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2013-07-13 11:24:15 PM

FlyingJ: anybody think that Gawker Adam Weinstein's writing seems kind've odd in a fetishy way?


Yeah, but it's Gawker. They're the trashy tabloid magazine of the interwebs.
 
2013-07-13 11:24:20 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Zimmerman is in good company:

[img2-2.timeinc.net image 400x300]


Not even close......
 
2013-07-13 11:24:21 PM
 
2013-07-13 11:24:27 PM

Heathen: my god, my dog is producing uranium spill level gas right now.   Oddly appropriate


It was the Alpo. It's always the Alpo.
 
2013-07-13 11:24:31 PM
Holy crap I have not seen Geraldo Rivera in a while, man he looks rough.
 
2013-07-13 11:24:34 PM

kombat_unit: How soon till Barry's DOJ files civil rights violation?


Sharpton is already on the case!
 
2013-07-13 11:24:38 PM
The Martin family attorney compared Trayvon Martin to Medgar Evers. That's pretty insulting to Evers.
 
2013-07-13 11:24:42 PM

ChaosStar: skullkrusher: ChaosStar: skullkrusher: Elegy: Skeptigal: You stupid FLORIDIOTS! Too bad "stand your ground" is only a defense if you're white. A woman who fired warning shots at her husband who was coming at her (she had a protective order against him), was just sentenced to 20 yrs in prison. For attempted manslaughter. In Florida. Guess what color she is?

Guess what? She broke into her SO's house when she had a restraining order against him, confronted him, left his house to get her gun out of her car, returned to continue to argument, and fired a "warning shot" that deflected off the wall and into the ceiling when her children were standing in the same room.

Oh yeah, there was a 911 call where she could be clearly heard saying "I got something for you" and then a shot.

Then she insisted she had a SYG defense when she had a plea deal on the table and rolled the dice on a trial when the charges she was up against had a 20 year mandatory minimum.

Marissa Alexander has no one to blame but herself for going to jail.

BUT I WANNA BE MAD

Can you link a citation for all those facts of the case?
I was looking for it after reading that post but every article I've found has been very light on the actual events.

first I've heard of the case

I'm sorry Skull, that was suppose to go to Elegy


no probs. The only real controversy with that case sounds like it is regarding mandatory minimum laws. She went to the home they shared thinking he wasn't there to get her stuff. He was there and they started to argue. She left the house, got her gun and went back into the house. She had already left the situation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/19/marissa-alexander-gets-20_n _1 530035.html
 
2013-07-13 11:24:47 PM

sjcousins: What the fark is the race industry anyway?


What I want to know is if it contributes to our GDP? Because every bit helps.
 
2013-07-13 11:24:51 PM
If I had a black son, I would be absolutely terrified for his future right now.
 
2013-07-13 11:24:57 PM
Katie Featherston, anyone?

www.horrorphilia.com
 
2013-07-13 11:25:04 PM

ChaosStar: skullkrusher: Elegy: Skeptigal: You stupid FLORIDIOTS! Too bad "stand your ground" is only a defense if you're white. A woman who fired warning shots at her husband who was coming at her (she had a protective order against him), was just sentenced to 20 yrs in prison. For attempted manslaughter. In Florida. Guess what color she is?

Guess what? She broke into her SO's house when she had a restraining order against him, confronted him, left his house to get her gun out of her car, returned to continue to argument, and fired a "warning shot" that deflected off the wall and into the ceiling when her children were standing in the same room.

Oh yeah, there was a 911 call where she could be clearly heard saying "I got something for you" and then a shot.

Then she insisted she had a SYG defense when she had a plea deal on the table and rolled the dice on a trial when the charges she was up against had a 20 year mandatory minimum.

Marissa Alexander has no one to blame but herself for going to jail.

BUT I WANNA BE MAD

Can you link a citation for all those facts of the case?
I was looking for it after reading that post but every article I've found has been very light on the actual events.


Damn - there was a good article discussing it that has been buried under all of the other media coverage and I can't find it now.

The best I can find ATM is a an discussion with an exasperated Angela Corey.

Note that the jury took less than 20 minutes to convict Alexander - it's not like the verdict was in doubt in terms of the charges brought against her. She admitted to most of them in court. The fact that people can't understand that firing a "warning shot" is reckless endangerment with a firearm, and that such an act carries a very high mandatory minimum in the state of Florida (a state with high mandatory minimums for all gun crime), just baffles me.
 
2013-07-13 11:25:08 PM
The plural of "feelings" is not "evidence."
 
2013-07-13 11:25:14 PM
I will be shocked if there is peace on the streets tonight, although I feel the right verdict was rendered. Can't they have a "quit acting like a cop" law that gives 3-5?
 
2013-07-13 11:25:56 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Katie Featherston, anyone?

[www.horrorphilia.com image 390x584]


I just.....in my pants
 
2013-07-13 11:26:26 PM

tbeatty: Coco LaFemme: Of course he got off.  All you need to do anymore to get away with murder is say you felt "threatened."  Doesn't matter what color anyone is in this equation.  Two white people, two black people, mixed...doesn't really matter.  As long as you the shooter tell the jury that you were afraid for your life, you could justify killing an infant if it came down to it.

That's how farked up this country is right now.

Did you miss all those things they call "evidence" and "facts?"  Zimm was getting the shiat kicked out of him and his head being banged against the sidewalk.

The investigating officer knew not to arrest.  There were no charges until it got political and then the political types got their a$$es handed to them.  Zimmerman will now sue and win a case for malicious prosecution.  He should never have been charged.


How do you know that Zimmerman didn't start it by confronting that kid, the kid was scared because the creepy cracker was following him and defended himself and when Zimmerman started to get his ass kicked he killed him? That's just as plausible. Only those two know and one of them is dead so...
Seems to me that they have just sent a msg that if you want to kill someone, just start some shiat, start to get your ass kicked and then you can kill them now. Not saying that is what Zimmerman did, just saying looks like you could get away with doing that now.
 
2013-07-13 11:26:36 PM

Ooba Tooba: I will be shocked if there is peace on the streets tonight, although I feel the right verdict was rendered. Can't they have a "quit acting like a cop" law that gives 3-5?


I think there will be some stories of some folks getting jumped or shot at, but not anything like a riot.
 
2013-07-13 11:26:37 PM

The Face Of Oblivion: The plural of "feelings" is not "evidence."


Trick question.  "Feelings" is already plural.
 
2013-07-13 11:26:41 PM

SphericalTime: If I had a black son, I would be absolutely terrified for his future right now.


As opposed to what other time in American history?
 
2013-07-13 11:26:49 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Katie Featherston, anyone?

[www.horrorphilia.com image 390x584]


She seems nice.
 
2013-07-13 11:26:52 PM

Elegy: The fact that people can't understand that firing a "warning shot" is reckless endangerment with a firearm


That doesn't even make sense.

But then again, this is Florida we're talking about..
 
2013-07-13 11:26:56 PM

ko_kyi: iq_in_binary: Legal investigator. MY JOB was following people. You NEVER continuously trail somebody from less than 20-30 yards away. Because any closer is considered menacing. Besides that, if you had half a brain, you wouldn't be trailing somebody in a fashion that would alert them to the fact that you're tailing. For exactly the same reason, it can be construed as intimidating or threatening. Menacing, Intimidation, Stalking, there are all kinds of criminal charges that can and will be levied against you for following people around, and plenty of investigators have been tried with them despite the perfectly legitimate reasons they have to be investigating people.

That actually is both interesting and contributes to the conversation.

Who invited you?


I agree with the OP, which is why I would have returned a guilty verdict. Leaving the car when the cops told him not to showed intent. At that point Martin was just walking down the street. The escalation starts when Zimmerman leaves the car. THAT decision is what he needs to be accountable for. Unfortunately, I don't know what law that might apply under.
 
2013-07-13 11:26:56 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Katie Featherston, anyone?

[www.horrorphilia.com image 390x584]




Oh wow. Nice
 
2013-07-13 11:27:08 PM
... shiat, I got two eggs left in the carton and half a loaf of bread. I'm making French toast for breakfast tomorrow.
 
2013-07-13 11:27:14 PM

teenage mutant ninja rapist: reklamfox: tbaughm: SphericalTime: Okay, after Florida burns down, what state's tag will replace it on Fark?
- DrewCurtis (@DrewCurtis) July 14, 2013

I'm going to go with Texas or Ohio.

Ohio. We're farking dumb here.

My vote is for Arizona

I do feel it has been far to long for detroit to go without representation.


A *city* with its own tag.  hmmm.....
 
2013-07-13 11:27:24 PM
Prosecutor:
Speaking at a press conference after the verdict, prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda said he was "disappointed" with the verdict. "Who followed who? Isn't that what this case boils down to?" de la Rionda said.

I think, probably this prosecutor should be fired. Following is NOT a crime. The issue boils down to "Who assaulted who?" When you're assaulted, self defense is a legal defense for actions taken to defend yourself.

Prosecutors should understand very fine legal distinctions of this sort.
 
2013-07-13 11:27:25 PM

SphericalTime: If I had a black son, I would be absolutely terrified for his future right now.


Why?  Would your black son be a dope smoking thug with a shiatty attitude?  And stupid enough to confront some asshole with a weapon?  shiat, I always thought you'd be a better parent than that.
 
2013-07-13 11:27:36 PM

odinsposse: So I love pancakes. From my mom's side I was passed down recipes for Swedish pancakes and lefse. My dad is an expert at traditional pancakes and has done some good crepes as well. I haven't done any of it. However I've been thinking of investing in pancake griddle like this one and really getting into it. Anyone use one like it? Don't tell me about cast iron. I've bought and thrown out two cast iron skillets because I can never get them seasoned right and they rust like crazy.


Go for an electric griddle if you don't want to mess with cast iron, I have one of these.  It provides very controllable even heat to make your pancakes turn out perfectly.  The secret to a cooking a good pancake is and even heat source, generally non cast iron pans will have hot and cold spots.
 
2013-07-13 11:27:44 PM

lantawa: Lionel Mandrake: Zimmerman is in good company:

[img2-2.timeinc.net image 400x300]

Not even close......


Not even close to what?

They're all not guilty.

Fact.
 
2013-07-13 11:27:54 PM
Just finished a waffle covered in butter and patty melt.  Are you guys still talking about the case?

/oh I feel a little guilty about how much I ate...
 
2013-07-13 11:27:54 PM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: Seems to me that they have just sent a msg that if you want to kill someone, just start some shiat, start to get your ass kicked and then you can kill them now.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-13 11:28:03 PM

UNC_Samurai: This is about the prosecution being unable to put together a compelling case.

You don't go to jail just for being proven a racist asshole.


You're talking about Trayvon Martin saying "cracker," right?
 
2013-07-13 11:28:04 PM

ChaosStar: skullkrusher: Elegy: Skeptigal: You stupid FLORIDIOTS! Too bad "stand your ground" is only a defense if you're white. A woman who fired warning shots at her husband who was coming at her (she had a protective order against him), was just sentenced to 20 yrs in prison. For attempted manslaughter. In Florida. Guess what color she is?

Guess what? She broke into her SO's house when she had a restraining order against him, confronted him, left his house to get her gun out of her car, returned to continue to argument, and fired a "warning shot" that deflected off the wall and into the ceiling when her children were standing in the same room.

Oh yeah, there was a 911 call where she could be clearly heard saying "I got something for you" and then a shot.

Then she insisted she had a SYG defense when she had a plea deal on the table and rolled the dice on a trial when the charges she was up against had a 20 year mandatory minimum.

Marissa Alexander has no one to blame but herself for going to jail.

BUT I WANNA BE MAD

Can you link a citation for all those facts of the case?
I was looking for it after reading that post but every article I've found has been very light on the actual events.


Oh yeah, don't believe the hype about SYG "not available for victims of domestic violence" tripe.

The Arruda case shows that SYG does work for victims of domestic violence.

Of course, we don't talk about that, because Arruda was "white" so there's no racial narrative to pursue.
 
2013-07-13 11:28:18 PM
Ooba Tooba: I will be shocked if there is peace on the streets tonight, although I feel the right verdict was rendered. Can't they have a "quit acting like a cop" law that gives 3-5?

A logical statement on a Skittles thread? This place is slipping.
 
2013-07-13 11:28:43 PM

gregscott: Prosecutor:
Speaking at a press conference after the verdict, prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda said he was "disappointed" with the verdict. "Who followed who? Isn't that what this case boils down to?" de la Rionda said.

I think, probably this prosecutor should be fired. Following is NOT a crime. The issue boils down to "Who assaulted who?" When you're assaulted, self defense is a legal defense for actions taken to defend yourself.

Prosecutors should understand very fine legal distinctions of this sort.


Half the prosecutors I know of can barely tie their own shoes.
 
2013-07-13 11:29:01 PM

gregscott: Prosecutors should understand very fine legal distinctions of this sort.


Prosecutors don't giveafark. One more line in the W column is all they seem to care about.
 
2013-07-13 11:29:04 PM

Mighty Taternuts: MatrixOutsider: Mighty Taternuts: Raiden333: As the case went on, I started to realize that the case had been mischaracterized in the media and that there was in fact Reasonable Doubt. I saw that the prosecution was unable to establish a consistent narrative of what happened, and relied only on attacking Zimmerman's character and evoking emotion for Martin. I am sad that Martin is dead, it should not have happened. Both men made stupid mistakes that night. I don't know Zimmerman well enough to make a call on if he truly had ill-will in his heart. But I am happy a not guilty verdict was reached, because it means that evidence and the process of law have overridden appeals to emotion.

He chased a kid that did nothing wrong after the 911 operator told him not to, how is that not ill-will?

The operator does not have the authority to issue a police command.

That isn't what I asked. Following an innocent person with the intent of stopping them because you feel they may have done something wrong is ill-will.


He chased no one
 
2013-07-13 11:29:05 PM

Shadow Blasko: TsukasaK: Shadow Blasko: Whatever you wheat lovers...

I'm gonna vote for Steak and Eggs, T-bone-Medium, Scrambled with cheese, scattered, covered, and chunked. With a Vanilla Coke

I lack the steak and cheese.. I think I may just go out tomorrow morning to the diner, that sounds godly right now.




I got yer breakfast... Right here


You go Waffle House subby!!

Hooray for waffles!!!!!

Fark flapjacks and the spatula they rode in on!!!!

That is an excellent pre-riot meal.
 
2013-07-13 11:29:06 PM

SphericalTime: If I had a black son, I would be absolutely terrified for his future right now.


Because of all the black-on-black crime?
 
2013-07-13 11:29:08 PM
So what have we learned lately about Florida?

It's OK to murder blah children wearing hoodies.
While massive Medicare fraud is illegal, it does not prevent one from becoming governor.
 
2013-07-13 11:29:12 PM
The Footlocker in Sanford is going to catch some shiat over this.
 
2013-07-13 11:29:20 PM

Lionel Mandrake: lantawa: Lionel Mandrake: Zimmerman is in good company:

[img2-2.timeinc.net image 400x300]

Not even close......

Not even close to what?

They're all not guilty.

Fact.


yeah, we get it. You want to pretend it's the same as OJ being acquitted.
 
2013-07-13 11:29:33 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Katie Featherston, anyone?

[www.horrorphilia.com image 390x584]


I don't know. Does she like pancakes? Waffles? Maybe even tacos? These are important questions.
 
2013-07-13 11:29:34 PM

TsukasaK: TsukasaK: nosferatublue: NAACP is asking folks to sign a petition asking the DOJ to file civil rights charges against Z.

Fark it, let's make it a meme now.

Aaand let's try again, since apparently it's too much to ask to make the assumption that a post shouldn't be posted if one of its images go bad:

[i.imgur.com image 272x254]


Cute, Morbo. You assume that you can't fark with the rules because it's unconstitutional.

/try telling that in Austin
 
2013-07-13 11:29:40 PM

skullkrusher: Somacandra: skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: creepy ass-cracka: No. Those are racial slurs uttered by Martin.

Based on what? Zimmerman's word?

Do black people really say "cracka" still? I thought that was a dated term to use.

his girlfriend testified that he said that on the phone to her

I have words for people that stalk me at night in the dark too while I'm on the sidewalk. They are not complimentary.

if they're racist then guess what? You're a racist.


That's pretty interesting considering I'm a Latino academic who works in African-American Studies. I'll bet your understanding of the historical, social, economic, political and structural components of racism is dazzling to behold. Protip: Language informs racialization and vice versa, but neither of them are equivalent to the other.
 
2013-07-13 11:30:04 PM
pbs.twimg.com

Currently burning up the twitterverse. Jegus.
 
2013-07-13 11:30:16 PM
Yummy.

images.mysupermarket.co.uk
Also yummy.

karenlac.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-07-13 11:30:31 PM
Had pancakes at Batter Up on Wednesday and I still feel stuffed and bloated, but dang were they good.

Got spotlighted by a cop in January when I was standing at a stoplight at 5am. I was wearing a black hoodie on my way home from jogging. I am a creepy ass cracker.
 
2013-07-13 11:30:32 PM

LordJiro: casual disregard: Lionel Mandrake: casual disregard: Lionel Mandrake: NOT GUILTY!!

JUST LIKE OJ!!

The jury decided.

That's how it works in our justice system. No posthumous verdicts from the bench, no guilt presumed upon accusation, no tribal dances, no bribes or other bullcrap. The jury decided.

And they decided correctly.

That's what happens when rednecks write stupid laws: bad things happen, but nobody did anything wrong.

The law is the law despite or even in spite of what Judge Dredd proclaimed. From my little armchair I concluded based on the evidence that Zimmerman would have been guilty of at least something. In Florida, apparently not.

My opinion means nothing there. My opinion means less than nothing here! This is the law we are discussing, and the law is at worst lawful evil. The jury decided.

I hope that Zimmerman will find a quiet life. I suspect that will not be true. I suspect vigilantes will make his life hell. At this point, I'm hating the vigilantes. Give him the respect the jury gave him. Leave him alone.

Yeah, it'd be a damn shame if someone took the law into their own hands and shot someone they believed to be a criminal.


It would be a damn shame if anyone in our country for any reason took the law into their own hands against the will of a jury.

Batman is a fun idea in our collective minds. He gets the bad guys that escape the system!

The reality is race riots. The reality is anarchy. The reality is revolution.

I'm not ready for numbers one and two. I don't think you're ready for number three.
 
2013-07-13 11:30:38 PM

FreetardoRivera: [www.deedeeworks.com image 304x300]



Thread over--I'm not reading any more posts.

/I love it when the structure of the legal system overrules emotions.
 
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