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2013-07-14 12:42:57 AM
If Zimmerman is acquitted, I'mm'a WHINE to the Fark mods.

Just TRY to stop me!
 
2013-07-14 12:43:43 AM

ontariolightning: In other news Duchess Kate is gonna have her baby soon. It's gonna be weird to have a Queen/King younger than me (if I live to see it)


Consider that Queen Elizabeth's mother lived until 104.
 
2013-07-14 12:43:45 AM
Just an FYI to the DeathToZimmercan crowd: he may lament the event for the rest of this life, but he's going to be a millionaire in very short order. I think he will be ok.
 
2013-07-14 12:43:56 AM

Oldiron_79: If I was in Zims shoes I'd move to a rural area of an Ultra white state in the opposite corner of the US as FL, so like ID or MT.


Nah.  He looks too Mexican for that to work.

In fact, I bet the first guy shot is a case of mistaken identity.
 
2013-07-14 12:43:58 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I prefer waffles


I would eat a blue waffle if I never have to see another Zimmerman story or hear it on the news
 
2013-07-14 12:44:09 AM

UNC_Samurai: johncb76006: UNC_Samurai: This is about the prosecution being unable to put together a compelling case.

You don't go to jail just for being proven a racist asshole.

I thought that the only people who could be racist was the white folk.
Zimmerman is Hispanic.

I'm sure you're trolling, but you should be aware that there can be significant racial tension between Hispanic and black communities.


He should also be aware that Zimmerman is both Hispanic and white.  But like you said, he's probably just pretending to be an idiot.
 
2013-07-14 12:44:16 AM

biscuitsngravy: Warm syrup, definitely. 25 Secs in the microwave. REAL maple syrup only. Grew up on Aunt Jemima.

/still like fake syrup
//married a Vermonter
///slashie


Maple anything was verboten when I was a kid. My mom was a little kid during WWII and she was given some, in her words, absolutely horrible, fake maple candy, so I never really grew up with it. I don't hate it, I'm just not a fan all that much.
 
2013-07-14 12:44:18 AM

Cataholic: Getting your face bashed in is NOT a reasonably foreseeable consequence of getting out of a car to find out where someone acting suspiciously ran to, any more than getting raped is a reasonably foreseeable consequence to wearing a skimpy skirt to a party.  NOBODY should have to fear someone's criminal act and have it considered criminally negligent in failing to do so.  Someone under the mistaken belief that you are not where you are supposed to be does not pose a reasonable threat to your life and you have no right to bash their head in until they commit some overt act that leads you to believe they are going to harm you.  Even starting a simple scuffle with someone doesn't mean you forfeit your right to defend yourself if the other party wishes to turn it into a life or death struggle.  The fact that many people fail to acknowledge these simple truths leads me to believe they have an ulterior motive and are merely using this case to try and restrict the rights of people to use firearms to lawfully defend themselves.  If you want to be on the side of the poor oppressed criminal who society forces into a life of violence and theft, be my guest.  Just be up front about that in voicing your opinion.


...Or, you know, people being followed by strangers can realistically assume that they're going to be attacked and, under Florida Stand Your Ground law, are not legally obligated to run.

/Protip: It's not about the guns..
 
2013-07-14 12:44:23 AM
NorCalLos

I thought the point of "stand your ground" is that you don't have to go home. Either way, I didn't mean it in the legal sense. I meant it in the sense that he was being followed and either chose or was forced into choosing to confront his pursuer.

Meh. Going home and coming back aren't really being forced into anything.
 
2013-07-14 12:44:28 AM

Warchild: mikaloyd: No black kids were harmed in the making of those pancakes

I'm wondering how much time elapsed between snapping the shot and the dog eating his pancake mask off.


Im amazed he wore it at all.
 
2013-07-14 12:44:31 AM

iq_in_binary: Cataholic: iq_in_binary: Penman: iq_in_binary: Penman: Pincy: Penman: iq_in_binary: Because the asshole who thinks a gun in his pocket makes him a cop that decided you looked suspicious won't go to jail for shooting you after starting a fight with you and losing.

Every Trayvon cheerleader gets this wrong. Trayvon Martin started the fight.

So we have video of how this whole thing went down?

A 911 call and the injuries to Zimmerman.

Yes, a 911 call where Zimmerman admitted to pursuing Martin. Despite being told not to.

Active pursuit is threatening behavior. That's instigating a fight. Like I said, he was losing a fight he started, and like a little biatch pulled the gun because he was a sore loser.

You can turn around and violently attack someone because they're walking down the same street as you? "Yes Officer, I thought he was pursuing me, I just didn't like the way he looked, so I beat the shiat out of him"
In fact it seems like Trayvon might be the racist one, assuming that the Mexican guy is out to get him.

Ok, I'm heavy on the self defense opinion myself, I think we may have started off on the wrong foot.

Let me explain, I have insight into the legal system that you do not have. I was a legal investigator. A good one, I charged $150/hr for static surveillance and $225/hr plus the rates of other investigators helping me for dynamic surveillance. That's right, my job was following people.

Let's get something straight, following people in a menacing manner IS against the law. For us? Unless we we're in confined quarters like a bar or strip club or restaurant, the general rule is stay the fark outside of a 20-30 yard bubble. Why? Because any closer can be considered menacing. Investigators have been charged with intimidation, stalking, disorderly behavior, you name it for trailing people. Because guess what, constantly following people around IS generally considered in the court of law to be threatening behavior.

As a "legal professional" (don't kid yours ...


You could start by reading the Gibbs case which makes it clear that mere words or conduct without actual force are not sufficient to constitute provocation under Florida law.
 
2013-07-14 12:44:41 AM
In other news


(CBS News) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - A Florida woman who fired warning shots against her allegedly abusive husband has been sentenced to 20 years in prison.

Marissa Alexander of Jacksonville had said the state's "Stand Your Ground" law should apply to her because she was defending herself against her allegedly abusive husband when she fired warning shots inside her home in August 2010. She told police it was to escape a brutal beating by her husband, against whom she had already taken out a protective order.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-f or -firing-warning-shots/
 
2013-07-14 12:44:54 AM

eagles95: Oh shait.....Skinny Al Sharpton is in full rant mode on MSNBC right now


I bet he's wishing that a young Zimmerman could have found his way to Freddy's Fashion Mart in New York in the 1990s just in time to be burned alive by one of Sharpton's followers.
 
2013-07-14 12:44:56 AM
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2013-07-14 12:44:57 AM

slayer199: Treygreen13: To be clear, that wasn't me who said that. And Zimmerman is immune to being sued criminally or civilly in this matter in Florida. So it doesn't matter anymore.

Sorry to attribute it to you...however, it looks like he can be sued:

Martin's family can still file a civil suit against Zimmerman under Florida's Wrongful Death Act, which requires proof that Martin's death was caused by the negligence of another person or entity. To prove negligence under the statute, it must be shown that Zimmerman owed Martin a legal duty, that the duty owed was breached, and that an injury was caused to Martin by Zimmerman's breach.


You should send that to every legal expert on MSNBC and CNN since none of them seem to know that.
 
2013-07-14 12:45:13 AM

Somacandra: I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure local legal definitions of assault and or battery might just vary a bit from wherever you're at. You don't have to actually hit someone to assault them in all cases.


Correct
 
2013-07-14 12:45:16 AM

Mentat: Dimensio: "Feeling threatened" is not inherently justification for use of violence.

Why not?  Isn't that the basis of Stand Your Ground laws?


Among other things, you've still got to show that your feelings were reasonable. In some jurisdictions, an unreasonable (but honest) feeling of being threatened can result in what's called "imperfect self defense", which is enough to reduce a murder charge to manslaughter, but no good against a manslaughter charge.

That wasn't an option in this case, because Florida doesn't have a concept of imperfect self defense: either you defended yourself or you didn't. The "manslaughter compromise" could have had a similar effect, but legally it would still have meant rejecting the self-defense claim completely. It sounds like the jury wasn't prepared to do that.
 
2013-07-14 12:45:29 AM

silgryphon: [encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com image 274x184]


Whoa....that was farkin majestic!!!!
Looked like an invading Little Blackish Sambonian armada from the Aunt Jemima Planet!
Oooohhh.....(looks out window).

SKEET!!

///And
//Slashies
/.
 
2013-07-14 12:45:34 AM
Oldiron_79:

Oldiron_79: If I was in Zims shoes I'd move to a rural area of an Ultra white state in the opposite corner of the US as FL, so like ID or MT.

EvilRacistNaziFascist:If he's wise he'll f*ck off back to his mother's homeland of Peru, which as we know is where all evil white racists come from.


So Peru is the homeland of White people? I learn something new every day on fark


The idea that South Americans are necessarily dark-skinned is a common misconception in the United States. There are very wide differences in hair, skin and eyes in S.A. just as there are in N.A. There are plenty of blonde haired, blue-eyed, fair-skinned people who speak Spanish in S.A.
 
2013-07-14 12:45:57 AM

Jabberwookiee: Fark pancakes. I wanna talk about some motherfarking delicious tacos.


Fold the pancake into a U-shape and stick some bacon and syrup inside.  Instant yummy pantacos.
 
2013-07-14 12:46:03 AM

Shryke: Just an FYI to the DeathToZimmercan crowd: he may lament the event for the rest of this life, but he's going to be a millionaire in very short order. I think he will be ok.


How is he going to be a millionaire?  Where is all of this money going to come from?

Keep in mind that he is basically broke and the money from his website is not going to cover his legal bills.
 
2013-07-14 12:46:05 AM
Fellow farkers, this talk of pancakes or waffles tore at my empty belly. So I got up and decided that pancakes would be best and *urp* made them. They are now in my not-so-empty belly and it was gooooooooooooooooood.

Thanks for the idea!

/sheep
 
2013-07-14 12:46:18 AM

Mentat: Dimensio: "Feeling threatened" is not inherently justification for use of violence.

Why not?  Isn't that the basis of Stand Your Ground laws?


No. "Stand your Ground" laws, which are not relevant to the current discussion, establish that an individual who has been placed in a reasonable fear -- which is defined as fear that is evident to any reasonable individual -- of imminent death, grievous bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual assault has no duty to retreat before using deadly force against an aggressor who is responsible for the existence of the reasonable fear. Merely "feeling threatened" is not sufficient, as such a broad scope would allow individuals to use deadly force even if their fear was not reasonable.
 
2013-07-14 12:46:21 AM

johncb76006: I thought that the only people who could be racist was the white folk.
Zimmerman is Hispanic.


In Florida (maybe all USA, only have experience in FL)  the Hispanics hate the blacks more than the whites do.
 
2013-07-14 12:46:28 AM

slayer199: Treygreen13: To be clear, that wasn't me who said that. And Zimmerman is immune to being sued criminally or civilly in this matter in Florida. So it doesn't matter anymore.

Sorry to attribute it to you...however, it looks like he can be sued:

Martin's family can still file a civil suit against Zimmerman under Florida's Wrongful Death Act, which requires proof that Martin's death was caused by the negligence of another person or entity. To prove negligence under the statute, it must be shown that Zimmerman owed Martin a legal duty, that the duty owed was breached, and that an injury was caused to Martin by Zimmerman's breach.


No, no they can not.
 
2013-07-14 12:46:29 AM
ciberido

He should also be aware that Zimmerman is both Hispanic and white.

He's no more white than Obama.
 
2013-07-14 12:46:32 AM

Weaver95: if florida burns to the ground before monday morning...would anyone actually care?


thank you
THIS
and only THIS


/shudder
/we no longer live in a civil society. it is legal to shoot anyone if you feel threatened.
/esp if they are poor, black and young
 
2013-07-14 12:46:32 AM

ontariolightning: In other news (CBS News) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - A Florida woman who fired warning shots against her allegedly abusive husband has been sentenced to 20 years in prison.


Disgraceful.
 
2013-07-14 12:46:38 AM
Hey!  Tim Lincecum has a no-no through seven innings!
 
2013-07-14 12:46:58 AM

gblive: How is he going to be a millionaire? Where is all of this money going to come from?


From his already filed and certain to win lawsuit against NBC for doctoring the audio tapes.
 
2013-07-14 12:47:03 AM

nosferatublue: Kevin72: Can you understand that he was scared crazy by the guy that kept following him? He was just 17.

I cannot understand how you can apparently be certain of something supported only by your conjecture.

The fact that you believe something so strongly without evidence should clue you in that you may be biased.


Evidence: Rachel testifying that he called from the cellphone saying "That crazy-ass cracker is still following me!!!!111!!!!!LOLOLOLOLOLOL!"
 
2013-07-14 12:47:05 AM

ontariolightning: JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - A Florida woman who fired warning shots against her allegedly abusive husband has been sentenced to 20 years in prison.


She should have just shot him...shooting warning shots (which incidentally is counter to every gun safety class I've encountered) is a danger to others as stray bullets can and do kill innocent people.
 
2013-07-14 12:47:45 AM

wedun: steamingpile: RockSteadyUSMC: The judicial system worked exactly how it's supposed to. There was enough reasonable doubt to acquit, and that was how it should be. The judicial system convicts based on facts and should prove beyond a reasonable doubt, not convict based on public opinion.

/USMC MP
//Yes I have a clue

Then you are obviously a racist sir!

eh he had a "grill" and THC in his system at the time he was killed

Also he had a "criminal history"

sounds like enough reasonable doubt for me.


Makes me worry about my roommate, who uses pot medicinally for severe migraines but sometimes for recreation too.  And has used other drugs as well, and has even helped procure pot for friends (ooh low level dealer, working to establish a customer base).  And she has a "criminal history" (protest arrest, and iirc an MIP), until recently lived in Detroit, and is a young adult (22).  And has some a few dumbass regrettable pictures on Facebook.  Good to know all of that is justification to assume the worst about her, eh?  I mean, she is a woman (well duh), and not black, and accomplished, but ignoring all that - about the same eh?

Again: reasonable doubt, the jury was correct.  But no, making out Trayvon to be a punk thug kid does NOT have bearing NOR should it justify ANYTHING.
 
2013-07-14 12:48:34 AM
Hay guyz, did I miss ne big newz?
 
2013-07-14 12:48:53 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: ontariolightning: In other news (CBS News) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - A Florida woman who fired warning shots against her allegedly abusive husband has been sentenced to 20 years in prison.

Disgraceful.


IN WHAT universe was she not acquitted using the stand your ground statute?
how was she even CHARGED in the first place?

I cant wait until a politician, judge or a cop is killed and the killer gets off  because he was standing his ground and felt his life was in jeopardy.
 
2013-07-14 12:49:07 AM

Shadowtag: How long before Gay Panic makes a big comeback in Florida?


:)  I read that as "Gay Pancake."
 
2013-07-14 12:49:32 AM

Twitch Boy: Hey!  Tim Lincecum has a no-no through seven innings!


Make that eight innings.
 
2013-07-14 12:49:59 AM
If she were white she wouldn't have even been arrested.
 
2013-07-14 12:50:00 AM

Mighty Taternuts: He chased a kid that did nothing wrong after the 911 operator told him not to, how is that not ill-will?


Because you listened to the media looking for ratings and not to the actual trial or people who actually watched the trial and were honest about what happened. That's why.
 
2013-07-14 12:50:02 AM

Somacandra: There are plenty of blonde haired, blue-eyed, fair-skinned people who speak Spanish in S.A.


Well, sure, if you count Nazi war criminals.
 
2013-07-14 12:50:24 AM

Johnny Bananapeel: [i.imgur.com image 369x640]


To the credit of the Zombie Targets folks, it doesn't look like they have any zombies in hoodies. I mention this because they have a Zombie Osama (though they started printing it years before his death). I'd have thought they had poor enough taste to try and cash in on this media blitz.
 
2013-07-14 12:50:30 AM

Dimensio: Mentat: Dimensio: "Feeling threatened" is not inherently justification for use of violence.

Why not?  Isn't that the basis of Stand Your Ground laws?

No. "Stand your Ground" laws, which are not relevant to the current discussion, establish that an individual who has been placed in a reasonable fear -- which is defined as fear that is evident to any reasonable individual -- of imminent death, grievous bodily injury, kidnapping or sexual assault has no duty to retreat before using deadly force against an aggressor who is responsible for the existence of the reasonable fear. Merely "feeling threatened" is not sufficient, as such a broad scope would allow individuals to use deadly force even if their fear was not reasonable.


Know how i know you have no clue wtf you're talking about?

Zimmermans entire defense was based upon Stand your Ground and the use of deadly force.   There was a pre-trial hearing to determine whether SYG was going to be allowed as a defense.
 
2013-07-14 12:50:32 AM

daRog: mikaloyd: NSFW

It is?


That pancake....well rog that pancake it didnt make it. That is an ex pancake.
 
2013-07-14 12:50:51 AM

NorCalLos: skullkrusher:

well, that's not rational then. Sure, he may be morally guilty of something but I don't think he is morally guilty of intentional murder. I have no ...

I don't know how old you are, but when 4 LAPD officers were acquitted of beating the crap out of Rodney King and people rioted, the 4 officers were charged again in federal court. IIRC, two of them were found guilty. It would not have happened if not for riots. Even if it doesn't do any good, the possibility that it might do some good--a feeling of empowerment at the very least--is more than they're likely to get through traditional channels. African-Americans are what? 15% of the population? They have very little political (economic) power and it's decreasing every day.


old enough to remember the Rodney King riots. It was rational to beat a white truck driver almost to death? This is nothing even close to the Rodney King situation. Those cops beat him savagely, on tape, and were acquitted. If our justice system is bullied into action by the violence of some members of the populace, that is not a good thing. We should not be trying people for crimes because some people are gonna become violent if we don't. We should be trying people for crimes because they should be tried for crimes.

If you want to say the Rodney King riots were understandable, that's one thing. To call them rational is in itself irrational
 
2013-07-14 12:51:04 AM
In other news, a Florida mom just got 20 years in prison for shooting WARNING SHOTS at her husband who had a history of domestic violence.

Hmm. Let's see what race she is...

imageshack.com

Sorry, African Americans. Stand Your Ground laws just don't apply to you in Florida.
 
2013-07-14 12:51:15 AM
You know what I hate about people trying to figure out whether someone is innocent or guilty? It's the fact that people would actually use emotions to bring an innocent person down just to win a case. Isn't justice supposed to be based on FACTS and EVIDENCE, and not emotions?

If emotions can be legally used to put people in prison despite being innocent, then it's possible to say that a senior citizen woman who lost all of her limbs and also happens to be bedridden, still managed to rape a 500 pound 7 foot middle aged man and then beat him up and then murder him. Yup, that's possible as long as you pull at the heartstrings of the jury despite the lack of evidence.
 
2013-07-14 12:51:22 AM
You poor fools that still mess with pancakes and waffles really need to be introduced to a proper breakfast burrito with some Hatch green chile.

www.frontierrestaurant.com
 
2013-07-14 12:51:27 AM
Watching MSNBC right now. It's like they're covering the worst tragedy they've had to report on in history. It's really pathetic.
 
2013-07-14 12:51:33 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: But no, making out Trayvon to be a punk thug kid does NOT have bearing NOR should it justify ANYTHING.


Another thing that has baffled me through this whole thing is the people trying to act like this kid was the first adolescent male to post cocky stupid shiat on Facebook or smoke some weed. And obviously those unforgivable trespasses mean he needed shooting.
 
2013-07-14 12:51:33 AM

ontariolightning: In other news


(CBS News) JACKSONVILLE, Fla. - A Florida woman who fired warning shots against her allegedly abusive husband has been sentenced to 20 years in prison.

Marissa Alexander of Jacksonville had said the state's "Stand Your Ground" law should apply to her because she was defending herself against her allegedly abusive husband when she fired warning shots inside her home in August 2010. She told police it was to escape a brutal beating by her husband, against whom she had already taken out a protective order.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-f or -firing-warning-shots/


Let me guess... she wasn't white.

/ducks
 
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