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(Washington Times)   Indiana school district loses $300,000 in funding after students reject healthy menu changes, refuse to eat any meal that doesn't say "Happy" in front of it   (p.washingtontimes.com) divider line 214
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2013-07-13 01:40:01 PM
This is about Moochel's food program. No surprise.

Hey, I say cut all food programs. If the kids family can't afford to feed them, don't feed them.
 
2013-07-13 01:41:56 PM
Not eating the lunches, yet 15% are still obese?  Yeah, blame M. Obama for that, too...
 
2013-07-13 01:45:25 PM

Tom_Slick: This, schools can't even afford to serve frozen chicken nuggets correctly, do we really think they can prepare tasty healthy dishes? Junk food lunches are very hard to screw up and even then it is not that bad, fresh healthy choices can be terrible if not prepared correctly. A school district can not afford to hire a competent trained chef for every lunch room.


Exactly.  You have to be a lot more careful preparing healthy stuff to get a good result.  I remember back in school most of the fruits and veggies were awful, not because I didn't like them but because they were prepared so badly.  If you want kids to eat healthy fix the kitchens first!

JeffreyScott: The problem isn't the guidelines, as schools could prepare tasty food within those guidelines if they tried.

The problem is most school cafeterias don't even attempt to cook their own food. The simply purchase frozen dinners and heat them, resulting in something that taste worst the the average frozen TV dinner.

The best way to ensure schools lunches are tasty is to require ALL of the administrators, teachers, and support staff (including the lunch ladies) to eat the same meals prepared for the students.


Yeah, that would get decent food.
 
2013-07-13 01:49:14 PM

odinsposse: You think the unhealthy lunches were decided by some sort of vote?


I didn't attend public school in the USA, but I assume the parents have a say. I assume it comes down to a vote in the end.
 
2013-07-13 01:49:43 PM

meintx2001: This is about Moochel's food program. No surprise.

Hey, I say cut all food programs. If the kids family can't afford to feed them, don't feed them.


This is so weak it dropped the weights on itself and is slowly choking to death.
 
2013-07-13 01:50:32 PM

meintx2001: This is about Moochel's food program. No surprise.

Hey, I say cut all food programs. If the kids family can't afford to feed them, don't feed them.


Good thinkin'. And when they die, we can feed 'em to the rich kids.
 
2013-07-13 01:50:41 PM

supayoda: So I checked out her school lunch menu... Grilled chicken sandwiches on whole wheat buns, salad bar, baked potato bar, turkey roll ups, whole wheat spaghetti... A lot of it sounded pretty appetising, and they still have pizza and hamburgers on Fridays.


For a few years the school lunch menu at my kids school sounded amazing. Of course there was a huge difference between what I thought of when I read the menu and what ended up on the plate. My kid wanted to eat the school lunch for a while too simply because her friends ate it. After about a month of it she started hinting that she would rather have one of my bentos on some days. Over the course of another month, the times when she looked at the menu for the next day and asked for a bento increased. Eventually she was eating the school lunch once every couple weeks and asking for extra food in her box lunches so she could share with her friends.

Once they stopped doing the locally sourced real food lunches the menu degenerated to "mac and cheese with breaded chicken patty" and "cheese rollup with fruit cup (in heavy syrup)".

"Grilled chicken sandwich on whole wheat bun" was on the menu at her school too. It consisted of a reheated frozen patty of processed chicken meat and a whole wheat hamburger bun. No lettuce, no tomato, no mayonnaise, no mustard, nothing. What was on the menu was exactly what was served: one reheated chicken patty and one hamburger bun.
 
2013-07-13 01:53:37 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Thank you for demonstrating the fundamental flaw of democracy.


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HKW
2013-07-13 01:54:50 PM

Capo Del Bandito: Fark'em and feed'em fisheads?


My Vietnamese lady would approve of this.

/her favorite is the eyes
 
HKW
2013-07-13 01:55:50 PM
My Vietnamese lady would approve of this.

/her favorite is the eyes
 
2013-07-13 01:55:51 PM

gayb: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Thank you for demonstrating the fundamental flaw of democracy.

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I haven't followed south park for a few years. You'll have to use your words.
 
2013-07-13 01:57:18 PM
According to the comments, its all "MOO(CHER)SHELL"s fault.

What is it with the first lady hate over mandating the serving nutritious food in schools?
 
2013-07-13 01:59:20 PM
Almea Tarrant:

But hey, vegetables suck right?

Yes, they do.  They are gross and disgusting.  There are very few vegetables that do not make me gag, no matter how they are prepared.  Cauliflower is just there to make the broccoli look good.  But you know what?  Because they are healthy, I choke them down anyway because my parents taught me healthy eating habits.

I think that the time it takes to prep healthy meals cooked on site and the cost are prohibitive in most school settings.  It would be great if there was time to make everything fresh on-site and serve it.  There have, I believe, been studies done where this was attempted and there were improvements in student behavior and test scores.  You would think that this would be an incentive to try and make it work elsewhere.

Offering healthier choices for school lunches is a great idea, if the kids will eat them and it's only part of the solution.  I think that there also needs to be more done in educating parents about nutrition.  Also, kids need to be given more time to run around and be active.  There are a number of benefits to that, aside from helping with the obesity epidemic.  I have noticed when I take my students to walk/run the track a few times daily, we have fewer discipline issues and they are just generally in better moods overall.
 
2013-07-13 02:00:15 PM

Koodz: Waldo Pepper: who could have guessed that kids away from the eyes of their parents don't want to eat healthy.

We ate pizza,hamburgers and hot dogs pretty much everyday in high school and we most of us were thin. Instead of wasting time/money on trying to get kids to eat better how about getting them outside and teach them how to play.

You can outeat any amount of exercise. It's damned hard to burn 1000 extra calories but you can eat it in 20 minutes.


You're not wrong, but consider this: Do you think the average American eats more calories today than 100 years ago, or fewer?

/about 600 fewer per day. Americans are fat because they are sedentary.
 
2013-07-13 02:03:38 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: You'll have to use your words.


Something about how if you don't like it, then you can git out.

I think tyranny of the majority can definitely be a problem. But this lunch thing is not one of them. Choice has not been removed. In a non-cosmic sort of way.
 
2013-07-13 02:07:11 PM

0per: Wording is key.  The students can't possibly be so attached to their current menu. I doubt that they rejected the new ideas solely because they were healthier choices. School districts notoriously spend money on fancy architecture, snazzy animated signage, etc. and then cut from other areas to avoid red ink.
I don't know about anybody else but I'll take spinach salad over "american spring salad mix" any day.  (what the hell IS that dandelion leafy weed in there anyway?) It's cheap edible vegetative material that makes the bag heavier. That's what it is.


Baby arugula. I buy entire bags of the stuff.
 
2013-07-13 02:07:57 PM

supayoda: 0per: Wording is key.  The students can't possibly be so attached to their current menu. I doubt that they rejected the new ideas solely because they were healthier choices. School districts notoriously spend money on fancy architecture, snazzy animated signage, etc. and then cut from other areas to avoid red ink.
I don't know about anybody else but I'll take spinach salad over "american spring salad mix" any day.  (what the hell IS that dandelion leafy weed in there anyway?) It's cheap edible vegetative material that makes the bag heavier. That's what it is.

Baby arugula. I buy entire bags of the stuff.


Nature's inferior floss substitute.
 
2013-07-13 02:12:16 PM
Maybe I'm just naive or bad at math or something, but...

If I buy food from you, and then throw it away, how did you lose money?
 
2013-07-13 02:14:39 PM

Tom_Slick: supayoda: Tom_Slick: BarkingUnicorn: I guess someone added the district's food service losses to the federal money and got a negative number.

This, schools can't even afford to serve frozen chicken nuggets correctly, do we really think they can prepare tasty healthy dishes?  Junk food lunches are very hard to screw up and even then it is not that bad, fresh healthy choices can be terrible if not prepared correctly.  A school district can not afford to hire a competent trained chef for every lunch room.

How many years of culinary training does it take to throw raw or frozen broccoli into a microwave for a few minutes?

Several if you don't want your broccoli turning into a gelatinous goo on the steam table.  Go to a Chinese buffet, 2 hours after the lunch rush, those steamed veggies were fresh once would you eat them now?


I can give you the results from my own kitchen. I've never had any culinary training, and I can throw a bag of fresh broccoli florets into the microwave oven on 3-4 minutes. Perfect every time. It's really not that difficult.
 
2013-07-13 02:18:02 PM
If the kids refuse to eat it , It doesn't matter how healthy it is , a balance must be struck.
 
2013-07-13 02:19:58 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: supayoda: So I checked out her school lunch menu... Grilled chicken sandwiches on whole wheat buns, salad bar, baked potato bar, turkey roll ups, whole wheat spaghetti... A lot of it sounded pretty appetising, and they still have pizza and hamburgers on Fridays.

For a few years the school lunch menu at my kids school sounded amazing. Of course there was a huge difference between what I thought of when I read the menu and what ended up on the plate. My kid wanted to eat the school lunch for a while too simply because her friends ate it. After about a month of it she started hinting that she would rather have one of my bentos on some days. Over the course of another month, the times when she looked at the menu for the next day and asked for a bento increased. Eventually she was eating the school lunch once every couple weeks and asking for extra food in her box lunches so she could share with her friends.

Once they stopped doing the locally sourced real food lunches the menu degenerated to "mac and cheese with breaded chicken patty" and "cheese rollup with fruit cup (in heavy syrup)".

"Grilled chicken sandwich on whole wheat bun" was on the menu at her school too. It consisted of a reheated frozen patty of processed chicken meat and a whole wheat hamburger bun. No lettuce, no tomato, no mayonnaise, no mustard, nothing. What was on the menu was exactly what was served: one reheated chicken patty and one hamburger bun.


I've not encountered this and even visited her school lunchroom on a few occasions. It's actually pretty good here, though that could be the result of a more competent school administration and lunchroom staff. It's been two years so far, and she hasn't asked to go back to homemade lunches. I've tried to get her off the cafeteria stuff, but she loves it.
 
2013-07-13 02:22:17 PM

gayb: Something about how if you don't like it, then you can git out.

I think tyranny of the majority can definitely be a problem. But this lunch thing is not one of them. Choice has not been removed. In a non-cosmic sort of way.


I think recognizing that the majority may not always be qualified or motivated to make the best long term choices is why we have a representative democracy rather than a direct democracy.

In this instance, I think it's foolish to cater to the preferences of the masses especially when the masses in question are children. When my kid was little I supported her choice not to eat what I'd prepared for her. She rapidly learned that her options were what was on her plate or hunger. Consequently, she has a much more refined palate than her peers, doesn't immediately dive for the fast food, and isn't a little porker like half the kids in her class.

In public school the choice should be healthy food in moderate proportions, a sack lunch, or hunger.
 
2013-07-13 02:26:31 PM

supayoda: I can give you the results from my own kitchen. I've never had any culinary training, and I can throw a bag of fresh broccoli florets into the microwave oven on 3-4 minutes. Perfect every time. It's really not that difficult.


Great now go put them on a steam table for 2 hours oh and you have to microwave 50 pounds worth.
 
2013-07-13 02:39:58 PM

Tom_Slick: Great now go put them on a steam table for 2 hours oh and you have to microwave 50 pounds worth.


You're right, it's impossible to feed schoolchildren well prepared and healthy meals which is why school lunches in Japan look like this:

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1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-13 02:44:34 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Tom_Slick: Great now go put them on a steam table for 2 hours oh and you have to microwave 50 pounds worth.

You're right, it's impossible to feed schoolchildren well prepared and healthy meals which is why school lunches in Japan look like this:

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Perhaps it has something to do with Japan spending actual money on their schools?

Plus, there's no Japanese version of Michelle Obama trying nanny things up.
 
2013-07-13 02:45:47 PM

Once and Future Lurker: Why don't they just prevent the kids from leaving the ground in the middle of the day. Mine did starting my junior year. 1980


Sure and when that does not work just have the school safety officer hold a gun to their heads until the eat their veggies.
Much better to teach them early not to resist government. EVER.
 
2013-07-13 02:46:49 PM
Click on that link you unthinking dopes. Zombie Moon needs a new crown.

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2013-07-13 02:46:51 PM
Serve whatever is the daily blueplate special in the Senate dining room or the White House Mess.
thank me later!
 
2013-07-13 02:47:56 PM
Increase PE and work harder on making good food, dammit.

feed the kids foods like multigrain pizza, fresh fruit salad, low fat cupcakes, healthy chicken nuggets, seasoned baked fries, and unlimited salad bars with good sources of protein and fresh ingredients that tempt kids. Give them smaller plates but let them go back for more until they're satisfied. Charge them a dollar fifty. Yes, you can get fat on good food but the point is to get them away from high carb/high fat combinations at least part of the day. Lots of fresh choices means they'll find something healthy they like, and then you can work your way through learning what this years kids eat.
 
2013-07-13 02:48:42 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Tom_Slick: Great now go put them on a steam table for 2 hours oh and you have to microwave 50 pounds worth.

You're right, it's impossible to feed schoolchildren well prepared and healthy meals which is why school lunches in Japan look like this:

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Any one of those would cost $12.99 at the local sushi joint.
 
2013-07-13 02:49:02 PM

TV's Vinnie: Perhaps it has something to do with Japan spending actual money on their schools?


I'd agree that the Japanese probably have a different perspective on their children and education.

Plus, there's no Japanese version of Michelle Obama trying nanny things up.

So we feed our kids prison food for school lunches because Michelle Obama and the nanny state? How does that work?
 
2013-07-13 02:50:21 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Tom_Slick: Great now go put them on a steam table for 2 hours oh and you have to microwave 50 pounds worth.

You're right, it's impossible to feed schoolchildren well prepared and healthy meals which is why school lunches in Japan look like this:

[czechmatediary.com image 400x300]

[files.blogter.hu image 500x375]

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x283]


I'll bet Japan actually hires real professionally trained chefs for their schools.  US schools don't.
 
2013-07-13 02:50:33 PM

Gene Masseth Jr.: I work in a school.  Adult lunches are $3 and I get absolutely no more food or portion sizes than the kids do, whose lunches are $1.80.  Because of this, our school hardly has any teachers/staff that eat school lunch.  We bring our own stuff in or use our pathetic lunch breaks to run the .6 miles to "Fast Food Central" on our main road because all of us know that for $3 we can get full meals at McDonalds/Burger King/Taco Bell and go back to class on a full stomach.  The kids are screwed and can't go anywhere, but a lot of them now bring their own lunches, which wasn't the case a few years ago.I don't think it's just Carmel (richest city in Indiana btw so wtf are they whining about when it comes to money?) that is losing money on school lunches.  It's everywhere.  Improve portion sizes and prices and we'll have this discussion a couple years from now.


I think you discovered the way to break this cycle. Force the teachers & staff to eat the same steam trays of stinking broccoli and rubbery string bean lunches that are being shoved down the kids' throats. The teachers unions will throw a sh*tfit and by the next month it'll be back to pizzas and corns dogs.
 
2013-07-13 02:52:31 PM

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Increase PE and work harder on making good food, dammit.


Sorry kids. No time for you to learn anything. You gotta do more calisthenics. It'll come in handy when you do nothing but work a lever back & forth all day at your future job.
 
2013-07-13 02:53:55 PM

TV's Vinnie: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Increase PE and work harder on making good food, dammit.

Sorry kids. No time for you to learn anything. You gotta do more calisthenics. It'll come in handy when you do nothing but work a lever back & forth all day at your future job.


Like they would learn anything outside of how to pass a CRCT test anyway.
 
2013-07-13 02:55:07 PM

pdee: Once and Future Lurker: Why don't they just prevent the kids from leaving the ground in the middle of the day. Mine did starting my junior year. 1980

Sure and when that does not work just have the school safety officer hold a gun to their heads until the eat their veggies.
Much better to teach them early not to resist government. EVER.


As a kid, I hated stewed tomatoes. In fifth grade, my officious teacher (Mrs. Menzel) took the time to further my education by insisting I eat my serving of them which had grown cold. After a Mexican stand-off she got her way, but I gagged and then vomited on her shoes. Perhaps we both learned something.
 
2013-07-13 02:55:24 PM

Tom_Slick: I'll bet Japan actually hires real professionally trained chefs for their schools.  US schools don't.


You don't need a chef since nothing in those pictures is remotely challenging to prepare. Any reasonably experienced cooking staff could prepare those meals for a school lunch program.
 
2013-07-13 02:56:31 PM

TV's Vinnie: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Increase PE and work harder on making good food, dammit.

Sorry kids. No time for you to learn anything. You gotta do more calisthenics. It'll come in handy when you do nothing but work a lever back & forth all day at your future job.


Children learn better when they get regular exercise.
 
2013-07-13 03:00:00 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: TV's Vinnie: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Increase PE and work harder on making good food, dammit.

Sorry kids. No time for you to learn anything. You gotta do more calisthenics. It'll come in handy when you do nothing but work a lever back & forth all day at your future job.

Children learn better when they get regular exercise.


They learn that it hurts and it's stupid.
 
2013-07-13 03:02:28 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Tom_Slick: I'll bet Japan actually hires real professionally trained chefs for their schools.  US schools don't.

You don't need a chef since nothing in those pictures is remotely challenging to prepare. Any reasonably experienced cooking staff could prepare those meals for a school lunch program.


If it involves something more sophisticated than "stick it in the oven for 30 minutes and then take it out", you've never been in America. This is a nation that regards Sharknado as high class entertainment.
 
2013-07-13 03:25:43 PM

TV's Vinnie: If it involves something more sophisticated than "stick it in the oven for 30 minutes and then take it out", you've never been in America. This is a nation that regards Sharknado as high class entertainment.


US born and raised. The difference is that when I was a bachelor I got tired of pizza and hot pockets and actually learned how to cook. My housemates would throw a frozen pizza in the oven and wait for 30 minutes and in that time I'd cook pasta with tomato creme sauce or udon with stirfry vegetables and pork. Then they'd biatch that not only did eat better than they did but that I got laid more too.

/chicks dig competence
 
2013-07-13 03:36:40 PM

nmemkha: According to the comments, its all "MOO(CHER)SHELL"s fault.

What is it with the first lady hate over mandating the serving nutritious food in schools?


WE GET IT, SHE'S BLACK.

Zat answer the question?

/if she did nothing, she'd be accused of stuffing the kids' faces with fried chicken, chitterlings, and bacon-soaked collard greens
 
2013-07-13 03:40:08 PM
TV's Vinnie:
Plus, there's no Japanese version of Michelle Obama trying nanny things up.

Never actually MET a Japanese grandmother, have you?
/or worse, a Japanese father.  There's a reason "High Expectations Asian Father" is a meme whitebreads think is funny
//I'm half Japanese, guess which half...
 
2013-07-13 03:41:18 PM

maxx2112: bronyaur1: There is no reason on EARTH why tax monies should fund unhealthy meals for kids, either directly or via government assistance programs.  You want your kids to eat crap?  Then YOU pay for it.

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Well, I tend to agree with him, and I know I'm not trolling, but I can't completely rule out stupid.  So maybe that sheds some insight into the question.

To be a little more specific, tax monies should be spent to provide students with healthful meals, and if they can be both healthful and delicious, great.  There's even room for some trade-off and compromise: for example, pizza once in a while, not just tofu salad every day.  But if schools are using government funds to provide students with healthful meals which the students are merely throwing away, then we do indeed have a problem we need to resolve somehow.

Is that really something so obviously trollish or stupid to say?  And does it strike you as completely at odds with what bronyaur1 was saying?
 
2013-07-13 03:42:02 PM

Tom_Slick: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Tom_Slick: Great now go put them on a steam table for 2 hours oh and you have to microwave 50 pounds worth.

You're right, it's impossible to feed schoolchildren well prepared and healthy meals which is why school lunches in Japan look like this:

[czechmatediary.com image 400x300]

[files.blogter.hu image 500x375]

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x283]

I'll bet Japan actually hires real professionally trained chefs for their schools.  US schools don't.


Exactly. The average lunch lady is not capable of producing good tasting food like that to 500+ kids per day, on government funding, with government beans and cheese.

It's like an Army DFAC. The more they get to spend, the better quality food they can purchase. Better food, more people eat there. The more people eat there, the more they get to spend. Repeat cycle.
 
2013-07-13 03:42:52 PM

Waldo Pepper: We ate pizza,hamburgers and hot dogs pretty much everyday in high school and we most of us were thin. Instead of wasting time/money on trying to get kids to eat better how about getting them outside and teach them how to play.


You do understand that being thin and being healthy are not the same thing, yes?
 
2013-07-13 03:46:24 PM

Ishidan: //I'm half Japanese, guess which half...


The bottom half?
 
2013-07-13 03:48:02 PM

picturescrazy: I wonder how much if it is because so many people only cook vegetables to be mushy piles of garbage?


Don't ever go to the American Deep South.  What they do to vegetables there will make you cry.  And then demand a war-crimes tribunal.

My mother once was invited to a pot-luck dinner at a church in North Carolina.  When she arrived with a covered dish, several people worried out loud (presumably thinking she couldn't overhear them, but you never know) that she might have a "strange northern vegetable dish."

/Yes, I know strictly speaking NC isn't in the Deep South.
//What people in North Carolina do to vegetables is still an atrocity.
 
2013-07-13 03:49:10 PM

Ishidan: //I'm half Japanese, guess which half...


The left!
 
2013-07-13 03:54:54 PM

jaytkay: "They're teaching our kids with this meal pattern that it's OK to throw away," [Lori Shofroth, Tippecanoe School Corp.'s food service director] told JCOnline.


Actually, Lori, your staff is teaching the kids that's its okay to throw away food.  Back when I was in elementary school, a non-potato vegetable was served every day, and the lady by the tray-return window would send you back to your seat to eat the veggie.  If you did not like what was on the menu, you brought your lunch from home.

And to the North White school district, which lost $300,000 because the kids did not purchase their lunch:  is the taxpayer supposed to pay for meals that are not eaten?
 
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