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2013-07-14 12:24:42 AM

ventrman: The system worked just like it should have.


No, it didn't.  This should have never been allowed court time.  You should actually have potentially useful prosecuting evidence before tax payer money is wasted.
 
2013-07-14 12:24:44 AM

Mentat: But you know what?  Zimmerman is a grown ass man.  He should have known better than to put himself in that situation.  The law is the law but common sense will save your ass far more often than the law will.


Kevin72: Can you understand that he was scared crazy by the guy that kept following him? He was just 17. A teenager. Because he was black people thing of him as a big adult, not the way people think of white minors. A teenager's brain is still growing. While scared by the guy that kept chasing him, any brain goes into fight or flight, and he TRIED FLIGHT. But the teen brain will take more crazy risks because it is not fully developed.


These seem to be the toughest things to get through to people. Too much bloodlust and misguided schadenfreude.
 
2013-07-14 12:24:47 AM

lantawa: cretinbob: [i.qkme.me image 400x301]

His life is still farked.

F that....he'll be just fine.


He'll be dead before he's 50.


t.qkme.me
 
2013-07-14 12:24:50 AM

Aigoo: PsiChick:

You want to know the difference between Zimmerman and a rape victim?


Statements like the above is why you show up in bright red on my screen. I realize you were responding to someone else's skirt statement, but good Lord. Were you even watching the same trial the rest of us were?

Should note, though, the statement about not deliberately provoking any type of physical altercation while carrying a firearm is basic firearm safety and a good point in general.


So what part of this are you taking offense to? The rape comparison? That ain't my comparison, sparky...
 
2013-07-14 12:24:58 AM

cretinbob: ChaosStar: cretinbob: ChaosStar: Sbdolan: So what is up with people saying they cannot file for civil in florida? any one have a link?

Justified self defense means he is immune to civil action stemming from the event.
It's in the 776 chapter of Florida law

Only if he had a SYG hearing, which he waived.
He is not immune from civil penalties.
 O'Mara made sure that he can ride this cash cow as long as possible.

[t.qkme.me image 310x198]

You of all people want to challenge me on this?
WRONG
776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.-
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force

See that word "or"?
That means if they used any of those three statutes, and won, they are immune.
Period.

Yeah, that's why O'Mara is saying he's going to be Zimmerman's lawyer in any civil action.
SYG was never invoked. If it had, then you'd be correct. Zimmerman would have had to testify if SYG was invoked and he would have hung himself.

Go beat off somewhere else.


That's because they can still file a civil suit.
I can file a civil suit against you for being a moron, you can file against anyone.
O'Mara will go to the judge and say "my client is immune under 776.032, we'd like our money now" and the Martins will be paying for GZ's Nutrisystem.

Had you paid attention in the other half dozen threads I explained this, we wouldn't be having this conversation and you wouldn't be looking a-fool.
 
2013-07-14 12:25:22 AM

Matthew Keene: San Francisco live feed of march from KPIX

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/cbs-news-live-feed/


OMG they're walking down a street!
 
2013-07-14 12:25:28 AM

Kevin72: Can you understand that he was scared crazy by the guy that kept following him? He was just 17.


"scared" to me means 'im going to try to get my ass out of here' and not 'im gonna hide in a bush and see if i can take care of this guy myself'
 
2013-07-14 12:25:39 AM

skullkrusher: that has nothing to do with what you said. He was found not guilty of murder - that does not mean he cannot be sued for wrongful death


In Florida it does, an affirmative self defense acquittal shields  the defendant from civil procedeings.
 
2013-07-14 12:25:45 AM

Millennium: rhiannon: ontariolightning: @911BUFF: NBC REPORTS ANTI WAR AND ANTI RACISM ACTIVIST GROUPS CALLS FOR EMERGENCY RALLY IN SAN FRANCISCO TONIGHT TO PROTEST GEORGE ZIMMERMAN VERDICT

Not sleeping well I see. Ask your mom to heat up some milk, and give you a cookie.

Hold on a sec here. I get the anti-racism groups doing this: a likely racist did not go to jail, and they're upset about that. Makes perfect sense, even if I disagree.

But anti-war groups? Why are they holding a rally connected to this?


Anti-war are usually also anti-gun. And that's probably the other half of why Trayvon got so big...it was right at the start of the big gun debate blowup.
 
2013-07-14 12:25:47 AM

Aigoo: Could have sworn I saw in one of these threads that someone quoted a FL statute that if he was found not guilty, then he could not be subject to a civil suit, due to the self-defense thing? Or did the jury actually have to state in the verdict it was self-defense? Or does that only apply if it had been ruled justified under SYG? It's a bit confusing how each state is different in that regard--any actual lawyers here to answer conclusively on that?


I just read the law and it specifies immunity from both criminal and civil proceedings in the case of self-defense. That there was a criminal proceeding indicates that the state did not view his action as self-defense. As for how it goes from here on out, didn't see anything in the law that offers any guidance for this particular set of circumstances.
 
2013-07-14 12:25:47 AM

Somacandra: Did you ever actually look into the reasons expressed by the rioters for the L.A. riots after the R. King verdict? Because you sound pretty far removed from being able to comprehend how and why all that went down. Maybe you should think about why people in a depressed and distressed neighborhood would act out in such a way


Because they want to score some free TVs and running shoes? Oh, of course they will say they're agitating for justice while they're robbing their local storekeepers blind, but are we actually supposed to believe them?

when confronted on a macro scale with a symbol of the cultural oppression they feel (rightly or wrongly) exist on a microscale in their own places of living and existing.

There is far more in heaven and earth than is dreamed of in your adolescent, ethno-masochistic, and sub-Marxist philosophy.
 
2013-07-14 12:26:22 AM
If I was in Zims shoes I'd move to a rural area of an Ultra white state in the opposite corner of the US as FL, so like ID or MT.
 
2013-07-14 12:27:19 AM

great_tigers: great_tigers: TsuZi: great_tigers: Lost in all of this I think we see a devastated Zimmerman, people reacting to a judgement of violence with more violence and the fact that we still have a young man who lost his life too early.

Favorited, and amen.

A favorited? By a former yooper? Well I am homered eh.

Homered/honored, pancake/waffle/French toast.


Yoopers of the world unite!
 
2013-07-14 12:27:35 AM

Somacandra: skullkrusher: NorCalLos: I don't mean to incite a riot here, but if I think rioting right now is a pretty rational thing to do.

destroying property in your neighborhood because a latino dude was acquitted of murdering a black kid? That doesn't sound really rational

Did you ever actually look into the reasons expressed by the rioters for the L.A. riots after the R. King verdict? Because you sound pretty far removed from being able to comprehend how and why all that went down. Maybe you should think about why people in a depressed and distressed neighborhood would act out in such a way when confronted on a macro scale with a symbol of the cultural oppression they feel (rightly or wrongly) exist on a microscale in their own places of living and existing.


PROTIP  if you are in a depressed and distressed neighborhood rioting and destroying things will make it more depressed and distressed.
 
2013-07-14 12:27:41 AM

cretinbob: lantawa: cretinbob: [i.qkme.me image 400x301]

His life is still farked.

F that....he'll be just fine.

He'll be dead before he's 50.


Eh, maybe Edward Snowden may need a roommate.
 
2013-07-14 12:28:09 AM

skullkrusher: NorCalLos: skullkrusher: NorCalLos: I don't mean to incite a riot here, but if I think rioting right now is a pretty rational thing to do.

destroying property in your neighborhood because a latino dude was acquitted of murdering a black kid? That doesn't sound really rational

From another perspective:

Having it declared justice to follow around a young man who has done nothing wrong with a gun until he "stands his ground," then shooting him because he's winning the fight you baited him into basically means you and your offspring do not legally have the right to exist in public.

actually, that was never "declared justice". Nothing says that Zimmerman was right in his actions. All that has been said is that he is not guilty of murder. There is no justification for destroying people's property because you don't like an outcome of a court case. It is not rational. It is not even reasonable. It's farking stupid.


To me, the final legal outcome of a case that has gone through criminal justice system is what that system has declared justice. You can argue semantics if you like, but the fact of the matter is that Trayvon and his family have exercised every right they have to justice through the legal system. Their son is dead because he was walking down the street and stood up for himself, because another man who appointed himself neighborhood tattletale decided he looked suspicious, provoked a confrontation, may have been losing that confrontation, and decided lethal force was his only way out. To me, he is morally guilty. A criminal justice system that does to find him guilty of anything is broken. While breaking shiat in your own neighborhood is not rational in and of itself, it's a small price to pay if it furthers the cause of an entire people getting due respect from their own justice system.
 
2013-07-14 12:28:13 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Somacandra: Did you ever actually look into the reasons expressed by the rioters for the L.A. riots after the R. King verdict? Because you sound pretty far removed from being able to comprehend how and why all that went down. Maybe you should think about why people in a depressed and distressed neighborhood would act out in such a way

Because they want to score some free TVs and running shoes? Oh, of course they will say they're agitating for justice while they're robbing their local storekeepers blind, but are we actually supposed to believe them?


Well that and the tension between the LAPD and the African-American community reached its boiling point with the R. King verdict after decades of tension between the two.

I mean there is a backstory to this. I'm not saying it's right, but it wasn't just a bunch of people who decided to riot for riotings sake.
 
2013-07-14 12:28:16 AM

Kevin72: Did you mean Dealy Plaza and shouldn't that be in Dallas near the grassy knoll?


No, It's Daley Plaza and it's in Chicago

Here are police and national guard arriving at the scene

bb.wynnear.com
 
2013-07-14 12:28:23 AM

daRog: doyner: but he DI initiate the confrontation

Go home autocorrect. You're drunk.


Aren't we all?
 
2013-07-14 12:28:31 AM

Mentalpatient87: Mentat: But you know what?  Zimmerman is a grown ass man.  He should have known better than to put himself in that situation.  The law is the law but common sense will save your ass far more often than the law will.

Kevin72: Can you understand that he was scared crazy by the guy that kept following him? He was just 17. A teenager. Because he was black people thing of him as a big adult, not the way people think of white minors. A teenager's brain is still growing. While scared by the guy that kept chasing him, any brain goes into fight or flight, and he TRIED FLIGHT. But the teen brain will take more crazy risks because it is not fully developed.

These seem to be the toughest things to get through to people. Too much bloodlust and misguided schadenfreude.


Or simply understanding that he was of an age where he should have known better. The facts you state are all true, they just don't change things.
 
2013-07-14 12:28:38 AM

Tom_Slick: skullkrusher: that has nothing to do with what you said. He was found not guilty of murder - that does not mean he cannot be sued for wrongful death

In Florida it does, an affirmative self defense acquittal shields  the defendant from civil procedeings.


where there you have it. I take it back, OL.
 
2013-07-14 12:28:40 AM
Pancakes are boring. Waffles rule.
 
2013-07-14 12:28:55 AM

Oldiron_79: If I was in Zims shoes I'd move to a rural area of an Ultra white state in the opposite corner of the US as FL, so like ID or MT.


If he's wise he'll f*ck off back to his mother's homeland of Peru, which as we know is where all evil white racists come from.
 
2013-07-14 12:29:00 AM
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2013-07-14 12:29:01 AM
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2013-07-14 12:29:25 AM

cretinbob: Kevin72: Did you mean Dealy Plaza and shouldn't that be in Dallas near the grassy knoll?

No, It's Daley Plaza and it's in Chicago

Here are police and national guard arriving at the scene

[bb.wynnear.com image 473x336]


Hut Hut Hut Hut Hut
 
2013-07-14 12:29:59 AM

Walker: Pancakes are boring. Waffles rule.


This. Those extra little boxes to hold syrup are awesome.
 
2013-07-14 12:30:04 AM

sjcousins: lantawa: sjc
I see.
I'm the guy who says there's no evidence that proves either Zimmerman or Trayvon started the fight and anyone who claims either of the options as fact and not their own interpretation of the limited evidence is an idiot, as is anyone who blames the 'race industry'.


Whosoever such as the whole thing is therefore maps and such as!
 
2013-07-14 12:30:11 AM

WhyteRaven74: Amos Quito: What "no reason at all' might look like.

He could've used his hands instead of a gun.


You are correct. Citizens are obligated to use only their hands when defending themselves from a violent attack.


Also if Martin felt threatened, then he was just standing his ground with what he had available to him.

"Feeling threatened" is not inherently justification for use of violence.
 
2013-07-14 12:30:21 AM

Cataholic: PsiChick: Cataholic: PsiChick: Pichu0102: Anyone who celebrates this should be shunned.
Anyone who threatens him should be prosecuted.
Anyone who thinks this means "open season on whatever minority I don't like" should be prosecuted.
Violent rioters should be prosecuted.


Furthermore, everyone should be depressed. A kid is dead, his family is scarred, and a man's life was thrown into chaos and will likely be haunted by this for the rest of his life.

No one wins no matter what happens. My main concern was that people would celebrate this trial's conclusion, despite what a horrible thing that is to celebrate, and I was proven right.

Uh...he brought that one on himself...

/If you're Random Dumbfark, sure, you might not know that following a teen boy in the middle of the night is a stupid idea. If you're 'Captain of the Neighborhood Watch' with a 911 dispatcher telling you to stay the fark put...you have no goddamn excuse for the consequences, especially since  you are the adult in the situation.

I know.  He should have just laid back and taken the beating he deserved.  What did he think was gonna happen wearin that skirt?

You want to know the difference between Zimmerman and a rape victim? Zimmerman  chose to get out of his car and actively pursue Trayvon while armed*. Rape victims don't usually chase rapists around with guns.

/*And, as you would know if you knew the first damn thing about gun safety, while you are carrying a loaded weapon you DO NOT TAKE ACTION THAT MIGHT PROVOKE A FIGHT.
//Godfarkingdamn, how do people miss the most basic gun-safety rules?

Getting your face bashed in is NOT a reasonably foreseeable consequence of getting out of a car to find out where someone acting suspiciously ran to, any more than getting raped is a reasonably foreseeable consequence to wearing a skimpy skirt to a party.  NOBODY should have to fear someone's criminal act and have it considered criminally negligent in failing to do so.  Someone under the mistaken belief tha ...


You see, that's the crux of the problem here.

I am probably far more vested and affected by cases like this than anybody else in the discussion. Well, was. But the basic argument basically boils down to two schools of thought. Fight Vs Flight. The majority of society is perfectly find with Fight, so long as Flight was the FIRST option. That's my method of operation, if I think there's even a chance of a fight, I get the everliving fark away from it. The best victories are the battles that never have to be fought in the first place. Then again, I'm a nerd who got bullied a lot and learned survival of the fittest in a rather twisted way, but I still hold even with all the pain I'd love to inflict upon the bigger folks that remind me of the bullies from my youth that FLIGHT is the best first choice, despite the fact that the tables are kind of turned now and I do in some way still have an axe to grind. I'd rather avoid the fight.

Zimmerman pursued. That means he was looking for a fight. There is absolutely no way to get around that. He went looking for trouble, period. His aspirations as a wannabe cop and general do-gooder not withstanding, he went looking for trouble. Big no no. If it was his job then sure I'd give him a pass. But Neighborhood Watch is about observation, not active pursuit. He puffed his chest, he acted like a bully. That to me is absolutely the behavior of someone looking to go out and hurt someone.

That's where I'm coming from, I've been the poor little bastard that everybody picked on until I got devious and started giving people incentives to leave me the fark alone if they had no intention of being friendly. On top of the other rather unforgiveable shiat I did for lawyers. I'm THAT guy that has to be concerned about shiat like this, and quite frankly, this is a very scary precedent to set. I'm gun rights to the bone, self defense to the bone, whole nine yards, it took endorsing Romney to get me to tear up my NRA card. Even I am concerned about this, and scared about the precedent. That you don't recognize that is troubling.
 
2013-07-14 12:30:30 AM

Kevin72: ontariolightning: @911BUFF: DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT CONFIRMS THEY HAVE RIOT POLICE ON ALERT AFTER GEORGE ZIMMERMAN'S VERDICT. #911BUFF
@911BUFF: MULTIPLE REPORTS OF LARGE CROWDS AND LARGE POLICE PRESENCE IN BROOKLYN FOLLOWING GEORGE ZIMMERMAN VERDICT. #911BUFF @911BUFF: CHICAGO POLICE RESPONDING TO DALEY PIZZA FOR A LARGE SAUSAGE AND MUSHROOM CROWD GATHERING AFTER GEORGE ZIMMERMAN VERDICT. #911BUF@911BUFF: MULTIPLE REPORTS OF COPS STORMING THE STREETS IN MIAMI RIGHT NOW AFTER GEORGE ZIMMERMAN VERDICT. #911BUFF

Did you mean Dealy Plaza and shouldn't that be in Dallas near the grassy knoll?

 
2013-07-14 12:31:03 AM
www.webinapage.com
 
2013-07-14 12:31:06 AM

NorCalLos: skullkrusher: NorCalLos: skullkrusher: NorCalLos: I don't mean to incite a riot here, but if I think rioting right now is a pretty rational thing to do.

destroying property in your neighborhood because a latino dude was acquitted of murdering a black kid? That doesn't sound really rational

From another perspective:

Having it declared justice to follow around a young man who has done nothing wrong with a gun until he "stands his ground," then shooting him because he's winning the fight you baited him into basically means you and your offspring do not legally have the right to exist in public.

actually, that was never "declared justice". Nothing says that Zimmerman was right in his actions. All that has been said is that he is not guilty of murder. There is no justification for destroying people's property because you don't like an outcome of a court case. It is not rational. It is not even reasonable. It's farking stupid.

To me, the final legal outcome of a case that has gone through criminal justice system is what that system has declared justice. You can argue semantics if you like, but the fact of the matter is that Trayvon and his family have exercised every right they have to justice through the legal system. Their son is dead because he was walking down the street and stood up for himself, because another man who appointed himself neighborhood tattletale decided he looked suspicious, provoked a confrontation, may have been losing that confrontation, and decided lethal force was his only way out. To me, he is morally guilty. A criminal justice system that does to find him guilty of anything is broken. While breaking shiat in your own neighborhood is not rational in and of itself, it's a small price to pay if it furthers the cause of an entire people getting due respect from their own justice system.


well, that's not rational then. Sure, he may be morally guilty of something but I don't think he is morally guilty of intentional murder. I have no reason to believe that he just wanted to kill a black person that night. That said, riots don't further any causes. We're not going to change our judicial system because some people burn down a bodega. That's asinine.
 
2013-07-14 12:31:08 AM

DoctorCal: Do you remember the sitcom you recommended to me?


New Girl, right?


Related to tfa: Pancakes.
 
2013-07-14 12:31:13 AM

NorCalLos: skullkrusher: NorCalLos: I don't mean to incite a riot here, but if I think rioting right now is a pretty rational thing to do.

destroying property in your neighborhood because a latino dude was acquitted of murdering a black kid? That doesn't sound really rational

From another perspective:

Having it declared justice to follow around a young man who has done nothing wrong with a gun until he "stands his ground," then shooting him because he's winning the fight you baited him into basically means you and your offspring do not legally have the right to exist in public.


Legitimate question here.  Was there a point when Zimmerman actually prevented Martin from getting home?  Because last time I heard information on the case, Martin turned and approached Zimmerman.  That's not standing your ground... Martin could've gone all the way home and never stopped, and nothing would've happened.

Clearly they both did stupid things in the altercation, but your 'stand his ground' comment is bullshiat.  Just sayin.
 
2013-07-14 12:31:21 AM
@NewsBreaker: BREAKING. NAACP head confirms to @CBSNews he's been in touch w/ AG Holder about federal criminal charges in Zimmerman case - @CharlieKayeCBS
 
2013-07-14 12:31:47 AM

Somacandra: NorCalLos:

skullkrusher: destroying property in your neighborhood because a latino dude was acquitted of murdering a black kid? That doesn't sound really rational

From another perspective:Having it declared justice to follow around a young man who has done nothing wrong with a gun until he "stands his ground," then shooting him because he's winning the fight you baited him into basically means you and your offspring do not legally have the right to exist in public.

==

Well-spoken. More clear and succinct than my own response.


Except annoying someone or creeping them out by following them around does not make it legally okay to beat them up or even throw a single first punch. You could try calling the police, but even if it's your ex cussing you out on the street, following you 24/7 and screaming at you and making general threats, good farking luck getting anything done about that. At least in my state, they have to be making specific and credible threats before you can even think about the police doing anything except brushing you off. Being followed is not something that legally justifies a follow up 'self-defense' beating in any state I know of.
 
2013-07-14 12:31:49 AM

Millennium: Or simply understanding that he was of an age where he should have known better


Right? Guy was like, 30-ish wasn't he?

Oh, you mean the 17 year old? Have you met many of those?
 
2013-07-14 12:32:02 AM

lantawa: sjcousins: lantawa: sjc
I see.
I'm the guy who says there's no evidence that proves either Zimmerman or Trayvon started the fight and anyone who claims either of the options as fact and not their own interpretation of the limited evidence is an idiot, as is anyone who blames the 'race industry'.

Whosoever such as the whole thing is therefore maps and such as!


Now you're on the trolley
 
2013-07-14 12:32:09 AM

Ima10urin8: Somewhere, Johnny Cochran is looking down with a smug smile and nodding...


Down?
 
2013-07-14 12:32:11 AM
All the black people think the Suspect was guilty.  Most of the white people know he was guilty of something, but they're glad he was acquitted based on the evidence presented to the jury.

It's the exact opposite of the O.J. Trial.
 
2013-07-14 12:32:20 AM

Dimensio: "Feeling threatened" is not inherently justification for use of violence.


Why not?  Isn't that the basis of Stand Your Ground laws?
 
2013-07-14 12:32:41 AM

mikaloyd: [www.webinapage.com image 500x345]


nice
 
2013-07-14 12:32:47 AM
I betcha there are a lot of TM supporters who wish these two were really around:

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-14 12:32:50 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com

This stuff is the shiat for pancakes and waffles.
 
2013-07-14 12:33:17 AM

mikaloyd: [www.webinapage.com image 500x345]


Now that's just f*cking creepy, man.
 
2013-07-14 12:33:22 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-14 12:33:28 AM
I don't know why exactly, but I am so happy that this thread is still largely about pancakes.

/my faith in Fark is restored.
 
2013-07-14 12:33:38 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Ima10urin8: Somewhere, Johnny Cochran is looking down with a smug smile and nodding...

Down?


heehee
 
2013-07-14 12:33:41 AM

Millennium: Hold on a sec here. I get the anti-racism groups doing this: a likely racist did not go to jail, and they're upset about that. Makes perfect sense, even if I disagree.


Yeah, those racists always doing racist things. Like taking black girls to the prom and acting as a mentor to black youth. damn them!
 
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