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2013-07-14 01:01:00 AM
 
2013-07-14 01:02:02 AM

Third Day Mark: I'm now convinced half the country was watching a different trial than I was.

911 Operator told him "Ok, we don't need you to do that."  >b?And Zimmerman followed the kid anyways.  Zimmerman had a loaded gun on him for neighborhood watch duty, who the f*ck does that.   He saw a black kid running home in the rain with his hood on and assumed he had robbed a nearby 7-11, so he says "They always get away, f*cking punks."

And he's not guilty of premeditated murder?   Lol yeah ok.


You weren't watching the trial. You know how I know? That was addressed many, many times during the trial.
 
2013-07-14 01:02:11 AM

Elegy: Elegy: About 50 people in Union Square rallying and protesting, crowd is pretty low key.

About 150 people marching and chanting in Chicago, much more lively, protest is still growing.

Police just arrived on scene for the Chicago protest.


===

Friend in 'Frisco : "Protest is gathering at 24th and Mission to march up to 16th. Helicopters overhead. At one and the same time my heart is with the protestors and I am praying for safety in my neighborhood."
 
2013-07-14 01:02:23 AM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: I have made French toast myself, which is quite an accomplishment considering I "don't cook."

Nonetheless, I prefer pancakes, but only if they're not gooey and fall-aparty.

I sure hope those jurors saw something I didn't see, because the guy who was just found not guilty was the guy with the gun, and as a rule of thumb, I never feel sorry for the guy with the gun. Remember, he's got the NRA on his side.

Why can't unarmed people have a lobbying group, too?

Hence, I'm announcing the birth of NUAA: National Unarmed Americans Association.


There's a joke about people with arm amputations having the right to bear arms in there somewhere, but its 1 am here.  I have to go get my race riot on.

/Apparently the entire internet thinks all of Florida are godless heathans who will break out our riot gear at the drop of a hat for any reason.
//actually having a sonic milkshake and finishing college algebra homework
 
2013-07-14 01:02:40 AM
I remember when this shiat started.  Everything I heard for weeks was how Zimmerman killed an innocent teen who had nothing on him but a bag of Skittles.  I have a friend from college who joined the Air Force and is currently stationed in Germany.  He sent me an email about this case who said that Zimmerman was completely innocent and that the entire arrest and court case was completely wrong.  It made me wonder about how biased the U.S. news media was on this case.

This went to trial, a jury found that Zimmerman did not break the law.  Let this please be the end of this.
 
2013-07-14 01:02:41 AM
ThatVANguy: [fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net image 480x960]

ROFLMFAO
 
2013-07-14 01:02:41 AM
 
2013-07-14 01:02:43 AM
Third Day Mark

I'm now convinced half the country was watching a different trial than I was.

911 Operator told him "Ok, we don't need you to do that." And Zimmerman followed the kid anyways. Zimmerman had a loaded gun on him for neighborhood watch duty, who the f*ck does that.


We were watching the Zimmerman trial, wherein it was never proven Zimmerman continued to follow Martin and Zimmerman wasn't on any watch duty.
 
2013-07-14 01:02:46 AM

Third Day Mark: I'm now convinced half the country was watching a different trial than I was.

911 Operator told him "Ok, we don't need you to do that."  And Zimmerman followed the kid anyways.  Zimmerman had a loaded gun on him for neighborhood watch duty, who the f*ck does that.   He saw a black kid running home in the rain with his hood on and assumed he had robbed a nearby 7-11, so he says "They always get away, f*cking punks."

And he's not guilty of premeditated murder?   Lol yeah ok.


Seems like the people actually watching the trial (the jury) saw it differently. Which turns out to be all that matters.

But thanks for the update on your perspective.
 
2013-07-14 01:02:52 AM

NorCalLos: NorCalLos: skullkrusher: NorCalLos: skullkrusher:

well, that's not rational then. Sure, he may be morally guilty of something but I don't think he is morally guilty of intentional murder. I have no ...

I don't know how old you are, but when 4 LAPD officers were acquitted of beating the crap out of Rodney King and people rioted, the 4 officers were charged again in federal court. IIRC, two of them were found guilty. It would not have happened if not for riots. Even if it doesn't do any good, the possibility that it might do some good--a feeling of empowerment at the very least--is more than they're likely to get through traditional channels. African-Americans are what? 15% of the population? They have very little political (economic) power and it's decreasing every day.

old enough to remember the Rodney King riots. It was rational to beat a white truck driver almost to death? This is nothing even close to the Rodney King situation. Those cops beat him savagely, on tape, and were acquitted. If our justice system is bullied into action by the violence of some members of the populace, that is not a good thing. We should not be trying people for crimes because some people are gonna become violent if we don't. We should be trying people for crimes because they should be tried for crimes.

If you want to say the Rodney King riots were understandable, that's one thing. To call them rational is in itself irrational

I'm not justifying the beating of Reginald Denny, or even the destruction of property--just making the point that rioting can make a difference in legal outcomes. With regard to your last comment, I don't think why people are tried is as important as whether or not they are tried and held accountable for their wrongdoing.

BTW, I agree that Zimmerman is probably not guilty of first-degree murder. He certainly could have been out hunting for nubians, but hearing the 911 call, I think he was genuinely convinced Trayvon was up to no good and he was genuinely scar ...


I think he was charged with 2nd degree but that's not really important - it sounds like you agree that he is not morally guilty of intentional murder regardless of the court decision. I agree. I don't think he wanted to kill someone. I think he did think that TM was up to no good. If his point was to just murder a black kid, he probably wouldn't have called 911 in the first place
 
2013-07-14 01:02:57 AM
Mods just toasted my link, so I thought I would share my link again without the name-calling. Now we just need to figure out how to make some of you more 'simple' farkers actually read it.

Here it is:
ZIMMERMAN HAS IMMUNITY. There is no civil suit. He is shielded from civil suits related to the death of Trayvon Martin.

Now now, before you spit-take your MountainDew & Scotch, and wake your mom shouting about "B-b-b-b-but OJ lost it all in a Wrongful death case!,"  allow me to calm your pimpled nerves. Let me save you the trouble of lots of sausage mashing on the keyboard:

The reason this is different from OJ is that OJ did not offer an affirmative defense of self-defense.  Zimmerman did.

You are welcome.  Enjoy your pancakes.
 
2013-07-14 01:02:58 AM

TheManofPA: TheManofPA: Shadow Blasko: cman: NuclearPenguins: TF voters, I am disappoint.

This wasn't us

We voted one up to 8 votes

We were ignored

Knock Knock,

Whos There?

Doesn't matter what you voted.

Awww....it threw away my Rock pic.


the original one?
 
2013-07-14 01:02:58 AM
All I'm saying is that Arizona would have convicted him.
 
2013-07-14 01:03:16 AM
I can't make pancakes. I'm like pancake challenged. I can cook pretty damn well, but I screw up every freaking pancake. It's a little embarrassing.
 
2013-07-14 01:03:21 AM
Tumunga I'm a Korean, living in Sanford, so I'm getting a kick...
/Come at me, fine African-American citizens.
4.bp.blogspot.com
But where were you/ in '92?
...hop the next AutoTrain before they go all Latasha Harlins on you...
 
2013-07-14 01:04:11 AM

Elegy: Third Day Mark: I'm now convinced half the country was watching a different trial than I was.

911 Operator told him "Ok, we don't need you to do that."  >b?And Zimmerman followed the kid anyways.  Zimmerman had a loaded gun on him for neighborhood watch duty, who the f*ck does that.   He saw a black kid running home in the rain with his hood on and assumed he had robbed a nearby 7-11, so he says "They always get away, f*cking punks."

And he's not guilty of premeditated murder?   Lol yeah ok.

You weren't watching the trial. You know how I know? That was addressed many, many times during the trial.


That was addressed, many many times, even in the closing arguments, as recently as friday.   "Zimmerman saw a kid running in baggy clothes, he knew a store was nearby, so he thought he must have robbed it."

The state of florida needs to fire every prosecutor they have and start from scratch.   We can't possibly f*ck up more than we have in our last two trials.
 
2013-07-14 01:04:33 AM
148 pitch no hitter by Big Time Timmy Jim
 
2013-07-14 01:04:33 AM

skullkrusher: NorCalLos: skullkrusher: NorCalLos: skullkrusher:

well, that's not rational then. Sure, he may be morally guilty of something but I don't think he is morally guilty of intentional murder. I have no ...

I don't know how old you are, but when 4 LAPD officers were acquitted of beating the crap out of Rodney King and people rioted, the 4 officers were charged again in federal court. IIRC, two of them were found guilty. It would not have happened if not for riots. Even if it doesn't do any good, the possibility that it might do some good--a feeling of empowerment at the very least--is more than they're likely to get through traditional channels. African-Americans are what? 15% of the population? They have very little political (economic) power and it's decreasing every day.

old enough to remember the Rodney King riots. It was rational to beat a white truck driver almost to death? This is nothing even close to the Rodney King situation. Those cops beat him savagely, on tape, and were acquitted. If our justice system is bullied into action by the violence of some members of the populace, that is not a good thing. We should not be trying people for crimes because some people are gonna become violent if we don't. We should be trying people for crimes because they should be tried for crimes.

If you want to say the Rodney King riots were understandable, that's one thing. To call them rational is in itself irrational

I'm not justifying the beating of Reginald Denny, or even the destruction of property--just making the point that rioting can make a difference in legal outcomes. With regard to your last comment, I don't think why people are tried is as important as whether or not they are tried and held accountable for their wrongdoing.

shiat dude, you said that it is rational to beat people and destroy your neighborhood because of an outcome of a court case. I think we can pretty safely say that there were probably precious few people who decided to riot those days because ...


Whatevs. You're full of shiat. I said nothing about beating people and I don't think you have any idea what those rioters were thinking, nor do I think what they were thinking/feeling has any bearing on our discussion. Since you're being ridiculous now, I'm not going to respond to any more of your comments.
 
2013-07-14 01:04:46 AM

cretinbob: ChaosStar: cretinbob: ChaosStar: Sbdolan: So what is up with people saying they cannot file for civil in florida? any one have a link?

Justified self defense means he is immune to civil action stemming from the event.
It's in the 776 chapter of Florida law

Only if he had a SYG hearing, which he waived.
He is not immune from civil penalties.
 O'Mara made sure that he can ride this cash cow as long as possible.

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You of all people want to challenge me on this?
WRONG
776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.-
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force

See that word "or"?
That means if they used any of those three statutes, and won, they are immune.
Period.

Yeah, that's why O'Mara is saying he's going to be Zimmerman's lawyer in any civil action.
SYG was never invoked. If it had, then you'd be correct. Zimmerman would have had to testify if SYG was invoked and he would have hung himself.

Go beat off somewhere else.


O'mera was talking about the feds, if they take action it will be under the civil rights violation acts, which are civil not criminal, as far as Martins family suing that is blocked under Florida law
 
2013-07-14 01:04:58 AM

Twitch Boy: Hey!  Tim Lincecum has a no-no through seven innings!



Hey thanks! On vacation in Vietnam and taking a break from news blackout to read this thread. I'll see if I can get this computer to multitask and see how Timmy is doing.
 
HBK
2013-07-14 01:05:22 AM

Giltric: steak (well done, smothered in katsup) and eggs(Fried so the yolk is solid).

fark bread like substances.


Your opinion is invalid. You may as well eat a piece of cardboard.
 
2013-07-14 01:05:59 AM
Hey guys! How're things? Haven't been here in a bit, anything special going on?
 
2013-07-14 01:06:18 AM

shower_in_my_socks: In other news, a Florida mom just got 20 years in prison for shooting WARNING SHOTS at her husband who had a history of domestic violence.

Hmm. Let's see what race she is...

[imageshack.com image 244x183]

Sorry, African Americans. Stand Your Ground laws just don't apply to you in Florida.


Wonder who the prosecutor in that case was?......


oh wait..   you don't know do you?    AHAHAHHAA
 
2013-07-14 01:06:20 AM

Twitch Boy: Twitch Boy: Hey!  Tim Lincecum has a no-no through seven innings!

Make that eight innings.


He got it.
 
2013-07-14 01:06:31 AM

ThatVANguy: [fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net image 480x960]


Beautiful
 
2013-07-14 01:07:35 AM
"We who believe in freedom shall not rest"
This is the tune the protestors are singing.
/the irony
 
2013-07-14 01:07:40 AM

smells_like_meat: Mrtraveler01: TardFarker: I looks like Barry isn't getting laid tonight

Why?

The white chick is busy.


lol
 
2013-07-14 01:07:41 AM

bulldg4life: 1487 pitch no hitter by Big Time Timmy Jim

 
2013-07-14 01:08:04 AM
Look Farklings, it's late and I'm going to retire.

I see here scores of OUTRAGED ignorant asshats who never paid a lick of attention to the trial, and never showed their prune-shriveled faces in the trial threads, outraged, OUTRAGED OUTRAGED OUTRAGED  that this White Bread KKK neo-Nazi Kneegrowe-Hunter named George Zimmerman was allwed to WALK FREE after stalking, hunting and eviscerating a helpless oppressed minority child who, when not attending Bible Study,  devoted his life to baking cupcakes for the elderly, the retarded and lost kittens.

Me? I'm truly pleased to see that these trumped-up, politically motivated charges were examined by the jury, and found to be as worthless as the initial police and investigators determined them to be.

As to the aftermath? I hope that there is peace - but that seems unlikely given the FACT that the media, political pundits and the POTUS have worked so hard and so long to WHIP the unwashed masses into a frenzy.

See you tomorrow.

We'll discuss what burned, and whether this civil unrest and mayhem is in fact good for society.

Pleasant dreams.

/And don't forget to root for YOUR political team
 
2013-07-14 01:08:15 AM

Waldo Pepper: http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/conte n t/news/articles/cfn/2013/7/9/_15_year_old_arreste.html


Quite a melting pot when it comes to criminals at that age huh?
 
2013-07-14 01:09:00 AM
Perhaps time for a clinical approach, and some extra, not-very-well-known info:

When someone is acquitted, it can fall under one of two cases:
Not Guilty, in which case the defendant is free from ANY further prosecution.
Not Proven, in which case the case can be revisited later, given further evidence.

News agencies rarely bother to distinguish.
This was a "Not Proven" verdict... meaning that the jury thought that there was at least a possibility that the shooting was justified... which again needs definition.

Justified shootings mean that given the information the shooter had AT THAT MOMENT, that he reasonably believed it was necessary in order to prevent death, serious injury, rape or kidnapping (to himself or anyone else).

Meaning that if someone comes at you with an authentic looking rubber knife, and you can reasonably describe that you were in fear for your life, a shooting is justified even though the threat wasn't real.

In this particular case, the waters were pretty damn muddy. The video footage is very suggestive, and certainly, the whole situation could have been better handled from the beginning... but, if at the very moment of the shooting, the shooter felt appropriately threatened.... it might still be considered justified.

We all know that animals and people both are more dangerous when cornered. That means that the shooter here shouldn't have cornered him... it also means that once that HAD been done, it's reasonable to think the shooter was still afraid for his life.
Stupidity and bias may have led the shooter to creating a bad situation, but from within said situation- the shooting MAY have been justified.

Which is exactly what the jury and court found in this case.

Since the burden of proof lies with the prosecution... the jury stated that the prosecution failed to appropriately prove intent for murder, or even for manslaughter.

More often than not, such cases are appealed. I suspect this one will be, which means this isn't over yet.

It also means the system is working (in this case) exactly as designed, and intended.

Our system is built on the principle of "Innocent until PROVEN guilty." It's been often restated thus: Better a hundred guilty men go free than one innocent man be jailed or killed.
If you don't like that, I suspect you'll like Napoleonic law even less- burden of proof there lay with the defendant: "Guilty until proven innocent."

It certainly seems as if Zimmerman assumed Travon's guilt when he followed him. Don't make the same mistake with Zimmerman. The prosecution needs to prove BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT. They failed to do so, and so the jury found the case "not proven," but the jury left the case open both to reopening (given new evidence) and appeal.

(As a side note: Perhaps this would be more appropriately handled as a civil case for wrongful death- as Zimmerman seemingly created the situation that got Travon killed, even if the shooting itself is ruled justified... the death is still his responsibility, it just wasn't murder.)
 
2013-07-14 01:09:09 AM
I wonder what Ingress would look like if it was the followers of TM vs GZ...

lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-07-14 01:09:18 AM
So has anyone mentioned the African American Anchor woman on Faux for tonite is cute?
 
2013-07-14 01:09:19 AM

Pr1nc3ss: I can't make pancakes. I'm like pancake challenged. I can cook pretty damn well, but I screw up every freaking pancake. It's a little embarrassing.


In this case I would suggest something like a electric griddle for even heating to start with. For many at first that makes it easier. Are they too runny? Fall apart? Burn? Too sour?
 
2013-07-14 01:09:21 AM

shower_in_my_socks: ontariolightning: (CBS News) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - A Florida woman who fired warning shots against her allegedly abusive husband has been sentenced to 20 years in prison.

It wasn't even "allegedly." Dude had a criminal record for beating up other women on two other occasions.


She was sentenced in May, 2012.  Farking  media's pretending it was today.
 
2013-07-14 01:09:53 AM
Florida law:

The killing of a human being is justifiable homicide and lawful if done while resisting an attempt by someone to kill you or to commit a felony against you.
http://www.richardhornsby.com/crimes/homicide/manslaughter.html
 
The most serious of basic assault charges under Florida law is aggravated battery. This is considered a felony of the second degree which carries a potential 15 years in prison and $10,000 in fines.

 You could be facing this very serious criminal charge if it's believed you


Caused great bodily harm or permanent disfigurement to someone in the commission of a battery or if you used a deadly weapon to commit a battery, orCommitted a battery against someone who was pregnant, very full, or constipated.http://www.assaultandbattery.org/florida/
 
2013-07-14 01:10:28 AM
Giants WR Victor Cruz just tweeted that Zimmerman will be murdered by "the hood" within a year.
 
2013-07-14 01:10:56 AM
Hey, not fair! Nobody told me there was a new thread. :p
 
2013-07-14 01:11:08 AM

Amos Quito: I see here scores of OUTRAGED ignorant asshats who never paid a lick of attention to the trial, and never showed their prune-shriveled faces in the trial threads, outraged, OUTRAGED OUTRAGED OUTRAGED that this White Bread KKK neo-Nazi Kneegrowe-Hunter named George Zimmerman was allwed to WALK FREE after stalking, hunting and eviscerating a helpless oppressed minority child who, when not attending Bible Study, devoted his life to baking cupcakes for the elderly, the retarded and lost kittens.


I don't see people saying that.

...what a delusional life you lead.
 
2013-07-14 01:11:08 AM

ARedthorn: Perhaps time for a clinical approach, and some extra, not-very-well-known info:

When someone is acquitted, it can fall under one of two cases:
Not Guilty, in which case the defendant is free from ANY further prosecution.
Not Proven, in which case the case can be revisited later, given further evidence.

News agencies rarely bother to distinguish.
This was a "Not Proven" verdict... meaning that the jury thought that there was at least a possibility that the shooting was justified... which again needs definition.

Justified shootings mean that given the information the shooter had AT THAT MOMENT, that he reasonably believed it was necessary in order to prevent death, serious injury, rape or kidnapping (to himself or anyone else).

Meaning that if someone comes at you with an authentic looking rubber knife, and you can reasonably describe that you were in fear for your life, a shooting is justified even though the threat wasn't real.

In this particular case, the waters were pretty damn muddy. The video footage is very suggestive, and certainly, the whole situation could have been better handled from the beginning... but, if at the very moment of the shooting, the shooter felt appropriately threatened.... it might still be considered justified.

We all know that animals and people both are more dangerous when cornered. That means that the shooter here shouldn't have cornered him... it also means that once that HAD been done, it's reasonable to think the shooter was still afraid for his life.
Stupidity and bias may have led the shooter to creating a bad situation, but from within said situation- the shooting MAY have been justified.

Which is exactly what the jury and court found in this case.

Since the burden of proof lies with the prosecution... the jury stated that the prosecution failed to appropriately prove intent for murder, or even for manslaughter.

More often than not, such cases are appealed. I suspect this one will be, which means this isn't over yet.

It ...


I'm not sure if you're trolling or Canadian, but Americans don't have "not proven" in their criminal trials.
 
2013-07-14 01:11:47 AM

NorCalLos: Whatevs. You're full of shiat. I said nothing about beating people and I don't think you have any idea what those rioters were thinking, nor do I think what they were thinking/feeling has any bearing on our discussion. Since you're being ridiculous now, I'm not going to respond to any more of your comments.


wow... I've been more cordial than I should have been to someone claiming that destruction of property and beating people is a "rational" decision yet *I* am the one that is full of shiat?

Listen, chump, it is not rational to burn down your neighborhood and beat innocent people no matter how farking badass it makes you think you are to say so on the internet.

This case is nothing at ALL like the Rodney King trials. Not even remotely. Keep pretending that it is because it fuels your righteous rage but you're not acting rationally and nor are people looting a Circuit Farking City because of the outcome of a court case.
 
2013-07-14 01:12:19 AM

Treygreen13: Giants WR Victor Cruz just tweeted that Zimmerman will be murdered by "the hood" within a year.


Do you have a screenshot? There is nothing there.
 
2013-07-14 01:12:41 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Amos Quito: I see here scores of OUTRAGED ignorant asshats who never paid a lick of attention to the trial, and never showed their prune-shriveled faces in the trial threads, outraged, OUTRAGED OUTRAGED OUTRAGED that this White Bread KKK neo-Nazi Kneegrowe-Hunter named George Zimmerman was allwed to WALK FREE after stalking, hunting and eviscerating a helpless oppressed minority child who, when not attending Bible Study, devoted his life to baking cupcakes for the elderly, the retarded and lost kittens.

I don't see people saying that.

...what a delusional life you lead.


no, just people continually talking about OJ as if that is somehow comparable. Real asshats those people are.
 
HBK
2013-07-14 01:13:01 AM

Third Day Mark: I'm now convinced half the country was watching a different trial than I was.

911 Operator told him "Ok, we don't need you to do that."  And Zimmerman followed the kid anyways.  Zimmerman had a loaded gun on him for neighborhood watch duty, who the f*ck does that.   He saw a black kid running home in the rain with his hood on and assumed he had robbed a nearby 7-11, so he says "They always get away, f*cking punks."

And he's not guilty of premeditated murder?   Lol yeah ok.


I'm convinced you didn't watch the trial. Or you understand nothing about law. Or you have no ability to reason.
 
2013-07-14 01:13:07 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: cman: NuclearPenguins: TF voters, I am disappoint.

This wasn't us

We voted one up to 8 votes

We were ignored

This. We had a pretty full thread going with the simple "not guilty" headline. I'm surprised they went with this one.


TF people problems.
 
2013-07-14 01:13:10 AM

Penman: iq_in_binary: Actively pursuing somebody starts a fight, sorry.

If someone is trying to get the fark away from you and you won't let them? You're instigating a fight.

He wasn't being pursued, he was being trailed. That isn't cause to attack someone, I'm sorry. This verdict proves that.


If only you'd been there to explain your understanding of the situation, none of this would have happened.
 
2013-07-14 01:13:16 AM

Third Day Mark: Dimensio: Mentat: Dimensio: "Feeling threatened" is not inherently justification for use of violence.

Why not?  Isn't that the basis of Stand Your Ground laws?

No. "Stand your Ground" laws, which are not relevant to the current discussion, establish that an individual who has been placed in a reasonable fear -- which is defined as fear that is evident to any reasonable individual -- of imminent death, grievous bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual assault has no duty to retreat before using deadly force against an aggressor who is responsible for the existence of the reasonable fear. Merely "feeling threatened" is not sufficient, as such a broad scope would allow individuals to use deadly force even if their fear was not reasonable.

Know how i know you have no clue wtf you're talking about?

Zimmermans entire defense was based upon Stand your Ground and the use of deadly force.   There was a pre-trial hearing to determine whether SYG was going to be allowed as a defense.


"Stand Your Ground" laws, as they have been declared, eliminated a "duty to retreat". Prior to enactment of such laws, laws defining the justified use of deadly force typically invoked a "duty to retreat", and declared deadly force justified only if retreat was impossible. George Zimmerman claimed to have been pinned on the ground, and thus unable to retreat. If his accounting of the events was accurate, then his use of deadly force would have been legally justified even if the so-called "Stand Your Ground" law had never been enacted in Florida.
 
2013-07-14 01:13:19 AM
Did Angela Corey have anything to say?
 
2013-07-14 01:13:34 AM

shower_in_my_socks: EvilRacistNaziFascist: I'll tell you something, and this goes for 99.9% of the people like me who you probably despise: no matter what your racial background might be, if you are trying to beat us to death we will resist you using any means necessary; and if we are armed and can save our lives by shooting your thug ass dead, we will do it. Consider yourselves forewarned.

And if you stalk me at night and then accost me, I'm going to get punchy.


You mean you're going to commit the crime of assault in retribution for my having committed the non-crime of keeping an eye on you as you walk down the street (which is not what "stalking" means, BTW)? If you do that, you'll have done nothing but prove me right about your criminal character, and endanger your own life besides.

And if you respond by shooting me point-blank in the heart, and then get away with it, my friends and family will hunt you down like a dog. Consider yourself forewarned.

Ha! Ha! Your family will be too busy whoring themselves out for pity on "Nancy Grace" and trying to sue the municipality I live in for a skrillion dolla to do anything of that kind -- and at any rate, as the old saying has it, you might as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb; if I were going to be condemned for shooting some worthless thug who threatened me, I'd be no worse off if I eliminated his vengeful family members as well. Speaking hypothetically, of course.
 
2013-07-14 01:13:39 AM

Third Day Mark: I'm now convinced half the country was watching a different trial than I was.

911 Operator told him "Ok, we don't need you to do that."  And Zimmerman followed the kid anyways.  Zimmerman had a loaded gun on him for neighborhood watch duty, who the f*ck does that.   He saw a black kid running home in the rain with his hood on and assumed he had robbed a nearby 7-11, so he says "They always get away, f*cking punks."

And he's not guilty of premeditated murder?   Lol yeah ok.


Who the fark does that? Lots of people. I've been a member of numerous Neighborhood Watch programs, in a variety of socio-economic settings or "sides of the track" or whatevef. There was always one or more people that had a Conceal Carry permit, Or at least had guns in their home. Not sure why that surprises you.
 
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