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2013-07-13 01:19:24 PM
we can take all the evidence of medical uses for cannabis and stack them high as the moon....none of it matters.  the DEA will *never* agree to make cannabis schedule IV.  they will have to be forced to accept it.  logic, reason, scientific facts, common sense...none of those have convinced the Fed to back off and change the laws.

that's the bad news.  the good news is that we ARE changing things.
 
2013-07-13 01:53:56 PM
I can believe thinner, but I don't believe healthier. As someone who smokes regularly, inhaling any substance through combustion will always be worse than not doing it.

/Now edibles and vapes are a totally different beast
 
2013-07-13 02:39:58 PM
I TOLD you, man.  Now shuddup about my eating habits and pass me those got-damn Cheetos.
 
2013-07-13 02:49:25 PM
That's like, just your opinion, man.
 
2013-07-13 02:51:35 PM

scottydoesntknow: inhaling any substance through combustion will always be worse than not doing it.


Except the alternative isn't "not smoking and living a healthy lifestyle" it is "drinking, hangovers, stomach issues, liver issues, hydration issues (for most people I know anyways), and all the side effects of a higher caloric intake, plus poor sleeping habits".  Is whatever small damage pot usage does to one's lungssomething that will outweigh all that? I doubt it.
 
2013-07-13 02:52:52 PM
I think pot smokers tend to be thinner simply because slender people are more drawn to smoking pot. Marijuana tends to mellow you out and ectomorphs tend to be natually more laid back. Mesomorphs, on the other hand, are more drawn to alcohol, because booze tends to make you more belligerent, and many mesomorphs like a drug that allows them to aggressively act out and also have a rationalization for doing so.
 
2013-07-13 02:53:10 PM
My purely unscientific survey of three pot smokers reveals, in fact, only one out of three is overweight.

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...so there may be something to this.
 
2013-07-13 02:55:21 PM
I was mourning for my big gut, but then I got high.....
 
2013-07-13 02:55:45 PM
I'm prrrrrrrrretty farkin' high right now.  Still not really buying it.
 
2013-07-13 02:57:23 PM

TastyEloi: I think pot smokers tend to be thinner simply because slender people are more drawn to smoking pot. Marijuana tends to mellow you out and ectomorphs tend to be natually more laid back. Mesomorphs, on the other hand, are more drawn to alcohol, because booze tends to make you more belligerent, and many mesomorphs like a drug that allows them to aggressively act out and also have a rationalization for doing so.


Sure, but how do you feel the four humors factor into your pseudo-science? Does my higher level of black bile draw me to drinking instead of smoking a substance? Would a lower level of black bile, being the color of smoke, naturally make one's body accept smoking as it attempted to balance its humors?

I'd better go double check my phrenology manual, as well see what sigmund freud has to say about my dreamstates and oral fixations.
 
2013-07-13 02:58:21 PM

LesserEvil: My purely unscientific survey of three pot smokers reveals, in fact, only one out of three is overweight.

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...so there may be something to this.


That is a clear beer-belly, plus it combines with the frathouse biceps-only workout plan while neglecting the legs. I'm going to have to call foul on your study :P
 
2013-07-13 02:58:30 PM
I think my problem is hedonism, but I don't really have a problem with that.
 
2013-07-13 03:00:37 PM
When I was young and par took in such activities it never made me hungry.  I just wanted some bubble yum or other sweet gum.
 
2013-07-13 03:00:59 PM
John Andrew Boehner drinks until he forgets. It's just my opinion watching the man.

Here's the situation. One man's substance abuse farks millions of the common folks in the country, no harm no foul. Another man's substance is EVIL, so that man is arrested and goes to jail.
 
2013-07-13 03:01:43 PM
We're also more attractive and intelligent.

/takes another bong hit
 
2013-07-13 03:04:30 PM

Delay: John Andrew Boehner drinks until he forgets.


Can you blame him? This isn't a pass for being a douche with bad ideas, I'm just saying if I were in his position I would be hitting the sauce too.

Well, I'm 99% sure if I was rich with a job that barely required my showing up from time to time I'd become a substance abuser pretty damn quick. I mean, the hardest thing he does is get schmoozed by donors, and booze goes great with that.
 
2013-07-13 03:05:38 PM

Smackledorfer: TastyEloi: I think pot smokers tend to be thinner simply because slender people are more drawn to smoking pot. Marijuana tends to mellow you out and ectomorphs tend to be natually more laid back. Mesomorphs, on the other hand, are more drawn to alcohol, because booze tends to make you more belligerent, and many mesomorphs like a drug that allows them to aggressively act out and also have a rationalization for doing so.

Sure, but how do you feel the four humors factor into your pseudo-science? Does my higher level of black bile draw me to drinking instead of smoking a substance? Would a lower level of black bile, being the color of smoke, naturally make one's body accept smoking as it attempted to balance its humors?

I'd better go double check my phrenology manual, as well see what sigmund freud has to say about my dreamstates and oral fixations.



Your point is taken. But I would still argue that a person's appearance, both their build and physical attractiveness, tends to determine how their personality develops. .

Feel free to test it. Walk up to a dozen slender, skinny guys and shout at each of them "I think you're a farking a-hole!" Now do the same thing to a dozen big, muscular guys. Which ones are more likely to immediately go for your throat?
 
2013-07-13 03:06:52 PM
I WISH I could score some weed without going to jail.
 
2013-07-13 03:07:04 PM

Lady Indica: We're also more attractive and intelligent.

/takes another bong hit


Not saying it is caused by marijuana, but I might guess no on the more intelligent end of things.  I know plenty of intelligent stoners, but I also know a shiatload of would-be stoners who don't touch the stuff because of drug testing.  With how many good positions and companies drug test nowadays, it seems reasonable to guess that a large number of the smarter, and thus likely more successful, smokers might get taken out of the pool.

Would that outweigh the fact that in order to be anti-marijuana in this day and age you probably have to be both ignorant and low on the critical thinking skills though?
 
2013-07-13 03:07:12 PM
You get the munchies but are too wasted to get up off the couch to go get them.

It also cures cancer, just look it up
 
2013-07-13 03:07:25 PM
not sure about healthier but Chris is Exhibit A on the thinner aspect

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2013-07-13 03:07:41 PM
paxreport.org
Love mine!!!
 
2013-07-13 03:08:12 PM

scottydoesntknow: I can believe thinner, but I don't believe healthier. As someone who smokes regularly, inhaling any substance through combustion will always be worse than not doing it.

/Now edibles and vapes are a totally different beast


Most pot smokers don't have a pack-a-day habit, so they aren't inhaling nearly as much smoke as regular, heavy tobacco smokers. If you smoked one cigarette a day, for example, it is probably within the ability of your body to repair the damage. Chain smoking, on the other hand, not so much.
 
2013-07-13 03:09:43 PM

TastyEloi: Smackledorfer: TastyEloi: I think pot smokers tend to be thinner simply because slender people are more drawn to smoking pot. Marijuana tends to mellow you out and ectomorphs tend to be natually more laid back. Mesomorphs, on the other hand, are more drawn to alcohol, because booze tends to make you more belligerent, and many mesomorphs like a drug that allows them to aggressively act out and also have a rationalization for doing so.

Sure, but how do you feel the four humors factor into your pseudo-science? Does my higher level of black bile draw me to drinking instead of smoking a substance? Would a lower level of black bile, being the color of smoke, naturally make one's body accept smoking as it attempted to balance its humors?

I'd better go double check my phrenology manual, as well see what sigmund freud has to say about my dreamstates and oral fixations.


Your point is taken. But I would still argue that a person's appearance, both their build and physical attractiveness, tends to determine how their personality develops. .

Feel free to test it. Walk up to a dozen slender, skinny guys and shout at each of them "I think you're a farking a-hole!" Now do the same thing to a dozen big, muscular guys. Which ones are more likely to immediately go for your throat?


I'm going to go ahead and ask you to test your own claims on this one, seeing as you are the one making them.  FWIW, unlike the stereotype of steroid users, the majority of the people who lift freeweights are actually more easy going on stress-resistant as a result.
 
2013-07-13 03:10:41 PM

Mad_Radhu: Most pot smokers don't have a pack-a-day habit


My own experience is the opposite, but are there any studies on this? Obviously I don't know enough potsmokers to use my anecdotes as evidence.
 
2013-07-13 03:12:21 PM

Smackledorfer: LesserEvil: My purely unscientific survey of three pot smokers reveals, in fact, only one out of three is overweight.

[img2u.info image 275x227]

...so there may be something to this.

That is a clear beer-belly, plus it combines with the frathouse biceps-only workout plan while neglecting the legs. I'm going to have to call foul on your study :P


I don't think Fat Freddy was college material.
 
2013-07-13 03:13:07 PM

majestic: I WISH I could score some weed


"Rocky Mountain high ... "
 
2013-07-13 03:15:38 PM
6'3". 200 pounds. Just measured my resting heart rate at 50. Already ate a sandwich. Life is gooooooooood.
 
2013-07-13 03:16:52 PM

Smackledorfer: Mad_Radhu: Most pot smokers don't have a pack-a-day habit

My own experience is the opposite, but are there any studies on this? Obviously I don't know enough potsmokers to use my anecdotes as evidence.


A pack of cigarettes contains approximately an ounce of tobacco.

You knew people who were smoking an ounce of marijuana A DAY?!

Was it Snoop?
 
2013-07-13 03:17:35 PM

Smackledorfer: Delay: John Andrew Boehner drinks until he forgets.

Can you blame him? This isn't a pass for being a douche with bad ideas, I'm just saying if I were in his position I would be hitting the sauce too.

Well, I'm 99% sure if I was rich with a job that barely required my showing up from time to time I'd become a substance abuser pretty damn quick. I mean, the hardest thing he does is get schmoozed by donors, and booze goes great with that.


I agree with you. But, here's my point. His substance abuse of alcohol is expected, but his substance of choice is not designated criminal. On the other hand, some Mom with kids in the Mission district of San Francisco (no schmoozing donors), and equally as stressed out as Boehner, is considered a criminal because her substance of choice is marijuana.
 
2013-07-13 03:19:52 PM
In my experience, the outdoor community is generally pretty accepting of smoking pot, and probably has a much higher rate of use than non-outdoorsy people.  That alone could be enough to cause these results.
 
2013-07-13 03:20:51 PM

Smackledorfer: TastyEloi: Smackledorfer: TastyEloi: I think pot smokers tend to be thinner simply because slender people are more drawn to smoking pot. Marijuana tends to mellow you out and ectomorphs tend to be natually more laid back. Mesomorphs, on the other hand, are more drawn to alcohol, because booze tends to make you more belligerent, and many mesomorphs like a drug that allows them to aggressively act out and also have a rationalization for doing so.

Sure, but how do you feel the four humors factor into your pseudo-science? Does my higher level of black bile draw me to drinking instead of smoking a substance? Would a lower level of black bile, being the color of smoke, naturally make one's body accept smoking as it attempted to balance its humors?

I'd better go double check my phrenology manual, as well see what sigmund freud has to say about my dreamstates and oral fixations.


Your point is taken. But I would still argue that a person's appearance, both their build and physical attractiveness, tends to determine how their personality develops. .

Feel free to test it. Walk up to a dozen slender, skinny guys and shout at each of them "I think you're a farking a-hole!" Now do the same thing to a dozen big, muscular guys. Which ones are more likely to immediately go for your throat?

I'm going to go ahead and ask you to test your own claims on this one, seeing as you are the one making them.  FWIW, unlike the stereotype of steroid users, the majority of the people who lift freeweights are actually more easy going on stress-resistant as a result.



My statement didn't have anything to do with whether someone lifts weights or is a bodybuilder. It has more to do with a person's overall natural build and how being treated by others can shape a person's personality.
 
2013-07-13 03:22:22 PM

TastyEloi: Feel free to test it. Walk up to a dozen slender, skinny guys and shout at each of them "I think you're a farking a-hole!" Now do the same thing to a dozen big, muscular guys. Which ones are more likely to immediately go for your throat?


I have an anecdote that we can substituent for data in this pseudo-scientific discussion.

A large percentage of the infantry Marines who I worked with were slender or "wiry." They tend to be aggressive...

The large muscular folks I have know (Marine and civilian) tend to be more laid back.  I would speculate this is because when you get far enough to one end of the scale, you know your strength, and you know the need to non-violently deescalate situations.  What's more, you have a lot of practice.

I have seen many situations where an insecure obnoxious dude trys to pick a fight with the biggest dude in the bar to demonstrate how badass obnoxious boy is.
 
2013-07-13 03:24:41 PM

radarlove: Smackledorfer: Mad_Radhu: Most pot smokers don't have a pack-a-day habit

My own experience is the opposite, but are there any studies on this? Obviously I don't know enough potsmokers to use my anecdotes as evidence.

A pack of cigarettes contains approximately an ounce of tobacco.

You knew people who were smoking an ounce of marijuana A DAY?!

Was it Snoop?


An ounce a day? Holy shiatsnacks. I don't know anyone who could smoke even an eighth in a day. That's beyond Amy Winehouse territory.
 
2013-07-13 03:25:45 PM
Healthier is questionable. But from personal experience myself and every other fulltime stoner I know eats very healthy. And none of us are fat.

I am 6'4 170, underweight if anything. Definitely eat less as a stoner than I did before I started (when I weighed 275). Still get the munchies occasionally, and still eat too much ice cream.
 
2013-07-13 03:27:54 PM
I'm probably going to go ahead and say I'd still probably be this skinny if I stopped smoking. The consequence of having forced amphetamines for a majority of your childhood wreaking havoc on your metabolic processes.
 
2013-07-13 03:28:34 PM

Serious Black: radarlove: Smackledorfer: Mad_Radhu: Most pot smokers don't have a pack-a-day habit

My own experience is the opposite, but are there any studies on this? Obviously I don't know enough potsmokers to use my anecdotes as evidence.

A pack of cigarettes contains approximately an ounce of tobacco.

You knew people who were smoking an ounce of marijuana A DAY?!

Was it Snoop?

An ounce a day? Holy shiatsnacks. I don't know anyone who could smoke even an eighth in a day. That's beyond Amy Winehouse territory.


Even at my hedonistic peak when I had a huge tolerance, access to shiatloads of free weed, and absolutely nothing to do but fap and play video games I could only muster up the ability to smoke an ounce a week and I was really trying hard to push that limit!
 
2013-07-13 03:29:55 PM
FTFA: Researchers looked at the effect of the drug on metabolic processes and discovered a correlation between smaller waist circumference and marijuana use.

Proof that this isn't proof.  Correlation invalidates the whole thing, along with this being from Opposing Views.  I would LOVE to agree with the assertion but sadly this site and that bolded word ruin my hopes.  ah well, c'est la vie.

/la vie
 
2013-07-13 03:29:56 PM
 
2013-07-13 03:31:18 PM
Let me tell you guys something

I am losing weight and I am exercising regularly and it is all thanks to marijuana

My life felt so miserable that I could not take care of myself. I had 0 motivation to do absolutely anything. Marijuana is a dismotivator, but when you have no motivation to begin with it actually increases your motivation.

Marijuana changed my life for the better. It is a shame that people do not see how beneficial it could be in the field of psychiatrics.
 
2013-07-13 03:32:04 PM

radarlove: Smackledorfer: Mad_Radhu: Most pot smokers don't have a pack-a-day habit

My own experience is the opposite, but are there any studies on this? Obviously I don't know enough potsmokers to use my anecdotes as evidence.

A pack of cigarettes contains approximately an ounce of tobacco.

You knew people who were smoking an ounce of marijuana A DAY?!

Was it Snoop?


I thought he was saying most pot smokers aren't cigarette smokers.

Makes much more sense now, hehe :)
 
2013-07-13 03:32:06 PM

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: Comes with a pretty high recommendationVapir N02.


Do you know if anyone has figured out a proper method for combining hash oil and propylene glycol/vegetable glycerine for use in electric cigarettes?
 
2013-07-13 03:32:57 PM

Delay: Smackledorfer: Delay: John Andrew Boehner drinks until he forgets.

Can you blame him? This isn't a pass for being a douche with bad ideas, I'm just saying if I were in his position I would be hitting the sauce too.

Well, I'm 99% sure if I was rich with a job that barely required my showing up from time to time I'd become a substance abuser pretty damn quick. I mean, the hardest thing he does is get schmoozed by donors, and booze goes great with that.

I agree with you. But, here's my point. His substance abuse of alcohol is expected, but his substance of choice is not designated criminal. On the other hand, some Mom with kids in the Mission district of San Francisco (no schmoozing donors), and equally as stressed out as Boehner, is considered a criminal because her substance of choice is marijuana.


Agreed.
 
2013-07-13 03:33:41 PM

khyberkitsune: I'm probably going to go ahead and say I'd still probably be this skinny if I stopped smoking. The consequence of having forced amphetamines for a majority of your childhood wreaking havoc on your metabolic processes.


How did that happen? ADHD drugs?
 
2013-07-13 03:33:46 PM

Smackledorfer: radarlove: Smackledorfer: Mad_Radhu: Most pot smokers don't have a pack-a-day habit

My own experience is the opposite, but are there any studies on this? Obviously I don't know enough potsmokers to use my anecdotes as evidence.

A pack of cigarettes contains approximately an ounce of tobacco.

You knew people who were smoking an ounce of marijuana A DAY?!

Was it Snoop?

I thought he was saying most pot smokers aren't cigarette smokers.

Makes much more sense now, hehe :)


Ah!  Your response makes much more sense now as well.  Thank you for clarifying!
 
2013-07-13 03:34:48 PM

Serious Black: radarlove: Smackledorfer: Mad_Radhu: Most pot smokers don't have a pack-a-day habit

My own experience is the opposite, but are there any studies on this? Obviously I don't know enough potsmokers to use my anecdotes as evidence.

A pack of cigarettes contains approximately an ounce of tobacco.

You knew people who were smoking an ounce of marijuana A DAY?!

Was it Snoop?

An ounce a day? Holy shiatsnacks. I don't know anyone who could smoke even an eighth in a day. That's beyond Amy Winehouse territory.


You can only smoke so much in a day before you don't feel anything anymore.

What does Amy Warehouse have to do with weed? Did she OD on an oz?

Another tragedy thanks to the devils weed.
 
2013-07-13 03:35:25 PM

TastyEloi: Smackledorfer: TastyEloi: Smackledorfer: TastyEloi: I think pot smokers tend to be thinner simply because slender people are more drawn to smoking pot. Marijuana tends to mellow you out and ectomorphs tend to be natually more laid back. Mesomorphs, on the other hand, are more drawn to alcohol, because booze tends to make you more belligerent, and many mesomorphs like a drug that allows them to aggressively act out and also have a rationalization for doing so.

Sure, but how do you feel the four humors factor into your pseudo-science? Does my higher level of black bile draw me to drinking instead of smoking a substance? Would a lower level of black bile, being the color of smoke, naturally make one's body accept smoking as it attempted to balance its humors?

I'd better go double check my phrenology manual, as well see what sigmund freud has to say about my dreamstates and oral fixations.


Your point is taken. But I would still argue that a person's appearance, both their build and physical attractiveness, tends to determine how their personality develops. .

Feel free to test it. Walk up to a dozen slender, skinny guys and shout at each of them "I think you're a farking a-hole!" Now do the same thing to a dozen big, muscular guys. Which ones are more likely to immediately go for your throat?

I'm going to go ahead and ask you to test your own claims on this one, seeing as you are the one making them.  FWIW, unlike the stereotype of steroid users, the majority of the people who lift freeweights are actually more easy going on stress-resistant as a result.


My statement didn't have anything to do with whether someone lifts weights or is a bodybuilder. It has more to do with a person's overall natural build and how being treated by others can shape a person's personality.


" big muscular guys" is a statement which has nothing to do with lifting weights and bodybuilding?

Now I think even less of your pseudoscience.

Sorry.
 
2013-07-13 03:37:19 PM
My roommate and I probably go through about 3 oz a month.

And yeah, that's a lot. But comparable to recreational beer drinkers, at least in my drunken Irish family.

/rarely drinks
//rarely does other drugs*

*last other rec drug I played with was salvia. Didn't do much. Would not do today not because of meh experience, but due to data I have now on it. Not anything physically harmful, just is more likely to cause a bad drug trip experience than other mind altering drugs. I'd rather do 'shrooms if I wanted to go that route. Or LSD. I don't do meth or any of that bullshiat. Yuck.
 
2013-07-13 03:42:02 PM

radarlove: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: Comes with a pretty high recommendationVapir N02.

Do you know if anyone has figured out a proper method for combining hash oil and propylene glycol/vegetable glycerine for use in electric cigarettes?


Great question!
 
2013-07-13 03:42:48 PM

radarlove: Smackledorfer: Mad_Radhu: Most pot smokers don't have a pack-a-day habit

My own experience is the opposite, but are there any studies on this? Obviously I don't know enough potsmokers to use my anecdotes as evidence.

A pack of cigarettes contains approximately an ounce of tobacco.

You knew people who were smoking an ounce of marijuana A DAY?!

Was it Snoop?


i know plenty of people who smoke a blunt or two a day, so you have to account for the tobacco in that.
 
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