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(WGAL 8)   Two black teens chase down car driven by an elderly man and take a five-year-old white girl, but the police do nothing   (wgal.com) divider line 116
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2013-07-13 05:55:23 PM  

SarcasticFark: Bathia_Mapes: Ral: And what is a 5-year-old doing playing outside unsupervised?

I'm sorry, but why shouldn't she be able to play in her own front yard unsupervised?

I do agree with you that this isn't the first time this major creep has done this to a child.

Listen, you can live your life in hopes that everything will always be as it SHOULD be...or you can protect your child and understand that there are real farking monsters out there that will do unspeakable things to said child given half a chance.


Statistically? No there aren't. I'll no more "protect" my daughter from the horrors of the big blue room because of the remote possibility of a rape clown stealing her than I make her stay inside lest she get struck by lightning. I do a realistic risk/benefit analysis, and act accordingly. My daughter is far more likely to be molested by a family member than a stranger, but I don't keep her locked in her room when Grama and Grampa come to visit.
 
2013-07-13 05:57:15 PM  

jdmac: Mr.Man: What the heck does the skin color of these people have anything to do with this story.
A little Saturday fark race baiting I guess. I thought Drew was better than that.

I think will the wall to wall coverage any racially based conflict gets, it is nice to see articles now and then were people from different races are helping each other. It does kind of go against those who want to make America seem like the Antebellum South, but not every interaction between people of different skin tones is a negative thing and I think we need more news stories about stuff like this which show that whites and blacks do not instinctively hate each other.


Agreed. Lord knows the Fark Independent brigade (and its counterparts in real life) try hard to get us to "accept reality" about race every time an incident happens (a recent game of guess-the-color-that's-rioting-at-the-mall comes to mind).

The only way comments like that are okay, but pointing out the race here isn't, is if you really just want us to understand that black people are naturally prone to crime. Which makes you, well, retarded.
 
2013-07-13 06:00:09 PM  
Never take candy from strangers!

/ Accept real estate.

// No I didn't make it up though I wish I had. Two very funny gay stand-up comedians from ages ago. Wish I knew their names so I could kudo them.
 
2013-07-13 06:03:54 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: he walks with a limp

What the suspect may look like:

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DAMMIT came here to post this. Well played.
 
2013-07-13 06:08:46 PM  
 
2013-07-13 06:10:51 PM  

jdmac: catmandu: Since this happened on Thursday and has been making the rounds of news sites I am guessing subby has seen several photos and videos of Tamar who is black. The other boy has not been named and no photos of him have been shown (parents said "no"?).

The cool thing about these boys is that they heard about the Amber Alert and took off on their bicycles to help look for the little girl instead of staying in the house playing video games or whatever. Good citizens of their community.

I am just glad nothing happened. If the Martin trial has taught us anything, it is that if some one is following you, punching them in the face is a reasonable response. Those kids should be careful playing cop.


Damn straight defending yourself from an armed stalker is a reasonable response.
 
2013-07-13 06:11:25 PM  

TopoGigo: SarcasticFark: Bathia_Mapes: Ral: And what is a 5-year-old doing playing outside unsupervised?

I'm sorry, but why shouldn't she be able to play in her own front yard unsupervised?

I do agree with you that this isn't the first time this major creep has done this to a child.

Listen, you can live your life in hopes that everything will always be as it SHOULD be...or you can protect your child and understand that there are real farking monsters out there that will do unspeakable things to said child given half a chance.

Statistically? No there aren't. I'll no more "protect" my daughter from the horrors of the big blue room because of the remote possibility of a rape clown stealing her than I make her stay inside lest she get struck by lightning. I do a realistic risk/benefit analysis, and act accordingly. My daughter is far more likely to be molested by a family member than a stranger, but I don't keep her locked in her room when Grama and Grampa come to visit.


Obviously you can't wrap them in bubble wrap and protect them from everything.  However, you're living in a farkin dream world if you think that you don't walk past at least one sexual deviant every damn day of your life.  I work with these animals and I know exactly how much of a chance you're taking leaving your 5 year old alone playing in the neighborhood.

If you want to get into statistics, think about this: the reason why children are more likely to be sexually abused by a family member is simply due to ease of access.  Sex offenders are broken, opportunistic animals.  End of story.
 
2013-07-13 06:13:49 PM  
A mate of mine who's a cop said that one of the things they look for is the willingness to act. These kids did a stupid thing - they tracked a potentially armed and dangerous person and confronted him. And they probably saved that girls life.

I hope someone asked them if they've ever considered a career in law enforcement.
 
2013-07-13 06:14:45 PM  

dv-ous: Mr.Man: What the heck does the skin color of these people have anything to do with this story.
A little Saturday fark race baiting I guess. I thought Drew was better than that.

It's nice when (relatively) happy stories prompt us to rethink stereotypes?


Unfortunately Tammy and Biff Suburbia will still believe what they want to believe, that all young black males are thugs and gangstas, and that they should be afraid of these people at all times under any circumstances for ever and ever amen.
They will never understand that people are people, no matter what their outer covering looks like.

/people are people
//so why should it be
///that you and I should get along so awfully
 
2013-07-13 06:23:49 PM  
The Daily Mail has a much better write-up of the situation, which links to subby's article.
 
2013-07-13 06:24:19 PM  
They should have listened to the 911 dispatcher and not followed the guy. He could have stopped the car and beat those kids to death.
 
2013-07-13 06:25:02 PM  

jdmac: I am just glad nothing happened. If the Martin trial has taught us anything, it is that if some one is following you, punching them in the face is a reasonable response. Those kids should be careful playing cop.


Damn. Beat me to it.
 
2013-07-13 06:25:41 PM  
oapedia.com

/ Suuuuuuurrree.....
 
2013-07-13 06:25:43 PM  

BokerBill: Somehow I missed the descriptor "black" with respect to the two teenagers. Is that in another article? Did subby make it up?


the teens name was temar.  only black people pick names using a dart board.
 
2013-07-13 06:36:14 PM  
red and white striped shirt

3.bp.blogspot.com

/knew there was something he was hiding.
 
2013-07-13 06:38:09 PM  
See if it were me I would just look the other way.   Being a male, the first thing that's going to happen if I show up to return the 5 year old girl is be accused of kidnapping her myself.  And that's assuming the girl doesn't make up a false rape claim.
 
2013-07-13 06:42:08 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Ral: And what is a 5-year-old doing playing outside unsupervised?

I'm sorry, but why shouldn't she be able to play in her own front yard unsupervised?

I do agree with you that this isn't the first time this major creep has done this to a child.


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If you live in a gated community with armed private police or security, then MAYBE it's safe to let your 5-year old snowflake play alone.

But just living in any general city, regardless of how low the crime rate is, there's no way in hell I would call it safe to let any 5-year old child, no matter how aware the kid is of strangers, to play unspervised in a front yard.

Seriously, there's way to many people out there who would gladly take an unguarded child for some sick reason.

Educate your kids on stranger danger, people! It could save their life one day.
 
2013-07-13 06:43:12 PM  
Subby, you rock. The headline was so wacky, I had to RTFA.
 
2013-07-13 06:43:15 PM  
I can't think of anything more evil than an elderly man luring a 5 year old girl into his car for nefarious purposes.
 
2013-07-13 06:44:17 PM  
And on a related note:  I hope the people of that town team up and do something awesome for those boys.  They saved that girl with no expectation of reward...but they damn well SHOULD be rewarded somehow.
 
2013-07-13 06:48:54 PM  

catmandu: The cool thing about these boys is that they heard about the Amber Alert and took off on their bicycles to help look for the little girl


That is pretty bad-ass.
 
2013-07-13 06:48:56 PM  

SarcasticFark: And on a related note:  I hope the people of that town team up and do something awesome for those boys.  They saved that girl with no expectation of reward...but they damn well SHOULD be rewarded somehow.


Some nice personalized hoodies? And Skittles?

J/k.  Those kids do deserve a reward, though.
 
2013-07-13 06:56:14 PM  
Based on the video I just watched and the article currently at the link, it's impossible to determine the race of the teenage boys, so F U subtard.
 
2013-07-13 06:58:07 PM  

calbert: BokerBill: Somehow I missed the descriptor "black" with respect to the two teenagers. Is that in another article? Did subby make it up?

and I have my suspicions that "Joceyln Rojas" isn't the name of a white girl.
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Hispanic people can be black or white.
 
2013-07-13 06:59:40 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Ral: And what is a 5-year-old doing playing outside unsupervised?

I'm sorry, but why shouldn't she be able to play in her own front yard unsupervised?

I do agree with you that this isn't the first time this major creep has done this to a child.


Yes, you should.  5 year olds have played outside unsupervised since forever.

This idea that children need to be supervised at all times does little to nothing to stop kidnappings or harm, but does significant damage to their development as individual human beings.
 
2013-07-13 07:00:44 PM  

pedrop357: Bathia_Mapes: Ral: And what is a 5-year-old doing playing outside unsupervised?

I'm sorry, but why shouldn't she be able to play in her own front yard unsupervised?

I do agree with you that this isn't the first time this major creep has done this to a child.

Yes, you should.  5 year olds have played outside unsupervised since forever.

This idea that children need to be supervised at all times does little to nothing to stop kidnappings or harm, but does significant damage to their development as individual human beings.


Phrased that badly.  I'll try again:
Yes, 5 year olds should be able to play outside unsupervised as they have since forever.
 
2013-07-13 07:05:57 PM  

super hardon collider: BokerBill: Somehow I missed the descriptor "black" with respect to the two teenagers. Is that in another article? Did subby make it up?

the teens name was temar.  only black people pick names using a dart board.


I wonder what white people use to choose names like Tag or Track or Trig. Kind of farked up naming a child after an area of study that he'll never be capable of comprehending.
 
2013-07-13 07:10:05 PM  
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-13 07:12:58 PM  
Not trolled, just wondering.  I've been looking for an opportunity to comment on farked up white people names.
 
2013-07-13 07:14:22 PM  
In my opinion, the person who kidnapped the girl was black and the teens who rescued her were white. And if anybody provides any "evidence" to the contrary, then they are Jewish.
 
2013-07-13 07:14:59 PM  

pedrop357: pedrop357: Bathia_Mapes: Ral: And what is a 5-year-old doing playing outside unsupervised?

I'm sorry, but why shouldn't she be able to play in her own front yard unsupervised?

I do agree with you that this isn't the first time this major creep has done this to a child.

Yes, you should.  5 year olds have played outside unsupervised since forever.

This idea that children need to be supervised at all times does little to nothing to stop kidnappings or harm, but does significant damage to their development as individual human beings.

Phrased that badly.  I'll try again:
Yes, 5 year olds should be able to play outside unsupervised as they have since forever.


Also, fark people whose first reaction is to blame the victim/family anytime something bad happens.
 
2013-07-13 07:16:47 PM  

SarcasticFark: Bathia_Mapes: Ral: And what is a 5-year-old doing playing outside unsupervised?

I'm sorry, but why shouldn't she be able to play in her own front yard unsupervised?

I do agree with you that this isn't the first time this major creep has done this to a child.

Listen, you can live your life in hopes that everything will always be as it SHOULD be...or you can protect your child and understand that there are real farking monsters out there that will do unspeakable things to said child given half a chance.


My mother let me play outside unsupervised since I was 5 years old. I had tons of fun climbing trees, playing with my friends, racing my tricycle and collecting things like acorns and flowers.

But of course my mother was not stupid. She let me play outside on these conditions:

1) That I not stray too far away. I could only play within sight of my house. Once when I was 6 I followed some friends to a playground several blocks away, and when Mom found out she wouldn't let me outside for a few weeks. Of course when I got older the rules changed where I was allowed to wander as long as it was still within the neighborhood.

2) That I NEVER go into anyone's house/car/property, even if I knew the people who owned them. I got invited to friends houses all the time, but Mom was adamant that I never go into peoples homes unless she or dad was with me.

3) That I NEVER talk to strangers (Duh!) If a stranger (man or woman) tried to talk to me, I was told to run back home. If an adult or older child friend of the family tried to talk to me, I was instructed to go home and let mom or dad deal with them.

5) That I stay away from the streets and cars. Firstly to keep me from being run over, secondly to keep any perv from snatching me away easily.

4) That I always come home before sundown.

These conditions were reasonable and strictly enforced so that I was still able to have a happy and healthy childhood without having overprotective parents. Mom didn't sugar-coat it. She made me fully aware that bad people were out there that could hurt me, and made sure I knew what to do if anything bad happened (thankfully, it never did).

Kids understand things a lot better than some adults give them credit for.  Also, if your kids do not listen to you or obey the rules that you have laid down for them, then you farking suck as a parent.
 
2013-07-13 07:17:58 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Ral: And what is a 5-year-old doing playing outside unsupervised?

I'm sorry, but why shouldn't she be able to play in her own front yard unsupervised?


Really?  This kid just got abducted from her front yard and you ask that question? Amazing.
 
2013-07-13 07:23:02 PM  
Nice job guys, and nice job subby.
 
2013-07-13 07:34:25 PM  

PacManDreaming: FTA: "He was wearing green shoes and green pants with a red and white striped shirt."


Aha, cleverly disguising himself as a pizza shop or italian-water-ice stand.
 
2013-07-13 07:37:56 PM  

ng2810: SarcasticFark: Bathia_Mapes: Ral: And what is a 5-year-old doing playing outside unsupervised?

I'm sorry, but why shouldn't she be able to play in her own front yard unsupervised?

I do agree with you that this isn't the first time this major creep has done this to a child.

Listen, you can live your life in hopes that everything will always be as it SHOULD be...or you can protect your child and understand that there are real farking monsters out there that will do unspeakable things to said child given half a chance.

My mother let me play outside unsupervised since I was 5 years old. I had tons of fun climbing trees, playing with my friends, racing my tricycle and collecting things like acorns and flowers.

But of course my mother was not stupid. She let me play outside on these conditions:

1) That I not stray too far away. I could only play within sight of my house. Once when I was 6 I followed some friends to a playground several blocks away, and when Mom found out she wouldn't let me outside for a few weeks. Of course when I got older the rules changed where I was allowed to wander as long as it was still within the neighborhood.

2) That I NEVER go into anyone's house/car/property, even if I knew the people who owned them. I got invited to friends houses all the time, but Mom was adamant that I never go into peoples homes unless she or dad was with me.

3) That I NEVER talk to strangers (Duh!) If a stranger (man or woman) tried to talk to me, I was told to run back home. If an adult or older child friend of the family tried to talk to me, I was instructed to go home and let mom or dad deal with them.

5) That I stay away from the streets and cars. Firstly to keep me from being run over, secondly to keep any perv from snatching me away easily.

4) That I always come home before sundown.

These conditions were reasonable and strictly enforced so that I was still able to have a happy and healthy childhood without having overprotective parents. Mom didn't sugar- ...


And your point is...?

I'm sorry, but I'm likely far older than you and grew up with the typical instruction to "come home when the streetlights come on" and even I realize that we're living in a completely different world now than when I was a child.

If you can go to one of those sex offender locator websites and not have a 5-mile radius light up like a Xmas tree...more power to you.  Perhaps there are still pockets of these safe areas.  I live in a rural town with a population of less than 10k and there are 8 REAL sex offenders (those who committed sex crimes against children...not the ones who got nailed for underage sex with 17 year olds) within walking distance to my home.  My job puts me in contact with every jailed sex offender in the county and when they start being real about their 'urges' and the extent they go through to not get caught...if you heard what I hear on a daily basis from these people, you would think twice about even having children.

But...it'll never happen to your child.  Until it does.

Again, don't wrap your kids in bubblewrap but don't lull yourself into a false sense of security either.  NO ONE is immune from this shiat.
 
2013-07-13 07:46:55 PM  
Two black teens attempt to rob elderly driver for cash, get a white girl instead
 
2013-07-13 07:52:58 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Darth_Lukecash: Good for the boys. Hopefully nothing bad had happened to the girl.

Going by what was said in the video she was taken to a hospital & examined & evidence was taken. Sadly it sounds as though the creep who kidnapped her also molested her.

And the boys are indeed heroes.


This.
They should get the free ice cream.
 
2013-07-13 08:00:57 PM  

SarcasticFark: Bathia_Mapes: Ral: And what is a 5-year-old doing playing outside unsupervised?

I'm sorry, but why shouldn't she be able to play in her own front yard unsupervised?

I do agree with you that this isn't the first time this major creep has done this to a child.

Listen, you can live your life in hopes that everything will always be as it SHOULD be...or you can protect your child and understand that there are real farking monsters out there that will do unspeakable things to said child given half a chance.


OR you can realize that no matter what the media tell you 99.9999% of the world does NOT want to diddle your precious snowflake and live like a sane person and let your kid be a kid.

I know it's crazy, but...
 
2013-07-13 08:10:04 PM  

softshoes: Ral: And what is a 5-year-old doing playing outside unsupervised?

Another thought: the suspect is old enough that this is not likely to be the first time he's done something like this.  He may never have been caught, and has finally gotten careless.

As someone who played in his front yard through the late 50's into the mid 60's until I got lured into a car for free LSD this makes me very sad.  I know there were perv's back then too, I'm thankful they missed my street.


I'm also glad they missed your family as most children are molested by a relative.

I wasn't so lucky. I hope they fry the old bastard.
 
2013-07-13 08:18:29 PM  

thefatbasturd: SarcasticFark: Bathia_Mapes: Ral: And what is a 5-year-old doing playing outside unsupervised?

I'm sorry, but why shouldn't she be able to play in her own front yard unsupervised?

I do agree with you that this isn't the first time this major creep has done this to a child.

Listen, you can live your life in hopes that everything will always be as it SHOULD be...or you can protect your child and understand that there are real farking monsters out there that will do unspeakable things to said child given half a chance.

OR you can realize that no matter what the media tell you 99.9999% of the world does NOT want to diddle your precious snowflake and live like a sane person and let your kid be a kid.

I know it's crazy, but...


It has nothing to do with the media.  Had you read my other post, you'd see that I do have first hand knowledge of these people.
 
2013-07-13 08:21:55 PM  
TFA: "a man lured the girl into his car by offering to get her ice cream.  Police are checking with ice cream shops in the area"

If they're lucky the guy used an exotic flavor and they can trace the sale. :/
 
2013-07-13 08:28:53 PM  
Good thing they didn't get Zimmermanned. Damn lucky, actually. Well, good for them anyway. Glad to know such young people are out patrolling our streets.  Maybe they could form some kind of group and take truns keeping watch in the neighborhood. A neighborhood watch, if you will.
 
2013-07-13 08:35:39 PM  
calbert

and I have my suspicions that "Joceyln Rojas" isn't the name of a white girl.


And I have only a faint hope that "Joceyln" contains several typos.
 
2013-07-13 08:44:43 PM  
FTFA: "At a news conference Friday morning, investigators said they think a man lured the girl into his car by offering to get her ice cream. Police are checking with ice cream shops in the area."

So, if a perp says I'll give you pancakes they stake out the Ihop's in the area?

/victim: he offered me booze!
/cops: hit the bars boys!

//don't get the logic... good job Lou, I guess
 
2013-07-13 08:53:31 PM  

catmandu: Since this happened on Thursday and has been making the rounds of news sites I am guessing subby has seen several photos and videos of Tamar who is black. The other boy has not been named and no photos of him have been shown (parents said "no"?).

The cool thing about these boys is that they heard about the Amber Alert and took off on their bicycles to help look for the little girl instead of staying in the house playing video games or whatever. Good citizens of their community.


Effin amen! Good on those kids. Damn that's awesome. Sucked that it happened but that's truly hero tag worthy. Especially since maybe the jerk didn't want to give in without a fight. Especially knowing how screwed he'd be if caught
 
2013-07-13 08:56:31 PM  

Misconduc: Heroes for sure, give these boys some Colt 45 and a bucket of KFC.


I was all happy that these kids took initiative to help - and did - and then I f--king read this. I feel sorry for you.
 
2013-07-13 09:08:19 PM  

Ral: And what is a 5-year-old doing playing outside unsupervised?

Another thought: the suspect is old enough that this is not likely to be the first time he's done something like this.  He may never have been caught, and has finally gotten careless.


What most kids should be doing? Playing outdoors.
 
2013-07-13 09:08:29 PM  

Mr.Man: What the heck does the skin color of these people have anything to do with this story.
A little Saturday fark race baiting I guess. I thought Drew was better than that.


It's called trolling Fark's resident racists. Relax.
 
2013-07-13 09:15:53 PM  

strangeluck: Bathia_Mapes: Ral: And what is a 5-year-old doing playing outside unsupervised?

I'm sorry, but why shouldn't she be able to play in her own front yard unsupervised?

I do agree with you that this isn't the first time this major creep has done this to a child.

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If you live in a gated community with armed private police or security, then MAYBE it's safe to let your 5-year old snowflake play alone.

But just living in any general city, regardless of how low the crime rate is, there's no way in hell I would call it safe to let any 5-year old child, no matter how aware the kid is of strangers, to play unspervised in a front yard.

Seriously, there's way to many people out there who would gladly take an unguarded child for some sick reason.

Educate your kids on stranger danger, people! It could save their life one day.


Helicopter parenting always turns put great. Educate them sure - but this is why a community f--king matters. I knew which houses to bolt to if a stranger approached me sketchily - hell there were signs the local PTA gave vetted parents (usually already school volunteers or retired teachers) to put in their window. If you were in trouble or someone else was you could bolt there. At least one on every block iirc.

And the 5 year old kid two doors down gets babysat by his grandma who doesn't like hanging out outside in 90 degree heat. But everyone on the block knows him. And he's one of the coolest 5 yos I've ever met. My friend taught him to play frisbee, he shows off his basketball skillz whenever I come home from work. On the flip side when I was a camp counselor the most immature and unbearable younger kids were those whose parents were goddamn paranoid even though we'd NEVER had an incident and the counselor to kid ratio was far far better than required, and we were never allowed to be alone with a kid (want me to escort you to the latrine at 2 AM? go back and wake up your buddy! )

They'd fret that we didn't sleep a counselor to a tent (counselors in the middle of each tent group). Or that we didn't lock a gate on the access road (ranger and his family and dogs lived at the front and he had hunting guns). Etc.

What really sucked was watching those girls who got better throughout the week and watching their faces fall when their designated pick up parents showed and they lost that bit of freedom.

But your kid.
 
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