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2013-07-14 12:12:00 AM
StreetlightInTheGhetto

Do you precook them and hit them with cold water before incorporating them in?

Yes and no (precook, no cold water). I like rice, too, but the noodles are quicker and seem to soak up more soy.
 
2013-07-14 12:12:26 AM
I hate love to say I told you so.
 
2013-07-14 12:12:33 AM
www.theboxset.com
I want pancakes you know
 
2013-07-14 12:12:39 AM
And yet he'll be found guilty in a civil case for causing Martin's death. Funny how that works.
 
2013-07-14 12:12:44 AM

WhyteRaven74: LemSkroob: "here comes the civil suit"

uh why wouldn't there be a civil suit?

YouPeopleAreCrazy: And you know this how?

It can also be irrelevant, if Martin felt threatened, then he was well within his rights to as the law puts it stand his ground. Of course since he's dead, we can't find out if he did indeed felt threatened.


In FL there's a self defense immunity.

Martin's family can't even file.
 
2013-07-14 12:13:00 AM
In other news Duchess Kate is gonna have her baby soon. It's gonna be weird to have a Queen/King younger than me (if I live to see it)
 
2013-07-14 12:13:07 AM

Gyrfalcon: That Zimmerman could have avoided the fight by staying back (or better still, staying in his car) does not matter to a verdict of self-defense; what matter is, at the moment of decision, did he reasonably believe his life was in danger? And clearly, the jury agreed that he did.


The problem is, that it totally dismisses whether or not Martin felt he was in danger to start with.
 
2013-07-14 12:13:25 AM
I really didn't pay attention to this case at the beginning until Al Sharpton and President Obama weighed in.
Then I got real interested when they had a million hoodie march. Because it shouldn't be a crime to be black and wear a hoodie.
So I wanted justice for Trayvon.

Then the trial started. I didn't pay attention, but I saw the closing statements from John Guy, and I knew that that guy was ok. He wanted people to follow their hearts and reach a conclusion that Zimmerman was guilty just like the media said. So obviously the jury got it wrong.

I heard that some people mock other people that let the "news" influence them. I even heard about some website that mocks such situations, but I can't remember the name.
 
2013-07-14 12:13:33 AM

LordJiro: Incidentally, no matter your feelings on Zimmerman, you should at least be somewhat happy about the outcome of the trial. Because it *SHOULD* be hard as fark to convict someone for something like murder; if there's enough reasonable doubt (whether it's due to the defendant actually being innocent, a lack of evidence or just a shiatty prosecutor), an acquittal means the system works.


This. It is Better that one hundred guilty men go free than one innocent man be convicted.
 
2013-07-14 12:13:34 AM
Just had two delicious PBnJs, celebration sammiches!
 
2013-07-14 12:13:37 AM
steamingpile: Duh, now where are all the fark lawyers who said he was going to jail when this first happened.


What else did you expect them to say? They couldn't tell the truth.
 
2013-07-14 12:13:38 AM

cretinbob: ChaosStar: Sbdolan: So what is up with people saying they cannot file for civil in florida? any one have a link?

Justified self defense means he is immune to civil action stemming from the event.
It's in the 776 chapter of Florida law

Only if he had a SYG hearing, which he waived.
He is not immune from civil penalties.
 O'Mara made sure that he can ride this cash cow as long as possible.

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You of all people want to challenge me on this?
WRONG
776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.-
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force

See that word "or"?
That means if they used any of those three statutes, and won, they are immune.
Period.
 
2013-07-14 12:13:45 AM

Shadow Blasko: TsukasaK: Shadow Blasko: Whatever you wheat lovers...

I'm gonna vote for Steak and Eggs, T-bone-Medium, Scrambled with cheese, scattered, covered, and chunked. With a Vanilla Coke

I lack the steak and cheese.. I think I may just go out tomorrow morning to the diner, that sounds godly right now.

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I got yer breakfast... Right here


DAMN! I forgot how good Waffle House is. Ain't had it in ages.
 
2013-07-14 12:13:51 AM

skullkrusher: NorCalLos: I don't mean to incite a riot here, but if I think rioting right now is a pretty rational thing to do.

destroying property in your neighborhood because a latino dude was acquitted of murdering a black kid? That doesn't sound really rational


From another perspective:

Having it declared justice to follow around a young man who has done nothing wrong with a gun until he "stands his ground," then shooting him because he's winning the fight you baited him into basically means you and your offspring do not legally have the right to exist in public.
 
2013-07-14 12:13:54 AM

MelGoesOnTour: Mentat: MelGoesOnTour: For what it's worth, if Martin was such an innocent angel you'd think he'd have said to Zimmerman something along the lines of "Hey, bro', it's all good and I'm just walking home so be cool" rather than decide to attack him outright. Zimmerman may have been guilty of being too suspicious but Martin pulled the first punch.

He didn't attack him outright.  He confronted Zimmerman in his car and Zimmerman wouldn't identify himself.  Trayvon then ran away and waited for Zimmerman to follow him, which he did.

So Zimmerman was essentially ambushed?!


Yes, he was, and that was never in dispute.  Trayvon ran away and then waited to see if Zimmerman followed, which he did.  Trayvon confronted him again and at some point started throwing punches.  We don't know if Zimmerman said something to provoke him or if Trayvon saw the gun or if Trayvon simply decided to start throwing punches.  But you know what?  Zimmerman is a grown ass man.  He should have known better than to put himself in that situation.  The law is the law but common sense will save your ass far more often than the law will.
 
2013-07-14 12:13:59 AM

MelGoesOnTour: For what it's worth, if Martin was such an innocent angel you'd think he'd have said to Zimmerman something along the lines of "Hey, bro', it's all good and I'm just walking home so be cool" rather than decide to attack him outright. Zimmerman may have been guilty of being too suspicious but Martin pulled the first punch.


Can you understand that he was scared crazy by the guy that kept following him? He was just 17. A teenager. Because he was black people thing of him as a big adult, not the way people think of white minors. A teenager's brain is still growing. While scared by the guy that kept chasing him, any brain goes into fight or flight, and he TRIED FLIGHT. But the teen brain will take more crazy risks because it is not fully developed.
 
2013-07-14 12:14:07 AM
Trayvon Martin was responsible for the death of Trayvon Martin - fact (as rendered by a jury in a court of law).

/blueberry
 
2013-07-14 12:14:14 AM
 
2013-07-14 12:14:21 AM

AgentPothead: And yet he'll be found guilty in a civil case for causing Martin's death. Funny how that works.


Pretty sure they can't take that course of action. Not Guilty.
 
2013-07-14 12:14:30 AM

WhyteRaven74: The problem is, that it totally dismisses whether or not Martin felt he was in danger to start with.


Because he wasn't the one on trial

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2013-07-14 12:14:30 AM

great_tigers: And Nancy Grace just got hemorrhoids.


Good!
 
2013-07-14 12:14:31 AM

IlGreven: ...and now that Wheaton is espousing an opinion a few of his fans don't like, he's now back to being Wesley Crusher, Washed-Up Child Star!...Please, go celebrate or mourn in private. This is getting sad.


I found the screencap of Drew's feed posted earlier quite interesting----suggesting the jury had clearly been drinking while in deliberations. I don't think that was intended as an endorsement of the verdict.
 
2013-07-14 12:14:31 AM
I really, really hope everyone stays calm and peaceful. Let all of the idiots on Fark and in the media breathlessly chanting "riot" go to bed with blueballs.
 
2013-07-14 12:14:38 AM

Bravo Two: Dammit, now I want pancakes.


I thought you were leaving.
 
2013-07-14 12:14:47 AM

WhyteRaven74: LemSkroob: "here comes the civil suit"

uh why wouldn't there be a civil suit?


Because Florida law says a successful defense of a case when claiming self defence makes you immune from civil action.
 
2013-07-14 12:14:50 AM

PsiChick: Cataholic: PsiChick: Pichu0102: Anyone who celebrates this should be shunned.
Anyone who threatens him should be prosecuted.
Anyone who thinks this means "open season on whatever minority I don't like" should be prosecuted.
Violent rioters should be prosecuted.


Furthermore, everyone should be depressed. A kid is dead, his family is scarred, and a man's life was thrown into chaos and will likely be haunted by this for the rest of his life.

No one wins no matter what happens. My main concern was that people would celebrate this trial's conclusion, despite what a horrible thing that is to celebrate, and I was proven right.

Uh...he brought that one on himself...

/If you're Random Dumbfark, sure, you might not know that following a teen boy in the middle of the night is a stupid idea. If you're 'Captain of the Neighborhood Watch' with a 911 dispatcher telling you to stay the fark put...you have no goddamn excuse for the consequences, especially since  you are the adult in the situation.

I know.  He should have just laid back and taken the beating he deserved.  What did he think was gonna happen wearin that skirt?

You want to know the difference between Zimmerman and a rape victim? Zimmerman  chose to get out of his car and actively pursue Trayvon while armed*. Rape victims don't usually chase rapists around with guns.

/*And, as you would know if you knew the first damn thing about gun safety, while you are carrying a loaded weapon you DO NOT TAKE ACTION THAT MIGHT PROVOKE A FIGHT.
//Godfarkingdamn, how do people miss the most basic gun-safety rules?


Getting your face bashed in is NOT a reasonably foreseeable consequence of getting out of a car to find out where someone acting suspiciously ran to, any more than getting raped is a reasonably foreseeable consequence to wearing a skimpy skirt to a party.  NOBODY should have to fear someone's criminal act and have it considered criminally negligent in failing to do so.  Someone under the mistaken belief that you are not where you are supposed to be does not pose a reasonable threat to your life and you have no right to bash their head in until they commit some overt act that leads you to believe they are going to harm you.  Even starting a simple scuffle with someone doesn't mean you forfeit your right to defend yourself if the other party wishes to turn it into a life or death struggle.  The fact that many people fail to acknowledge these simple truths leads me to believe they have an ulterior motive and are merely using this case to try and restrict the rights of people to use firearms to lawfully defend themselves.  If you want to be on the side of the poor oppressed criminal who society forces into a life of violence and theft, be my guest.  Just be up front about that in voicing your opinion.
 
2013-07-14 12:15:04 AM
Propain_Az

You ask what I based my opinion on?

While I can see how a jury might have found Zimmerman "acted in self defense" there is a part of this situation that begs to be repeated.... George Zimmerman created the environment in which he ultimately had "to defend himself.."

Regardless of my opinion, a jury has rendered their verdict and I have enough faith in our legal system to let it be...
 
2013-07-14 12:15:39 AM

The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: Lisa Bloom, STFU.

Yes, we get it. Zimmerman would have been convicted and express lane'd to ol' Sparky if you had been the prosecutor. He's still not going to sleep with you.


He who?

You don't think really hard about your posts, do you?
 
2013-07-14 12:15:42 AM
Thank you Farkers,

These past two weeks, during the trial, I have seen less DERP during the hearing than I have ever seen in the last 10 years or so going back to the guy that got put in jail for clogging the toilet on the Canadian boarder story. Anyhow, good night and I shall argue again and laugh at your headlines at another time.

/lots of derp though from the TM supporters that think that getting out of your car is an illegal act that is also agressive
 
2013-07-14 12:15:43 AM
 I gotta go to a place where I can get a shot and a beer and steak.  Not more f__king pancakes. Come on.
 
2013-07-14 12:15:43 AM

WhyteRaven74: LemSkroob: "here comes the civil suit"

uh why wouldn't there be a civil suit?


Could have sworn I saw in one of these threads that someone quoted a FL statute that if he was found not guilty, then he could not be subject to a civil suit, due to the self-defense thing? Or did the jury actually have to state in the verdict it was self-defense? Or does that only apply if it had been ruled justified under SYG? It's a bit confusing how each state is different in that regard--any actual lawyers here to answer conclusively on that?
 
2013-07-14 12:15:45 AM

AgentPothead: And yet he'll be found guilty in a civil case for causing Martin's death. Funny how that works.


I think he might be able to use "stand your ground" to avoid even that.
 
2013-07-14 12:15:55 AM

cretinbob: [i.qkme.me image 400x301]

His life is still farked.


F that....he'll be just fine.
 
2013-07-14 12:15:58 AM

Kevin72: MelGoesOnTour: For what it's worth, if Martin was such an innocent angel you'd think he'd have said to Zimmerman something along the lines of "Hey, bro', it's all good and I'm just walking home so be cool" rather than decide to attack him outright. Zimmerman may have been guilty of being too suspicious but Martin pulled the first punch.

Can you understand that he was scared crazy by the guy that kept following him? He was just 17. A teenager. Because he was black people thing of him as a big adult, not the way people think of white minors. A teenager's brain is still growing. While scared by the guy that kept chasing him, any brain goes into fight or flight, and he TRIED FLIGHT. But the teen brain will take more crazy risks because it is not fully developed.


Please, educate me on how George should have proceeded after being walloped and mounted like an animal. Go ahead.
 
2013-07-14 12:16:00 AM

Amos Quito: johnnyrocket: Simple question: if you claim self defense, you need scant proof that it was self defense?

Very scary verdict, seems like open season for shooting people for no reason at all. And getting away with it.

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What "no reason at all' might look like.


You know how not to get your ass beat?  Don't follow suspected criminals into darkened areas.  It's worked pretty well for me for almost 30 years.
 
2013-07-14 12:16:02 AM

Aigoo: ChaosStar: Elegy: ChaosStar: Even going out and getting her gun from the car wasn't against the law if it was her place.

It technically wasn't her home. Her and her SO had separated, and she was living elsewhere, and she had a restraining order taken out against him. She went over there thinking he wasn't home, and he was.

And you can't leave a confrontation, grab a gun, and return with it. That is not "standing your ground" under any definition of the term, or the self-defense laws of any state. The fact that she was able to get away and returned with a firearm, and the fact that the 911 call her SO was on where she could clearly be heard saying "I got something for you" and then shooting.....

Like the Zimmerman case, this is not the civil rights case people are looking for.

If she was still considered an owner of the property, she had a right to be there.
She could also go and get her gun, as it's still her property, and return to collect her things. Doesn't even need a ccp, as it's her property. This isn't leaving a confrontation then returning, it's leaving a confrontation and going back to her original purpose. A new confrontation, legally speaking, would have began once she returned to the house.
He came at her, size being taken into account of disparity of force, she could have shot him to protect herself from potential lethal force.
She didn't though, she fired a warning shot, that's illegal.

Again, this is all assuming she was still an owner of the property or had a legal right to be there. I don't know all the facts in the case so I'm only giving out information on one potential scenario.

Also, in several news articles I have seen on that incident, the SO admits to having been abusive and testified in her defense, saying that yes, she did fire a warning shot because she was friggin terrified at the time--he's said that to the media, so the idea that she was even prosecuted was absurd. Twenty years in prison is beyond ridiculous.


She turned down a 3 year plea deal, because she thought the self defense law applied to her.
Self defense doesn't apply to warning shots, because warning shots are dangerous.
 
2013-07-14 12:16:06 AM

WhyteRaven74: Gyrfalcon: That Zimmerman could have avoided the fight by staying back (or better still, staying in his car) does not matter to a verdict of self-defense; what matter is, at the moment of decision, did he reasonably believe his life was in danger? And clearly, the jury agreed that he did.

The problem is, that it totally dismisses whether or not Martin felt he was in danger to start with.


Because it doesn't matter. He had no legal right to attack Zim unless Zim had physically attacked him first. That's the way the law works. Zim broke no laws by just following, and that alone is not legal justification for force without a direct threat and provable escalation of force. shiat stains in your drawers are not evidence.
 
2013-07-14 12:16:20 AM
I looks like Barry isn't getting laid tonight
 
2013-07-14 12:16:24 AM

Tom_Slick: Kathy Lee and Hoda Like Pancakes (Possibly NSFW)


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2013-07-14 12:16:43 AM

D_S_W: Can't we all just get along?


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2013-07-14 12:16:54 AM

NorCalLos: skullkrusher: NorCalLos: I don't mean to incite a riot here, but if I think rioting right now is a pretty rational thing to do.

destroying property in your neighborhood because a latino dude was acquitted of murdering a black kid? That doesn't sound really rational

From another perspective:

Having it declared justice to follow around a young man who has done nothing wrong with a gun until he "stands his ground," then shooting him because he's winning the fight you baited him into basically means you and your offspring do not legally have the right to exist in public.


actually, that was never "declared justice". Nothing says that Zimmerman was right in his actions. All that has been said is that he is not guilty of murder. There is no justification for destroying people's property because you don't like an outcome of a court case. It is not rational. It is not even reasonable. It's farking stupid.
 
2013-07-14 12:16:58 AM

Full Metal Retard: sjc


How can I know if something exists if I don't even know what the hell you're talking about?
I never said I thought Zim was guilty. I accept that a beyond reasonable doubt acquittal was inevitable and justified. There was not enough evidence to convict. What I'm not doing is spouting off on the internet 'Zimmerman is INNOCENT, his own statements are FACT, that PROVE his innocence, all other evidence contrary to this is FANTASY' because quite frankly that would be retarded.
 
2013-07-14 12:16:58 AM

AgentPothead: And yet he'll be found guilty in a civil case for causing Martin's death. Funny how that works.


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2013-07-14 12:17:10 AM
I wasn't there when it happened and I'm guessing none of you were there either.   I wasn't in the courtroom throughout the trial and I'm guessing none of you were either.  I have to trust that the jury who had more facts than were reported in the media, made the correct decision.

That being said, I'm somewhat surprised at the not guilty for manslaughter (based on what I read about the case, I didn't think second-degree murder would fly).  Then again, after reading about the prosecutorial misconduct from earlier today...I shouldn't be surprised that the prosecution's case was weak (why withhold evidence from the defense if their case was strong?).  Personally, I wasn't rooting for either side...because really...nobody won with this verdict as Martin is still dead and Zimmerman will have to live with it (as well as look over his shoulder for the rest of his life).
 
2013-07-14 12:17:17 AM
THIS IS NOW A RIOT PORN THREAD

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2013-07-14 12:17:24 AM

Mentat: MelGoesOnTour: Mentat: MelGoesOnTour: For what it's worth, if Martin was such an innocent angel you'd think he'd have said to Zimmerman something along the lines of "Hey, bro', it's all good and I'm just walking home so be cool" rather than decide to attack him outright. Zimmerman may have been guilty of being too suspicious but Martin pulled the first punch.

He didn't attack him outright.  He confronted Zimmerman in his car and Zimmerman wouldn't identify himself.  Trayvon then ran away and waited for Zimmerman to follow him, which he did.

So Zimmerman was essentially ambushed?!

Yes, he was, and that was never in dispute.  Trayvon ran away and then waited to see if Zimmerman followed, which he did.  Trayvon confronted him again and at some point started throwing punches.  We don't know if Zimmerman said something to provoke him or if Trayvon saw the gun or if Trayvon simply decided to start throwing punches.  But you know what?  Zimmerman is a grown ass man.  He should have known better than to put himself in that situation.  The law is the law but common sense will save your ass far more often than the law will.


Sadly, I have to agree with you now I have to shower.
 
2013-07-14 12:17:31 AM

TardFarker: I looks like Barry isn't getting laid tonight


Why?
 
2013-07-14 12:17:35 AM

azmoviez: Waffles, but none of that Belgian crap.


Nobody likes Belgians.
 
2013-07-14 12:17:39 AM
Maybe the jury knew that jail was too kind so they decided to make him a prisoner as a free man. He now has to walk paranoid for the rest of his life that some crazy person won't attack him.

And seeing as how it's 2013, either this guy is going to need a full security detail or he has to relocate to the Amazon rain forest in order to survive.
 
2013-07-14 12:17:42 AM

Bravo Two: Dammit, now I want pancakes.


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