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2013-07-14 02:19:31 AM
well i'm disappointed. this is the worse possible outcome. but hey i didn't hear the jury's instructions. i have by now read them. i really don't see how he got off although there is IMO lots of wiggle room in the instructions.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/153354467/George-Zimmerman-Trial-Final-Jur y- Instructions
 
2013-07-14 02:19:46 AM

Shryke: NBC has fired both reporters and issued a half assed apology already.


I guess that makes everything OK.  I mean, no harm no foul.

/this wasn't a minor transgression on the part of NBC, it was malicious and defamatory, and it was (still is, actually) dangerous
 
2013-07-14 02:20:01 AM
Treygreen13: RINO: I'm not even going to try to read all of this thread. All I want to know is if Zimmerman can now sue NBC or whomver it was that edited the recording of his call withethe dispatcher.

He already has.


GOOD, I hope its ZBC when his lawyers get done with them
 
2013-07-14 02:20:50 AM

ontariolightning: Twitters bored of zimmerman now they are upset over Fins death


I guess that's the beauty of Twitter. While it might be a mass of uninformed reactionary cockbags, at least they have a short attention span.
 
2013-07-14 02:20:51 AM

itsaidwhat: Government Fromage: Sorry I'm late to this thread. Has anyone said:

It was suggested, but I read them all but I think you were the first w pic. Kudos.


Correction. It was suggested - I've read them all - and I think yours was the first (and only).
 
2013-07-14 02:20:54 AM

shower_in_my_socks: tollbooth_willy: "In the police report, Gray claimed that Alexander came over to drop off their daughter, and that when he rebuffed Alexander's request to spend the night, she "became enraged and began striking him on the face." Gray said he raised his hands, the report continues, and he yelled out to his sons to call the police. The responding officer wrote that Gray's children corroborated that account. "

Right, because an abusive husband with a criminal record of domestic abuse and a personal beef against the defendant is a really credible witness. And there's no way a guy's kids would lie to back up their dad, especially a dude with a history of violence against people close to him, right?


so now you are speculating and are in the "fact-free" zone.
I think the kids would either be scared shiatless of the mom for firing a gun or they would be impressed by here.
 
2013-07-14 02:20:56 AM

namatad: EvilRacistNaziFascist: ontariolightning: In other news (CBS News) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - A Florida woman who fired warning shots against her allegedly abusive husband has been sentenced to 20 years in prison.

Disgraceful.

IN WHAT universe was she not acquitted using the stand your ground statute?
how was she even CHARGED in the first place?

I cant wait until a politician, judge or a cop is killed and the killer gets off  because he was standing his ground and felt his life was in jeopardy.


To answer what universe: Angela Corey's. She prosecuted both cases.
Hypocrisy seems to mean the same woman prosecuting two people claiming self defense.
 
2013-07-14 02:21:19 AM

Fark It: Shryke: NBC has fired both reporters and issued a half assed apology already.

I guess that makes everything OK.  I mean, no harm no foul.

/this wasn't a minor transgression on the part of NBC, it was malicious and defamatory, and it was (still is, actually) dangerous


Please read my prior posts. I hope NBC is bankrupted.
 
2013-07-14 02:21:29 AM
Riot damage in Oakland. Riot police approaching protestors in Los Angeles
 
2013-07-14 02:21:43 AM

Curious: well i'm disappointed. this is the worse possible outcome. but hey i didn't hear the jury's instructions. i have by now read them. i really don't see how he got off although there is IMO lots of wiggle room in the instructions.


You read the instructions, but - let me guess - you didn't watch any of the trial or see any of the actual facts or evidence presented, and yet you are surprised that you can't see how he was found not guilty?
 
2013-07-14 02:21:43 AM

ontariolightning: Twitters bored of zimmerman now they are upset over Fins death


I think you mean Finis
 
2013-07-14 02:22:09 AM
 Wil Wheaton@wilw
Stalking and shooting unarmed teenagers because you're a paranoid racist! AMIRIGHTGUYS?! YEAH! #farkYouGeorgeZimmermanDieInAFire
https://twitter.com/wilw/status/356240381358247938

Go home wil, you're drunk #JUSTICEFORCHRISCHAMBERS 1947-1987
 
2013-07-14 02:22:20 AM
You know, the corncake pancakes that IHOP had going for a while were pretty farking righteous. Add a side of extra crispy bacon and it was almost be a religious experience. But really, what I want to know is what's better with scrambled eggs...Tobasco or Franks?
Debate!

Oops. Almost spilled my bourbon. What were we talking about?
 
2013-07-14 02:22:35 AM

steamingpile: tenpoundsofcheese: tiggis: They cant file a wrongful death civil suit in this case because Stand your Ground is designed to not allow it.

Stand Your Ground had NOTHING to do with this case.

Seriously, why do people who didn't watch the trial or didn't understand it keep reporting "facts"?

It does to a certain extent and was only rejected by the judge because of the way charges were filed. I feel there will be more people biatching about this for years and just won't get over it.


You are wrong again.
Seriously, when you are in a hole, stop digging.
 
2013-07-14 02:22:44 AM

Treygreen13: Shryke: Boojum2k: Shryke: NBC has fired both reporters and issued a half assed apology already.

Which buys zero hams, legally. They inflicted the damage, they are responsible for it. They basically committed a BP oil spill all over the American public.

My point was NBC knows they are guilty of severe defamation. I predict a confidential settlement, 8 figures.

I imagine NBC will drag their feet on it to keep Zimmerman in the news. So they can report on it.


Treygreen13: Shryke: Boojum2k: Shryke: NBC has fired both reporters and issued a half assed apology already.

Which buys zero hams, legally. They inflicted the damage, they are responsible for it. They basically committed a BP oil spill all over the American public.

My point was NBC knows they are guilty of severe defamation. I predict a confidential settlement, 8 figures.

I imagine NBC will drag their feet on it to keep Zimmerman in the news. So they can report on it.


Nah. Reporting on their own malicious tactics is somewhat bad for advertising revenue.
 
2013-07-14 02:22:47 AM

Curious: well i'm disappointed. this is the worse possible outcome. but hey i didn't hear the jury's instructions. i have by now read them. i really don't see how he got off although there is IMO lots of wiggle room in the instructions.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/153354467/George-Zimmerman-Trial-Final-Jur y- Instructions


It was the  onlypossible outcome.
 
2013-07-14 02:22:57 AM
Well what do you know, now the NAACP is pushing for civil rights charges. Good luck with that.
 
2013-07-14 02:23:17 AM

Curious: well i'm disappointed. this is the worse possible outcome. but hey i didn't hear the jury's instructions. i have by now read them. i really don't see how he got off although there is IMO lots of wiggle room in the instructions.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/153354467/George-Zimmerman-Trial-Final-Jur y- Instructions


The state of Florida failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that George Zimmerman committed murder in the second degree, or that he didn't act in self-defense.

It's kind of simple, really.
 
2013-07-14 02:23:27 AM

shower_in_my_socks: tollbooth_willy: "In the police report, Gray claimed that Alexander came over to drop off their daughter, and that when he rebuffed Alexander's request to spend the night, she "became enraged and began striking him on the face." Gray said he raised his hands, the report continues, and he yelled out to his sons to call the police. The responding officer wrote that Gray's children corroborated that account. "

Right, because an abusive husband with a criminal record of domestic abuse and a personal beef against the defendant is a really credible witness. And there's no way a guy's kids would lie to back up their dad, especially a dude with a history of violence against people close to him, right?


"There was the 911 call ... and you can clearly hear the distress in Rico Gray's voice. They had a verbal argument [in which] he said 'I'm outta here,' and she said, 'I've got something for you..." and then fired the shot.

What an innocent, innocent woman.
 
2013-07-14 02:24:25 AM
Pancakes: Real maple syrup or get the fark out.
 
2013-07-14 02:24:31 AM

TheEdibleSnuggie: Unless you get the verdict that  YOU want to hear.  This beyond a reasonable doubt thing...yeah, that's kind of important.  And the prosecution didn't really do a good job of dispelling PLENTY of the doubt and confusion over what happened that night Trayvon died.


lecavalier: Then charge the person with the right crime.


Your sarcasm meters. Calibrate them.
 
2013-07-14 02:24:33 AM
Good.

There's no evidence whatsoever that this tragedy was little more than a misunderstanding between two men. Zimmerman was doing his civic duty by keeping eyes on someone he thought might be a burglar. It turns out, Martin wasn't a burglar, he was just your average non-criminal millenial. Trayvon likely thought he was being threatened, a reasonable assumption. Unfortunately it seems clear that Trayvon thought that initiating a physically forceful confrontation was a safe idea. This is NEVER a good idea in a country with a 2nd amendment. Be respectful of your fellow citizen and don't initiate force and you'll likely never get shot. Trayvon didn't think, he started a fight with someone who he reasonably though threatened him, and Zimmerman defended himself legally when he feared he would no longer be able to respond.

That's it, anything else is race-baiting nonsense. This is little more than a misunderstanding between too men that went too far. If there were other people nearby who would have had the good sense to intervene, it would have never gotten this far. If Trayvon runs home instead of finding Zimmerman, nothing happens. If Zimmerman watched from his car, nothing happens. No moral crime save the initiation of force occurred in this situation. We will never know who started it, but all testimony and evidence points to Trayvon starting the fight. Regardless, there's nothing racist about this tragedy, it's just what happens when fights go too far. If Zimmerman didn't have a gun on him, it's entirely possible he would end up like Brian Stow.
 
2013-07-14 02:24:44 AM
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Florida, we have Justice For George!
 
2013-07-14 02:26:12 AM

BarkingUnicorn: She had no legal right to enter  that house or even be within 100 yards of it.


I agree that she was stupid to go to the house. But that doesn't justify him assaulting her.

BarkingUnicorn: He never laid a hand on her, according to her own statements.  She claimed to be afraid that he would.


From CNN:  Alexander says that on August 1, 2010, her husband went into a rage and tried to strangle her after reading some text messages she sent to her ex-husband.

BarkingUnicorn: She couldn't get out of the garage because she left her keys and door opener in the kitchen.  She went back to get them, taking a gun from the glove compartment of her car.


This is the argument that I have been making. Going into a locked room (in this case, the garage) that she could not get out of is not "leaving the situation." Leaving the situation would be if she could have made it outside. After realizing she would have to go back into the house retrieve her keys and garage door opener, she armed herself because her enranged husband was still inside. Normally that would be a smart farking idea, but apparently that doesn't apply to some people.

BarkingUnicorn: The shell casing was found on the kitchen floor, not in the garage.


I know the shot was fired in the kitchen. I believe the hole was in the ceiling/wall in the kitchen.
 
2013-07-14 02:26:13 AM

Rwa2play:

It's gonna be fun when the tables are turned:  Older black man shoots white meth head trying to rob him but was fleeing when shot.  Wonder if some on right will be so elated with "Stand Your Ground".


I'm ok with it.
 
2013-07-14 02:26:17 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Well what do you know, now the NAACP is pushing for civil rights charges. Good luck with that.


There are a couple of petitions floating around on the interwebs already for the federal government to arrest Zimmerman for "civil rights violations."

I laughed pretty hard. Good luck with that, although it does sadden me that people want to ruin a now (proven) innocent man.
 
2013-07-14 02:26:17 AM
Well, one thing this trail has done for race relations in this country, Hispanic people are now considered white. I guess that was part of the new immigration deal or something.... enjoy.
 
2013-07-14 02:26:22 AM
We will have to see what tomorrow brings.  I think the fact that the verdict was read late on a Saturday night helped prevent some misconduct that would otherwise occur as people were already out and about or in bed.  We obviously will have a difference of opinion on the verdict.  Did we resolve the more difficult and divisive issue concerning pancakes, waffles, french toast, or other as the favorite breakfast treat?
 
2013-07-14 02:26:22 AM

MelGoesOnTour: For those of you bursting at the seams screaming "ZIMMERMAN STALKED A CHILD"....please at least acknowledge that this "child" was pretty buff-n-tuff looking. Also, it's not like your age is stamped on your forehead for all to see.  Jus' Sayin'.


Except that Zimmerman said himself that Martin looked to be "late teens."
 
2013-07-14 02:26:34 AM
casual disregard
The reality is race riots. The reality is anarchy. The reality is revolution.

You say that like they're bad or something.


Millennium
But anti-war groups? Why are they holding a rally connected to this?

Those particular groups are fronts for Marxist-Leninist organizations. They latch on to existing movements or the outrage-du-jour in order to try to trick people into joining their twisted cults.


skullkrusher
riots don't further any causes. We're not going to change our judicial system because some people burn down a bodega. That's asinine.

Rioting furthers nothing, right.
 
2013-07-14 02:26:59 AM
shiats on fire in Oakland
 
2013-07-14 02:27:13 AM

FlyingJ: Wil Wheaton@wilw
Stalking and shooting unarmed teenagers because you're a paranoid racist! AMIRIGHTGUYS?! YEAH! #farkYouGeorgeZimmermanDieInAFire
https://twitter.com/wilw/status/356240381358247938

Go home wil, you're drunk #JUSTICEFORCHRISCHAMBERS 1947-1987


Wow. What a scumbag. Glad that little pissant is gone from here.
 
2013-07-14 02:27:53 AM
Dear Florida,

Your gun laws are officially to the point where even Texas is wondering what the hell you are doing. A woman fires a warning shot in self defence gets 20 years, while a prejudiced gunman hunts down an unarmed teenager is let off scott free.

As much money as you get from the NRA, I'm certain it pails in comparison to the money you get from tourism. Thanks to your ass-backwards attitude and your unwillingness to deal with it, people will no longer visit your state and your economy will suffer for it.

Signed,

Civilized society
 
2013-07-14 02:27:54 AM

Bag-o-Nugs: The moment you've broken into somebody's house they are within their legal rights to shoot you dead under Florida law.


Ah, but not if they LEAVE THE SITUATION. Which apparently means just leaving the room. Remember?
 
2013-07-14 02:28:20 AM

Mistymtnhop: MelGoesOnTour: For those of you bursting at the seams screaming "ZIMMERMAN STALKED A CHILD"....please at least acknowledge that this "child" was pretty buff-n-tuff looking. Also, it's not like your age is stamped on your forehead for all to see.  Jus' Sayin'.

Except that Zimmerman said himself that Martin looked to be "late teens."


So between 17-19?
 
2013-07-14 02:28:26 AM
ontariolightning: shiats on fire in Oakland

Itsn't that an improvement?
 
2013-07-14 02:28:43 AM
Oh and more germane to the topic, as an old friend once told me long ago, "there's nothing worse than a cop-wannabe".
 
2013-07-14 02:28:48 AM
We have our first smashed police car of the night
 
2013-07-14 02:29:02 AM

Electrify: Dear Florida,

Your gun laws are officially to the point where even Texas is wondering what the hell you are doing. A woman fires a warning shot in self defence gets 20 years, while a prejudiced gunman hunts down an unarmed teenager is let off scott free.

As much money as you get from the NRA, I'm certain it pails in comparison to the money you get from tourism. Thanks to your ass-backwards attitude and your unwillingness to deal with it, people will no longer visit your state and your economy will suffer for it.

Signed,

Civilized society


Really?

Can we do it with a knife?
 
2013-07-14 02:29:36 AM

shower_in_my_socks: Bag-o-Nugs: The moment you've broken into somebody's house they are within their legal rights to shoot you dead under Florida law.

Ah, but not if they LEAVE THE SITUATION. Which apparently means just leaving the room. Remember?


Still won't address the fact that the 911 recording had Grey saying "I'm outta here" and Alexander saying "I got something for you" and then firing the shot, will you?

There is a reason the jury deliberated less than 20 minutes.
 
2013-07-14 02:29:42 AM

Oldiron_79: ontariolightning: shiats on fire in Oakland

Itsn't that an improvement?


Anyone got a link?
 
2013-07-14 02:29:49 AM

Delay: An armed man tracked down and killed a kid because of his skin color and the armed man disliked the kid's presence in the neighborhood..

That's not guilty in Florida!

Let's all agree, the American justice system is farked.


The public education system certainly is.
 
2013-07-14 02:30:08 AM
 
2013-07-14 02:30:21 AM

Mentat: That's a nice tidy definition, but it gets very confusing in real life situations.  The Florida law in particular has been criticized by a task force that felt it couldn't be rewritten and should be repealed.  Regardless, in a real life situation like this, no one is going to stop and say "Is this a SYG scenario?", they're going to react and let the court sort it out later.  In fact, that seems to happen a lot in Florida.  After all, if the only other witness is dead, who's to say you didn't feel your life was threatened?  And again, we don't know exactly what happened when Trayvon confronted Zimmerman the final time.  If he saw the gun, or if god forbid Zimmerman drew the gun, Trayvon could easily have felt he was in mortal danger.  We'll never know though because he's dead and Zimmerman sure as hell will never admit to something like that.


The only time it is advisable to run up and start punching a guy you see is carrying a gun is if you have whole life insurace, but cant afford the monthly bloodletting,  and you have a couple of kids and you know if you werent there to provide, the wife would move into any shiathole, putting your kids in danger.
In that case,  since you want a death so that the insurance will pay, but not for suicide, go ahead and start punching on the guy carrying the gun.
 
2013-07-14 02:30:26 AM
Couple hundred people marching through the streets of Oakland with a banner reading fark THE POLICE

Stream
 
2013-07-14 02:30:27 AM

rhiannon: So can you stir something up? Lot of people on Fark are depending on it


Actually, I was joking to my girl tonight that we should walk into Beer-Thirty and yell "NOT GUILTY!!! YAAAAYYYYYYY!!!."  But she didn't want to be tomorrow's news

/beer-thirty is a place where you probably don't want to do that
 
2013-07-14 02:30:47 AM

Electrify: Dear Florida,

Your gun laws are officially to the point where even Texas is wondering what the hell you are doing. A woman fires a warning shot in self defence gets 20 years, while a prejudiced gunman hunts down an unarmed teenager is let off scott free.

As much money as you get from the NRA, I'm certain it pails in comparison to the money you get from tourism. Thanks to your ass-backwards attitude and your unwillingness to deal with it, people will no longer visit your state and your economy will suffer for it.

Signed,

Civilized society


Electrify,

Check out the discussion in this thread regarding that trial. There is more to the story than you're getting.
 
2013-07-14 02:30:50 AM

Daedalus27: We will have to see what tomorrow brings.  I think the fact that the verdict was read late on a Saturday night helped prevent some misconduct that would otherwise occur as people were already out and about or in bed.  We obviously will have a difference of opinion on the verdict.  Did we resolve the more difficult and divisive issue concerning pancakes, waffles, french toast, or other as the favorite breakfast treat?


There is no issue to resolve: The best breakfast is room service Eggs Benedict.
 
2013-07-14 02:30:57 AM

Electrify: Your gun laws are officially to the point where even Texas is wondering what the hell you are doing.


No, Texas is still king when it comes to insane gun laws. I think Texas was the state that let a guy off a few years ago after he shot and killed a man breaking into a storage shed in his back yard. His life wasn't in danger. Dude wasn't in his house. Just an @sshole thief, but in Texas theft is apparently a capital offense and you get to be the judge, jury, and executioner if someone's stealing junk out of your back yard.
 
2013-07-14 02:31:39 AM
What bothers me the most about this case is that there are problems with our criminal justice system and how it treats minorities.  Too many people wrapped this case up in that idea though.  This was not the banner case to expose the criminal justice system, and more specifically, our drug laws and disparities in criminal sentencing.  Not to mention the gun control angle, which has been pushed heavily by the activist left as well.  This histrionic temper tantrum is only going to insulate those who are on the fence or the other side from acknowledging the very real racial disparities in the criminal justice system.  Trayvon Martin is a piss-poor martyr, and his parents are awful people who punted their kid back and forth and failed to raise him properly.  Getting caught with stolen jewelry and being suspended from school for drugs and fighting is not "typical teenaged behavior."  Those are warning signs.
 
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