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2013-07-14 02:08:17 AM
I need to go get some Arizona Watermelon beverage and Skittles so I can sip on some lean.  Oh wait, those were for the other kid there.. in the rain.. you morons.
 
2013-07-14 02:08:23 AM

HBK: FlyingJ: Owangotang: Crowd gathered at a horse statue in Chicago, moment of silence for Trayvon with fists lifted in the air.

Reese's? Wha'happen to the Skittles?
[axiomamnesia.com image 426x640]
Am I the only one that saw this picture and felt a little sorry for the horse? Give the reins some slack.


img2.timeinc.net
 
2013-07-14 02:08:31 AM

DoctorCal: Nope. Always Sunny.


had some friends over

yes I do

english muffins
 
2013-07-14 02:08:42 AM

gnosis301: What's with people saying Zimmerman's going to get money from NBC?


Early on NBC was caught, and admitted to, editing an audio recording to make Zimmerman sound racist.  I wouldn't be surprised if a lawsuit was in order.
 
2013-07-14 02:08:48 AM

HBK: gnosis301: What's with people saying Zimmerman's going to get money from NBC?

NBC edited the 911 call to make it sound like Zimmerman called the police because Martin was black. I think he already has a suit filed against NBC.

He also has a potential suit against CNN for posting his social security number and phone number.


They're litigious people, you know.
 
2013-07-14 02:09:11 AM

LtDarkstar: Black people really do bring racism upon themselves.


Come on man, really? Take that somewhere else.
 
2013-07-14 02:09:14 AM
For those of you bursting at the seams screaming "ZIMMERMAN STALKED A CHILD"....please at least acknowledge that this "child" was pretty buff-n-tuff looking. Also, it's not like your age is stamped on your forehead for all to see.  Jus' Sayin'.
 
2013-07-14 02:09:49 AM

LtDarkstar: proteon: (take 2)

The OJ verdict being watched live in the student union of Augustana College in 1995

[i.imgur.com image 600x450]

Why didn't they air the results in the middle of the day so I can be surrounded by pouting black people and laugh and shout and shove it in THEIR faces!  Black people really do bring racism upon themselves.


I work at a prison too! Tomorrow will be fun just the same.
 
2013-07-14 02:10:00 AM

i.imgur.com

shiat. Looks like Zimmerman's already claimed another victim. And how did he get to Vancouver so fast?

 
2013-07-14 02:10:14 AM

shower_in_my_socks: tollbooth_willy: So...we already established that she was violating the restraining order by going to a house she didn't live at.  Now you're saying her car was in a garage that she couldn't get out of?  How'd the car get in there?

It was THEIR former house. She went there to get her shiat out. She didn't think he would be there. He showed up and saw a text on her cell from a former husband. He got pissed and started beating and strangling her. From the articles that I read, she couldn't get out of the garage. I don't know why. Maybe he parked behind her? But here's a farking idea - why don't you read about the farking case before attacking people who have?


You have a very bad memory.  I just read four articles from May, 2012, when the trial was underway.

1. She was under a restraining order forbidding her from being near him or places he was known to frequent.  His residence and workplace would have been among places specifically named.  Doesn't matter if she owned it entirely. Doesn't matter whether he was there. She had no legal right to enter  that house or even be within 100 yards of it.  In such circumstances, the legal thing to do is get cops to accompany you and other people to get your stuff out.  Don''t try to sneak into a place you're barred from by a judge.

2. He never laid a hand on her, according to her own statements.  She claimed to be afraid that he would.

3. She couldn't get out of the garage because she left her keys and door opener in the kitchen.  She went back to get them, taking a gun from the glove compartment of her car.

4. The shell casing was found on the kitchen floor, not in the garage.

Now, back to your remedial reading with you.
 
2013-07-14 02:10:18 AM

gnosis301: What's with people saying Zimmerman's going to get money from NBC?


Zimmerman is suing NBC for airing edited bits of his 911 tape that he claims were organized to make him sound racist. Some folks are under the impression that he'll be able to beat a national news network and their army of lawyers, and become a millionaire from it, although I don't believe his suit has mentioned a dollar amount that they're seeking.
 
2013-07-14 02:10:29 AM
Like I said in a redlit thread.
It seems Florida has changed its State Motto to Valar Morghulis.
 
2013-07-14 02:10:39 AM
Top story in alternate universe:  Travon Marting convicted of 2nd degree murder in beating death of George Zimmerman.
 
2013-07-14 02:10:58 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Early on NBC was caught, and admitted to, editing an audio recording to make Zimmerman sound racist.  I wouldn't be surprised if a lawsuit was in order.


I believe he already has one filed.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/06/us/florida-zimmerman-nbc-lawsuit
 
HBK
2013-07-14 02:11:18 AM

EatenTheSun: HBK: FlyingJ: Owangotang: Crowd gathered at a horse statue in Chicago, moment of silence for Trayvon with fists lifted in the air.

Reese's? Wha'happen to the Skittles?
[axiomamnesia.com image 426x640]
Am I the only one that saw this picture and felt a little sorry for the horse? Give the reins some slack.

[img2.timeinc.net image 510x317]


I didn't see that movie and don't get the reference. Look at the horse's lips and how hard it looks like he's pulling the reins. He's pulling the reins really hard and the bit is pulling against the horse's teeth and lips.
 
2013-07-14 02:11:20 AM

Krakaan: I don't see how people are at all confused at the verdict.
#1 Under US law the burden of proof rests on the prosecution
#2 This entire past week all the articles and commentary (I have seen linked on Fark and abroad) have been on how shoddy, terrible, and lacking of evidence the prosecution had.
#3 The manslaughter charge was a last ditch attempt to try and save face and probably made a poor impression on the jury about how confident the prosecution felt about their case. (Spoiler: Not very)

This entire case was a MURDER trial and the prosecution utterly and miserably FAILED to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was guilty.

Now putting on our SPECULATION glasses, I believe if a Manslaughter charge had been pursued from the beginning knowing full well the defense was going to use the "Stand your ground" statute they could have made a much better case and Zimmerman, as much of a douche that he may be; would have wound up with either the same verdict or the community approved 5-10.

It's really NOT THAT HARD PEOPLE. Now can we discuss the most important topic of breakfast foodstuffs?

I'm voting for french toast sticks.


The problem is, unlike other states, Florida has no "grading" of self-defense; in other words, it does not allow for the possibility that a self-defense was legitimate, but used excess force. Such a gradation would have made involuntary manslaughter an easy "get".  But since Florida doesn't have that gradation, it's either all-or-nothing: He's either totally guilty of his crime, or he's totally not guilty of it.  That's why the judge's allowance for the jury to consider manslaughter was so controversial, especially since the prosecution had used its whole case trying to prove murder, which is "malice aforethought". Even though manslaughter is not malice aforethought, the fact that self-defense is all-or-nothing pretty much means that even had the prosecution been trying for manslaughter from the start, if the self-defense was found legitimate, Zimmerman walks anyway. So pretty much the defenses two options are to go for the full Murder 2, or not prosecute at all...which wasn't really an option, was it?
 
2013-07-14 02:11:23 AM

Treygreen13: Delay: Treygreen13: Because the American Justice System demands proof that people commit crimes instead of just hanging people based on assumptions.

OK you want proof. Which of the statements do you disagree with? Let's take them in order.

Was Mr. Zimmerman armed?

Save it. The trial happened and he was found not guilty. If you want to re-hash all the proof go look up the case. It's all there for you to go look at.


Lame
 
2013-07-14 02:12:20 AM

IlGreven: The problem is, unlike other states, Florida has no "grading" of self-defense; in other words, it does not allow for the possibility that a self-defense was legitimate, but used excess force. Such a gradation would have made involuntary manslaughter an easy "get".  But since Florida doesn't have that gradation, it's either all-or-nothing: He's either totally guilty of his crime, or he's totally not guilty of it.  That's why the judge's allowance for the jury to consider manslaughter was so controversial, especially since the prosecution had used its whole case trying to prove murder, which is "malice aforethought". Even though manslaughter is not malice aforethought, the fact that self-defense is all-or-nothing pretty much means that even had the prosecution been trying for manslaughter from the start, if the self-defense was found legitimate, Zimmerman walks anyway. So pretty much the defensesstate'stwo options are to go for the full Murder 2, or not prosecute at all...which wasn't really an option, was it?


Oops. Long day.
 
2013-07-14 02:13:02 AM

shower_in_my_socks: gnosis301: What's with people saying Zimmerman's going to get money from NBC?

Zimmerman is suing NBC for airing edited bits of his 911 tape that he claims were organized to make him sound racist. Some folks are under the impression that he'll be able to beat a national news network and their army of lawyers, and become a millionaire from it, although I don't believe his suit has mentioned a dollar amount that they're seeking.


Article says "in excess of the jurisdictional limits" so you can bet quite a bit. Also his attorney is O'Mara, who just crushed The State of Florida in court earlier this evening.
 
2013-07-14 02:13:09 AM

shower_in_my_socks: gnosis301: What's with people saying Zimmerman's going to get money from NBC?

Zimmerman is suing NBC for airing edited bits of his 911 tape that he claims were organized to make him sound racist. Some folks are under the impression that he'll be able to beat a national news network and their army of lawyers, and become a millionaire from it, although I don't believe his suit has mentioned a dollar amount that they're seeking.


NBC has fired both reporters and issued a half assed apology already.
 
2013-07-14 02:13:15 AM

tollbooth_willy: shower_in_my_socks: tollbooth_willy: So...we already established that she was violating the restraining order by going to a house she didn't live at.  Now you're saying her car was in a garage that she couldn't get out of?  How'd the car get in there?

It was THEIR former house. She went there to get her shiat out. She didn't think he would be there. He showed up and saw a text on her cell from a former husband. He got pissed and started beating and strangling her. From the articles that I read, she couldn't get out of the garage. I don't know why. Maybe he parked behind her? But here's a farking idea - why don't you read about the farking case before attacking people who have?

No need to get your panties in a bunch.  It was a valid question, not an attack.


He might have read about the case, but the media reporting on the facts of the Marissa Alexander story has been even worse than the reporting on the facts of the Zimmerman case. The facts that came out in court are quite different than the facts the Marissa Alexander and the media have been shopping around.

Marissa Alexander had a restraining order against her SO. She went to the house thinking that he wasn't home, "to get her stuff." Given that she wasn't actually living there at the time, this was technically breaking and entering. Any way you slice it, she violated the restraining order herself.

There was an argument. By her own admission she left the confrontation, returned, and recklessly discharged a firearm with her children present in the room. The bullet entered the wall at head height and deflected into the ceiling, it could have gone anywhere, including into her children or through the wall into the neighbor's house.

She then refused a 3yr plea bargain, despite being told SYG and self-defense would not apply because she left the situation and returned with a handgun, and she decided to roll the dice on jury trial anyways. Florida has mandatory minimum sentencing for any felony committed with a gun, so her sentence isn't even disproportionately high.

The jury took less than 20 minutes to convict her, because, again, she admitted at trial to leaving the confrontation and returning with a gun.

You can see Angela Corey's take here.

People want the Marissa Alexander case - just like the Zimmerman case - to be about racism so badly they distort the facts for the sake of sensationalism. It's just not there, and the Marissa Alexander case, like the Zimmerman case, is not the civil rights case they are looking for.
 
2013-07-14 02:13:29 AM

oregon fubaralas: taste the rainbow


Taste the innocence, (courtesy of farker Trixie Delite).
 
2013-07-14 02:13:37 AM
shower_in_my_socks:  I don't know why. Maybe he parked behind her? But here's a farking idea - why don't you read about the farking case before attacking people who have?

Funny!
I don't know what happened but don't attack me since I know all about it.

Can you divide by zero?
 
2013-07-14 02:14:24 AM

tollbooth_willy: "In the police report, Gray claimed that Alexander came over to drop off their daughter, and that when he rebuffed Alexander's request to spend the night, she "became enraged and began striking him on the face." Gray said he raised his hands, the report continues, and he yelled out to his sons to call the police. The responding officer wrote that Gray's children corroborated that account. "


Right, because an abusive husband with a criminal record of domestic abuse and a personal beef against the defendant is a really credible witness. And there's no way a guy's kids would lie to back up their dad, especially a dude with a history of violence against people close to him, right?
 
2013-07-14 02:14:55 AM

Treygreen13: ThrobblefootSpectre: Early on NBC was caught, and admitted to, editing an audio recording to make Zimmerman sound racist.  I wouldn't be surprised if a lawsuit was in order.

I believe he already has one filed.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/06/us/florida-zimmerman-nbc-lawsuit


Cool.  Hope he gets a cool few million from em.  I wonder how much that old couple got from spike lee for tweeting the wrong address, saying it was zimmerman's, then they started getting death threats on their door.
 
2013-07-14 02:14:58 AM

Shryke: NBC has fired both reporters and issued a half assed apology already.


Which buys zero hams, legally. They inflicted the damage, they are responsible for it. They basically committed a BP oil spill all over the American public.
 
2013-07-14 02:15:01 AM

TheDumbBlonde: oregon fubaralas: taste the rainbow

Taste the innocence, (courtesy of farker Trixie Delite).


I don't understand that at all.
 
2013-07-14 02:15:09 AM

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 307x230]shiat. Looks like Zimmerman's already claimed another victim. And how did he get to Vancouver so fast?


#justiceforcorymonteith
 
2013-07-14 02:15:40 AM
I'm not even going to try to read all of this thread. All I want to know is if Zimmerman can now sue NBC or whomver it was that edited the recording of his call withethe dispatcher.
 
2013-07-14 02:15:53 AM
Hahaha Angela Corey getting ripped to threads by analysts now. Can't wait for her disgusting ass to get removed from office and charged with evidence tampering.
 
2013-07-14 02:16:00 AM
jesus won
 
2013-07-14 02:16:07 AM
New thread: Angela Corey Monteith. Bad actor's career now dead.
 
2013-07-14 02:16:40 AM
Sorry I'm late to this thread. Has anyone said:

funnycatwallpapers.com
 
2013-07-14 02:16:41 AM

Rwa2play: It's gonna be fun when the tables are turned: Older black man shoots white meth head trying to rob him but was fleeing when shot. Wonder if some on right will be so elated with "Stand Your Ground".


Switch "Fleeing when shot" to "Applying deadly force face to face at the time that he was shot by the victim of that force" and I'm all in on the older black man. Unless the "White meth head" was running towards the older black mans family screaming that he was going to kill them and had the means to do so there is no justifiable reason to shoot him at that time. Once he laid hands on them is an entirely different story.

Self-defense is not always black and white (pun not intended) but it's becoming clear to me that many people don't know when it may or may not be legally applied. Martin obviously didn't know where that line was because he crossed it and kept on running.

He should have (pick one):
A) Stopped when he was told by Good that he was calling the police
B) Stopped when Zimmerman was screaming for help
C) Stopped when Zimmerman was down and no longer fighting

Answer:
D) All of the above

He chose poorly and suffered the consequences of his own decisions. In the end it was his own parents that failed him in not bringing up a decent human being.
 
2013-07-14 02:16:43 AM

RINO: I'm not even going to try to read all of this thread. All I want to know is if Zimmerman can now sue NBC or whomver it was that edited the recording of his call withethe dispatcher.


That's been on my mind too.
 
2013-07-14 02:16:46 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Treygreen13: ThrobblefootSpectre: Early on NBC was caught, and admitted to, editing an audio recording to make Zimmerman sound racist.  I wouldn't be surprised if a lawsuit was in order.

I believe he already has one filed.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/06/us/florida-zimmerman-nbc-lawsuit

Cool.  Hope he gets a cool few million from em.  I wonder how much that old couple got from spike lee for tweeting the wrong address, saying it was zimmerman's, then they started getting death threats on their door.


He apparently settled that case with them. Undisclosed amount as far as I can tell.
 
2013-07-14 02:16:54 AM

Elegy: Marissa Alexander Case

.

Oh, and the other thing that exposes Marissa Alexander's story is the 911 call. Her SO, Grey, was on the phone with 911 because SHE had initiated the confrontation and was violating the restraining order by being in her house, so he called 911 to get the police over there.

When Alexander returned with the gun, the jury heard her say "I got something for you" and then a shot on the tape.

Let me tell you, this is an innocent, persecuted woman right here.
 
2013-07-14 02:17:21 AM

Boojum2k: Shryke: NBC has fired both reporters and issued a half assed apology already.

Which buys zero hams, legally. They inflicted the damage, they are responsible for it. They basically committed a BP oil spill all over the American public.


My point was NBC knows they are guilty of severe defamation. I predict a confidential settlement, 8 figures.
 
2013-07-14 02:17:23 AM

oregon fubaralas: TheDumbBlonde: oregon fubaralas: taste the rainbow

Taste the innocence, (courtesy of farker Trixie Delite).

I don't understand that at all.


Sorry, I suppose that doesn't translate well.
 
2013-07-14 02:17:40 AM

RINO: I'm not even going to try to read all of this thread. All I want to know is if Zimmerman can now sue NBC or whomver it was that edited the recording of his call withethe dispatcher.


He already has.
 
2013-07-14 02:17:59 AM

shower_in_my_socks: tollbooth_willy: "In the police report, Gray claimed that Alexander came over to drop off their daughter, and that when he rebuffed Alexander's request to spend the night, she "became enraged and began striking him on the face." Gray said he raised his hands, the report continues, and he yelled out to his sons to call the police. The responding officer wrote that Gray's children corroborated that account. "

Right, because an abusive husband with a criminal record of domestic abuse and a personal beef against the defendant is a really credible witness. And there's no way a guy's kids would lie to back up their dad, especially a dude with a history of violence against people close to him, right?


Good thing you weren't on the jury or the verdict might have taken 26 minutes instead of 20.
 
2013-07-14 02:18:09 AM

Government Fromage: Sorry I'm late to this thread. Has anyone said:


It was suggested, but I read them all but I think you were the first w pic. Kudos.
 
2013-07-14 02:18:10 AM

shower_in_my_socks: tollbooth_willy: "In the police report, Gray claimed that Alexander came over to drop off their daughter, and that when he rebuffed Alexander's request to spend the night, she "became enraged and began striking him on the face." Gray said he raised his hands, the report continues, and he yelled out to his sons to call the police. The responding officer wrote that Gray's children corroborated that account. "

Right, because an abusive husband with a criminal record of domestic abuse and a personal beef against the defendant is a really credible witness. And there's no way a guy's kids would lie to back up their dad, especially a dude with a history of violence against people close to him, right?


That 911 tape, the one where she is heard saying "I got something for you" and then shoots Grey?

Yeah, that's probably why the jury deliberated less than 20 minutes.

This is not the social justice case you are looking for.
 
2013-07-14 02:18:23 AM
Twitters bored of zimmerman now they are upset over Fins death
 
2013-07-14 02:18:31 AM

HBK: EatenTheSun: HBK: FlyingJ: Owangotang: Crowd gathered at a horse statue in Chicago, moment of silence for Trayvon with fists lifted in the air.

Reese's? Wha'happen to the Skittles?
[axiomamnesia.com image 426x640]
Am I the only one that saw this picture and felt a little sorry for the horse? Give the reins some slack.

[img2.timeinc.net image 510x317]

I didn't see that movie and don't get the reference. Look at the horse's lips and how hard it looks like he's pulling the reins. He's pulling the reins really hard and the bit is pulling against the horse's teeth and lips.


There's a particular phrase used in that movie that is relevant to the picture you posted, but not relevant to your statement.

My guess is that Trayvon Martin didn't have a lot of horse riding experience.
 
2013-07-14 02:18:36 AM

shower_in_my_socks: skullkrusher: unless the car was parked in the farking living room, she was out of the situation.

Cool. I'll break into your house and corner you in your garage and then laugh at you because you have no legal way to defend yourself. It'll be hilarious.


The moment you've broken into somebody's house they are within their legal rights to shoot you dead under Florida law.
 
2013-07-14 02:18:44 AM

Shryke: Boojum2k: Shryke: NBC has fired both reporters and issued a half assed apology already.

Which buys zero hams, legally. They inflicted the damage, they are responsible for it. They basically committed a BP oil spill all over the American public.

My point was NBC knows they are guilty of severe defamation. I predict a confidential settlement, 8 figures.


I imagine NBC will drag their feet on it to keep Zimmerman in the news. So they can report on it.
 
2013-07-14 02:19:18 AM

shower_in_my_socks: tollbooth_willy: "In the police report, Gray claimed that Alexander came over to drop off their daughter, and that when he rebuffed Alexander's request to spend the night, she "became enraged and began striking him on the face." Gray said he raised his hands, the report continues, and he yelled out to his sons to call the police. The responding officer wrote that Gray's children corroborated that account. "

Right, because an abusive husband with a criminal record of domestic abuse and a personal beef against the defendant is a really credible witness. And there's no way a guy's kids would lie to back up their dad, especially a dude with a history of violence against people close to him, right?


Sure.  The reasonable path is to blindly take the word of a woman who readily admitted she was breaking the law (visiting a house she had no business at and recklessly discharging a firearm in the presence of children).  I think I remember reading something upthread about another incident reported later where she attacked him.  That screams "sane" to me.
 
2013-07-14 02:19:19 AM
Glad it's over, now we can move on to actually important shiat.
 
2013-07-14 02:19:31 AM
well i'm disappointed. this is the worse possible outcome. but hey i didn't hear the jury's instructions. i have by now read them. i really don't see how he got off although there is IMO lots of wiggle room in the instructions.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/153354467/George-Zimmerman-Trial-Final-Jur y- Instructions
 
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