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(The Sun)   The next James Bond film will be based on a Bond book, but not one written by Ian Fleming; it seems Sebastian Faulks' Devil May Care, a sequel to The Man with the Golden Gun, is Daniel Craig's next mission   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 71
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2013-07-13 03:14:21 PM
I read that one. I only vaguely recall the details but remember liking that it was set in the original time period.
 
2013-07-13 03:58:43 PM
I'm sure there will be people butthurt about this, because there are people who get butthurt over anything, but I don't see the big deal.  There's no reason to stick with Flemings' novels or stories.  It's not as thogh he was a master prose stylist and one of the true literary masters.
 
2013-07-13 04:20:22 PM
Still miss Brosnan. He deserved to go out with a better film than Die Another Day.
 
2013-07-13 04:27:46 PM
As long as they stick to what they did in Skyfall, I'm sure it will be awesome.
 
2013-07-13 04:34:39 PM
Have ALL the bond movies been based off Flemings novels or stories? A serious question... I watch the movies, but I'm not a hard, hard core fan.

I am also comfortable to the unspoken notion that any actor can pick up the role because the Agent 007 is a code name, not one particular guy.
 
2013-07-13 04:39:10 PM

Cerebral Knievel: Have ALL the bond movies been based off Flemings novels or stories? A serious question... I watch the movies, but I'm not a hard, hard core fan.


No, not a lot of of them have. I know none of the Brosnan ones were. They all tend to follow whatever trend is going on at the time. Right now it's the Jason Bourne gritty realistic low tech thing (I know Casino Royale was a Fleming novel).
 
2013-07-13 04:57:16 PM
the easy thing would be to criticize craig's career now, but i won't stoop to that level.
 
2013-07-13 05:00:29 PM

Cerebral Knievel: Have ALL the bond movies been based off Flemings novels or stories? A serious question... I watch the movies, but I'm not a hard, hard core fan.

I am also comfortable to the unspoken notion that any actor can pick up the role because the Agent 007 is a code name, not one particular guy.


I once worked with a librarian who was a big Bond fan. He did some research and wrote a biography of Albert R. Broccoli for some indexing publication, as well; plus read all the books, saw all the movies.

Anyway, he said that all the movies up through the Brosnan era were basically bits and pieces of all the books thrown together, plus stuff that was made up. He retired a while back so I don't know what he thinks of the Craig-version of Bond.

He really loved all of it, but like lots of older folks, preferred Connery as the best Bond.
 
2013-07-13 05:02:44 PM

johnnieconnie: He really loved all of it, but like lots of older folks, preferred Connery as the best Bond.


He'll always be THE James Bond. He was perfect for that role and it was perfect for him. Still watch the old ones every now and then. They are classics.
 
2013-07-13 05:08:03 PM

Mugato: Cerebral Knievel: Have ALL the bond movies been based off Flemings novels or stories? A serious question... I watch the movies, but I'm not a hard, hard core fan.

No, not a lot of of them have. I know none of the Brosnan ones were. They all tend to follow whatever trend is going on at the time. Right now it's the Jason Bourne gritty realistic low tech thing (I know Casino Royale was a Fleming novel).


okay, thanks, I can dig it,

So, why should anyone care, or, in my case, notice, that the new bond movie is not based off of Flemming's work? I think these folks protest too much..
 
2013-07-13 05:21:39 PM

NewportBarGuy: johnnieconnie: He really loved all of it, but like lots of older folks, preferred Connery as the best Bond.

He'll always be THE James Bond. He was perfect for that role and it was perfect for him. Still watch the old ones every now and then. They are classics.


because I am a child of the 80's, my first exposure to Bond was Roger Moore. and for the longest time, because of that.. Moore was MY BOND.

of course, after a while, I grew into the new bonds, and found the old bonds, so.. Bond Is Bond, he is the character, not the actor,

With all that said.. the latest thing in the brewery is imitating Goldfinger. our top seller is Brown ale.. our second biggest seller is Golden IPA.. which everyone either calls a Legend golden, or just a Legend gold.

so the fun thing to do is to hold up a pint of Golden IPA and recite...

"This is Gooooooooold Mr. Bond.

All my live I have been in love with it's color, it's brilliance, its... divine heaviness... (7%abv)
I entertain any enterprise that increases my stock.. which is considerable"

Do you expect me to drink?

NO Mr Bond, I EXPECT YOU TO DIE!!!!!
 
2013-07-13 05:30:58 PM
I've seen every Bond movie ever, usually a half-dozen times, but I never really feel like a huge James Bond fan. And I always assumed the movies were only based on the books in some vague sense that both were about a British spy.
 
2013-07-13 07:15:21 PM
The name's Bond, James Bond. Yes, the same James Bond that is a well-known British "secret" agent present at the downfall of any number of plots and schemes much like yours. Ah, yes, I'd be happy to listen to you explicate your plan to me. Is that glass of an amusingly idiosyncratic type of alcoholic beverage for me? Thank you. It was nice to meet you. I will go back to my hotel room now, where I am alone with no more protection than a small handgun of minimal caliber, and await the arrival of your apparently limitless paramilitary forces there. Witty comment, wink to our hostess.
 
2013-07-13 07:17:44 PM

NewportBarGuy: johnnieconnie: He really loved all of it, but like lots of older folks, preferred Connery as the best Bond.

He'll always be THE James Bond. He was perfect for that role and it was perfect for him. Still watch the old ones every now and then. They are classics.


yeah. Brosnan seemed like a cartoon of Bond and Bigears is like a remake. I dont buy the thing where they are all supposed to be the same guy or something.
 
2013-07-13 07:18:11 PM
The movies have been extremely loose adaptations. I've read a few of the books and enjoyed them, but they're very light on action and not literary classics.

But the causal racism and sexism is hilarious, disturbing, and quaint. Especially "Live and Let Die"

"Hardly anywhere in the world will you find a Negress driving a car."
 
2013-07-13 07:20:34 PM

thatguyoverthere70: The movies have been extremely loose adaptations. I've read a few of the books and enjoyed them, but they're very light on action and not literary classics.

But the causal racism and sexism is hilarious, disturbing, and quaint. Especially "Live and Let Die"

"Hardly anywhere in the world will you find a Negress driving a car."


What about the Chigroes from Dr. No?
 
2013-07-13 07:26:48 PM

NewportBarGuy: As long as they stick to what they did in Skyfall, I'm sure it will be awesome.


That movie reset the milieu. You'll note the offices are modeled after the Moonraker - For You Eyes Only type government offices. Nothing special, an anonymous bureau amid the bureaucrats. That fortress was a farking embarrassment to the genre.

Oh, and take the Goldfinger plot. Nuke the US gold reserve and devalue the currency 98%? I think you'll find someone beat you to the punch.
 
2013-07-13 07:28:29 PM

Confabulat: I've seen every Bond movie ever, usually a half-dozen times, but I never really feel like a huge James Bond fan. And I always assumed the movies were only based on the books in some vague sense that both were about a British spy.


Some were VERY true to the novel - From Ruddia With Love, Goldfinger, Thunderball, really a lot of the early ones. Casino Royale, once the (wrong) card game started, was pretty true to the book.

Some had a bit in common with the book, a lot (Moonraker) shared nothing but the name.
 
2013-07-13 07:31:16 PM
I read one Ian Fleming book. I think it was Dr. No.

It was horrible Like he wrote an outline sufficient for a movie, and let beagles fill in the details.

And I like beagles. A lot.
 
2013-07-13 07:48:12 PM
Looked up the storyline for the book; looks reasonably interesting to me.  I'm fine with it as long as they don't try to shoehorn in a plot thread with some kind of rogue element within MI6 exacting revenge and in the process letting him or herself be caught so the plan can be set in motion.  That whole "he let himself be captured!!!" trope needs to be given a nice long rest, not just in the Bond films but in any action movie made in the near future.
 
2013-07-13 07:51:26 PM

AgtSmithReloaded: Looked up the storyline for the book; looks reasonably interesting to me.  I'm fine with it as long as they don't try to shoehorn in a plot thread with some kind of rogue element within MI6 exacting revenge and in the process letting him or herself be caught so the plan can be set in motion.  That whole "he let himself be captured!!!" trope needs to be given a nice long rest, not just in the Bond films but in any action movie made in the near future.


That revenge plot was the most ridiculously convoluted scheme ever, and needed Scott Evil to explain to the villain he didn't need to the most difficulty 99% of his plan.
 
2013-07-13 07:52:41 PM
am i the only one who wishes they'd do a period bond set in the sixties again?
 
2013-07-13 07:55:48 PM

FlashHarry: am i the only one who wishes they'd do a period bond set in the sixties again?


I do, but I also like the original Casino Royale better, so what do I know.
 
2013-07-13 07:58:28 PM

NewportBarGuy: johnnieconnie: He really loved all of it, but like lots of older folks, preferred Connery as the best Bond.

He'll always be THE James Bond. He was perfect for that role and it was perfect for him. Still watch the old ones every now and then. They are classics.


He was just a stupid policeman.
 
2013-07-13 07:59:49 PM

Cerebral Knievel: Mugato: Cerebral Knievel: Have ALL the bond movies been based off Flemings novels or stories? A serious question... I watch the movies, but I'm not a hard, hard core fan.

No, not a lot of of them have. I know none of the Brosnan ones were. They all tend to follow whatever trend is going on at the time. Right now it's the Jason Bourne gritty realistic low tech thing (I know Casino Royale was a Fleming novel).

okay, thanks, I can dig it,

So, why should anyone care, or, in my case, notice, that the new bond movie is not based off of Flemming's work? I think these folks protest too much..


Fleming had an odd style of writing. I've read all the Bond novels (including the ones in the 80s).  In short, Dr. No, From Russia With Love, Thunderball, and Casino Royale were pretty much from the book.  The others had bits and pieces thrown in (the opening sequence from "The Living Daylights" was a short story of the same name).  I like pointing out to people that "The Spy Who Loved Me" takes place in upstate NY, near Lake George and is told from the perspective of a young woman.  There's a bit of continuity too.  The events in "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" is followed by "You Only Live Twice" and then conclude in "Man with the Golden Gun".

They're worth reading in context (don't bother comparing to the movies, read them for fun), and worth reading to get a better understanding who James Bond is.  In short, he's a dick, but really good at what he does.  That's why most people like Sean Connery and Daniel Craig - they can pull off being a dick really well.  Brosnan was okay, Moore...forget it, and Dalton was too good at being a dick.
 
2013-07-13 08:01:16 PM

Mugato: Still miss Brosnan. He deserved to go out with a better film than Die Another Day.


Truer words have never been spoken.
 
2013-07-13 08:05:29 PM
Any other Farkers read the John Gardner Bond books?  I read and enjoyed his first three back when I was a dumbass teenager, so they may have been more puerile than I recall.
 
2013-07-13 08:05:52 PM
...I was under the impression - and I will happily admit to error - that all of the post-Fleming novels were off limits to the movie people.  But, what the hell - pull off another Skyfall and I won't care if Bond 24 is based on Goodnight Moon.
 
2013-07-13 08:08:23 PM
After seeing "Sharknado" I can totally see Ian Ziering being the next Bond.


*not really
 
2013-07-13 08:09:33 PM
Cerebral Knievel * * Smartest * Funniest 2013-07-13 04:34:39 PM Have ALL the bond movies been based off Flemings novels or stories? A serious question... I watch the movies, but I'm not a hard, hard core fan.
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For the most part, everything through the License to Kill (Dalton's second and final outing as bond) was at least loosely based on a Fleming Novel.

Casino Royale was the only one since and even then, barely.
 
2013-07-13 08:15:09 PM

Thunderboy: Any other Farkers read the John Gardner Bond books?  I read and enjoyed his first three back when I was a dumbass teenager, so they may have been more puerile than I recall.


No, they were very good. Have them all in hardcover - only book series I ever made sure to be in the bookstores for release day
 
2013-07-13 08:25:01 PM

GRCooper: No, they were very good.


Maybe I'm underestimating my young self's literary taste.  I'll grab License Renewed for a reread.  Thanks!
 
2013-07-13 08:29:56 PM
Skyfall wasn't that good.  I'm tired of the overwhelming praise.  It was well made but the plot was retarded.

Quantum of Solace, on the other hand, is much better than people say.  I wish the next Bond movie would explore that organization more and show us more baddies and what they do.  Kinda like SPECTRE but not shiatty.
 
2013-07-13 08:32:29 PM
No pressure this time round, then. Especially after making such a big deal about Daniel Craig's Bond being broken and tired last time around.

Yeah, the brains behind that fiasco has gone on to ruin the most anticipated zombie film since Dawn of the Dead
 
2013-07-13 08:34:03 PM
It cannot be any worse than the original.  Golden Gun was among the worse Bond movies.
 
2013-07-13 08:35:08 PM

GRCooper: Thunderboy: Any other Farkers read the John Gardner Bond books?  I read and enjoyed his first three back when I was a dumbass teenager, so they may have been more puerile than I recall.

No, they were very good. Have them all in hardcover - only book series I ever made sure to be in the bookstores for release day


Did Bond have a H&K VP70 loaded with glasers as a dashboard backup,in one of those novels?
because i can remember that story from,like 25 years...
 
2013-07-13 08:39:48 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Skyfall wasn't that good.  I'm tired of the overwhelming praise.  It was well made but the plot was retarded.

Quantum of Solace, on the other hand, is much better than people say.  I wish the next Bond movie would explore that organization more and show us more baddies and what they do.  Kinda like SPECTRE but not shiatty.


Quantum of Solace is quite possibly my least favorite Bond flick ever. Never Say Never Again was painful, but at least I could see what was going on.
 
2013-07-13 08:45:22 PM
From the Wikipedia page on Devil May Care...

"The attack is to be made using a stolen British airliner, earlier hijacked over Iraqi airspace, and an ekranoplan."

Hell yes, tell me these things weren't designed specifically for a Bond villain. Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll get one of these crazy bastards flying.
n2.9cloud.us
 
2013-07-13 08:46:50 PM

Confabulat: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Skyfall wasn't that good.  I'm tired of the overwhelming praise.  It was well made but the plot was retarded.

Quantum of Solace, on the other hand, is much better than people say.  I wish the next Bond movie would explore that organization more and show us more baddies and what they do.  Kinda like SPECTRE but not shiatty.

Quantum of Solace is quite possibly my least favorite Bond flick ever. Never Say Never Again was painful, but at least I could see what was going on.


you and I are no longer BFFs.  Those are both solid flicks (though not the best Bond movies) and are both WAY better than half of the Roger Moore movies as well as The World is Not Enough and the 3rd trimester abortion that was Die Another Day.

Invisible farking car?  really?
 
2013-07-13 08:49:28 PM

BrotherKalashnikov: GRCooper: Thunderboy: Any other Farkers read the John Gardner Bond books?  I read and enjoyed his first three back when I was a dumbass teenager, so they may have been more puerile than I recall.

No, they were very good. Have them all in hardcover - only book series I ever made sure to be in the bookstores for release day

Did Bond have a H&K VP70 loaded with glasers as a dashboard backup,in one of those novels?
because i can remember that story from,like 25 years...


Sounds familiar. Think he also drove a Saab 9000 (a pretty hot car at the time)
 
2013-07-13 09:14:42 PM

wildcardjack: That movie reset the milieu.


I realized that into the movie and I was very happy. They've set is up to remake a lot of the movies. James Bond and ### have just gotten started. I think it has a long life and I trust the company that owns the rights. For now.
 
2013-07-13 09:20:07 PM

GRCooper: Confabulat: I've seen every Bond movie ever, usually a half-dozen times, but I never really feel like a huge James Bond fan. And I always assumed the movies were only based on the books in some vague sense that both were about a British spy.

Some were VERY true to the novel - From Ruddia With Love, Goldfinger, Thunderball, really a lot of the early ones. Casino Royale, once the (wrong) card game started, was pretty true to the book.

Some had a bit in common with the book, a lot (Moonraker) shared nothing but the name.


Yeah, those were the closest ones.  I think On Her Majesty's Secret Service was close to.  Dr. No had an island, a tank dragon, and a guy named Dr. No, but it had nothing to do with missiles.  Dr. No was harvesting guano.  And he didn't die by falling into a vat of nuclear waste, he died by getting a ton of bird guano dumped on him.  You Only Live Twice had the "Turning Japanese" bit, but there was no volcano or capturing space vessels.  Bond had to infiltrate Blofeld's hideout, a castle.  Diamonds are Forever was similar, but it was only about diamond smuggling and there was no satellite laser.  Live and Let Die had the voodoo and New York stuff, but it was about the smuggling of gold from a ship sunken in the Caribbean.  After The Man With the Golden Gun, they were mostly just titles and the occasional character names (like Hugo Drax).
 
2013-07-13 09:20:08 PM

GRCooper: BrotherKalashnikov: GRCooper: Thunderboy: Any other Farkers read the John Gardner Bond books?  I read and enjoyed his first three back when I was a dumbass teenager, so they may have been more puerile than I recall.

No, they were very good. Have them all in hardcover - only book series I ever made sure to be in the bookstores for release day

Did Bond have a H&K VP70 loaded with glasers as a dashboard backup,in one of those novels?
because i can remember that story from,like 25 years...

Sounds familiar. Think he also drove a Saab 9000 (a pretty hot car at the time)


Yeah, I think that was the first one: "Licence Renewed". That was the first time I remember hearing about Glasers. The only other things I really remember about it are a race with the Saab where the car catches on fire but he's got an automated fire extinguisher system and an attempt to kill him during what was supposed to be an exercise.
 
2013-07-13 09:59:15 PM

Mugato: No, not a lot of of them have. I know none of the Brosnan ones were. They all tend to follow whatever trend is going on at the time. Right now it's the Jason Bourne gritty realistic low tech thing (I know Casino Royale was a Fleming novel).


I hear Bourne complaint all the time from super fans. My reason why these are summed up with the fact that the last Brosnan one had a car with a cloaking devise, like the f*cking Klingons. The Craigs are better.
 
2013-07-13 10:13:53 PM
I am looking forward to this. Golden Gun is my favorite Bond movie.

But I will be pissed if there's no Christopher Lee cameo.
 
2013-07-13 10:15:15 PM
Farking awful book. Dammit.
 
2013-07-13 10:16:51 PM
Fine but who will play the villain?  This casting is important.
 
2013-07-13 10:18:11 PM

WTF Indeed: My reason why these are summed up with the fact that the last Brosnan one had a car with a cloaking devise, like the f*cking Klingons. The Craigs are better.


Brosnan is my favorite Bond but Die Another Day was farking stupid, not the least of which because of that farking invisible car.

/Madonna didn't help
 
2013-07-13 10:18:45 PM
how about finishing up the story from the first 2 movies?
 
2013-07-13 10:52:25 PM
QoS is the best Craig film. I can't stand Skyfall, the plot is just genuinely stupid. The villain (what is his name?) has such diverging motives and is either trying to kill M or capture her, it isn't really clear other than he has issues.  The Michael Bay's Home Alone ending wasn't exactly great either. Too many self referencing indulgences that make the story worse , Bond has a lock up with a classic MI6 car but doesn't have guns.

QoS at least has a bad guy with a simple plot that for the most part makes sense.
 
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