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(Some Guy)   That story about how "new research determines that conspiracy theorists are the sane ones and government apologists are crazy" has been debunked by the person who did the research. We are back on the other side of the looking glass, people   (conspiracypsych.com) divider line 64
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2013-07-13 03:30:23 PM
This proves that the government got to him!
 
2013-07-13 03:45:42 PM

HighOnCraic: This proves that the government got to him!


Excellent headline considering the past, subs

However, bumping this thread to the commented section was unneeded
 
2013-07-13 03:48:26 PM

cman: HighOnCraic: This proves that the government got to him!

Excellent headline considering the past, subs

However, bumping this thread to the commented section was unneeded


Maybe the government got to the submitter. . .
 
2013-07-13 03:52:14 PM
FTFA: (there's no room for nuance on the Internet, is there?)

Just in the porn.
I'm into age-regressed ponies having reluctant sex with gradual growth giantess staplers.  The guys who are into age-regressed ponies having non-consensual sex with gradual growth giantess staplers are a sick bunch of nutjobs.
 
2013-07-13 04:11:27 PM
That's just what they want you to believe!!!
 
2013-07-13 04:15:31 PM
there are no conspiracies.

only zule.
 
2013-07-13 04:53:18 PM
It's been my experience that when someone starts seriously throwing around conspiracy theories, it's useless to have any sort of political discussion with them.

In fact, it's a good question if you should have any sort of contact with them at all at that point.
 
2013-07-13 04:58:31 PM

jake_lex: In fact, it's a good question if you should have any sort of contact with them at all at that point.


From work a few months back:

"OMG OBAMA STOLE THE ELECTION LOOK AT THIS PRINTOUT FROM THE INTERNET!" To everyone in the room.

Lot of eyerolls and we moved on.
 
2013-07-13 05:06:33 PM

jake_lex: It's been my experience that when someone starts seriously throwing around conspiracy theories, it's useless to have any sort of political discussion with them.

In fact, it's a good question if you should have any sort of contact with them at all at that point.


That's the funny part; the study found that there were more people going online to argue that conspiracy theories are true than those who go online to debunk them.  The earlier link was to an article that cited this research as proof that the conspiracy theorists represented conventional wisdom.  The fact that non-conspiracy theorists aren't bother to argue with them anymore is proof (in their minds) that they're right.
 
2013-07-13 05:50:42 PM

jake_lex: It's been my experience that when someone starts seriously throwing around conspiracy theories, it's useless to have any sort of political discussion with them.

In fact, it's a good question if you should have any sort of contact with them at all at that point.


This is especially true of people who tell you that crop circles come from some kind of conspiracy of underground network of art students armed with boards and rope.
 
2013-07-13 05:59:34 PM
i1326.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-13 06:12:48 PM
Lee Harvey Oswald used a magic bullet. Magic does exist.
 
2013-07-13 06:14:17 PM
"interpreted the study as showing that conspiracists are "more sane" than conventionalists, and, given that this is an appealing headline for long-suffering conspiracists, has been copy-pasted around the Internet in a highly uncritical fashion. "
This is what I love about conspiracists. Something doesn't support their crazy views? Pick it apart and dismiss on a typo. Confirms what they believe? Definitely true, no need to really analyze too much. Everyone is guilty of confirmation bias to a certain degree, but tin-foil hatters have got it down to an art.
 
2013-07-13 06:15:09 PM
So the researchers are mere government apologists then, just not very good ones if their work is misunderstood initially.
 
2013-07-13 06:26:30 PM
Not to pat myself on the back. But i have been telling people for years, conspiracies exist, you have have to figure out which ones are the real ones.
 
2013-07-13 06:38:24 PM

oryx: So the researchers are mere government apologists then, just not very good ones if their work is misunderstood initially.


Well, that, or the conspiracy theorists willfully misunderstood the research.
 
2013-07-13 06:43:53 PM

MrLint: Not to pat myself on the back. But i have been telling people for years, conspiracies exist, you have have to figure out which ones are the real ones.


Seriously.

Re: 9/11:

Crazy reaction:  Bush and the CIA pulled off this elaborate, deadly bamboozle because I can't bear the weight of the possibility that Arabs could pull this off after a decade of planning and rewrites.

Normal skeptic's reaction:  Who stands to gain the most from this?  Anybody want to place bets on who the looters will be and what they'll do with it?

Re: NSA

Crazy reaction:  The NSA is watching everything I do, publicly and obnoxiously, on the internet!  This is the same NSA that pulled off 9/11 so extraordinarily, yet I am still shocked and outraged that this was even possible!  Privacy is a preordained entitlement that I refuse to accept that I am even remotely responsible for guarding my personal information!  The more reckless I am, the more I deserve my God given right to not be observed!  Excuse me, but I'm going to go watch Big Brother.

Normal reaction: You're telling me that the NSA is outsourcing fragile intel to completely unvetted morons?  I am not very comfortable with how buddy-buddy they are with the FISA courts.  F*ck the NSA and f*ck those judges, they got to get their sh*t together.

RE:  Benghazi

Crazy reaction: BENGHAZZARABLGLGL

Normal reaction: *chug*
 
2013-07-13 06:46:37 PM

HighOnCraic: oryx: So the researchers are mere government apologists then, just not very good ones if their work is misunderstood initially.

Well, that, or the conspiracy theorists willfully misunderstood the research.


Unpossible.
 
2013-07-13 06:47:38 PM
"Of the 2174 comments collected, 1459 were coded as conspiracist and 715 as conventionalist." That means it is the pro-conspiracy commenters who are expressing what is now the conventional wisdom, while the anti-conspiracy commenters are becoming a small, beleaguered minority.

I...just...no.  Holy fark.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-13 06:51:55 PM
 9/11 conspiracists tend to believe other conspiracy theories as well and 9/11 conventionalists tend to disbelieve other conspiracy theories as well - it's a replication of a classic finding with new archival methodology obvious.

Fix'd.

there's no room for nuance on the Internet, is there?

You got that right.
 
2013-07-13 06:53:12 PM

Fart_Machine: HighOnCraic: oryx: So the researchers are mere government apologists then, just not very good ones if their work is misunderstood initially.

Well, that, or the conspiracy theorists willfully misunderstood the research.

Unpossible.


The original thread:

http://www.fark.com/comments/7840520/New-research-determines-that-co ns piracy-theorists-are-sane-ones-government-apologists-are-crazy-We-are- through-looking-glass-people

Another story from the linked site:

We're going to have to get a lot tougher if we expect to survive what the Jewish government has in mind for us. - See more at: http://therebel.org/campbell/640155-the-ugly-american#sthash.9wu1yb0l . dpuf

/Probably not one of the sane ones.
 
2013-07-13 06:57:33 PM

thamike: Crazy reaction:  Bush and the CIA pulled off this elaborate, deadly bamboozle because I can't bear the weight of the possibility that Arabs could pull this off after a decade of planning and rewrites.


Granted I haven't given 9/11 truthers ten minute's cumulative attention in the last 12 years, but I never realized this was even an argument.

There are over 120,000 certified commercial pilots in the US right now, so flying a plane can't be *that* hard.  How racist can you get?
 
2013-07-13 07:05:34 PM

dookdookdook: Granted I haven't given 9/11 truthers ten minute's cumulative attention in the last 12 years, but I never realized this was even an argument.

There are over 120,000 certified commercial pilots in the US right now, so flying a plane can't be *that* hard. How racist can you get?


It isn't an argument they'd ever make.  But it's the cold truth of it.  At least, that's my conspiracy theory about conspiracy theorists.
 
2013-07-13 07:06:52 PM
What's Dean Chambers up to lately?
 
2013-07-13 07:07:19 PM

NewportBarGuy: jake_lex: In fact, it's a good question if you should have any sort of contact with them at all at that point.

From work a few months back:

"OMG OBAMA STOLE THE ELECTION LOOK AT THIS PRINTOUT FROM THE INTERNET!" To everyone in the room.

I was at a cheap hotel once (road trip, and in the middle of nowhere and needing rest), using the laptop on the shared balcony because the reception in my room was spotty and I wanted to smoke. Across from me, about four people were gathered around some guy's laptop reading...Infowars. I sat there for a good half hour listening to all of them squeal about Obama sending the CIA to take their guns, etc. I put up with it because I don't do politics with strangers and, frankly, even trying to discuss anything would be akin to me slamming my forehead on the cheap vinyl sided wall.

Why yes, this was somewhere in Alabama. I live in New Orleans so all my road trips involve some contact with the rural South (or, god help me, Texas). Granted I've been in the rural West and Northeast, and they're just as retarded. Different accents is all.

 
2013-07-13 07:07:54 PM
Well, it's clear that I fail at HTML.
 
2013-07-13 07:08:05 PM

thamike: It isn't an argument they'd ever make.


But they did.

FTAAdditionally, it turned out that the anti-conspiracy people were not only hostile, but fanatically attached to their own conspiracy theories as well. According to them, their own theory of 9/11 - a conspiracy theory holding that 19 Arabs, none of whom could fly planes with any proficiency, pulled off the crime of the century under the direction of a guy on dialysis in a cave in Afghanistan - was indisputably true.
 
2013-07-13 07:12:23 PM
i.qkme.me

/...and steals question marks from memes?
 
2013-07-13 07:15:29 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: [i.qkme.me image 625x564]

/...and steals question marks from memes?


I lol'd!
 
2013-07-13 07:18:26 PM
35 years ago, if I had said the government would become a police state with everyone carrying tracking devices and being snooped on while our rights and freedom of speech got eroded by the multinational corporations shipping jobs overseas in order to make us settle for a lower standard of living so the rich could get richer, I'd have been called a conspiracy theorist.

If I had said they'd get us to pay for the tracking devices willingly, they would have locked me up as dangerously insane.
 
2013-07-13 07:19:19 PM

dickfreckle: I was at a cheap hotel once (road trip, and in the middle of nowhere and needing rest),


I should clarify this before being called an elitist. I have no problem with cheap motels. This was the sort of place where hourly rates aren't printed but can be asked for, and I knew that going in. Half of the guests had three remaining teeth. But when night falls and you've been riding a bike all day - constant interstate drone of the same rpm - you don't really care how sh*tty it is. And their interstate sign said "wi-fi."

And the people raging against Obama's plan to raise the abortion limit to 2 years of age looked and acted exactly as you imagine they would. Alex Jones, these are the people who love you.
 
2013-07-13 07:43:09 PM

wildcardjack: 35 years ago, if I had said the government would become a police state with everyone carrying tracking devices and being snooped on while our rights and freedom of speech got eroded by the multinational corporations shipping jobs overseas in order to make us settle for a lower standard of living so the rich could get richer, I'd have been called a conspiracy theorist.

If I had said they'd get us to pay for the tracking devices willingly, they would have locked me up as dangerously insane.


And if 100 years ago I said a black man would be president I would have been thrown in jail.
 
2013-07-13 08:03:34 PM

DerpHerder: wildcardjack: 35 years ago, if I had said the government would become a police state with everyone carrying tracking devices and being snooped on while our rights and freedom of speech got eroded by the multinational corporations shipping jobs overseas in order to make us settle for a lower standard of living so the rich could get richer, I'd have been called a conspiracy theorist.

If I had said they'd get us to pay for the tracking devices willingly, they would have locked me up as dangerously insane.

And if 100 years ago I said a black man would be president I would have been thrown in jail.


And if 1,000 years ago I'd said people would be able to have conversations with people on the other side of the planet I would've been burned as a witch.

And if 10,000 years ago I'd said people would be growing their own food instead of hunting for mammoths, I would've been thrown into a volcano.

And if 100,000 years ago I'd said people would be crapping indoors, I would've been clubbed on the head and fed to the leopards.
 
2013-07-13 08:03:45 PM

taoistlumberjak: What's Dean Chambers up to lately?


I've always found if hard to stay focused on Dean for very long.
 
2013-07-13 08:04:44 PM

dickfreckle: Why yes, this was somewhere in Alabama. I live in New Orleans so all my road trips involve some contact with the rural South (or, god help me, Texas). Granted I've been in the rural West and Northeast, and they're just as retarded. Different accents is all.


We are surrounded by idiots. That's the best I can do. We can't kill 'em, we just have to put up with it.
 
2013-07-13 08:27:04 PM

dookdookdook: thamike: Crazy reaction:  Bush and the CIA pulled off this elaborate, deadly bamboozle because I can't bear the weight of the possibility that Arabs could pull this off after a decade of planning and rewrites.

Granted I haven't given 9/11 truthers ten minute's cumulative attention in the last 12 years, but I never realized this was even an argument.

There are over 120,000 certified commercial pilots in the US right now, so flying a plane can't be *that* hard.  How racist can you get?


To be fair takeoff and landing are the hard parts.
 
2013-07-13 08:32:22 PM

wildcardjack: 35 years ago, if I had said the government would become a police state with everyone carrying tracking devices and being snooped on while our rights and freedom of speech got eroded by the multinational corporations shipping jobs overseas in order to make us settle for a lower standard of living so the rich could get richer, I'd have been called a conspiracy theorist.

If I had said they'd get us to pay for the tracking devices willingly, they would have locked me up as dangerously insane.


But that wasn't some secret conspiracy.

The Information Awareness Office (IAO) was established by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) in January 2002 to bring together several DARPA projects focused on applying surveillance and information technology to track and monitor terrorists and other asymmetric threats to U.S. national security, by achieving Total Information Awareness (TIA).
This would be achieved by creating enormous computer databases to gather and store the personal information of everyone in the United States, including personal e-mails, social networks, credit card records, phone calls, medical records, and numerous other sources, without any requirement for a search warrant.[1] This information would then be analyzed to look for suspicious activities, connections between individuals, and "threats".[2] Additionally, the program included funding for biometric surveillance technologies that could identify and track individuals using surveillance cameras, and other methods.[2]
Following public criticism that the development and deployment of this technology could potentially lead to a mass surveillance system, the IAO was defunded by Congress in 2003. However, several IAO projects continued to be funded, and merely run under different names.[3][4][5][6]

Media coverage
    Harris, Shane (February 26, 2006). "TIA Lives On". The National Journal. Archived from the original on May 17, 2008.
    "Pentagon Defends Surveillance Program". The Washington Post. May 20, 2003.
    Webb, Cynthia L. (May 21, 2003). "The Pentagon's PR Play". The Washington Post.
    Bray, Hiawatha (April 4, 2003). "Mining Data to Fight Terror Stirs Privacy Fears". The Boston Globe. pp. C2.
    McCullagh, Declan (January 15, 2003). News.com.com "Pentagon database plan hits snag on Hill". CNET News.com.
    Markoff, John (February 13, 2002). "Chief Takes Over at Agency To Thwart Attacks on U.S.". The New York Times. pp. (first mainstream media mention of IAO).
 
2013-07-13 08:39:40 PM

BeesNuts: I've always found if hard to stay focused on Dean for very long.


icwutudidthar

Side note: I just found this on GIS, which says Dean was arrested on 6/12/12 (with goateed mugshot goodness), but I can't find anything on google or the Alabama courts websites about it, nor am I in much of an Internet Detective mood.
 
2013-07-13 08:51:04 PM

BeesNuts: taoistlumberjak: What's Dean Chambers up to lately?

I've always found if hard to stay focused on Dean for very long.


That's why I asked, I've lost track of him.
He's like the kid who you knew in high school who played with GI joes in class.  His senior english class.  You want to know where he is, but only so you can avoid the area.
 
2013-07-13 08:57:39 PM
Ho boy, I think I made some of my FB friends mad by posting a link to TFA rebutting the other articles.


Friend's wife: "Well well...finally something that supports us "crazies". Heh."

*link to story* New Study: 'Conspiracy theorists' sane; government dupes crazy, hostile

Me: "Yeeeah, not so much."

*link to rebuttal from study's author*

Her: "I can rephrase it makes the nay sayers even more ignorant."

(I'm not even sure what this means)

Friend: "That's a really well thought out, intelligent response, Jeff. Care to elaborate? Not sure why you can see these links come from me, but you only choose to comment when my wife shares them on her profile?"

(I never saw him post it)
 
2013-07-13 09:01:09 PM

fusillade762: Friend:  Not sure why you can see these links come from me, but you only choose to comment when my wife shares them on her profile?"


Obviously it's a conspiracy.
 
2013-07-13 09:09:58 PM

dookdookdook: fusillade762: Friend:  Not sure why you can see these links come from me, but you only choose to comment when my wife shares them on her profile?"

Obviously it's a conspiracy.


I c-o-n. . .spiracy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwz9RAVou1U
 
2013-07-13 09:22:44 PM

HighOnCraic: dookdookdook: fusillade762: Friend:  Not sure why you can see these links come from me, but you only choose to comment when my wife shares them on her profile?"

Obviously it's a conspiracy.

I c-o-n. . .spiracy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwz9RAVou1U


His final word on the subject: "People only see what they wanna see".

I'm just going to back away slowly now.
 
2013-07-13 09:26:44 PM
Topically-applied fluoride does not prevent tooth decay. It does, however, render teeth detectable by spy satellite.

The plastic tips at the ends of shoelaces are called aglets. Their true purpose is sinister.

There was a magic bullet. It was forged by Illuminati mystics to prevent us from learning the truth.

Secret messages are encoded in amino-acid chains in carb-free breakfast bars.

t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-13 10:07:22 PM
www.philipcoppens.com

Unavailable for comment.
 
2013-07-13 10:09:39 PM

Spaced Lion: Secret messages are encoded in amino-acid chains in carb-free breakfast bars.


Gosh I hope so.  That would be awesome.
 
2013-07-13 10:20:03 PM

Spaced Lion: Topically-applied fluoride does not prevent tooth decay. It does, however, render teeth detectable by spy satellite.


Naw man, the fluoride is to calcify your pineal gland so you can't communicate with the trans-dimensional alien machine elves. The government doesn't want that happening.
 
2013-07-13 10:39:22 PM

Spaced Lion: Secret messages are encoded in amino-acid chains in carb-free breakfast bars.


And the sewage system is used for underground delivery!

However, decoding the messages is a bit distasteful.
 
2013-07-13 10:52:30 PM
Holy crap----which side of the mirror did we START on???
 
2013-07-13 11:03:47 PM

fusillade762: dookdookdook: thamike: Crazy reaction:  Bush and the CIA pulled off this elaborate, deadly bamboozle because I can't bear the weight of the possibility that Arabs could pull this off after a decade of planning and rewrites.

Granted I haven't given 9/11 truthers ten minute's cumulative attention in the last 12 years, but I never realized this was even an argument.

There are over 120,000 certified commercial pilots in the US right now, so flying a plane can't be *that* hard.  How racist can you get?

To be fair takeoff and landing are the hard parts.


Actually landing is really easy. In fact it is pretty much guaranteed. Unless you want to walk away afterwards, then the difficulty ramps up.
 
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