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(NBC News)   Russia: Snowden was lying about requesting asylum from us and we agree with everything that the NSA was doing. It's just that we like to troll the US to cover up our own abuses   (worldnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 88
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2013-07-13 04:16:16 PM
Russia is weighing its options

Looks like it.

Snowden requests asylum, is told he has to shut up if he stays, rescinds asylum request and then tries again requesting temporary asylum until he can catch a flight to SA only now the Russians are saying he's not going through the correct channels or applying formally or some such bullshiat.

Seems like Pootie is having his lulz here using Snowden as a propaganda piece but has no long term plans for him.

Putin said last month that the surveillance methods he revealed were largely justified if applied lawfully.

Pretty much guaranteeing the Putin is doing the same to his own people if not worse.
 
2013-07-13 05:22:25 PM
On July 1, Putin said he would "never" hand Snowden over to the U.S.
On July 2, this happened live on Russian TV.
The Russians now say it was because "a part was installed upside down" which is code for "our guidance signals got hacked."
 
2013-07-13 06:04:50 PM
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2013-07-13 07:21:32 PM
The REAL Future: None of the flying cars, Mars Colonies, or warp drive you were falsely promised in grade school, but all of the universal surveillance, destructive environment, robot killer drones, and the corporation-as-the state that nearly every 70's-era Science Fiction movie tried to warn you about.
 
2013-07-13 07:25:20 PM
How is that world citizen passport working out for you traitor?

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/que the Snowden apologists
//he would sleep with you if he...could...just....leave.
 
2013-07-13 07:33:04 PM
The NSA is currently watching me watch Newegg videos. It's just like 1984.
 
2013-07-13 07:41:59 PM

ObamaTheOmnipotent: How is that world citizen passport working out for you traitor?

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/que the Snowden apologists
//he would sleep with you if he...could...just....leave.


Nationalism is just high school spirit for adults.  Absolutely meaningless in this day and age.  The dinosaurs who are currently in charge see their power slipping away are desperately clinging to the models of old anyway they can.
 
2013-07-13 07:42:49 PM
Russia: Snowden was lying about requesting asylum from us and we agree with everything that the NSA was doing. It's just that we like to troll the US to cover up our own abuses

Whoa! They said that?
 
2013-07-13 07:49:44 PM
Given the Soviet-style surveillance he uncovered at home, it's only appropriate the Snowden would become a pawn in Cold War: Part 2.
 
2013-07-13 07:55:16 PM
Successful troll is successful. Celebrates with vodak.
 
2013-07-13 07:59:17 PM

MrEricSir: Given the Soviet-style surveillance he uncovered at home, it's only appropriate the Snowden would become a pawn in Cold War: Part 2.


I would figure the FSB would be VERY interested in Snowden's technical knowledge, if only to do the exact same thing to the Russian people what we were doing here.

I'd be careful getting on those wi-fi hot spots in the airport if I were him
 
2013-07-13 08:01:04 PM
Snowden will be used as a political football anywhere he ends up.
 
2013-07-13 08:01:40 PM
Aaaaand not surprised.

/Goddamnit. When the hell did whistleblowing become evil?
 
2013-07-13 08:07:26 PM

PsiChick: Aaaaand not surprised.

/Goddamnit. When the hell did whistleblowing become evil?


When it makes the fascist Obama look bad.
 
2013-07-13 08:07:40 PM

PsiChick: Aaaaand not surprised.

/Goddamnit. When the hell did whistleblowing become evil?


Given that he's now actively threatening the US, he's given up on the "whistleblower" schtick and is going full spy.  Which it sounds like he was even before he got employed by the geniuses who gave him a clearance.
 
2013-07-13 08:15:18 PM

Smeggy Smurf: PsiChick: Aaaaand not surprised.

/Goddamnit. When the hell did whistleblowing become evil?

When it makes the fascist Obama look bad.


lol
 
2013-07-13 08:21:55 PM

mtbhucker: ObamaTheOmnipotent: How is that world citizen passport working out for you traitor?

[img.gawkerassets.com image 850x478]

/que the Snowden apologists
//he would sleep with you if he...could...just....leave.

Nationalism is just high school spirit for adults.  Absolutely meaningless in this day and age.  The dinosaurs who are currently in charge see their power slipping away are desperately clinging to the models of old anyway they can.


I hold a bit of that cynical view and this whole affair is a mess whichever way you look at it.
It still does not absolve Snowden though.
 
2013-07-13 08:24:09 PM
Putin will do whatever the hell he goddam pleases.

If possible it will involve things not working out for you and him taking great pleasure in causing that.
 
2013-07-13 08:27:33 PM

JohnAnnArbor: PsiChick: Aaaaand not surprised.

/Goddamnit. When the hell did whistleblowing become evil?

Given that he's now actively threatening the US, he's given up on the "whistleblower" schtick and is going full spy.  Which it sounds like he was even before he got employed by the geniuses who gave him a clearance.


Well, given that it's Glen Greenwald who said it, not Snowden himself, I think Greenwald is the problem.
 
2013-07-13 08:33:17 PM

JohnAnnArbor: PsiChick: Aaaaand not surprised.

/Goddamnit. When the hell did whistleblowing become evil?

Given that he's now actively threatening the US, he's given up on the "whistleblower" schtick and is going full spy.  Which it sounds like he was even before he got employed by the geniuses who gave him a clearance.


I don't see the threat in that article. If he was as big a threat as you say he is, he'd have already been snatched up.

It's not that Snowden is evil, he is a criminal in the sense he broke the law. It's great that he re-revealed a program to us all again, but in terms of the program and what it does, it is legal.

I guess that's the scary part. :|
 
2013-07-13 08:42:30 PM
Putin play both sides against other. Is like chess game, but with nations. Like Risk, but with even less powerful Ukraine
 
2013-07-13 08:43:27 PM
more and more countries should tell the USA to
STFU and GBTW
 
2013-07-13 08:46:08 PM
one of the taking heads on TV was asking the question, If an FSB agent showed up at JFK with a laptop full of secret files how long would it take the CIA to debrief him?"
 
2013-07-13 08:58:27 PM

zerkalo: Putin play both sides against other. Is like chess game, but with nations. Like Risk, but with even less powerful Ukraine


If that is the case than Snowden needs to get to Australia as quickly as possible. That way he only needs to worry about the CIA coming through Indonesia.
 
2013-07-13 09:03:40 PM

JonBuck: JohnAnnArbor: PsiChick: Aaaaand not surprised.

/Goddamnit. When the hell did whistleblowing become evil?

Given that he's now actively threatening the US, he's given up on the "whistleblower" schtick and is going full spy.  Which it sounds like he was even before he got employed by the geniuses who gave him a clearance.

Well, given that it's Glen Greenwald who said it, not Snowden himself, I think Greenwald is the problem.


the last interview i heard with him sure sounded like that. greenwald seems to be using snowden for his own ends at this point.
 
2013-07-13 09:16:57 PM

Curious: the last interview i heard with him sure sounded like that. greenwald seems to be using snowden for his own ends at this point.


You, and everyone who thinks like you, fail. It is amazing how many weak minded people there are around. You are the problem, not Snowden and certainly not Greenwald.

I can't write it better than Greenwald does, so I will just cut and paste from there. He talks about the "dead man switch" there and it is worth a read.

The oft-repeated claim that Snowden's intent is to harm the US is completely negated by the reality that he has all sorts of documents that could quickly and seriously harm the US if disclosed, yet he has published none of those. When he gave us the documents he provided, he repeatedly insisted that we exercise rigorous journalistic judgment in deciding which documents should be published in the public interest and which ones should be concealed on the ground that the harm of publication outweighs the public value. If his intent were to harm the US, he could have sold all the documents he had for a great deal of money, or indiscriminately published them, or passed them to a foreign adversary. He did none of that..
 
2013-07-13 09:37:07 PM

Triumph: On July 1, Putin said he would "never" hand Snowden over to the U.S.
On July 2, this happened live on Russian TV.


Yeah, I wondered about that too. It wouldn't be the first time that the U.S. spy agencies made something go boom in Russia.
 
2013-07-13 09:44:15 PM
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
Preamble

Outlines a general philosophy of government that justifies revolution when government harms natural rights.[76]
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
 
2013-07-13 09:48:10 PM
Living in Hawaii ... making 6 figures ... stripper girlfriend ... what a crappy life.
 
2013-07-13 09:54:41 PM

JohnAnnArbor: PsiChick: Aaaaand not surprised.

/Goddamnit. When the hell did whistleblowing become evil?

Given that he's now actively threatening the US, he's given up on the "whistleblower" schtick and is going full spy.  Which it sounds like he was even before he got employed by the geniuses who gave him a clearance.


Uh, that's not Snowden threatening the US. That's a reporter making claims. At what point was Snowden  ever a spy?
 
2013-07-13 10:03:14 PM

BalugaJoe: Living in Hawaii ... making 6 figures ... stripper girlfriend ... what a crappy life.


So vote blue pill, amirite?
mikezentz.com
 
2013-07-13 10:07:42 PM

HempHead: When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
Preamble

Outlines a general philosophy of government that justifies revolution when government harms natural rights.[76]
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


It's also totally reasonable to shiatcan the whole system because you learned one uncomfortable truth about your country.
 
2013-07-13 10:19:47 PM

HempHead: When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
Preamble

Outlines a general philosophy of government that justifies revolution when government harms natural rights.[76]
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.



You're skipping the part where colonists spent 13 years attempting to obtain representation in the House of Commons.  The Revolt was a necessity because, after more than a decade, every political avenue had been exhausted despite the great concerted effort that was made to obtain a single objective.
 
2013-07-13 10:23:57 PM

PsiChick: At what point was Snowden ever a spy?


Never. He was a low level contractor who saw a PowerPoint presentation.

He's not a traitor, or hero, just a criminal running from the U.S. Government.

And an attention whore.
 
2013-07-13 10:29:20 PM

Without Fail: PsiChick: At what point was Snowden ever a spy?

Never. He was a low level contractor who saw a PowerPoint presentation.

He's not a traitor, or hero, just a criminal running from the U.S. Government.

And an attention whore.


.. who exposed massive spying by the US Government on its citizens.
 
2013-07-13 10:36:20 PM

Without Fail: PsiChick: At what point was Snowden ever a spy?

Never. He was a low level contractor who saw a PowerPoint presentation.

He's not a traitor, or hero, just a criminal running from the U.S. Government.

And an attention whore.


Yeah, whistleblowing on activity that only passes the letter of the law and certainly not the spirit is just attention whoring.
 
2013-07-13 10:48:25 PM

AeAe: .. who exposed massive spying by the US Government on its citizens.


It was in USA Today in 2006.

PsiChick: Yeah, whistleblowing on activity that only passes the letter of the law and certainly not the spirit is just attention whoring.


See above.

Vive la révolution!  Have fun storming the castle!
 
2013-07-13 10:53:50 PM
Did someone think that a former ranking agent of the KGB was somehow NOT spying on his own citizens every single chance he got?
 
2013-07-13 10:58:18 PM

Without Fail: AeAe: .. who exposed massive spying by the US Government on its citizens.

It was in USA Today in 2006.

PsiChick: Yeah, whistleblowing on activity that only passes the letter of the law and certainly not the spirit is just attention whoring.

See above.

Vive la révolution!  Have fun storming the castle!


Its increased in scope since 06.

Did you read the article about the NSA involvement with Microsoft? We sure as hell did not know the extent of prism.
 
2013-07-13 10:58:50 PM

Without Fail: AeAe: .. who exposed massive spying by the US Government on its citizens.

It was in USA Today in 2006.

PsiChick: Yeah, whistleblowing on activity that only passes the letter of the law and certainly not the spirit is just attention whoring.

See above.

Vive la révolution!  Have fun storming the castle!


Because clearly the world falls into 'everything's A-okay' and 'KILL EVERYBODY TIME!!!1'. Clearly. There are no justice abuses that can, or should be,  sensibly prosecuted, and bringing something important to light a second time when the mood of the country was less psychotically 'patriotic' is just never a good idea.
 
2013-07-13 11:20:07 PM
I do think we can all agree that "Sheremetyevo Airport" has too many syllables.
 
2013-07-13 11:32:44 PM

MrSplifferton: Did you read the article about the NSA involvement with Microsoft? We sure as hell did not know the extent of prism.


I did. Rather, I assumed they would be thorough.
What the NSA is doing is reasonable considering the problems they face.

YES, the power could be misused by our government. This needs to be carefully monitored.

BUT, that same government has the power to wipe the human race from existence (with biological or nuclear weapons). Why aren't you worried about that?

AND, other groups, who have already killed thousands of Americans, also have access to the same technology.

PsiChick: Because clearly the world falls into 'everything's A-okay' and 'KILL EVERYBODY TIME!!!1'.


I'm mocking your concern. If you really feel outraged about it DO SOMETHING! Go into government, donate money, protest visibly.
Posting on a humor website (named for the F-Word) isn't activism.

I have friends in the NSA, and they are far more dedicated to the freedom of this country than you are.
 
2013-07-13 11:34:37 PM

PsiChick: Without Fail: AeAe: .. who exposed massive spying by the US Government on its citizens.

It was in USA Today in 2006.

PsiChick: Yeah, whistleblowing on activity that only passes the letter of the law and certainly not the spirit is just attention whoring.

See above.

Vive la révolution!  Have fun storming the castle!

Because clearly the world falls into 'everything's A-okay' and 'KILL EVERYBODY TIME!!!1'. Clearly. There are no justice abuses that can, or should be,  sensibly prosecuted, and bringing something important to light a second time when the mood of the country was less psychotically 'patriotic' is just never a good idea.


No no, there's only all or nothing. It's just like attempting to explain and understand something equals approving and endorsing it wholeheartedly. Just like saying "Maybe we all should be more cautious about putting our entire lives on display for the whole world and not expect the government to close their eyes," somehow translates into "I think the NSA did nothing wrong."

Everything has to be one or the other. Nothing can possibly exist as a shade of gray.
 
2013-07-13 11:40:27 PM

Without Fail: I have friends in the NSA, and they are far more dedicated to the freedom of this country than you are.


Don't you understand, citizen, we had to destroy your freedom in order to save it.
 
2013-07-13 11:45:14 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Don't you understand, citizen, we had to destroy your freedom in order to save it.


Riiight.
 
2013-07-13 11:48:23 PM

Without Fail: MrSplifferton: Did you read the article about the NSA involvement with Microsoft? We sure as hell did not know the extent of prism.

I did. Rather, I assumed they would be thorough.
What the NSA is doing is reasonable considering the problems they face.

YES, the power could be misused by our government. This needs to be carefully monitored.

BUT, that same government has the power to wipe the human race from existence (with biological or nuclear weapons). Why aren't you worried about that?

AND, other groups, who have already killed thousands of Americans, also have access to the same technology.

PsiChick: Because clearly the world falls into 'everything's A-okay' and 'KILL EVERYBODY TIME!!!1'.

I'm mocking your concern. If you really feel outraged about it DO SOMETHING! Go into government, donate money, protest visibly.
Posting on a humor website (named for the F-Word) isn't activism.

I have friends in the NSA, and they are far more dedicated to the freedom of this country than you are.


Clearly, posting on Fark means I don't do  anything to deal with this problem. After all, if I'm not actively ramming every petition I've signed down your throats, I'm just less dedicated than the NSA!

/And FYI...Mommy's not watching you post. You can type 'f*ck'.
 
2013-07-14 12:02:04 AM

AeAe: Without Fail: PsiChick: At what point was Snowden ever a spy?

Never. He was a low level contractor who saw a PowerPoint presentation.

He's not a traitor, or hero, just a criminal running from the U.S. Government.

And an attention whore.

.. who RE- exposed massive spying by the US Government on its citizens.


Fixed that for you. None of this is new information. Time travel back to 2006.
 
2013-07-14 12:02:58 AM

PsiChick: And FYI...Mommy's not watching you post. You can type 'f*ck'.


It gets caught by the filter. And Mommy swore like a sailor.

I'm guessing that you identify as a liberal (I do).
Soon a WMD will be used on American (or Israeli) soil. This isn't an if, it's a when.

What would you do to prevent this?
 
2013-07-14 12:02:58 AM

Without Fail: MrSplifferton: Did you read the article about the NSA involvement with Microsoft? We sure as hell did not know the extent of prism.

I did. Rather, I assumed they would be thorough.
What the NSA is doing is reasonable considering the problems they face.

YES, the power could be misused by our government. This needs to be carefully monitored.

BUT, that same government has the power to wipe the human race from existence (with biological or nuclear weapons). Why aren't you worried about that?

AND, other groups, who have already killed thousands of Americans, also have access to the same technology.

PsiChick: Because clearly the world falls into 'everything's A-okay' and 'KILL EVERYBODY TIME!!!1'.

I'm mocking your concern. If you really feel outraged about it DO SOMETHING! Go into government, donate money, protest visibly.
Posting on a humor website (named for the F-Word) isn't activism.

I have friends in the NSA, and they are far more dedicated to the freedom of this country than you are.


There is nothing reasonable about collecting my personal communications.

How can you even claim it is remotely reasonable for the NSA to have access to my personal email unencrypted? How is it reasonable for them to access my Skype chat and record both video and voice?

By your logic we should just get rid of the our expectation to the right to privacy. That's quite a patriotic sentiment...
 
2013-07-14 12:09:26 AM

MrSplifferton: By your logic we should just get rid of the our expectation to the right to privacy. That's quite a patriotic sentiment...


Not at all. I'm a realist who loves my country.

By my logic the government should do everything it can, inside the law, to defend it's citizens.

I have given a great deal of thought to the problem and I believe that the NSA is honoring the spirit of the Fourth Amendment as much as required by law.

If you think that they are going too far, change the law. Dedicate your life to public service and git er done.
 
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