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(Washington Times)   Indiana school district loses $300,000 in funding after students reject healthy menu changes, refuse to eat any meal that doesn't say "Happy" in front of it   (p.washingtontimes.com) divider line 214
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2013-07-13 06:37:00 PM

Do you know the way to Mordor: That's ridiculous! Addiction to fast food, like addiction to smoking, is not a free choice. The fast food and tobacco companies spend millions tweaking their formulas to produce the maximum sense of satisfaction in the brain and the intense craving for more of the same product. Michelle Obama is not trying to make you her slave here- she is trying to LIBERATE you. Get it right, will you?


I had a friend knocking back Coke after Coke one time while we were out at the beach. After about the third or fourth one I casually mentioned that he was just going to get thirstier because part of the "secret formula" is salt so that it doesn't quench your thirst. People don't realize that many of the things they eat are designed to avoid normal satiation responses and drive cravings for more.
 
2013-07-13 06:37:30 PM

Do you know the way to Mordor: Eponine24601: Almea Tarrant:

But hey, vegetables suck right?

Yes, they do.  They are gross and disgusting.

For goodness sake, learn how to use spices in your cooking! It will make the flavour much more interesting. You can even use small amounts of salted meats finely chopped into the veggies as they are cooking to add an interesting flavour. Get creative and you will never look back.


I wish that helped!  Believe me, I've tried pretty much everything there is to try to make vegetables more palatable.  Aside from using so much spice or sauce that the vegetable can't be tasted or essentially pureeing it to get rid of the texture and mixing it into something else, there isn't anything that will make them less gag inducing.  This includes using spices, making stir-fry, using different cooking methods (grill, steam, etc.)... *shrug*.  At least everyone else in my household likes them/eats them.
 
2013-07-13 06:58:41 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: There are two reasons we don't serve meals like that in US schools:

1. We don't properly fund school lunch programs both in terms of staffing and materials


Blah blah, blah not enough money, blah, blah, blah,

Total funding for all nutrition programs sums to more than $16 billion in both cash and commodity payments. School nutrition programs are one of the largest federal funding streams to schools.

From 1977 to 2012, total federal expenditures on the National School Lunch Program increased from $5.9 billion to more than $10 billion annually.Over the same period of time, participation in the meal programs increased by just over 5 million from 26.2 million to 31.6 million students.

Of the five billion meals provided to 31 million students during the 2011-12 school year, 59 percent were free of charge, 9 percent were reduced price, and the other 33 percent were paid.

The first is primarily an issue with morons like hasty ambush who can't stand the thought that the US government might spend a penny on something other than blowing up brown people or training to blow up brown people.


"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State."
~~James Madison, Federalist No. 45


The 69 federal means-tested aid programs provide cash, food, housing, medical care, and social services to low-income people. Here's how the spending breaks down:
•Federal: At $746 billion, federal means-tested spending exceeded spending on Medicare ($480 billion), Social Security ($725 billion), or the defense budget ($540 billion).
•State: In 2011, state contributions into federal welfare programs came to $201 billion, and independent state programs contributed around $9 billion.
•Combined: Overall means-tested welfare spending from federal and state sources reached from all sources reached $956 billion.


Welfare Spending: The Fastest Growing Component of Government Spending

For the past two decades, means-tested welfare or aid to the poor has been the fastest-growing component of government spending, outstripping the combined growth of Medicare and Social Security spending, as well as the growth in education and defense spending. Over the 20-year period between FY 1989 and FY 2008, total means-tested spending increased by 292 percent. The increase in combined Social Security and Medicare spending was 213 percent over the same period.

Means-tested spending on cash, food, and housing increased more rapidly (196 percent) than Social Security (174 percent). The growth in means-tested medical spending (448 percent) exceeded the growth in Medicare (376 percent).[2] The growth in means-tested aid greatly exceeded the growth in government spending on education (143 percent) and defense (126 percent). Aid to the poor is likely to continue to grow rapidly for the foreseeable future.

Since the beginning of the War on Poverty, government has spent $15.9 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2008 dollars) on means-tested welfare. In comparison, the cost of all other wars in U.S. history was $6.4 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2008 dollars).

"[Government] income redistribution agencies are estimated to absorb about two-thirds of each dollar budgeted to them in overhead costs, and in some cases as much as three-quarters of each dollar. Using government data, Robert L. Woodson (1989, p. 63) calculated that, on average, 70 cents of each dollar budgeted for government assistance goes not to the poor, but to the members of the welfare bureaucracy and others serving the poor
. Michael Tanner (1996, p. 136 n. 18) cites regional studies supporting this 70/30 split.

Charity Navigator (www.charitynavigator.org), the newest of several private sector organizations that rate charities by various criteria and supply that information to the public on their web sites, found that, as of 2004, 70 percent of charities they rated spent at least 75 percent of their budgets on the programs and services hey exist to provide, and 90 percent spent at least 65 percent.
 
2013-07-13 07:17:03 PM

hasty ambush: Total funding for all nutrition programs sums to more than $16 billion in both cash and commodity payments


So about 2% of our 2010 military spending. That does sound like a really big number though. Should I be concerned that we're spending about 2% of what our military budget is on feeding schoolchildren? I mean, 16 billion is a really large number and I guess we're supposed to be afraid of big numbers. I mean, if we add up seven years of school lunches that's almost the cost of the F-22 Raptor program and then what would be have other that students who had a good meal at school? Certainly not 188 planes that can Shock & Awe the fark out of brown people.

But go ahead and quote James Madison like the views of a man who lived two hundred and thirty years ago in a largely illiterate and agrarian colony have any bearing on our current situation.
 
2013-07-13 07:33:40 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: hasty ambush: Total funding for all nutrition programs sums to more than $16 billion in both cash and commodity payments

So about 2% of our 2010 military spending. That does sound like a really big number though. Should I be concerned that we're spending about 2% of what our military budget is on feeding schoolchildren? I mean, 16 billion is a really large number and I guess we're supposed to be afraid of big numbers. I mean, if we add up seven years of school lunches that's almost the cost of the F-22 Raptor program and then what would be have other that students who had a good meal at school? Certainly not 188 planes that can Shock & Awe the fark out of brown people.

But go ahead and quote James Madison like the views of a man who lived two hundred and thirty years ago in a largely illiterate and agrarian colony have any bearing on our current situation.


Since the beginning of the War on Poverty, government has spent $15.9 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2008 dollars) on means-tested welfare. In comparison, the cost of all other wars in U.S. history was $6.4 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2008 dollars).

The 69 federal means-tested aid programs provide cash, food, housing, medical care, and social services to low-income people. Here's how the spending breaks down:
•Federal: At $746 billion, federal means-tested spending exceeded spending on Medicare ($480 billion), Social Security ($725 billion), or the defense budget ($540 billion).
•State: In 2011, state contributions into federal welfare programs came to $201 billion, and independent state programs contributed around $9 billion.
•Combined: Overall means-tested welfare spending from federal and state sources reached from all sources reached $956 billion.


Welfare Spending: The Fastest Growing Component of Government Spending

For the past two decades, means-tested welfare or aid to the poor has been the fastest-growing component of government spending, outstripping the combined growth of Medicare and Social Security spending, as well as the growth in education and defense spending. Over the 20-year period between FY 1989 and FY 2008, total means-tested spending increased by 292 percent. The increase in combined Social Security and Medicare spending was 213 percent over the same period.

Means-tested spending on cash, food, and housing increased more rapidly (196 percent) than Social Security (174 percent). The growth in means-tested medical spending (448 percent) exceeded the growth in Medicare (376 percent).[2] The growth in means-tested aid greatly exceeded the growth in government spending on education (143 percent) and defense (126 percent). Aid to the poor is likely to continue to grow rapidly for the foreseeable future.

I will add that we now have more people getting food aid form government than are working in real jobs:

The U.S. Department of Agriculture estimates that a total of 101,000,000 people currently participate in at least one of the 15 food programs offered by the agency,

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), there were 97,180,000 full-time private sector workers in 2012.
 
2013-07-13 08:00:03 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: hasty ambush: Total funding for all nutrition programs sums to more than $16 billion in both cash and commodity payments

So about 2% of our 2010 military spending


Given that at least half the 31 million kids receiving free or reduced school lunches don't really qualify we can reduce that number to down to 15 million that "need" to be feed. $16 billion divided among 15 billion comes out to over $1000 per student divided over about 180 school days or about $6 per meal. The schools are buying their food in bulk and much of it subsidized or even free that is plenty per meal. Add in that many of these 15 million are in families that also receive other aid like food stamps, summer food programs, etc

No, lack of tax payer money is not the problem
 
2013-07-13 08:17:07 PM

hasty ambush: No, lack of tax payer money is not the problem


$16 billion dollars / 31 million students / 180 school days

$2.50 per student per day

Luxury!
 
2013-07-13 09:01:07 PM

ciberido: LargeCanine: Perhaps the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in school lunches.

It needs to be involved, or a lot of kids won't get a decent meal at all that day, which in turn hurts their performance in school, as well as their long-term health.

And if you're ok with that, then, frankly, you're a pretty horrible excuse for a human being.


Don't be twit and don't put words in my mouth.
 
2013-07-13 09:02:28 PM

ciberido: pedrop357: ghare: No you won't. I know your kind. You'd keep taking the free stuff, even if you didn't need it, and then throw it away, just to screw the libs. Because Freedom.

You know nothing about me.  But at least you confirmed that you have no argument against the point I raised.


Well, I can tell you at least one thing that  ghare and I both DO know: you badly misrepresent what other people say to you when you respond, and similarly distort the positions of people with whom you do not agree, even when they weren't talking to you.  So either you're using these strawmen as a deliberate tactic, in which case you're very dishonest, or you genuinely are repeating what you thought they were saying, in which case you're kind of an idiot.

Either way, you're not really one with whom it's possible to have meaningful dialog.


You are in no position to complain about distorting other people's positions.
 
2013-07-13 09:08:31 PM
On the topic of how losing $300k in funding is a problem, since they're serving a lot less food, school lunch budgets are roughly 45% food, 45% labor, and 10% for equipment and other expenses. So while they might be saving around $150k on food, they'd need to trim headcount and adjust job responsibilities. Some jobs and costs are somewhat fixed regardless of the number of meals served (e.g., you can't trim the cashier by 15% or spray for the kitchen for roaches 15% less often).
 
2013-07-14 05:00:24 AM

Eponine24601: Do you know the way to Mordor: Eponine24601: Almea Tarrant:

But hey, vegetables suck right?

Yes, they do.  They are gross and disgusting.

For goodness sake, learn how to use spices in your cooking! It will make the flavour much more interesting. You can even use small amounts of salted meats finely chopped into the veggies as they are cooking to add an interesting flavour. Get creative and you will never look back.

I wish that helped!  Believe me, I've tried pretty much everything there is to try to make vegetables more palatable.  Aside from using so much spice or sauce that the vegetable can't be tasted or essentially pureeing it to get rid of the texture and mixing it into something else, there isn't anything that will make them less gag inducing.  This includes using spices, making stir-fry, using different cooking methods (grill, steam, etc.)... *shrug*.  At least everyone else in my household likes them/eats them.


I guess there are always people whose metabolisms and tastes just can't handle some kinds of food. I hope that you are getting enough nutrients in what you are eating, as I have heard of people who mainly eat fast food that end up collapsing from the absence of key vitamins and minerals.
 
2013-07-14 11:39:00 PM
Almea Tarrant:
the fact is that obesity is now a serious problem.

That's what I keep hearing but I'm not seeing it.

None of my friend's kids (1st - 7th grade) are even remotely chubby, in fact a couple
of them have to be hounded by their parents to eat more, as they eat like birds and
I don't see any fat kids around the neighborhood either.
 
2013-07-15 12:23:29 AM

LargeCanine: ciberido: LargeCanine: Perhaps the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in school lunches.

It needs to be involved, or a lot of kids won't get a decent meal at all that day, which in turn hurts their performance in school, as well as their long-term health.

And if you're ok with that, then, frankly, you're a pretty horrible excuse for a human being.

Don't be twit and don't put words in my mouth.



Put words in your mouth?  I'm sorry you don't understand what the word "if" means.  Feel free to explain how you are NOT ok with hurting kid's performance in school or long-term health.

Specifically, in light of the information I provided, do you support spending tax money of school lunches, or not?

/As for being a twit, I'm not really concerned with your opinion of me.
 
2013-07-15 12:26:10 AM

pedrop357: If I need some help getting all the necessary food for breakfast or lunch and you decide that your help means you're entitled to dictate the content of all meals, as well as deciding that my kids can't eat unhealthy food at their friend's houses, I'm going to tire of your "help" and stop accepting it.


Ok, well, when the government actually does that, get back to me.  Until then, I'll just continue to assume you're an idiot.
 
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