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(Washington Times)   Indiana school district loses $300,000 in funding after students reject healthy menu changes, refuse to eat any meal that doesn't say "Happy" in front of it   (p.washingtontimes.com) divider line 214
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2013-07-13 03:56:38 PM  

ciberido: Don't ever go to the American Deep South.  What they do to vegetables there will make you cry.  And then demand a war-crimes tribunal.


No kidding. I remember the first time I came to visit my wife's family by day three I felt like I was sweating cooking oil from my pores. I didn't see a single vegetable that wasn't either deep fried or boiled to death and then smothered in some kind of high calorie sauce. When I got back to California the first thing I did was eat a gigantic salad.

/don't get me started on the pancake syrup they call tea
 
2013-07-13 03:56:52 PM  

Warlordtrooper: many students are throwing food away, putting a dent in the district's budget.

That's not how money works.  The food is paid for weather the kid eats it or not.  It doesn't magically cost more if the kid throws it out.


Thank god somebody pointed this out.
 
2013-07-13 03:58:28 PM  

LargeCanine: Perhaps the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in school lunches.


It needs to be involved, or a lot of kids won't get a decent meal at all that day, which in turn hurts their performance in school, as well as their long-term health.

And if you're ok with that, then, frankly, you're a pretty horrible excuse for a human being.
 
2013-07-13 03:58:43 PM  

Tom_Slick: supayoda: Tom_Slick: BarkingUnicorn: I guess someone added the district's food service losses to the federal money and got a negative number.

This, schools can't even afford to serve frozen chicken nuggets correctly, do we really think they can prepare tasty healthy dishes?  Junk food lunches are very hard to screw up and even then it is not that bad, fresh healthy choices can be terrible if not prepared correctly.  A school district can not afford to hire a competent trained chef for every lunch room.

How many years of culinary training does it take to throw raw or frozen broccoli into a microwave for a few minutes?

Several if you don't want your broccoli turning into a gelatinous goo on the steam table.  Go to a Chinese buffet, 2 hours after the lunch rush, those steamed veggies were fresh once would you eat them now?


So... teach the lunch lady to use a clock?
 
2013-07-13 03:59:09 PM  

Waldo Pepper: who could have guessed that kids away from the eyes of their parents don't want to eat healthy.

We ate pizza,hamburgers and hot dogs pretty much everyday in high school and we most of us were thin. Instead of wasting time/money on trying to get kids to eat better how about getting them outside and teach them how to play.


they can't do that because they cannot let the little runt kids get chosen last for the team, they cannot let some kid be "it" during tag, they cannot let the runt kid strike out, etc.  because it would hurt their self-esteem.  So instead, they stay inside, where each kid gets a trophy for coming to school that day.
 
2013-07-13 04:00:05 PM  
How can you have any pudding if you won't eat your meat?
 
2013-07-13 04:04:19 PM  

gayb: odinsposse: It makes no sense at all.

Yes it does. The government exists to serve. If people want to be served unhealthy lunches, the government had damn well do what the people want. Or it is tyranny.

If you can't get your mind around it, please refrain from voting, the process is lost on you.


Another example of a stupid person claiming that the one pointing out his stupidity is the stupid one.  A Fark classic.

Speaking of tyranny, read up on the concept of the "tyranny of the majority" and please refrain from posting until you can get your mind around it.
 
2013-07-13 04:08:16 PM  

Waldo Pepper: who could have guessed that kids away from the eyes of their parents don't want to eat healthy.

We ate pizza,hamburgers and hot dogs pretty much everyday in high school and we most of us were thin. Instead of wasting time/money on trying to get kids to eat better how about getting them outside and teach them how to play.


You're kidding, right?!

Don't you know what's out there?!
It's the REAL WORLD
 
2013-07-13 04:08:51 PM  

Deedeemarz: Moopy Mac: Deedeemarz: red5ish: Not going to feed clicks to the Washington Times. Not interested in propaganda promulgated by the Unification Church.

?WTF?

Never heard of the Moonies?

Yeah, but I don't know what propaganda would be hidden in the text if a story about Indiana school lunches....unless SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES.


The Moonies own the largest sushi distributor in the US. Study it out! (They really do)

/But really, it is a dangerous cult that owns a major newspaper. Even clicking on its pages is implicit support for its batshiat leadership.
 
2013-07-13 04:13:24 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: meintx2001: This is about Moochel's food program. No surprise.

Hey, I say cut all food programs. If the kids family can't afford to feed them, don't feed them.

Good thinkin'. And when they die, we can feed 'em to the rich kids.


I like your proposal.  It's modest.
 
2013-07-13 04:13:32 PM  

Gene Masseth Jr.: Moopy Mac: Gene Masseth Jr.: I work in a school.  Adult lunches are $3 and I get absolutely no more food or portion sizes than the kids do, whose lunches are $1.80.  Because of this, our school hardly has any teachers/staff that eat school lunch.  We bring our own stuff in or use our pathetic lunch breaks to run the .6 miles to "Fast Food Central" on our main road because all of us know that for $3 we can get full meals at McDonalds/Burger King/Taco Bell and go back to class on a full stomach.  The kids are screwed and can't go anywhere, but a lot of them now bring their own lunches, which wasn't the case a few years ago.I don't think it's just Carmel (richest city in Indiana btw so wtf are they whining about when it comes to money?) that is losing money on school lunches.  It's everywhere.  Improve portion sizes and prices and we'll have this discussion a couple years from now.

Yes, schools should be teaching kids to eat larger portions of food.

I am perfectly fine with the food they serve.  It really is healthy stuff.  Our school doesn't do anything fried.  It's either boiled or baked.  We had lots of fresh salad/greens and fruit.  I would love to eat MORE of that type of stuff, we just aren't getting served enough of it.  So, yes, actually, schools SHOULD be teaching our kids and everyone to eat larger portions of food.  Larger portions of HEALTHY food.  Who would ever complain about that or consider that a bad thing?


Having normal sized portions of healthy food is great. Why does it need to be larger? You live/work in Northern Indiana. That's fat-central. Schools shouldn't be teaching kids to eat larger portions, even if it is extremely healthy. They should eat moderate portions of healthy food.

At the end of the day calories in and out are going to be what keeps your kids overweight/obese. They'll get the nutrients they need with moderate (to smaller) portions. Expanding those stomachs isn't going to keep them from that heart attack at 53 years of age.
 
2013-07-13 04:16:10 PM  
So why exactly are they losing $300,000?

Is this money for healthy food that the kids don't eat?  Is it federal money?  Stop worrying about it so much,

I'd really like to know, but just too lazy to research it and either my reading comprehension failed me or the article didn't explain that.
 
2013-07-13 04:16:12 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Fark'em and feed'em fisheads?


Yes!  In the morning, laughing happy fish heads.  In the evening, floating in the soup!
 
2013-07-13 04:16:44 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Tom_Slick: Great now go put them on a steam table for 2 hours oh and you have to microwave 50 pounds worth.

You're right, it's impossible to feed schoolchildren well prepared and healthy meals which is why school lunches in Japan look like this:

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Any one of those would cost $12.99 at the local sushi joint.


The ingredients in the food in those pictures are extremely inexpensive. Heck, you could buy about any of those meals for less than $8 at a restaurant in central Tokyo and ingredients in the US are cheaper than in central Tokyo.
 
2013-07-13 04:17:19 PM  

nmemkha: According to the comments, its all "MOO(CHER)SHELL"s fault.

What is it with the first lady hate over mandating the serving nutritious food in schools?


I don't know.  I can't explain it.  But I sure that neither racism nor misogyny are involved in any way whatsoever.
 
2013-07-13 04:17:34 PM  

ciberido: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: meintx2001: This is about Moochel's food program. No surprise.

Hey, I say cut all food programs. If the kids family can't afford to feed them, don't feed them.

Good thinkin'. And when they die, we can feed 'em to the rich kids.

I like your proposal.  It's modest.


I can tell by your post that you've a Swift intellect. :)
 
2013-07-13 04:17:59 PM  

Tymast: odinsposse: gayb: F*cking democracy. Damn the majority for not accepting what's best for them. If only one person, preferably black, could have all of the power to decide everything for everyone. Then it would all be so much easier.

This has to be the most nonsensical side of this argument. How can you possibly argue that healthy government funded lunches distributed by a public school are tyranny but unhealthy government funded lunches distributed by a public school are FREEDOM? It makes no sense at all.

Parents  biatch all the time about the students not getting healthy enough lunches, and too much junk food being offered as snacks all the time in the district i work for.  So they get together, get rules placed within the district about what kind of food can be sold on school properties then  cry about not being able to sell cupcakes and crap during lunch for bake sales, and that their children aren't happy with being fed roasted chicken with a side salad instead of   nuggets and fries.


Could be that it's two different groups  of parents.  How about allowing a kids a choice between both?  The parents who want the healthy lunches provided should be happy and the ones who don't always like the healthy option should also be happy.

Of course it's not about choice, is it?  It's about one group mandating the lunch standards for everyone then becoming indignant and incredulous when people balk at the type or composition of lunch provided.
 
2013-07-13 04:18:10 PM  

ciberido: LargeCanine: Perhaps the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in school lunches.

It needs to be involved, or a lot of kids won't get a decent meal at all that day, which in turn hurts their performance in school, as well as their long-term health.

And if you're ok with that, then, frankly, you're a pretty horrible excuse for a human being.


Not to mention, in the long run those kids are going to be more costly to the tax-payers through future health costs, lack of education and incarceration costs.
 
2013-07-13 04:19:02 PM  

grimlock1972: If the kids refuse to eat it , It doesn't matter how healthy it is , a balance must be struck.


Damnit, don't get any more of that "rational compromise" crap in my Fark thread.  I've already made popcorn.
 
2013-07-13 04:19:13 PM  

ciberido: nmemkha: According to the comments, its all "MOO(CHER)SHELL"s fault.

What is it with the first lady hate over mandating the serving nutritious food in schools?

I don't know.  I can't explain it.  But I sure that neither racism nor misogyny are involved in any way whatsoever.


Remember when that nosy biatch Laura Bush was trying to get adults to learn how to read? The uproar was deafening.
 
2013-07-13 04:22:49 PM  

ciberido: LargeCanine: Perhaps the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in school lunches.

It needs to be involved, or a lot of kids won't get a decent meal at all that day, which in turn hurts their performance in school, as well as their long-term health.

And if you're ok with that, then, frankly, you're a pretty horrible excuse for a human being.


Yep, the means and the ends are the same thing and anyone who questions the means is obviously opposed to the ends.  The federal government isn't the only entity capable of dealing with poverty or hunger.

The big problem is that the price for that involvement is them telling the schools what food to serve even when it's paid for with local/state money and not federal money.

If I need some help getting all the necessary food for breakfast or lunch and you decide that your help means you're entitled to dictate the content of all meals, as well as deciding that my kids can't eat unhealthy food at their friend's houses, I'm going to tire of your "help" and stop accepting it.
 
2013-07-13 04:22:55 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Tom_Slick: Great now go put them on a steam table for 2 hours oh and you have to microwave 50 pounds worth.

You're right, it's impossible to feed schoolchildren well prepared and healthy meals which is why school lunches in Japan look like this:

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I used to work in a public school in South Korea and ate lunch with the other teachers and students.  The school meals looked a lot like that.  Of course Korean cuisine is somewhat different than Japanese, but overall, yes, a lot like that.
 
2013-07-13 04:23:13 PM  

pedrop357: Could be that it's two different groups of parents. How about allowing a kids a choice between both? The parents who want the healthy lunches provided should be happy and the ones who don't always like the healthy option should also be happy.

Of course it's not about choice, is it? It's about one group mandating the lunch standards for everyone then becoming indignant and incredulous when people balk at the type or composition of lunch provided.


Absolutely.

Also parents who don't like their kids complaining about homework and learning can choose video game time or television viewing for their young instead of reading and math.

You can't have elites forcing "standards" down our throats.
 
2013-07-13 04:23:17 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: TV's Vinnie: Perhaps it has something to do with Japan spending actual money on their schools?

I'd agree that the Japanese probably have a different perspective on their children and education.

Plus, there's no Japanese version of Michelle Obama trying nanny things up.

So we feed our kids prison food for school lunches because Michelle Obama and the nanny state? How does that work?


The Obamas are BLACK, you see. And Democrats. So Soshulism, etc.
 
2013-07-13 04:25:20 PM  

Dragonflew: Ishidan: //I'm half Japanese, guess which half...

The left!


1.bp.blogspot.com
Approves.
 
2013-07-13 04:26:15 PM  

pedrop357: ciberido: LargeCanine: Perhaps the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in school lunches.

It needs to be involved, or a lot of kids won't get a decent meal at all that day, which in turn hurts their performance in school, as well as their long-term health.

And if you're ok with that, then, frankly, you're a pretty horrible excuse for a human being.

Yep, the means and the ends are the same thing and anyone who questions the means is obviously opposed to the ends.  The federal government isn't the only entity capable of dealing with poverty or hunger.

The big problem is that the price for that involvement is them telling the schools what food to serve even when it's paid for with local/state money and not federal money.

If I need some help getting all the necessary food for breakfast or lunch and you decide that your help means you're entitled to dictate the content of all meals, as well as deciding that my kids can't eat unhealthy food at their friend's houses, I'm going to tire of your "help" and stop accepting it.


No you won't. I know your kind. You'd keep taking the free stuff, even if you didn't need it, and then throw it away, just to screw the libs. Because Freedom.
 
2013-07-13 04:26:38 PM  

Dragonflew: Ishidan: //I'm half Japanese, guess which half...

The lreft!


FTFY.
 
2013-07-13 04:27:25 PM  
Those kids sound fat.
 
2013-07-13 04:28:13 PM  

ghare: pedrop357: ciberido: LargeCanine: Perhaps the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in school lunches.

It needs to be involved, or a lot of kids won't get a decent meal at all that day, which in turn hurts their performance in school, as well as their long-term health.

And if you're ok with that, then, frankly, you're a pretty horrible excuse for a human being.

Yep, the means and the ends are the same thing and anyone who questions the means is obviously opposed to the ends.  The federal government isn't the only entity capable of dealing with poverty or hunger.

The big problem is that the price for that involvement is them telling the schools what food to serve even when it's paid for with local/state money and not federal money.

If I need some help getting all the necessary food for breakfast or lunch and you decide that your help means you're entitled to dictate the content of all meals, as well as deciding that my kids can't eat unhealthy food at their friend's houses, I'm going to tire of your "help" and stop accepting it.

No you won't. I know your kind. You'd keep taking the free stuff, even if you didn't need it, and then throw it away, just to screw the libs. Because Freedom.


You know nothing about me.  But at least you confirmed that you have no argument against the point I raised.
 
2013-07-13 04:36:41 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: ciberido: Don't ever go to the American Deep South.  What they do to vegetables there will make you cry.  And then demand a war-crimes tribunal.

No kidding. I remember the first time I came to visit my wife's family by day three I felt like I was sweating cooking oil from my pores. I didn't see a single vegetable that wasn't either deep fried or boiled to death and then smothered in some kind of high calorie sauce. When I got back to California the first thing I did was eat a gigantic salad.

/don't get me started on the pancake syrup they call tea



I was living in North Carolina when a friend from Kansas came to visit.  This was some years back, when a restaurant named "Don Murry's" was still open in Raleigh.  It closed years ago, sadly.  The friend had never been to North Carolina before, or any part of the American South, for that matter, but he told me he wanted to try typical Carolinian food, so I took him to Don Murry's for Eastern North Carolina-style barbecue (pulled pork marinate din a vinegar-based sauce), very different from what Kansans think of as barbecue.

The first sign that we were going to have translation errors was when the waitress asked him what he wanted to drink.  He said simply "tea."  She asked him (possibly noting the lack of a Southern accent) whether he wanted "sweet or unsweet," and he replied, "Oh just regular."  I explained that he meant "unsweet."  After that, the biggest problem was that he couldn't find any barbecue.

Anyway, the joke used to be that if you were going to stir sweet tea for any reason (not that you would need to), do it quickly unless you wanted rock candy to form on the spoon.
 
2013-07-13 04:38:40 PM  

pedrop357: Of course it's not about choice, is it?  It's about one group mandating the lunch standards for everyone then becoming indignant and incredulous when people balk at the type or composition of lunch provided.


No, it's not, but you keep right on enjoying your "Libruls are evil" fantasy.
 
2013-07-13 04:40:21 PM  

pedrop357: ciberido: It needs to be involved, or a lot of kids won't get a decent meal at all that day, which in turn hurts their performance in school, as well as their long-term health.

And if you're ok with that, then, frankly, you're a pretty horrible excuse for a human being.

Yep, the means and the ends are the same thing and anyone who questions the means is obviously opposed to the ends.  The federal government isn't the only entity capable of dealing with poverty or hunger.

The big problem is that the price for that involvement is them telling the schools what food to serve even when it's paid for with local/state money and not federal money.

If I need some help getting all the necessary food for breakfast or lunch and you decide that your help means you're entitled to dictate the content of all meals, as well as deciding that my kids can't eat unhealthy food at their friend's houses, I'm going to tire of your "help" and stop accepting it.



Wow.  You REALLY enjoy building strawmen.
 
2013-07-13 04:42:35 PM  

Ishidan: TV's Vinnie:
Plus, there's no Japanese version of Michelle Obama trying nanny things up.

Never actually MET a Japanese grandmother, have you?
/or worse, a Japanese father.  There's a reason "High Expectations Asian Father" is a meme whitebreads think is funny
//I'm half Japanese, guess which half...


I'm guessing on the mother's side. Right. Not too big a deal if the female gets dumped onto some gaijin, but if the Jmale side came home with a non Jfemale? The father will either disown him on the spot of give him a high-five, depending on the caste.

And I shouldn't be replying to you anyway, since you may be of the wrong blood type. ;)
 
2013-07-13 04:48:32 PM  

pedrop357: ghare: No you won't. I know your kind. You'd keep taking the free stuff, even if you didn't need it, and then throw it away, just to screw the libs. Because Freedom.

You know nothing about me.  But at least you confirmed that you have no argument against the point I raised.



Well, I can tell you at least one thing that  ghare and I both DO know: you badly misrepresent what other people say to you when you respond, and similarly distort the positions of people with whom you do not agree, even when they weren't talking to you.  So either you're using these strawmen as a deliberate tactic, in which case you're very dishonest, or you genuinely are repeating what you thought they were saying, in which case you're kind of an idiot.

Either way, you're not really one with whom it's possible to have meaningful dialog.
 
2013-07-13 05:08:11 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: TV's Vinnie: If it involves something more sophisticated than "stick it in the oven for 30 minutes and then take it out", you've never been in America. This is a nation that regards Sharknado as high class entertainment.

US born and raised. The difference is that when I was a bachelor I got tired of pizza and hot pockets and actually learned how to cook. My housemates would throw a frozen pizza in the oven and wait for 30 minutes and in that time I'd cook pasta with tomato creme sauce or udon with stirfry vegetables and pork. Then they'd biatch that not only did eat better than they did but that I got laid more too.

/chicks dig competence


Go work in high volume short serving window kitchen. I have I worked at a conference center where we would have to serve 500-1000 patrons in a 2.5 hour window, everything you know about cooking goes out the window when cooking for a buffet.  The allowable food costs for that setting was $6.00 per guest, a hell of a lot more than schools are allowed to spend.  Food has to be prepared so it is cooked properly for patron #1 and not over cooked for patron #800.  The skill and training it takes to properly prepare meals in that environment took a head chef making $100k a year, a sous chef making $60k a year and line cooks making $18.00 per hour.  Schools can't or won't spend that much money.  But yeah since you can cook nutritious, good tasting meals at home for next to nothing totally means you can do it for 400 children 5 days a week, you should apply the next time the local school district has an opening for that $36,000 a year job.
 
2013-07-13 05:15:29 PM  

gayb: odinsposse: You think the unhealthy lunches were decided by some sort of vote?

I didn't attend public school in the USA, but I assume the parents have a say. I assume it comes down to a vote in the end.


All schools have some say in how they administer lunches but they all also have to follow federal and state nutritional guidelines. This has been the case for decades. The government didn't grab any more power for this program. They have the exact same power they always did and are using it to make different choices. It is still silly to say a school choosing pizza is more or less tyrannical than a school choosing grilled chicken and rice.
 
Ral
2013-07-13 05:19:30 PM  
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
 
2013-07-13 05:30:56 PM  

Ral: You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.



"You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think."

-Dorothy Parker
 
2013-07-13 05:49:37 PM  

RexTalionis: The Federal Government typically can't directly mandate states or local agencies to do certain things, but they can offer money and incentives with the condition that you follow certain rules - for example, serving healthy food to students or having a certain speed limit on the major highways.

When state and local agencies stop following the conditions that comes with the money being sent to them, the money will stop coming in. The state agency knew that was the outcome going in and they stopped anyway. They made their bed, now they should lay in it.


When you accept government money (in this case the Feds') you accept government control there is no free lunch (HA! ).

However it would be nice if we got the Federal government out of a place it has no business being-the school cafeteria.

It would be nice to put an end to the Federal School lunch program which is riddled with corruptions and fraud but you would just end up being accused of trying to starve kids.

Fraud in the Lunchroom

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2013-07-13 05:53:15 PM  

ciberido: pedrop357: ghare: No you won't. I know your kind. You'd keep taking the free stuff, even if you didn't need it, and then throw it away, just to screw the libs. Because Freedom.

You know nothing about me.  But at least you confirmed that you have no argument against the point I raised.


Well, I can tell you at least one thing that  ghare and I both DO know: you badly misrepresent what other people say to you when you respond, and similarly distort the positions of people with whom you do not agree, even when they weren't talking to you.  So either you're using these strawmen as a deliberate tactic, in which case you're very dishonest, or you genuinely are repeating what you thought they were saying, in which case you're kind of an idiot.

Either way, you're not really one with whom it's possible to have meaningful dialog.


What did I misrepresent?  You said "It needs to be involved, or a lot of kids won't get a decent meal at all that day, which in turn hurts their performance in school, as well as their long-term health.

And if you're ok with that, then, frankly, you're a pretty horrible excuse for a human being.
"

Which is inline with the idea that the means and ends are inseparable as far you're concerned, and that you also apparently believe that only the federal government is capable of dealing with the problem.

I disagree, and point out that the problem isn't the federal government trying to help with hunger, it's conditioning that help on obeying a lot of mandates that don't have to do with feeding the hungry kids.

If this is about hungry kids, why doesn't the government simply require that the money used to fee hungry kids only goes towards certain kinds of meals?  That might be slightly questionable, but not as questionable as this idea that that schools and/or districts that don't replace all meals with healthy ones will not get help feeding the hungry kids.  This is inline with the example I provided about a person needing help with breakfast or lunch having to to comply with restrictions on dinner, snacks, and even meals at other kids houses (analagous to bake sales,etc.)
 
2013-07-13 06:05:50 PM  

Tom_Slick: Go work in high volume short serving window kitchen. I have I worked at a conference center where we would have to serve 500-1000 patrons in a 2.5 hour window, everything you know about cooking goes out the window when cooking for a buffet.  The allowable food costs for that setting was $6.00 per guest, a hell of a lot more than schools are allowed to spend.  Food has to be prepared so it is cooked properly for patron #1 and not over cooked for patron #800.  The skill and training it takes to properly prepare meals in that environment took a head chef making $100k a year, a sous chef making $60k a year and line cooks making $18.00 per hour.  Schools can't or won't spend that much money.  But yeah since you can cook nutritious, good tasting meals at home for next to nothing totally means you can do it for 400 children 5 days a week, you should apply the next time the local school district has an opening for that $36,000 a year job.


If you can stop being a farking prick for 30 seconds you might realize that the pictures of those Japanese lunches I posted were prepared for 500-1000. I was simply pointing out that preparing them clearly isn't rocket science. I've got a friend who's a chef for a local conference center and she's pretty much in agreement with me.

There are two reasons we don't serve meals like that in US schools:

1. We don't properly fund school lunch programs both in terms of staffing and materials
2. We don't demand that the food for our kids lunches be comparable to our lunch

The first is primarily an issue with morons like hasty ambush who can't stand the thought that the US government might spend a penny on something other than blowing up brown people or training to blow up brown people.

The second is simply apathy. Most Americans are too damned wiped out after a week at work to go on a crusade against how shiatty our school systems have become.

But go ahead, keep whining that providing decent school lunches is hard and how I just don't understand. I've seen it done right and done well. There is no good reason we can't provide a decent farking meal for public school students and have to resort to reheated Salisbury steak and tater tots.
 
2013-07-13 06:06:48 PM  

Eponine24601: Almea Tarrant:

But hey, vegetables suck right?

Yes, they do.  They are gross and disgusting.


For goodness sake, learn how to use spices in your cooking! It will make the flavour much more interesting. You can even use small amounts of salted meats finely chopped into the veggies as they are cooking to add an interesting flavour. Get creative and you will never look back.
 
2013-07-13 06:08:54 PM  

Tom_Slick: Go work in high volume short serving window kitchen. I have I worked at a conference center where we would have to serve 500-1000 patrons in a 2.5 hour window, everything you know about cooking goes out the window when cooking for a buffet. The allowable food costs for that setting was $6.00 per guest, a hell of a lot more than schools are allowed to spend. Food has to be prepared so it is cooked properly for patron #1 and not over cooked for patron #800. The skill and training it takes to properly prepare meals in that environment took a head chef making $100k a year, a sous chef making $60k a year and line cooks making $18.00 per hour. Schools can't or won't spend that much money. But yeah since you can cook nutritious, good tasting meals at home for next to nothing totally means you can do it for 400 children 5 days a week, you should apply the next time the local school district has an opening for that $36,000 a year job.


Line cooks in buffets around here make a buck or two above minimum wage, if they're LUCKY (noting: we're talking something more akin to Subway/PF Changs/Chuckwagon, nothing special.... which is all kids f*cking need). There is no f*cking reason why schools need to pay such absurd costs for something that CAN, and in fact for years WAS, done for a lot less in school districts.

If local cooks at schools made $36,000 per year, there would be HUNDREDS of applicants. New TEACHERS don't even make that much around here.
 
2013-07-13 06:12:52 PM  

ginkor: But Michelle knows that growing children need to eat their Gach, Heart of Targ, Zilm'kach, and Rokeg blood pie for dessert.


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That's ridiculous! Addiction to fast food, like addiction to smoking, is not a free choice. The fast food and tobacco companies spend millions tweaking their formulas to produce the maximum sense of satisfaction in the brain and the intense craving for more of the same product. Michelle Obama is not trying to make you her slave here- she is trying to LIBERATE you. Get it right, will you?
 
2013-07-13 06:13:00 PM  

pedrop357: Yep, the means and the ends are the same thing and anyone who questions the means is obviously opposed to the ends.  The federal government isn't the only entity capable of dealing with poverty or hunger.


True enough but it is the only that appears to be both sufficiently funded and positioned to do the job. Sure, if you want wildly uneven results with little to no accountability, you can cross your fingers and hope that charity does the job.

People who are interested in results look to the one entity that is large enough to deal with the issue. People who are interested in ideology... well to be honest I don't know what the fark they're thinking since they're putting ideology before results.
 
2013-07-13 06:14:51 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: There are two reasons we don't serve meals like that in US schools:

1. We don't properly fund school lunch programs both in terms of staffing and materials
2. We don't demand that the food for our kids lunches be comparable to our lunch


I honestly believe there's a lot of money in Washington that ensures school districts continue to receive garbage that's been processed all to hell or delivered from the right suppliers... similar to the reason that milk is, apparently, the only default drink for kids in schools.

America has set up the financial system so that it's almost impossible to do anything in bulk on the cheap, unless you go outside of bureaucratic circles. I have heard that some schools are contracting out to local/regional farms for their produce, which is the start of what may be a GREAT thing.
 
2013-07-13 06:15:58 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: pedrop357: Yep, the means and the ends are the same thing and anyone who questions the means is obviously opposed to the ends.  The federal government isn't the only entity capable of dealing with poverty or hunger.

True enough but it is the only that appears to be both sufficiently funded and positioned to do the job. Sure, if you want wildly uneven results with little to no accountability, you can cross your fingers and hope that charity does the job.

People who are interested in results look to the one entity that is large enough to deal with the issue. People who are interested in ideology... well to be honest I don't know what the fark they're thinking since they're putting ideology before results.


Not just charity, but local, county, and state.  Why can't each school within a district be able to figure out what works for their students, or each district?

There's no reason to have the "solution" be a single federal govt. solution that plainly isn't working.
 
2013-07-13 06:22:51 PM  

pedrop357: Not just charity, but local, county, and state.  Why can't each school within a district be able to figure out what works for their students, or each district?


You know how I know you haven't spent any time actually talking to members of your local school board?

There's no reason to have the "solution" be a single federal govt. solution that plainly isn't working.

It's not working because the entire system is balkanized to hell and back.
 
2013-07-13 06:24:22 PM  
One way to make the kids feel bad about being addicted to fast food- schedule intense, gut crunching physical training immediately after lunch. Watch the few kids who have eaten healthy food show more endurance, more flexibility, and more strength than the fragile nutrient-deprived kids!
 
2013-07-13 06:30:04 PM  

puffy999: I honestly believe there's a lot of money in Washington that ensures school districts continue to receive garbage that's been processed all to hell or delivered from the right suppliers... similar to the reason that milk is, apparently, the only default drink for kids in schools.


There's a lot of money in institutional (read prison) food. And I know what you mean about milk, my kid has a mild milk allergy and she has to take a water bottle to school since there isn't anything but milk to drink other than the water fountain in the hall.

America has set up the financial system so that it's almost impossible to do anything in bulk on the cheap, unless you go outside of bureaucratic circles. I have heard that some schools are contracting out to local/regional farms for their produce, which is the start of what may be a GREAT thing.

My position is that we shouldn't even be trying to do it on the cheap. We should be focused on quality and efficiency. Trying to do it cheap is why we have the problems we have now.
 
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