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2013-07-14 02:41:39 AM

ElLoco: That has got to be the worst riot ever. God. They have a dude in a wheelchair.

I'm going to bed.


I saw a guy on rollerblades. Somebody decided to rollerblade through Oakland at 12:40AM.
 
2013-07-14 02:41:45 AM
Elegy: Popcorn Johnny: Couple hundred people marching through the streets of Oakland with a banner reading fark THE POLICE

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[i.imgur.com image 850x481]

Looks like 50-60 people, tops.


Send Zombie Bull Connor
 
2013-07-14 02:41:47 AM

Treygreen13: Popcorn Johnny: LOL the Oakland mob lost half its minions after they saw the line of police.

I did find it funny as soon as they got to the line of cops in riot gear they dropped the "fark THE POLICE" sign like it was made of asbestos.


Beer is now all over my keyboard and monitors.
 
2013-07-14 02:42:00 AM
Delay: {snip}

Can we agree that Mr. Zimmerman was carrying a gun?
YES' With intent to willfully use? No.

Can we agree that Mr. Zimmerman stalked a kid in what he felt to be his neighborhood? Questionable' "Stalked?"  See, already you are injecting your own 'view' of the situation; but we will let this pass, as its not the most egregious of your mistakes in your argument.

Can we agree that Mr. Zimmerman killed the kid he stalked? NO'Based on the following given facts (1) Trayvon girlfriend alluded to that Trayvon made it home first and thus re-engaged the situation with Zimmerman. All current clues point that Zimmerman had not found where Trayvon went or lived and had given up, only to find Trayvon out looking for him.

Can we agree that Mr. Zimmerman was found not guilty? Yes'

Now how is the American justice system not farked? 'Because Trayvon put himself back at risk and escalated the situation to its terrible conclusion.  The state had asked the Jury "Did Zimmerman willfully intend to murder Trayvon?" the answer to that question is a outstanding NO.  Had the state asked the Jury to find Zimmerman guilty of a unlawful Homicide, then he would have been found guilty of said crime.
 
2013-07-14 02:42:03 AM
The right outcome came out. Good thing justice was done. Zimmerman was just defending himself from a druggie thug.
 
2013-07-14 02:42:06 AM

Fark It: tollbooth_willy: shower_in_my_socks: Elegy: Still won't address the fact that the 911 recording had Grey saying "I'm outta here" and Alexander saying "I got something for you" and then firing the shot, will you?

Sorry I haven't responded to your comments in a timetable that pleases you, your highness. Give me a link to the 911 tape. The only one I've heard was from Grey AFTER the shooting. He claims she said that BEFORE the shooting, but I haven't heard a recording of it.

"You have to compare what [Marissa Alexander] said to what the victims said. There were two young children there as well. None of the physical evidence corroborates her story. There was the 911 call ... and you can clearly hear the distress in Rico Gray's voice. They had a verbal argument [in which] he said 'I'm outta here,' and she said, 'I've got something for you.'" 

http://thegrio.com/2012/05/15/angela-corey-lashes-out-at-critics-of- ma rissa-alexander-prosecution/#s:angela-corey-4x3-jpg 

Here's an idea...maybe you should read about the trial before attacking those that have.
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I can assure you he's well-versed on the matter thanks to Twitter and Facebook....


I was actually referring to this, but was too lazy to look it up:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7840959/85347697#c85347697
 
2013-07-14 02:42:40 AM

tollbooth_willy: There was the 911 call ... and you can clearly hear the distress in Rico Gray's voice. They had a verbal argument [in which] he said 'I'm outta here,' and she said, 'I've got something for you.'" 

http://thegrio.com/2012/05/15/angela-corey-lashes-out-at-critics-of- ma rissa-alexander-prosecution/#s:angela-corey-4x3-jpg


I think you're confusing what Grey CLAIMS was said BEFORE he called 911 with what can actually be heard on the tape. If he called the police AFTER she fired the shot, then how is it possible that 911 recording would have audio of what was said BEFORE the shot was fired? It had already happened by the time he called the police. So we're going off of he-said-she-said, but only one of them has a criminal record, a history of domestic abuse, and a restraining order against them.
 
2013-07-14 02:42:55 AM

Somacandra: is why some Fark posters will cherry-pick any particular crime story in such a way to favor the whiter or more male person


When did that happen here? shower in my socks picked that one.
 
2013-07-14 02:43:16 AM

Elegy: Treygreen13: Popcorn Johnny: LOL the Oakland mob lost half its minions after they saw the line of police.

I did find it funny as soon as they got to the line of cops in riot gear they dropped the "fark THE POLICE" sign like it was made of asbestos.

Beer is now all over my keyboard and monitors.


but... Handling asbestos is harmless...breathing it is the problem.
 
2013-07-14 02:43:25 AM

Bravo Two: WhyteRaven74: Gyrfalcon: That Zimmerman could have avoided the fight by staying back (or better still, staying in his car) does not matter to a verdict of self-defense; what matter is, at the moment of decision, did he reasonably believe his life was in danger? And clearly, the jury agreed that he did.

The problem is, that it totally dismisses whether or not Martin felt he was in danger to start with.

Because it doesn't matter. He had no legal right to attack Zim unless Zim had physically attacked him first. That's the way the law works. Zim broke no laws by just following, and that alone is not legal justification for force without a direct threat and provable escalation of force. shiat stains in your drawers are not evidence.


wrong. you don't have to wait for someone to attack you first to attack them. you just have to have a reasonable fear that they are about to assault you. you could reasonably believe an assault was imminent  if some weird guy is following you around a house at night like zimm did. you don't have to wait until you get a fist to your nose to attack. what matters was if a reasonable person would have felt apprehension of an imminent assault. now if the libs had their  way on self defense policy trayvon really would have been forced to flee instead of confronting zimm, if he did confront zim. of course they are so logically inconsistent they've probably never noticed that nuance, but I digress.

and of course raven is wrong here as well, which isn't surprising since he hasn't been right about anything yet this decade yet.

raven is wrong because it doesn't matter if trayvon felt threatened and decided to kick zimmermna's ass or if zimm punched trayvon out of the blue for no reason. there is no *problem* here, raven.
once trayvon started bashing another man's skull against a concrete slab, he put zimm in reasonable apprehension for serious bodily injury. at that point it doesn't matter what happened to get us to that point because we know zimm was not behaving in a way that should have put trayvon in fear for his very life - so he had no legal reason to try and seriously injure a man. a creepy ass cracker was following him, not chasing him with a knife. no evidence was ever offered and the prosecution never even suggested that zimm was acting in a way that would make a reasonable person think they needed to kill to survive. so

so at that point, when trayvon was smashing zimm's head again the pavement, in every jurisdiction in America (because zimm also had no opportunity to escape without putting himself at risk for further injury) zimm had the right to use lethal force to protect himself.

who started the fisticuffs doesn't matter in the least. when trayvon apparently escalated it from simple a fight he had every right to start into a death match he unwittingly gave zimm the legal right to shoot him to death.

but raven doesn't really care about all that. he saw the victims skin color and made his determination based SOLELY on that skin color. he got his marching orders from his political heroes, and he's carrying the water without regard to the facts that were put forth at trial and the law that has been so thoroughly explained to him over the past 18 months. I'd like to be able to say raven gives liberals a bad name for being so reactionary and so incredibly impervious to fact or logically consistent argument, but he is actually miles ahead of his particular pack of zealots.
 
2013-07-14 02:43:38 AM

ElLoco: Treygreen13: Popcorn Johnny: Couple hundred people marching through the streets of Oakland with a banner reading fark THE POLICE

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Yikes. Might as well say "please hit me with a nightstick" on your banner.

I'm not certain exactly what the police have to do with the Zimmerman verdict or trial.


This has nothing to do with the trial, just a typical Saturday night in Oakland.
 
2013-07-14 02:44:29 AM

Shryke: but... Handling asbestos is harmless...breathing it is the problem.


How dare you bring reality into a feelings thread.
 
2013-07-14 02:44:32 AM

Cytokine Storm: Treygreen13: Popcorn Johnny: LOL the Oakland mob lost half its minions after they saw the line of police.

I did find it funny as soon as they got to the line of cops in riot gear they dropped the "fark THE POLICE" sign like it was made of asbestos.

Looked to me like they laid it out on the ground so the chopper could read it.  They took the time to smooth/straighten it and all.


It's possible. They've got it up now.
 
2013-07-14 02:44:37 AM

shower_in_my_socks: tollbooth_willy: There was the 911 call ... and you can clearly hear the distress in Rico Gray's voice. They had a verbal argument [in which] he said 'I'm outta here,' and she said, 'I've got something for you.'" 

http://thegrio.com/2012/05/15/angela-corey-lashes-out-at-critics-of- ma rissa-alexander-prosecution/#s:angela-corey-4x3-jpg

I think you're confusing what Grey CLAIMS was said BEFORE he called 911 with what can actually be heard on the tape. If he called the police AFTER she fired the shot, then how is it possible that 911 recording would have audio of what was said BEFORE the shot was fired? It had already happened by the time he called the police. So we're going off of he-said-she-said, but only one of them has a criminal record, a history of domestic abuse, and a restraining order against them.


Re-read that article, sunshine.
"She emphasizes that both parties took out restraining orders against each other,"
 
2013-07-14 02:44:48 AM

Somacandra: Elegy: There is a reason the jury deliberated less than 20 minutes.

Yes there is. The more interesting question, to paraphrase Rep. Steve King is why some Fark posters will cherry-pick any particular crime story in such a way to favor the whiter or more male person.


Or it could be that she admitted at trial that she left the confrontation, returned, and fired a shot in anger with her kids in the room. Something she admitted, something the physical evidence supported, something the witnesses testified to, and something that was recorded on the 911 call by her SO.
 
2013-07-14 02:44:56 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Oh shiat, police have formed a do not pass line.


Gandalf take the point?
 
2013-07-14 02:45:19 AM
The mob has deployed fireworks.
 
2013-07-14 02:45:25 AM

oregon fubaralas: NorCalLos: oregon fubaralas: Popcorn Johnny: Couple hundred people marching through the streets of Oakland with a banner reading fark THE POLICE

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I'm glad they all seem to have appropriate safety lighting on their bikes.

Failure to do so is an invitation for cops to f with you out here.

It just doesn't seem very hardcore to get the firehose on your fixy.


Well, one of the big draws of bicycle riding is that you can go out drinking without having to worry about getting a DUI or killing anyone. However, you can get arrested for riding a bike drunk. Riding a bike home from the bar without lights is akin to driving your car home from the bar without tail lights. Not to mention, if you live in the Bay area, you're talking really dense urban area where you can/will get hit by a car without lights.
 
2013-07-14 02:46:03 AM

Shryke: Elegy: Treygreen13: Popcorn Johnny: LOL the Oakland mob lost half its minions after they saw the line of police.

I did find it funny as soon as they got to the line of cops in riot gear they dropped the "fark THE POLICE" sign like it was made of asbestos.

Beer is now all over my keyboard and monitors.

but... Handling asbestos is harmless...breathing it is the problem.


You've never gotten asbestos on your skin? Itches.
 
2013-07-14 02:46:23 AM

TheDumbBlonde: I grew up with a large community of people Spanish descent. They were always considered white.


i.imgur.com

I am a person of Spanish descent, and I'm often considered white depending on the context. Like I said, there are reasons in any given time and place why certain communities are considered "white" and some are not. Whiteness is a changable, mutable, historically conditioned characteristic, as is racialization in general.
 
2013-07-14 02:46:32 AM

Elegy: "There was the 911 call ... and you can clearly hear the distress in Rico Gray's voice. They had a verbal argument [in which] he said 'I'm outta here,' and she said, 'I've got something for you."


He TOLD the 911 operator that she had said that. There is no recording of her actually saying it. The 911 call was placed AFTER the shooting, so how would there be a recording of what was said BEFORE the shooting? I think you're misreading the quote you pasted. I listened to the 911 tape on another site. It was clearly made after the shot was fired.
 
2013-07-14 02:47:10 AM
Watching the oakland live stream. Just saw someone throw fireworks into the police line, police were surprisingly restrained about that.
 
2013-07-14 02:47:27 AM

shower_in_my_socks: tollbooth_willy: There was the 911 call ... and you can clearly hear the distress in Rico Gray's voice. They had a verbal argument [in which] he said 'I'm outta here,' and she said, 'I've got something for you.'" 

http://thegrio.com/2012/05/15/angela-corey-lashes-out-at-critics-of- ma rissa-alexander-prosecution/#s:angela-corey-4x3-jpg

I think you're confusing what Grey CLAIMS was said BEFORE he called 911 with what can actually be heard on the tape. If he called the police AFTER she fired the shot, then how is it possible that 911 recording would have audio of what was said BEFORE the shot was fired? It had already happened by the time he called the police. So we're going off of he-said-she-said, but only one of them has a criminal record, a history of domestic abuse, and a restraining order against them.


Also from the same article that has been linked for you dozens of times by now:
"And what does it say about her fear of Rico Gray that she disobeyed a sitting judge and went over to confront him" four months after the incident - one that led Alexander to plead no contest to a domestic battery charge of her own. In that case, Corey said, Gray called 911 again, after Alexander "gave him a black eye." "

So...criminal record? Check.  History of domestic abuse?  Check.  Restraining order?  I believe we hit the trifecta.
 
2013-07-14 02:47:58 AM
Meh as the trial went on the incompetence became clearer.  Zimmerman did the deed they just failed to find credible evidence.
 
2013-07-14 02:48:10 AM

Treygreen13: When did that happen here? shower in my socks picked that one.


That's happened in too many posts here and in other TM/GZ threads to count. I'm a Politics tab denizen. This is well-covered territory.
 
2013-07-14 02:48:16 AM

Elegy: Watching the oakland live stream. Just saw someone throw fireworks into the police line, police were surprisingly restrained about that.


Seems like they're all going home now.
 
2013-07-14 02:48:20 AM
Somebody should make one of those FARK badges to commemorate this thread in which several dozen black gentlemen delivered a crudely painted tarp, via bikes and rollerblades, to a line of police officers.
 
2013-07-14 02:49:09 AM

Elegy: you didn't watch any of the trial or see any of the actual facts or evidence presented,


i didn't watch the trial but did watch the nightly news summaries on several channels. i have also bookmarked the 911 tape transcripts and read them several times. IMO once the dispatcher told zimmerman "we don't need you to do that" anything zimmerman did after that negates the stand your ground defense. YMMV
 
2013-07-14 02:49:09 AM
Popcorn Johnny: The mob has deployed fireworks.

Explosives? Turrists send them all to GITMO
 
2013-07-14 02:49:13 AM
Strictly looking at the evidence, it was an absolute slam dunk for the defense. The prosecution had nothing other than emotional pleading. The fact that this case is considered controversial just shows how ridiculous the media frenzy over this has been. I will never trust the jury system considering how stupid and emotional people are but at least they got it right this time.

Can the prosecution be punished for railroading this case when they clearly had no case to begin with? (That was rhetorical; of course they won't be.) These assholes had no regard for the law, due process, or facts.
 
2013-07-14 02:49:18 AM

Somacandra: That's happened in too many posts here and in other TM/GZ threads to count. I'm a Politics tab denizen. This is well-covered territory.


Whatever you say.
 
2013-07-14 02:49:54 AM

grimlock1972: Meh as the trial went on the incompetence became clearer.  Zimmerman did the deed they just failed to find credible evidence.


The prosecution in this case was almost criminally inept, including firing internal whistleblowers and covering it up, as addressed in a Fark thread earlier.
 
2013-07-14 02:50:08 AM

Curious: anything zimmerman did after that negates the stand your ground defense


He didn't use a "Stand Your Ground" defense. You should have listened to the nightly news summaries more closely.
 
2013-07-14 02:51:16 AM
@911BUFF: A SHOOTING, CARJACKING, PEOPLE WITH KNIVES AND A PROTEST REPORTED IN SOUTH LA. LAPD IN FULL TACTICAL ALERT AFTER GZ VERDICT. #911BUFF
 
2013-07-14 02:51:24 AM

Treygreen13: Elegy: Watching the oakland live stream. Just saw someone throw fireworks into the police line, police were surprisingly restrained about that.

Seems like they're all going home now.


Yup. Pretty low key. I tell you man, this twitter generation - total lack of motivation.
 
2013-07-14 02:51:33 AM

Curious: once the dispatcher told zimmerman "we don't need you to do that" anything zimmerman did after that negates the stand your ground defense.


Anything? Including ceasing to follow, and turning back to find a place to meet the cops, which is what he did? Also, Zimmerman didn't use Stand Your Ground, he was on the ground being assaulted with potentially deadly force, and attempting to get Trayvon off of him and screaming for help, when he finally had to shoot him.
 
2013-07-14 02:51:38 AM
Curious

i didn't watch the trial but did watch the nightly news summaries on several channels.

That can be a problem. It leads to thinking thinks like:

...anything zimmerman did after that negates the stand your ground defense.

He never claimed a "stand your ground" defence to be negated.
 
2013-07-14 02:51:45 AM
Imagine if you were on a long road trip, got to Oakland at 1am, and there were 80 upset guys in black hoodies with a giant "FARK THE POLICE" banner just standing in the intersection. I'd be crapping my pants.
 
2013-07-14 02:51:51 AM
If it makes some of you feel better, I just heard Zimmerman did not walk away from this totally unscathed.  He has been demoted from neighborhood watch captain to neighborhood watch lieutenant.
 
2013-07-14 02:52:18 AM

Treygreen13: Curious: anything zimmerman did after that negates the stand your ground defense

He didn't use a "Stand Your Ground" defense. You should have listened to the nightly news summaries more closely.


He used the protect your skull/brain and face defense, pretty effectively.
 
2013-07-14 02:52:38 AM

therhinodep: If it makes some of you feel better, I just heard Zimmerman did not walk away from this totally unscathed.  He has been demoted from neighborhood watch captain to neighborhood watch lieutenant.


Snert.
 
2013-07-14 02:53:03 AM

ontariolightning: @911BUFF: A SHOOTING, CARJACKING, PEOPLE WITH KNIVES AND A PROTEST REPORTED IN SOUTH LA. LAPD IN FULL TACTICAL ALERT AFTER GZ VERDICT. #911BUFF


All quiet here in white as fark Santa Monica.
 
2013-07-14 02:53:16 AM
LA is in full tactical alert says scanner
 
2013-07-14 02:53:31 AM

Treygreen13: Imagine if you were on a long road trip, got to Oakland at 1am, and there were 80 upset guys in black hoodies with a giant "FARK THE POLICE" banner just standing in the intersection. I'd be crapping my pants.


It's Oakland, it would just mess up my internal calendar, as I'd be thinking it was Tuesday.
 
2013-07-14 02:53:44 AM

Fark It: It's kind of simple, really.


did you read the jury instructions? it's not that simple. IMO there is lots of wiggle room for manslaughter even with a loose interpretation of the stand your ground defense. a lot of what they come down to is state of mind. the defense convinced the jury zimmerman was afraid for his life. me i don''t buy it.
 
2013-07-14 02:53:49 AM

ontariolightning: @911BUFF: A SHOOTING, CARJACKING, PEOPLE WITH KNIVES AND A PROTEST REPORTED IN SOUTH LA. LAPD IN FULL TACTICAL ALERT AFTER GZ VERDICT. #911BUFF


Finaly.

CALIFORNIA... knows how to party.
 
2013-07-14 02:53:56 AM
Prediction: The media is going to be forced to report the facts, in an attempt to calm things down. This will be received as propaganda.

Oopsie.
 
2013-07-14 02:54:16 AM
I don't think these Oakland guys are going home. They're all going the same direction... maybe reforming. Or they're all chipping in on an 80 bedroom apartment.
 
2013-07-14 02:54:38 AM

ontariolightning: LA is in full tactical alert says scanner


Hope nobody's delivering newspapers!
 
2013-07-14 02:55:21 AM

oregon fubaralas: ontariolightning: @911BUFF: A SHOOTING, CARJACKING, PEOPLE WITH KNIVES AND A PROTEST REPORTED IN SOUTH LA. LAPD IN FULL TACTICAL ALERT AFTER GZ VERDICT. #911BUFF

Finaly.

CALIFORNIA... knows how to party.


Seriously. Do we Californians have to do EVERYTHING for you people?

/you people
 
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