutors.

Zimmerman wasn't initially prosecuted because there was no evidence that he COULD be successfully prosecuted. The ONLY reason this went forward was because the racial firebrands and their obedient media pushed it because it served their agenda.

If there is no civil unrest, the race-baiters have failed, and that's all right by me.

Cheers.

It's good to see that you've diversified your derp.

So, now that it's the next day...have any serious riots actually occurred? Mass looting and arson? I'll bet Sanford is even still standing... All I've been able to find was a derpy blog linking to some pics from Oakland of a couple of police cruisers with busted windows and some spray paint. And a door with broken glass. Oh, and a burning McDonald's flag. Am I somehow missing the mayhem and chaos somewhere?


See those  bolded parts up there, SillyDragon?

The verdict was just. So far little unrest. I'm pleased.

What about you? What are the Silly Voices in your head saying?


That second part wasn't specifically aimed at you, it was more a question to the Fark general public. Maybe someone has better google-fu than I do.

As for the voices in my head, I don't have any. Just me. I do listen to my Rice Crispies now and then though, but they've never told me about any conspiracies or anything. Apparently I have boring voices.
 
2013-07-14 01:02:59 PM
Fark George Zimmerman!

/and nuke Florida from space
 
2013-07-14 01:11:38 PM
Anyone, whats the reference to pancakes?
 
2013-07-14 01:17:33 PM

WillofJ2: Anyone, whats the reference to pancakes?


img.fark.net
 
2013-07-14 01:19:50 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: shower_in_my_socks: EvilRacistNaziFascist: I'll tell you something, and this goes for 99.9% of the people like me who you probably despise: no matter what your racial background might be, if you are trying to beat us to death we will resist you using any means necessary; and if we are armed and can save our lives by shooting your thug ass dead, we will do it. Consider yourselves forewarned.

And if you stalk me at night and then accost me, I'm going to get punchy. And if you respond by shooting me point-blank in the heart, and then get away with it, my friends and family will hunt you down like a dog. Consider yourself forewarned.

This is how I see it. Apparently it was ok for Zimmerman to defend himself, but not Martin. That's cool. Next time I won't stop punching until they're dead. You know, standing my ground and all.


That is well a thought out response, maybe they were both defending themselves and if that is the case then I guess GM did the better job.

Just maybe TM thought like you did and was going to punch until GZ was dead, hopefully you will be a little more successful.
 
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