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2013-07-14 05:22:47 AM

oregon fubaralas: No comment is offensive enough to assault someone, legally.


ok but there are lots of fights due to folks being, let's say, impolite. and the vast majority don't end up with someone getting killed.

"mommy he stated it" bang seems like a shiatty situation. and one that could have been avoided.
 
2013-07-14 05:26:52 AM

Curious: oregon fubaralas: No comment is offensive enough to assault someone, legally.

ok but there are lots of fights due to folks being, let's say, impolite. and the vast majority don't end up with someone getting killed.

"mommy he stated it" bang seems like a shiatty situation. and one that could have been avoided.


You are correct; the entire incident could have been avoided had Mr. Martin opted not to strike Mr. Zimmerman.
 
2013-07-14 05:27:00 AM

LordJiro: Incidentally, no matter your feelings on Zimmerman, you should at least be somewhat happy about the outcome of the trial. Because it *SHOULD* be hard as fark to convict someone for something like murder; if there's enough reasonable doubt (whether it's due to the defendant actually being innocent, a lack of evidence or just a shiatty prosecutor), an acquittal means the system works.


Yup. Public outrage and pressure shouldn't ever taint a verdict. I will argue that public outrage and pressure should effect an acquittal though.
 
2013-07-14 05:28:55 AM
but let's be really honest here. The whole trial-by-media was meant to be nothing more than an allegory of how the legal system treats black verses "white" suspects differently. Facts be damned!
 
2013-07-14 05:29:01 AM
So I figure between this and Casey Anthony Central Florida has the absolute dumbest jurors in the United States, I hate the fact I live here.
 
2013-07-14 05:31:15 AM

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Livingroom: for all you ignorant farkers out there, he's several photos of the KelTec PF-11 with the slide locked back:


 


thats how this gun works. if you think you or any human being can bend the barrel of ANY gun, especially a 9mm which is built to withstand 60,000 PSI, then i have a bridge and some swampland for sale that i think you'd like to buy.

Give me a vice, and I'm pretty sure I can bend one without too much trouble.


I'd need a vice and a willingness to fark up a good barrel. ;)
 
2013-07-14 05:32:06 AM

dandude28: So I figure between this and Casey Anthony Central Florida has the absolute dumbest jurors in the United States, I hate the fact I live here.


You are correct. That residents are no longer safe when repeatedly striking another individual in the face demonstrates a substantial problem with the state.
 
2013-07-14 05:33:12 AM

MagSeven: skankboy: I don't know if George Zimmerman was guilty or not. I do know he was found not guilty in his trial. The fact that the Obama administration is seeking to file Civil Rights changed against Zimmerman, sickens me.

Obama will join such shady presidents as Reagan, and King Bush I in side stepping the fifth amendment. (Vincent Chin and Rodney King respectively).

If you are an American, you shouldn't be ok with this at all. The whole purpose of the fifth amendment is so the government doesn't get two chances to take you down.

Fox News will be having a field day with this, and rightfully so. Ironically I'm sure they'll act like this is the first time this has ever happened, ignoring Reagan and Bush's indiscretions. 

Politicians are all the same and all scum.


/sounds stupid and fat

Citation please. I went out for my Bday tonight and haven't heard a bit of this. Assuming you aren't joking, please point me to an article.



I wasn't joking, but I appear to have been duped by a few headlines where the article said something entirely different.  Definitely my bad though.

I hope it doesn't happen, but I bet it will.
 
2013-07-14 05:35:50 AM

skankboy: MagSeven: skankboy: I don't know if George Zimmerman was guilty or not. I do know he was found not guilty in his trial. The fact that the Obama administration is seeking to file Civil Rights changed against Zimmerman, sickens me.

Obama will join such shady presidents as Reagan, and King Bush I in side stepping the fifth amendment. (Vincent Chin and Rodney King respectively).

If you are an American, you shouldn't be ok with this at all. The whole purpose of the fifth amendment is so the government doesn't get two chances to take you down.

Fox News will be having a field day with this, and rightfully so. Ironically I'm sure they'll act like this is the first time this has ever happened, ignoring Reagan and Bush's indiscretions. 

Politicians are all the same and all scum.


/sounds stupid and fat

Citation please. I went out for my Bday tonight and haven't heard a bit of this. Assuming you aren't joking, please point me to an article.


I wasn't joking, but I appear to have been duped by a few headlines where the article said something entirely different.  Definitely my bad though.

I hope it doesn't happen, but I bet it will.


Ah. Well I hope it doesn't. Thanks for clearing it up though.
/hopefully you're wrong. Something like that is not what the country needs now.
 
2013-07-14 05:36:41 AM
Zimmerman did not chase Treyvon down and shoot him for no reason, he followed Treyvon and did not shoot until Treyvon attacked him.

I wonder how many people who think that Zimmerman is guilty despite that fact also thought that OJ is innocent.

Of those who think that Zimmerman is guilty, I wonder how many of them have heard all of the same evidence that the jury heard.

Of those who think that Zimmerman is guilty and OJ is innocent, I wonder how many of those would have a different opinion if Zimmerman were black, Treyvon were white and OJ were while and Nicole were black.


And I'll bet you anything that if it were in a ghetto and both Trayvon and Zimmerman were black, we would very likely not have hard anything at all.
 
2013-07-14 05:37:54 AM

God-is-a-Taco: oregon fubaralas: Curious: i'd bet a months pay he made a comment that was offensive enough to start one

I'm in.

No comment is offensive enough to assault someone, legally.

[0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com image 500x375]


Well, I'm going to hell. It seems most people prefer the aisle seat, but if I could please have the window seat, I'd be glad to pay you on Tuesday.
 
2013-07-14 05:39:17 AM

dandude28: So I figure between this and Casey Anthony Central Florida has the absolute dumbest jurors in the United States, I hate the fact I live here.


So they're dumb for coming to a decision based on evidence instead of emotion? Maybe you should move to Alabama. That would be more in line with your IQ. Or California.
 
2013-07-14 05:42:42 AM

Harry_Seldon: Can't we all just get along?

[i.imgur.com image 720x481]


d'aw...imma go to bed with that image in my head...
 
2013-07-14 05:49:39 AM
Zimmerman was found not guilty. If one followed the court everyday this was an easy verdict to reach. It's clear Martin was not scared of Zimmerman but he was angry. Martin was a thug with a violent past. He was on marijuana and didn't have a clear rational head. Zimmerman had a legal right to follow Martin. He had the right to call 911. No law was broken till Martin jumped George. Once that happened he was in his rights to shot Martin. No tears should be shed for Martin.
 
2013-07-14 05:50:42 AM
Democrats should be kicking their heals because the party of slavery, the KKK, Jim Crow and Aid to Families of Dependent children with the help of our cuckold president and the liberal press have once again kept the black as their slaves.  If you are a black man and try to vote anything other then Democrat the liberal press will crucify them and label them an Uncle Tom.  Good job perverts, your slaves are all lined up for you.  They will not leave you because so many of them fear the backlash.  Democrats are still the party of slavery, it's just that slavery has changed in modern times.  Hey babeeee.  You cool.  just keep wearing those hoodies.
 
2013-07-14 05:53:23 AM

oregon fubaralas: When the 911 dispatcher told him to not follow, Zimmerman legally gave up all right to use the standard ground defense. The jury was instructed to IGNORE that law.

Zimmerman will lose on appeal though. But by then, the damage will be done.


welcome to the land of dumb
 
2013-07-14 06:00:58 AM
Man, am I shocked to see this thread is full of keyboard racists in a disappointed white knuckle rage that their predictions of riots failed to come true.

Maybe you can feel better if you break something.
 
2013-07-14 06:01:15 AM
Is some peoples gonna die?
 
2013-07-14 06:07:32 AM

Full Metal Retard: Utter Genius: Now sue NBC and get your ruined life back, George Zimmerman.

No, no, no.   the next step will be Obama instructing the "Justice" Department to go after him on Federal Charges.  Obama will want as much race hatred as possible to increase black turnout in 2014.  I bet they even time the arrest to be just about 2 months before the election.


Sure, I mean, the presidential election will be very close in 2014 and Obama needs to do everything he can if he hopes to get reelected.  I can see your point.
 
2013-07-14 06:07:57 AM
Liberal tears: I'm drinking some
 
2013-07-14 06:08:35 AM
Color me shocked that Zimmerman was found innocent in a politically motivated trial when the police and prosecutors originally thought they didn't have enough evidence(or there was enough contrary evidence) to secure a conviction.

Not saying that he was actually guilty or not(did he slip some deception through?), whether he should or should not have been convicted, or whether the SYG law is good.

Just that the trial was politically motivated, and that his odds of being found guilty were slim.  Heck, this trial trips the same responses I had during the OJ trial - there's so much stuff that I don't know about that's being presented and looked at, that all I can say is that I hope the court's competent and comes to the right answer.
 
2013-07-14 06:09:10 AM

doczoidberg: Is some peoples gonna die?


Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Tens of thousands of people die every day.

Isn't that hilarious?

/time for bed
//snuggles
 
2013-07-14 06:12:22 AM

gilgigamesh: Man, am I shocked to see this thread is full of keyboard racists in a disappointed white knuckle rage that their predictions of riots failed to come true.

Maybe you can feel better if you break something.


I bet the protests will happen today. The low info voters were all at the bar or having buttsecks when the news came out. Today they get the news and some posterboard/magic markers for their placards.
 
2013-07-14 06:18:54 AM

Peki: tbeatty: Kind of hard to start a fight without the injuries associate with an aggressor.

There are many ways to start a fight without throwing the first punch.


None that would be called assault as was stipulated by the person posing the question.
 
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2013-07-14 06:21:44 AM

RealAmericanHero: Anyone who isn't not-guilty in this case is devoid of all logic. It actually requires deliberate ignorance and making up facts and pure speculation to make this anything other than self defense. It drives me mad that the world is still this farked up.

Zimmerman followed Martin because he fit the profile of suspects who had recently committed crimes in that area. Yes, those suspects were black. Trayvon Martin was skulking through the neighborhood. Yes, he was just trying to get home. There was no way for Zimmerman or anyone else to know that. Zimmerman then called the non-emergency line. The operator (not a police officer) said, about following Trayvon "we don't need you to do that" and Zimmerman said "ok." In the 4 minutes Martin could have chosen to just go home like he intended, he chose to confront Zimmerman with violent force. This force included pinning Zimmerman to the ground, punching Zimmerman in the face, and slamming Zimmerman's head into the concrete. Zimmerman, fearing for his life, fired his gun once and ended his assailant's life.

These are the facts of the case as presented in the trial. There are no other facts. Everyone is just making a bunch of shiat up and it's stupid and disgusting. You never have the right to assault someone who is not actively trying to hurt you and all of your bleeding heart emotion doesn't change the fact that it was a barbaric act on the part of Trayvon Martin that caused Zimmerman to fear for his life, which resulted in Martin's death. Skin color has nothing to do with it.

Martin called Zimmerman a "creepy cracker" and turned back to attack Martin. What if a white man had done the same thing? What if a guy that looked like a skinhead told someone on the phone, same scenario, that "a weird n*gg*r" was following him, and proceeded to turn around and start beating the shiat out of someone over it. There's no difference. The skin colors have no relevance. The ages have no relevance. There are just the facts and if you can't ...


who is ignoring facts? zimmerman got out of his car.  what if a black man killed a white teenage girl in her own neighborhood
 
2013-07-14 06:22:05 AM

gilgigamesh: Man, am I shocked to see this thread is full of keyboard racists in a disappointed white knuckle rage that their predictions of riots failed to come true.

Maybe you can feel better if you break something.


Riiiight. Because it was an army of white people on Twitter saying they were going to go out and kill/loot/rape.

Your tears are delicious.
 
2013-07-14 06:22:16 AM

RealAmericanHero: Anyone who isn't not-guilty in this case is devoid of all logic. It actually requires deliberate ignorance and making up facts and pure speculation to make this anything other than self defense. It drives me mad that the world is still this farked up.

Zimmerman followed Martin because he fit the profile of suspects who had recently committed crimes in that area. Yes, those suspects were black. Trayvon Martin was skulking through the neighborhood. Yes, he was just trying to get home. There was no way for Zimmerman or anyone else to know that. Zimmerman then called the non-emergency line. The operator (not a police officer) said, about following Trayvon "we don't need you to do that" and Zimmerman said "ok." In the 4 minutes Martin could have chosen to just go home like he intended, he chose to confront Zimmerman with violent force. This force included pinning Zimmerman to the ground, punching Zimmerman in the face, and slamming Zimmerman's head into the concrete. Zimmerman, fearing for his life, fired his gun once and ended his assailant's life.

These are the facts of the case as presented in the trial. There are no other facts. Everyone is just making a bunch of shiat up and it's stupid and disgusting. You never have the right to assault someone who is not actively trying to hurt you and all of your bleeding heart emotion doesn't change the fact that it was a barbaric act on the part of Trayvon Martin that caused Zimmerman to fear for his life, which resulted in Martin's death. Skin color has nothing to do with it.

Martin called Zimmerman a "creepy cracker" and turned back to attack Martin. What if a white man had done the same thing? What if a guy that looked like a skinhead told someone on the phone, same scenario, that "a weird n*gg*r" was following him, and proceeded to turn around and start beating the shiat out of someone over it. There's no difference. The skin colors have no relevance. The ages have no relevance. There are just the facts and if you can't ...


The words to watch, bolded.

Do you see all the assumptions you're trying to cover up there? Martin, presumably, knew where he was going. Was he under an obligation to tell people his destination? Would anyone else be under an obligation to advertise their destination?

As for 'skulking':-

Verb -Keep out of sight, typically with a sinister or cowardly motive.

Was Martin 'out of sight'? Keeping to the shadows? You're already using the word atypically (outside sinister/cowardly) because you have already conceded that No One Could Have Known!!! that Martin was not there to rob, kill, and rape.
 
2013-07-14 06:24:55 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: And I'll bet you anything that if it were in a ghetto and both Trayvon and Zimmerman were black, we would very likely not have hard anything at all.



This.  Not too long ago, I was watching an actual "cop show" about a situation in which both shooters were drug dealers.  There was clear and convincing physical evidence that the dead guy turned out to be the aggressor.  The surviving shooter fled the scene, but after a fair bit of investigation and a tip, the cops turned him up.  He said (paraphrasing) "I killed him, it was self-defense."  A single piece of credible physical evidence bolstered the survivor's story.  It was ruled a justifiable homicide by the police, and it was never taken to the point of a probable cause hearing, as it shouldn't have been.  Both shooters had the same skin color.  The only reason I heard of it was because the cop show had cameras tagging along with the investigators long before the death took place, and they had the entire investigation "in the can".
 
2013-07-14 06:31:02 AM

Lionel Mandrake: NOT GUILTY!!

JUST LIKE OJ!!


That means we're even now right?

//har har har
 
2013-07-14 06:37:52 AM

Rwa2play: Coco LaFemme: Of course he got off.  All you need to do anymore to get away with murder is say you felt "threatened."  Doesn't matter what color anyone is in this equation.  Two white people, two black people, mixed...doesn't really matter.  As long as you the shooter tell the jury that you were afraid for your life, you could justify killing an infant if it came down to it.

That's how farked up this country is right now.

It's gonna be fun when the tables are turned:  Older black man shoots white meth head trying to rob him but was fleeing bashing his head into the concrete when shot.  Wonder if some on right will be so elated with "Stand Your Ground".



FTFY. If you want to "turn the tables" then lets do that. Martin was shot while trying to smash Zimmerman's head into the pavement. So for your flipped scenario, the white meth head would have to be doing the same thing.
 
2013-07-14 06:40:33 AM

detritus: FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST,
THANK GOD ALMIGHTY
HE'S FREE AT LAST!


Hee hee. Made me laff.
 
2013-07-14 06:45:05 AM

WayneKerr: Let me be the first to say that I do not agree with everyone in this thread.


Me neither. Not enough;

1) Naked women
2) Graphs, charts and talk about global warming
3) Men covered in mustard.
 
2013-07-14 06:47:55 AM

mr lawson: Southern100: Ya know what?

I'd be willing to bet that if George Zimmerman wasn't a racist before this event (and there's certainly a lot of evidence to indicate he was not), he probably will be now.

The dude mentored several black kids and help raise money for a predominately black church and people think he is a racist? Amazing....


It's a lot easier to lob in lazy accusations of racism than it is to deal with reality. Trayvon was failed by all those who glorify being a 'gangsta' and by his parents, who didn't do enough to teach him not to try solving problems with his fists.
 
2013-07-14 06:51:20 AM
If I had been prosecuting this case I'd have had Zimmerman charged with manslaughter.

/I know, I'm being a monday morning quarterback
 
2013-07-14 06:51:29 AM

ThatDarkFellow: I need to post twice in a row here to point out how asinine a protest over this is in Chicago of all places. How bad is the black on black crime there? How many murders a week? It's like the OK Corral except there's electricity.


Actually: only 3 people were killed at the O.K. Corral, and 2 received minor wounds.  So a weekend in Chicago is much more violent than the Old West.
 
2013-07-14 06:52:37 AM

gilgigamesh: Man, am I shocked to see this thread is full of keyboard racists in a disappointed white knuckle rage that their predictions of riots failed to come true.

Maybe you can feel better if you break something.


I don't have anything against colored keyboards
 
2013-07-14 06:54:13 AM
The case went to trial. The jury returned it's verdict. Why is are all the black people everyone so piassed? They don't want to face up to the fact that Trevon was in the wrong? They don't want to face the fact that he was a criminal that got his just desserts?

How about that Castro guy in Cleveland. I'll bet everyone thinks he's innocent too. Will there be riots when he is found guilty?
 
2013-07-14 06:56:01 AM

tirob: If I had been prosecuting this case I'd have had Zimmerman charged with manslaughter.

/I know, I'm being a monday morning quarterback


I believe the jury had that option. Still, based upon the facts, I don't see how he's guilty of that. You have a right to be an jerk in this country. You don't have the right to beat someone up when they're being an jerk, and the jerk has the right to defend himself if you do.
 
2013-07-14 06:58:14 AM
I don't get it, what's with the pancake meme?  Is this like a "if we refuse to talk about it, it didn't happen" refusal to recognize reality thing?
 
2013-07-14 07:03:26 AM

ciberido: Full Metal Retard: Utter Genius: Now sue NBC and get your ruined life back, George Zimmerman.

No, no, no.   the next step will be Obama instructing the "Justice" Department to go after him on Federal Charges.  Obama will want as much race hatred as possible to increase black turnout in 2014.  I bet they even time the arrest to be just about 2 months before the election.

Sure, I mean, the presidential election will be very close in 2014 and Obama needs to do everything he can if he hopes to get reelected.  I can see your point.



I guess you didn't know that there are elections every 2 years.  Governors, Senators, Mayors and Congressmen.  That effects the balance of power in Washington.

You must be a very well informed person to be unaware of the elections coming in 2014.

What grade are you in?
 
2013-07-14 07:04:00 AM

RussianPooper: You don't have the right to beat someone up when they're being an jerk, and the jerk has the right to defend himself if you do.


More importantly, Zimmerman had, as they say, "retreated to the wall."  He was physically unable to retreat further, so even if he had thrown the first punch, self-defense rights would reattach, at least where I am, and I'm pretty sure that Florida's self-defense laws are pretty close to the laws here.
 
2013-07-14 07:07:06 AM

boinkingbill: Democrats should be kicking their heals because the party of slavery, the KKK, Jim Crow and Aid to Families of Dependent children with the help of our cuckold president and the liberal press have once again kept the black as their slaves.  If you are a black man and try to vote anything other then Democrat the liberal press will crucify them and label them an Uncle Tom.  Good job perverts, your slaves are all lined up for you.  They will not leave you because so many of them fear the backlash.  Democrats are still the party of slavery, it's just that slavery has changed in modern times.  Hey babeeee.  You cool.  just keep wearing those hoodies.


You might improve your efforts with proper spelling and subject-verb agreement.
 
2013-07-14 07:10:48 AM
OK, here's a pancake hoodie for the foodies in the thread.

i6.photobucket.com

/btw, I'm looking forward to more news and foodie mashup threads
 
2013-07-14 07:12:37 AM

Full Metal Retard: ciberido: Full Metal Retard: Utter Genius: Now sue NBC and get your ruined life back, George Zimmerman.

No, no, no.   the next step will be Obama instructing the "Justice" Department to go after him on Federal Charges.  Obama will want as much race hatred as possible to increase black turnout in 2014.  I bet they even time the arrest to be just about 2 months before the election.

Sure, I mean, the presidential election will be very close in 2014 and Obama needs to do everything he can if he hopes to get reelected.  I can see your point.


I guess you didn't know that there are elections every 2 years.  Governors, Senators, Mayors and Congressmen.  That effects the balance of power in Washington.

You must be a very well informed person to be unaware of the elections coming in 2014.

What grade are you in?


I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm...
 
2013-07-14 07:14:23 AM

oregon fubaralas: Red Shirt Blues: Bathia_Mapes: Molavian: oregon fubaralas: Zimmerman will lose on appeal though. But by then, the damage will be done.

What appeal?

Exactly what I'd like to know. Zimmerman was acquitted of all charges. You appeal if you've been found guilty, not if you've been acquited.

You just stumbled upon one of the best troll lines in the thread.

I really want to stop now.


Are you STILL trolling with that statement?
 
2013-07-14 07:16:09 AM
The court system works, it's our culture that's broken.

You think the police, the media, your idiot high school classmates on Facebook, everyone in this very thread would have approached this incident the same way had it been a black guy who saw a light-skinned Hispanic kid that looked like he didn't belong in the neighborhood?
 
2013-07-14 07:18:14 AM

CruiseMan: Where was this type of outrage when OJ was acquitted?


Yes and no? But it was a very different case--he never confessed to murdering his wife or the dude, they were adults, and it wasn't in Florida.

This case is more "In Florida, it's okay to murder people." (And yet not many people seem to be taking advantage of this. I suppose that says something generally good about humanity.)
 
2013-07-14 07:20:29 AM
Wow, it's a good thing I made it home yesterday amidst all the race riots I was assured would happen.
 
2013-07-14 07:21:20 AM

RockSteadyUSMC: The judicial system worked exactly how it's supposed to. There was enough reasonable doubt to acquit, and that was how it should be. The judicial system convicts based on facts and should prove beyond a reasonable doubt, not convict based on public opinion.

/USMC MP
//Yes I have a clue

Exactly. There was a ton of doubt in the case. You can't find guilt on assumptions. Yes he did shoot Treyvon, but it also shows he was attacked and had his head slammed into the concrete. Seems like self defense to me. The media seems to want to make it look like he had him on his knees and executed him in cold blood. Nope. Far from it. There is a lot of reasonable doubt here to acquit.
 
2013-07-14 07:21:24 AM

CowardlyLion: CruiseMan: Where was this type of outrage when OJ was acquitted?

Yes and no? But it was a very different case--he never confessed to murdering his wife or the dude, they were adults, and it wasn't in Florida.

This case is more "In Florida, it's okay to murder people." (And yet not many people seem to be taking advantage of this. I suppose that says something generally good about humanity.)


This isn't a Florida thing, he'd be not guilty under the laws of pretty much any state.
 
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