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(Washington Times)   Indiana school district loses $300,000 in funding after students reject healthy menu changes, refuse to eat any meal that doesn't say "Happy" in front of it   (p.washingtontimes.com) divider line 214
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2013-07-13 08:37:28 AM
Imagonna guess those kids could afford to skip the meal. Starving kids are happy to eat whatever
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-07-13 08:55:10 AM
they're assuming that every student doesn't have access to food

A British government-sponsored study suggests prohibiting outside food in schools.
 
2013-07-13 09:49:49 AM
There is no reason on EARTH why tax monies should fund unhealthy meals for kids, either directly or via government assistance programs.  You want your kids to eat crap?  Then YOU pay for it.
 
2013-07-13 10:19:10 AM

bronyaur1: There is no reason on EARTH why tax monies should fund unhealthy meals for kids, either directly or via government assistance programs.  You want your kids to eat crap?  Then YOU pay for it.


THIS.

School district: We're serving healthy food.
Parents: I don't want that and our kids don't want that.
School district: That's cool. You can eat...this bag of dicks.
 
2013-07-13 11:04:37 AM
They eat shiat because their parents fed them shiat their whole lives. They don't bother to cook at home, they swing by and grab Mickey D's for the kids and then ignore their kids the rest of the night.

On a different topic, I am SO GODDAMN TIRED of seeing the dude with no shirt and a cowboy hat at the bottom of every farking story Fark links to.
 
2013-07-13 11:16:57 AM
The Federal Government typically can't directly mandate states or local agencies to do certain things, but they can offer money and incentives with the condition that you follow certain rules - for example, serving healthy food to students or having a certain speed limit on the major highways.

When state and local agencies stop following the conditions that comes with the money being sent to them, the money will stop coming in. The state agency knew that was the outcome going in and they stopped anyway. They made their bed, now they should lay in it.
 
2013-07-13 11:47:47 AM
Mmm...Happy Family Dinner

www.placesintown.com

Off to get Chinese for lunch.
 
2013-07-13 11:48:15 AM

bronyaur1: There is no reason on EARTH why tax monies should fund unhealthy meals for kids, either directly or via government assistance programs.  You want your kids to eat crap?  Then YOU pay for it.


www.troll.me
 
2013-07-13 11:50:53 AM
Wow I made the mistake of reading some of the comments on that article. I feel stupider.
 
2013-07-13 11:51:35 AM
"They're teaching our kids with this meal pattern that it's OK to throw away," [Lori Shofroth, Tippecanoe School Corp.'s food service director] told JCOnline.

If only there were some sort of institution with the job of teaching kids positive behavior.
 
2013-07-13 11:52:21 AM

RexTalionis: The Federal Government typically can't directly mandate states or local agencies to do certain things, but they can offer money and incentives with the condition that you follow certain rules - for example, serving healthy food to students or having a certain speed limit on the major highways.

When state and local agencies stop following the conditions that comes with the money being sent to them, the money will stop coming in. The state agency knew that was the outcome going in and they stopped anyway. They made their bed, now they should lay in it.


I guess someone added the district's food service losses to  the federal money and got a negative number.

/And since when did school food  service directors consider themselves to be educators?
 
2013-07-13 11:52:33 AM
Somehow this goes back to parents not feeding their kids health meals at home.  Yet, the parents then blame the school/government for their bad choices.
 
2013-07-13 11:52:35 AM
They sound not only fat but like they deserve to be.
 
2013-07-13 11:53:52 AM
who could have guessed that kids away from the eyes of their parents don't want to eat healthy.

We ate pizza,hamburgers and hot dogs pretty much everyday in high school and we most of us were thin. Instead of wasting time/money on trying to get kids to eat better how about getting them outside and teach them how to play.
 
2013-07-13 11:55:22 AM
I wonder how much if it is because so many people only cook vegetables to be mushy piles of garbage?
 
2013-07-13 11:55:32 AM
Everyone in this country should be given food stamps, and only food stamp EBT cards should be legal tender for food.  Then Michelle would get her way.
 
2013-07-13 11:56:02 AM
Fark'em and feed'em fisheads?
 
2013-07-13 11:56:26 AM
Sounds like they're availing themselves of the democratic process.  With all the good little drones being pumped out these kids should get As automatically.

Or send in DHS to suppress the original thinkers.  One of the two.
 
2013-07-13 11:57:11 AM

Waldo Pepper: Instead of wasting time/money on trying to get kids to eat better how about getting them outside and teach them how to play.


You shut your whore mouth.
 
2013-07-13 11:57:24 AM
Not going to feed clicks to the Washington Times. Not interested in propaganda promulgated by the Unification Church.
 
2013-07-13 11:57:50 AM

BarkingUnicorn: I guess someone added the district's food service losses to the federal money and got a negative number.


This, schools can't even afford to serve frozen chicken nuggets correctly, do we really think they can prepare tasty healthy dishes?  Junk food lunches are very hard to screw up and even then it is not that bad, fresh healthy choices can be terrible if not prepared correctly.  A school district can not afford to hire a competent trained chef for every lunch room.
 
2013-07-13 11:57:56 AM

Waldo Pepper: who could have guessed that kids away from the eyes of their parents don't want to eat healthy.

We ate pizza,hamburgers and hot dogs pretty much everyday in high school and we most of us were thin. Instead of wasting time/money on trying to get kids to eat better how about getting them outside and teach them how to play.


This. We even had fried burritos, and there weren't that many fat kids. Of course, we had PE three times a week all the way through High School and the elementary kids had morning, lunch, and afternoon recess.

/Now hungry for a fried burrito
 
2013-07-13 11:58:09 AM
Why don't they just prevent the kids from leaving the ground in the middle of the day. Mine did starting my junior year. 1980
 
2013-07-13 11:59:25 AM
They're teaching our kids to waste food!
They're making us lose money because rich kids eat out!
Bad foods teach our kids to be fat!
Good food clogs our drains!
Obama does nothing!
Obama controls everything!
My ass holds a complaint for any event!
 
2013-07-13 12:00:09 PM

Once and Future Lurker: Why don't they just prevent the kids from leaving the ground in the middle of the day. Mine did starting my junior year. 1980


School grounds
 
2013-07-13 12:00:26 PM

bronyaur1: There is no reason on EARTH why tax monies should fund unhealthy meals for kids, either directly or via government assistance programs.  You want your kids to eat crap?  Then YOU pay for it.


This may be  the most reasonable comment I've ever read on the internet. Of course it will be mocked.

/ The stupid in the comments on that article really burns.
 
2013-07-13 12:01:29 PM
My kids are not picket eaters.
My oldest likes to eat veggies (my wife is a vegetarian).
He is not obese and is very active.
He hates the changes to the school lunch program.
He said that the portions are really small. For a teenage buy doing PE and marching band this was a big deal.
Most teen boys can burn alot of calories, especially when they are in their growth spurt.
His biggest complaint though it the taste. He told me that its all weird and disgusting trying to meet Michelle's stupid requirements.
I
 
2013-07-13 12:01:52 PM
The Federal Gov't
money
problems


/trending
 
2013-07-13 12:03:20 PM
Couldn't they just pack their own lunch consisting of every Lil Debbie variety they have to offer?  Oh, that takes work on behalf of the lazy kid.  Never mind.
 
2013-07-13 12:05:31 PM
Amy Anderson, the food service director for the school district, said the rules made her feel less like an educator and more like a "food cop." The changes have even made her consider retiring early.


You poor poor woman. Food service director is supposed to be an educator job, by the way? Would that not include education on healthy eating habits? Because I'm pretty damn sure you're failing there too.
 
2013-07-13 12:06:49 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Amy Anderson, the food service director for the school district, said the rules made her feel less like an educator and more like a "food cop." The changes have even made her consider retiring early.


You poor poor woman. Food service director is supposed to be an educator job, by the way? Would that not include education on healthy eating habits? Because I'm pretty damn sure you're failing there too.


She has a Ph.D. in steaming pizza.
 
2013-07-13 12:06:52 PM
Perhaps the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in school lunches.
 
2013-07-13 12:07:12 PM
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2013-07-13 12:07:33 PM
many students are throwing food away, putting a dent in the district's budget.

That's not how money works.  The food is paid for weather the kid eats it or not.  It doesn't magically cost more if the kid throws it out.
 
2013-07-13 12:10:35 PM

Waldo Pepper: who could have guessed that kids away from the eyes of their parents don't want to eat healthy.

We ate pizza,hamburgers and hot dogs pretty much everyday in high school and we most of us were thin. Instead of wasting time/money on trying to get kids to eat better how about getting them outside and teach them how to play.


You can outeat any amount of exercise. It's damned hard to burn 1000 extra calories but you can eat it in 20 minutes.

I'm with the people here who say put healthy food out and they can eat it or not. I haven't seen a child starve himself to death yet.
 
2013-07-13 12:13:00 PM

buzzcut73: Waldo Pepper: who could have guessed that kids away from the eyes of their parents don't want to eat healthy.

We ate pizza,hamburgers and hot dogs pretty much everyday in high school and we most of us were thin. Instead of wasting time/money on trying to get kids to eat better how about getting them outside and teach them how to play.

This. We even had fried burritos, and there weren't that many fat kids. Of course, we had PE three times a week all the way through High School and the elementary kids had morning, lunch, and afternoon recess.

/Now hungry for a fried burrito



So did I. But then again, what I ate for breakfast and dinner was usually healthier. And back then, if I had a Coke with lunch, it was a 12 oz. can, not a 32 oz. Big Gulp.

For a lot of kids today, virtually every meal they eat is largely crap. And that crap is even more loaded with sugar, salt, and fat then it was back when I was a kid.
 
2013-07-13 12:15:33 PM
F*cking democracy. Damn the majority for not accepting what's best for them. If only one person, preferably black, could have all of the power to decide everything for everyone. Then it would all be so much easier.
 
2013-07-13 12:17:27 PM
As someone who works lunch duty every day in an elementary school, here's a news flash - they're ALREADY throwing so much stuff away it's sickening.  That includes all that healthy stuff that parents pack for them.  I'm also trying to figure out how kids throwing stuff away, that they already paid for, is costing the school district money.  I can see not as many kids buying a lunch but then the schools should know their numbers and not  prepare as much and they still aren't out the money.
 
2013-07-13 12:18:33 PM

LargeCanine: Perhaps the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in school lunches.


No school district is required to accept federal funds for their school lunch program but I wouldn't expect a large/black animal to be able to grasp something so nuanced.
 
2013-07-13 12:20:25 PM

BiblioTech: As someone who works lunch duty every day in an elementary school, here's a news flash - they're ALREADY throwing so much stuff away it's sickening.  That includes all that healthy stuff that parents pack for them.  I'm also trying to figure out how kids throwing stuff away, that they already paid for, is costing the school district money.  I can see not as many kids buying a lunch but then the schools should know their numbers and not  prepare as much and they still aren't out the money.


This is Fark. Your rationality has no place here. Begone.
 
2013-07-13 12:21:12 PM
No thank you. I refuse to read any article from Washington that says "Times" after it.
 
2013-07-13 12:22:12 PM
Face it school lunches even when it was something kids did like are barely eatable.
 
2013-07-13 12:22:54 PM
"I've got kids who can stop at Panera and pick up a sandwich that meets none of these criteria. I'm not maybe your typical school district, and they're assuming that every student doesn't have access to food, and that's incorrect in this community," Amy Anderson told the paper. "Our kids can just wait and just hop in their BMWs and go to McDonald's, which they're rebuilding, making it bigger."

Something tells me this school district isn't the best baseline by which to judge the program a success or a failure. On the other hand, they could just forbid outside fast food and leaving the school during lunch like my high school did.
That might be a bit better of an idea than the petulant whining that Moochelle Obambi dares want schools to serve healthy food so kids that eat there can eat healthy. It's like whining that the library shouldn't have a good selection of books/electronic media.
 
2013-07-13 12:23:04 PM

edmo: Imagonna guess those kids could afford to skip the meal. Starving kids are happy to eat whatever


And by God, "whatever" is what they're going to get! Don't people ever get weary of trying to perfect humanity, for its own good, of course?
 
2013-07-13 12:25:15 PM

stuffy: Face it school lunches even when it was something kids did like are barely eatable.


School lunches are essentially prison food in grade school or fast food in middle and high school. We could feed our kids decent meals and ensure that they get plenty of exercise but that costs money so apparently the response is "fark it, obesity is someone else's problem".
 
2013-07-13 12:25:47 PM

BiblioTech: As someone who works lunch duty every day in an elementary school, here's a news flash - they're ALREADY throwing so much stuff away it's sickening.  That includes all that healthy stuff that parents pack for them.  I'm also trying to figure out how kids throwing stuff away, that they already paid for, is costing the school district money.  I can see not as many kids buying a lunch but then the schools should know their numbers and not  prepare as much and they still aren't out the money.


I think the point is if they don't buy it, the district loses the funding that went into offering it. In private business it would be called losing market share.
 
2013-07-13 12:27:09 PM

gayb: F*cking democracy. Damn the majority for not accepting what's best for them. If only one person, preferably black, could have all of the power to decide everything for everyone. Then it would all be so much easier.


This has to be the most nonsensical side of this argument. How can you possibly argue that healthy government funded lunches distributed by a public school are tyranny but unhealthy government funded lunches distributed by a public school are FREEDOM? It makes no sense at all.
 
2013-07-13 12:30:58 PM
It's almost as if the government regulating personal behavior doesn't work.
 
2013-07-13 12:30:59 PM

TastyEloi: buzzcut73: Waldo Pepper: who could have guessed that kids away from the eyes of their parents don't want to eat healthy.

We ate pizza,hamburgers and hot dogs pretty much everyday in high school and we most of us were thin. Instead of wasting time/money on trying to get kids to eat better how about getting them outside and teach them how to play.

This. We even had fried burritos, and there weren't that many fat kids. Of course, we had PE three times a week all the way through High School and the elementary kids had morning, lunch, and afternoon recess.

/Now hungry for a fried burrito


So did I. But then again, what I ate for breakfast and dinner was usually healthier. And back then, if I had a Coke with lunch, it was a 12 oz. can, not a 32 oz. Big Gulp.

For a lot of kids today, virtually every meal they eat is largely crap. And that crap is even more loaded with sugar, salt, and fat then it was back when I was a kid.


Yay!  Everyone's right!!!  The amount of (over) processed foods has increased over the decades while the amount of physical activity has decreased.  If you're in your 30s - 50s, think about what you did after school as a kid.  Did you have 4hrs of homework (as seems to be the new "normal")?  I did not.  We got off school, ate a snack and then went and burned a couple thousand calories playing outside, riding bikes, etc.  There were very few "fat kids" in my school and as I recall every single one had morbidly obese parents (bad habits handed down).  Anyway, I believe the problem is a combination of poor diet contributing to lack of energy and the plethora of sedentary activities (is that an oxymoron) that kids engage in rather than the types of activities that burn calories.  My kids eat pretty healthy but they eat some crap too.  My goal is to teach them moderation and self regulation.  I will let them decide but I'll insert my two cents (and step in from time to time if they start to shift their diet to one of marshmallows and pork cracklins)  They also remain active and are both extremely fit.  My daughter (13yo) will be running a half marathon in the fall and my son (16yo) will be running a full with my wife and I.  I purposely let them eat garbage on Saturdays (our long run day) so they can learn just how miserable one can feel from eating such foods.  Anyway, this was a long and circuitous way to point out that kids will eat some trash but I believe you can teach them to eat healthy.  My goal is that when they move out on their own they'll have a pretty good level of self-discipline and a solid understanding of what to put in their pie holes.
 
2013-07-13 12:31:57 PM

odinsposse: gayb: F*cking democracy. Damn the majority for not accepting what's best for them. If only one person, preferably black, could have all of the power to decide everything for everyone. Then it would all be so much easier.

This has to be the most nonsensical side of this argument. How can you possibly argue that healthy government funded lunches distributed by a public school are tyranny but unhealthy government funded lunches distributed by a public school are FREEDOM? It makes no sense at all.


Parents  biatch all the time about the students not getting healthy enough lunches, and too much junk food being offered as snacks all the time in the district i work for.  So they get together, get rules placed within the district about what kind of food can be sold on school properties then  cry about not being able to sell cupcakes and crap during lunch for bake sales, and that their children aren't happy with being fed roasted chicken with a side salad instead of   nuggets and fries.
 
2013-07-13 12:32:13 PM
I work in a school.  Adult lunches are $3 and I get absolutely no more food or portion sizes than the kids do, whose lunches are $1.80.  Because of this, our school hardly has any teachers/staff that eat school lunch.  We bring our own stuff in or use our pathetic lunch breaks to run the .6 miles to "Fast Food Central" on our main road because all of us know that for $3 we can get full meals at McDonalds/Burger King/Taco Bell and go back to class on a full stomach.  The kids are screwed and can't go anywhere, but a lot of them now bring their own lunches, which wasn't the case a few years ago.I don't think it's just Carmel (richest city in Indiana btw so wtf are they whining about when it comes to money?) that is losing money on school lunches.  It's everywhere.  Improve portion sizes and prices and we'll have this discussion a couple years from now.
 
2013-07-13 12:32:34 PM

odinsposse: This has to be the most nonsensical side of this argument. How can you possibly argue that healthy government funded lunches distributed by a public school are tyranny but unhealthy government funded lunches distributed by a public school are FREEDOM? It makes no sense at all.


I'm pretty sure the arguement is that "healthy food is more expensive and the government shouldn't be wasting money serving expensive food to children" closely followed by "if they don't want to eat the cheapest food possible then they should bring their lunch". It's foolish but far too many people seem to think spending a dollar today to save two tomorrow is wasteful.
 
2013-07-13 12:33:52 PM

bronyaur1: There is no reason on EARTH why tax monies should fund unhealthy meals for kids, either directly or via government assistance programs.  You want your kids to eat crap?  Then YOU pay for it.


Because apparently those kids parents don't pay taxes.
 
2013-07-13 12:36:39 PM
once again i'm glad i'm old and have not kids.

there are obvious problems with obvious solutions that take X amount of dollars to implement. and yet we continually scrimp on revenue then complain about the outcome.
 
2013-07-13 12:37:56 PM

odinsposse: It makes no sense at all.


Yes it does. The government exists to serve. If people want to be served unhealthy lunches, the government had damn well do what the people want. Or it is tyranny.

If you can't get your mind around it, please refrain from voting, the process is lost on you.
 
2013-07-13 12:38:41 PM

Gene Masseth Jr.: Improve portion sizes and prices and we'll have this discussion a couple years from now.


My kid just finished grade school. Based on what I saw the kids being served for lunch I don't think price and portion size are the issue. I went and ate lunch with her a few times before I started making her lunches. Most of what I observed being fed to her schoolmates I would have had second thoughts about feeding to a dog.
 
2013-07-13 12:40:39 PM

gayb: Yes it does. The government exists to serve. If people want to be served unhealthy lunches, the government had damn well do what the people want. Or it is tyranny.


Thank you for demonstrating the fundamental flaw of democracy.
 
2013-07-13 12:40:46 PM

Curious: have not kids.


have no kids.

that will teach me to skip preview.
 
2013-07-13 12:41:09 PM
If kids hate school lunches so much and parents are so concerned, perhaps the parents could, I don't know, parent a bit and provide their kids with the microwave burritos or lunchables or whatever other crap they'd prefer to eat?  Kid's an athlete and needs a few more calories because of practices?  Send em to school with an extra snack or 2...and let's face it the majority of school kids are not hard core athletes with increased caloric requirements.

No matter what arguments are made about the gubment interfering in people's lives or Obama hate or "I ate french fries 3 times a day as a kid and I'm still skinny" the fact is that obesity is now a serious problem.  Fat kids are more likely to grow up to be fat adults.  The longer you're overweight, the more your metabolism changes so that what your body and brain register as a "normal" weight becomes higher and higher and you need more and more calories so you don't feel like you're hungry all the time.  This is why people who have been fat for a long time have trouble losing weight...their bodies have actually changed as the weight piled on and if they consumed the normal recommended daily calories they would feel like they were starving.

Kids learn their food preparation and eating habits form their parents.  Fat families aren't that way because of "genetics" or "glandular problems" (in all but a few  very rare cases)...it's because they learned that high calorie high fat meals are normal.  Since it's very difficult to get people to change the eating habits of a lifetime, introducing healthy food into schools is a way to try to break the cycle of unhealthy family eating habits and maybe doom a few less people to lives of obesity, diabetes, heart disease, and early death.

But hey, vegetables suck right?
 
2013-07-13 12:43:15 PM

gayb: odinsposse: It makes no sense at all.

Yes it does. The government exists to serve. If people want to be served unhealthy lunches, the government had damn well do what the people want. Or it is tyranny.

If you can't get your mind around it, please refrain from voting, the process is lost on you.


You think the unhealthy lunches were decided by some sort of vote? Do you actually remember being a kid and controlling what got served in your lunchroom?
 
2013-07-13 12:43:26 PM

Gene Masseth Jr.: I work in a school.  Adult lunches are $3 and I get absolutely no more food or portion sizes than the kids do, whose lunches are $1.80.  Because of this, our school hardly has any teachers/staff that eat school lunch.  We bring our own stuff in or use our pathetic lunch breaks to run the .6 miles to "Fast Food Central" on our main road because all of us know that for $3 we can get full meals at McDonalds/Burger King/Taco Bell and go back to class on a full stomach.  The kids are screwed and can't go anywhere, but a lot of them now bring their own lunches, which wasn't the case a few years ago.I don't think it's just Carmel (richest city in Indiana btw so wtf are they whining about when it comes to money?) that is losing money on school lunches.  It's everywhere.  Improve portion sizes and prices and we'll have this discussion a couple years from now.


omg the school lunch only costs $3??? I don't care how small or crappy it is, you can't get lunch around here for less than $10.

why don't you just buy two?
 
2013-07-13 12:43:52 PM

jaytkay: "They're teaching our kids with this meal pattern that it's OK to throw away," [Lori Shofroth, Tippecanoe School Corp.'s food service director] told JCOnline.

If only there were some sort of institution with the job of teaching kids positive behavior.


You mean home, right? Cuz the institution "public school" should only be about teaching literature, math, history, science, etc. behavior, morals, manners, ethics--all that should be ingrained into the kids BEFORE they hit school and reinforced or corrected by the parents. The schools should not focus time and energy on home training. If the kid isn't getting home trained, move it to the alternative campus and put the responsibility back on the parents. Teachers have enough trouble teaching basics subjects much less acting as substitute parents.

/pet peeve
 
2013-07-13 12:43:57 PM
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2013-07-13 12:44:15 PM

Gene Masseth Jr.: I work in a school.  Adult lunches are $3 and I get absolutely no more food or portion sizes than the kids do, whose lunches are $1.80.  Because of this, our school hardly has any teachers/staff that eat school lunch.  We bring our own stuff in or use our pathetic lunch breaks to run the .6 miles to "Fast Food Central" on our main road because all of us know that for $3 we can get full meals at McDonalds/Burger King/Taco Bell and go back to class on a full stomach.  The kids are screwed and can't go anywhere, but a lot of them now bring their own lunches, which wasn't the case a few years ago.I don't think it's just Carmel (richest city in Indiana btw so wtf are they whining about when it comes to money?) that is losing money on school lunches.  It's everywhere.  Improve portion sizes and prices and we'll have this discussion a couple years from now.


You'd probably like our kitchen then. While we do offer the same meals to the teachers we also have what you'd find in most delis here as well.  Fresh salads, wraps, a special hot meal or two and a soup of some sort in the colder months.  We do get some now and then that complain that we don't have a full menu for them despite they can drop by in the morning and place an order, rarely more then 4 bucks a meal in ny  metro prices. I'll tell them that's why we only have 3 stars.
 
2013-07-13 12:44:24 PM
This IS Indiana. What did you expect?
 
2013-07-13 12:45:00 PM

jjorsett: BiblioTech: As someone who works lunch duty every day in an elementary school, here's a news flash - they're ALREADY throwing so much stuff away it's sickening.  That includes all that healthy stuff that parents pack for them.  I'm also trying to figure out how kids throwing stuff away, that they already paid for, is costing the school district money.  I can see not as many kids buying a lunch but then the schools should know their numbers and not  prepare as much and they still aren't out the money.

I think the point is if they don't buy it, the district loses the funding that went into offering it. In private business it would be called losing market share.


Possible, but nowhere in the article itself does it say it is a loss of federal   funding.  Just that their budget took a hit from kids throwing food away and not buying lunches.  That could be a matter of making up too many lunches and wasting your resources.  I'm not sure how the funding is allocated but if it is on number of lunches served in the previous year, for example, then they could be faced with a drop in the funding for next year - but they are still serving fewer lunches to begin with so need less product.
 
2013-07-13 12:45:14 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: gayb: Yes it does. The government exists to serve. If people want to be served unhealthy lunches, the government had damn well do what the people want. Or it is tyranny.

Thank you for demonstrating the fundamental flaw of democracy.


tyranny of the majority?
 
2013-07-13 12:45:15 PM
FTFA: Fifteen percent of Indiana high school seniors were obese in 2011 - one of the highest rates in the nation.

Ban the students from bringing in outside food. Then, if they still continue on throwing away their government provided healthy food, they'll at least lose some weight by fasting for the day.
 
2013-07-13 12:45:29 PM
Since our culture moved on over to accepting this behavior and encouraging the cancerous spread of fast food, there's not a whole lot anyone can do about the results.

There's been some huge changes since I was a kid in school, which have led to a decrease in parental control and school authority. It culminates in things like this.

See, I recall when the first sub shop came into town. I also recall the landslide business the guy had once the High School, two blocks away, discovered him. Now you can buy subs all over the place.

We had three hamburger joints. Royal Castle. A&W and a privately owned one. Now, hamburger joints are all over the place, with several I've never even been to.

Pizza was an unknown food when my folks moved here. The first place to pop up was Pizza Hut (which really isn't Pizza anyhow) and now pizza places also are all over the place, including many small, single owner types. Plus the grocery stores have coolers just packed with frozen pizza in various forms.

Changes in the economy required both parents to work, so home made lunches dropped off. Big Business started directing advertisement to kids and selling them foods enhanced with sugars and crap to please their taste buds, knowing that kids are basically walking appetites.

Then all of your Rights Organizations stepped in and stripped authority from both the parents and the schools. That brought in the lawyers more than ready to sue over anything. So schools could not stop students from bringing in junk food.

Plus, the 70's financial crash and budget cuts allowed snack and junk food companies to invade the schools. See, they came up with the concept of putting in the machines, which had been forbidden, and the schools got a major chunk of the profits.

Since the Federal Government was slashing school budgets like crazy back then, schools jumped at the offer and now, it will take an act of congress to get the machines out.

I'm not a parent so I get to sit back and sneer at the mess you parents have created. The Big Thing in my time was the creation of T-shirts with images on them that the kids loved. That started in Daytona Beach, Fla.

Back then, we didn't have 500 TV channels and video games. Playing outside was healthy and mom's knew how to cook from scratch. The small, portable transistor radio was our 'cell phone' and the local library did a major business. Dad was less concerned with his stock portfolio and more interested in customizing the house for comfort and room and future grand kids.

Well, you reap what you sew.

My High School had an expert scratch biscuit maker and nearly daily she hand made huge batches of the delicious things for the students. Now, they all come designed to heat and eat. They don't taste as good either.
 
2013-07-13 12:46:51 PM

Waldo Pepper: who could have guessed that kids away from the eyes of their parents don't want to eat healthy.

We ate pizza,hamburgers and hot dogs pretty much everyday in high school and we most of us were thin. Instead of wasting time/money on trying to get kids to eat better how about getting them outside and teach them how to play.


Is that some sort of new app or something?
 
2013-07-13 12:47:14 PM

red5ish: Not going to feed clicks to the Washington Times. Not interested in propaganda promulgated by the Unification Church.


?WTF?
 
2013-07-13 12:49:36 PM
Curious: once again i'm glad i'm old and have not kids.

there are obvious problems with obvious solutions that take X amount of dollars to implement. and yet we continually scrimp on revenue then complain about the outcome.


Yup education, transportation, energy, water all the things that the people NEED the government for get skimped while the entitlement programs for farkers to lazy to work and the military/industrial complex for invading brown people get all the money they want
 
2013-07-13 12:50:09 PM

Once and Future Lurker: Why don't they just prevent the kids from leaving the ground in the middle of the day. Mine did starting my junior year. 1980


Then they'll get smarter. Ever heard of BRINGING your own lunch?
 
2013-07-13 12:50:41 PM

Gene Masseth Jr.: I work in a school. Adult lunches are $3 and I get absolutely no more food or portion sizes than the kids do...for $3 we can get full meals at McDonalds/Burger King/Taco Bell and go back to class on a full stomach... Improve portion sizes...


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2013-07-13 12:50:45 PM
The problem isn't the guidelines, as schools could prepare tasty food within those guidelines if they tried.

The problem is most school cafeterias don't even attempt to cook their own food.  The simply purchase frozen dinners and heat them, resulting in something that taste worst the the average frozen TV dinner.

The best way to ensure schools lunches are tasty is to require ALL of the administrators, teachers, and support staff (including the lunch ladies) to eat the same meals prepared for the students.
 
2013-07-13 12:53:31 PM
Wording is key.  The students can't possibly be so attached to their current menu. I doubt that they rejected the new ideas solely because they were healthier choices. School districts notoriously spend money on fancy architecture, snazzy animated signage, etc. and then cut from other areas to avoid red ink.
I don't know about anybody else but I'll take spinach salad over "american spring salad mix" any day.  (what the hell IS that dandelion leafy weed in there anyway?) It's cheap edible vegetative material that makes the bag heavier. That's what it is.
 
2013-07-13 12:54:30 PM

bronyaur1: There is no reason on EARTH why tax monies should fund unhealthy meals for kids, either directly or via government assistance programs.  You want your kids to eat crap?  Then YOU pay for it.


There's no reason my taxes WIC, EBT, etc. should pay for poor people to keep pumping out kids.  You want kids.  Then YOU pay for them.
 
2013-07-13 12:54:36 PM

lemortede: My kids are not picket eaters.
My oldest likes to eat veggies (my wife is a vegetarian).
He is not obese and is very active.
He hates the changes to the school lunch program.
He said that the portions are really small. For a teenage buy doing PE and marching band this was a big deal.
Most teen boys can burn alot of calories, especially when they are in their growth spurt.
His biggest complaint though it the taste. He told me that its all weird and disgusting trying to meet Michelle's stupid requirements.
I


Our district has salad bars in the jr high and high schools. They are popular cuz they put grilled chicken and baked breaded chkn on there to top the salads. Most of the girls seem to eat that or nothing, and a lot of the guys go and load up on the protein stuff not so much the greens. They charge by the ounce. Someone complained that the free and reduced lunch kids couldn't use it cuz of this (since theirs is a set meal). My answer: then send money or pack your kid a salad cuz on the lunch line he gets protein, veggies, fruit, dessert, and beverage so he ain't gonna starve: same ingredient different presentation.
 
2013-07-13 01:01:14 PM
It's odd to me that in these litigious times that kids are even allowed off campus in their BMWs during lunch.
 
2013-07-13 01:02:37 PM

Gene Masseth Jr.: I work in a school.  Adult lunches are $3 and I get absolutely no more food or portion sizes than the kids do, whose lunches are $1.80.  Because of this, our school hardly has any teachers/staff that eat school lunch.  We bring our own stuff in or use our pathetic lunch breaks to run the .6 miles to "Fast Food Central" on our main road because all of us know that for $3 we can get full meals at McDonalds/Burger King/Taco Bell and go back to class on a full stomach.  The kids are screwed and can't go anywhere, but a lot of them now bring their own lunches, which wasn't the case a few years ago.I don't think it's just Carmel (richest city in Indiana btw so wtf are they whining about when it comes to money?) that is losing money on school lunches.  It's everywhere.  Improve portion sizes and prices and we'll have this discussion a couple years from now.


Yes, schools should be teaching kids to eat larger portions of food.
 
2013-07-13 01:03:23 PM

Clemkadidlefark: [25.media.tumblr.com image 400x391]


Don't show Michelle that picture, he will get a beat down.
 
2013-07-13 01:03:37 PM

Deedeemarz: red5ish: Not going to feed clicks to the Washington Times. Not interested in propaganda promulgated by the Unification Church.

?WTF?


Never heard of the Moonies?
 
2013-07-13 01:04:46 PM

Deedeemarz: red5ish: Not going to feed clicks to the Washington Times. Not interested in propaganda promulgated by the Unification Church.

?WTF?


Google away.  The Moonies have owned the Times for something like  20 years now, it's hardly a secret.  They have something like 5% the circulation of the Washington Post (I'm sure its subsidized) but roughly as many greenlights as the Post (which is becoming a good thing as the post is going to monthly article limits).
 
2013-07-13 01:05:07 PM

Moopy Mac: Deedeemarz: red5ish: Not going to feed clicks to the Washington Times. Not interested in propaganda promulgated by the Unification Church.

?WTF?

Never heard of the Moonies?


Yeah, but I don't know what propaganda would be hidden in the text if a story about Indiana school lunches....unless SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES.
 
2013-07-13 01:06:14 PM

sex0r: bronyaur1: There is no reason on EARTH why tax monies should fund unhealthy meals for kids, either directly or via government assistance programs.  You want your kids to eat crap?  Then YOU pay for it.

There's no reason my taxes WIC, EBT, etc. should pay for poor people to keep pumping out kids.  You want kids.  Then YOU pay for them.


8/10. My guess is you are also an anti-abortion type of person.
 
2013-07-13 01:09:42 PM

bronyaur1: There is no reason on EARTH why tax monies should fund unhealthy meals for kids, either directly or via government assistance programs.  You want your kids to eat crap?  Then YOU pay for it.


This, and I find it odd that the parents against schools serving healthy meals (because "oh noes the food police!") are the exact same ones who grumble about what people buy with food stamps. The only reason they're against an effort to serve healthy meals and provide more exercise is because they don't like Obama. End of.
 
2013-07-13 01:12:58 PM

Moopy Mac: Gene Masseth Jr.: I work in a school.  Adult lunches are $3 and I get absolutely no more food or portion sizes than the kids do, whose lunches are $1.80.  Because of this, our school hardly has any teachers/staff that eat school lunch.  We bring our own stuff in or use our pathetic lunch breaks to run the .6 miles to "Fast Food Central" on our main road because all of us know that for $3 we can get full meals at McDonalds/Burger King/Taco Bell and go back to class on a full stomach.  The kids are screwed and can't go anywhere, but a lot of them now bring their own lunches, which wasn't the case a few years ago.I don't think it's just Carmel (richest city in Indiana btw so wtf are they whining about when it comes to money?) that is losing money on school lunches.  It's everywhere.  Improve portion sizes and prices and we'll have this discussion a couple years from now.

Yes, schools should be teaching kids to eat larger portions of food.


I am perfectly fine with the food they serve.  It really is healthy stuff.  Our school doesn't do anything fried.  It's either boiled or baked.  We had lots of fresh salad/greens and fruit.  I would love to eat MORE of that type of stuff, we just aren't getting served enough of it.  So, yes, actually, schools SHOULD be teaching our kids and everyone to eat larger portions of food.  Larger portions of HEALTHY food.  Who would ever complain about that or consider that a bad thing?
 
2013-07-13 01:13:23 PM
Good heavens! You aren't suggesting we take a few thousand dollars from the FOOTBALL program to pay for higher quality food, are you??
 
2013-07-13 01:20:10 PM

Deedeemarz: Yeah, but I don't know what propaganda would be hidden in the text if a story about Indiana school lunches....unless SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES.


You mean the subliminal photo of Michelle Obama accompanying the article?

Or is it the subliminal headline "Indiana school district loses $300K because students refuse to buy first lady's healthy meals"?
 
2013-07-13 01:20:11 PM

Waldo Pepper: Instead of wasting time/money on trying to get kids to eat better how about getting them outside and teach them how to play.


This is actually the other half of the plan.
 
2013-07-13 01:21:42 PM
GoldSpider: Good heavens! You aren't suggesting we take a few thousand dollars from the FOOTBALL BASKETBALL program to pay for higher quality food, are you??

FTFY It's Indiana, not the south.
 
2013-07-13 01:22:19 PM

show me: They eat shiat because their parents fed them shiat their whole lives. They don't bother to cook at home, they swing by and grab Mickey D's for the kids and then ignore their kids the rest of the night.

On a different topic, I am SO GODDAMN TIRED of seeing the dude with no shirt and a cowboy hat at the bottom of every farking story Fark links to.


- Install AdBlock
- Right-click on the offending image
- Block it.
 
2013-07-13 01:22:51 PM

Tom_Slick: BarkingUnicorn: I guess someone added the district's food service losses to the federal money and got a negative number.

This, schools can't even afford to serve frozen chicken nuggets correctly, do we really think they can prepare tasty healthy dishes?  Junk food lunches are very hard to screw up and even then it is not that bad, fresh healthy choices can be terrible if not prepared correctly.  A school district can not afford to hire a competent trained chef for every lunch room.


How many years of culinary training does it take to throw raw or frozen broccoli into a microwave for a few minutes?
 
2013-07-13 01:28:21 PM

supayoda: Tom_Slick: BarkingUnicorn: I guess someone added the district's food service losses to the federal money and got a negative number.

This, schools can't even afford to serve frozen chicken nuggets correctly, do we really think they can prepare tasty healthy dishes?  Junk food lunches are very hard to screw up and even then it is not that bad, fresh healthy choices can be terrible if not prepared correctly.  A school district can not afford to hire a competent trained chef for every lunch room.

How many years of culinary training does it take to throw raw or frozen broccoli into a microwave for a few minutes?


Several if you don't want your broccoli turning into a gelatinous goo on the steam table.  Go to a Chinese buffet, 2 hours after the lunch rush, those steamed veggies were fresh once would you eat them now?
 
2013-07-13 01:28:32 PM

GoldSpider: Good heavens! You aren't suggesting we take a few thousand dollars from the FOOTBALL program to pay for higher quality food, are you??


Now that's just crazy talk.
 
2013-07-13 01:31:12 PM

Warlordtrooper: many students are throwing food away, putting a dent in the district's budget.

That's not how money works.  The food is paid for weather the kid eats it or not.  It doesn't magically cost more if the kid throws it out.


They are leaving out how many of the school lunches are free theses days. In these cases food is bought by the school put on the plate for no charge to the student, then it gets thrown away and the kid spends $10 on junk food after school. And yes, the free lunch program is that screwed up where kids driving BMW's get free lunch.
 
2013-07-13 01:35:37 PM
But Michelle knows that growing children need to eat their Gach, Heart of Targ, Zilm'kach, and Rokeg blood pie for dessert.


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2013-07-13 01:36:03 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: stuffy: Face it school lunches even when it was something kids did like are barely eatable.

School lunches are essentially prison food in grade school or fast food in middle and high school. We could feed our kids decent meals and ensure that they get plenty of exercise but that costs money so apparently the response is "fark it, obesity is someone else's problem".


School meals were horrible when I was in school, even if they were junk food. As much as I still love pizza, I would never eat that square frozen thing they called pizza. I always brought my lunch (usually a Lunchables). For that reason, I sent a lunch from home with my daughter to spare her the horror. The darndest thing happened... She actually asked me if she could buy the school lunches!

So I checked out her school lunch menu... Grilled chicken sandwiches on whole wheat buns, salad bar, baked potato bar, turkey roll ups, whole wheat spaghetti... A lot of it sounded pretty appetising, and they still have pizza and hamburgers on Fridays.
 
2013-07-13 01:39:10 PM
rindeee:

Yay!  Everyone's right!!!  The amount of (over) processed foods has increased over the decades while the amount of physical activity has decreased.  If you're in your 30s - 50s, think about what you did after school as a kid.   Did you have 4hrs of homework (as seems to be the new "normal")?  I did not.  We got off school, ate a snack and then went and burned a couple thousand calories playing outside, riding bikes, etc.  There were very few "fat kids" in my school and as I recall every single one had morbidly obese parents (bad habits handed down).  Anyway, I believe the problem is a combination of poor diet contributing to lack of energy and the plethora of sedentary activities (is that an oxymoron) that kids engage in rather than the types of activities that burn calories.  My kids eat pretty healthy but they eat some crap too.  My goal is to teach them moderation and self regulation.  I will let them decide but I'll insert my two cents (and step in from time to time if they start to shift their diet to one of marshmallows and pork cra ...

I suspect this is because they're not actually doing any of the work in class. I've seen some of the homework various kids (not mine) have brought home, it's actually easier than what we were given at that age, and they seem to struggle more and take longer doing it, so I don't think it's increased academic rigor. Something along the line seems to have gotten fubared, and I don't know if it's never having learned the basics or what.
 
2013-07-13 01:39:37 PM
I wasn't aware that the First Lady had the kind of legislative power to implement programs like this and make them mandatory across the nation.

Learn somethin' everyday.
 
2013-07-13 01:40:01 PM
This is about Moochel's food program. No surprise.

Hey, I say cut all food programs. If the kids family can't afford to feed them, don't feed them.
 
2013-07-13 01:41:56 PM
Not eating the lunches, yet 15% are still obese?  Yeah, blame M. Obama for that, too...
 
2013-07-13 01:45:25 PM

Tom_Slick: This, schools can't even afford to serve frozen chicken nuggets correctly, do we really think they can prepare tasty healthy dishes? Junk food lunches are very hard to screw up and even then it is not that bad, fresh healthy choices can be terrible if not prepared correctly. A school district can not afford to hire a competent trained chef for every lunch room.


Exactly.  You have to be a lot more careful preparing healthy stuff to get a good result.  I remember back in school most of the fruits and veggies were awful, not because I didn't like them but because they were prepared so badly.  If you want kids to eat healthy fix the kitchens first!

JeffreyScott: The problem isn't the guidelines, as schools could prepare tasty food within those guidelines if they tried.

The problem is most school cafeterias don't even attempt to cook their own food. The simply purchase frozen dinners and heat them, resulting in something that taste worst the the average frozen TV dinner.

The best way to ensure schools lunches are tasty is to require ALL of the administrators, teachers, and support staff (including the lunch ladies) to eat the same meals prepared for the students.


Yeah, that would get decent food.
 
2013-07-13 01:49:14 PM

odinsposse: You think the unhealthy lunches were decided by some sort of vote?


I didn't attend public school in the USA, but I assume the parents have a say. I assume it comes down to a vote in the end.
 
2013-07-13 01:49:43 PM

meintx2001: This is about Moochel's food program. No surprise.

Hey, I say cut all food programs. If the kids family can't afford to feed them, don't feed them.


This is so weak it dropped the weights on itself and is slowly choking to death.
 
2013-07-13 01:50:32 PM

meintx2001: This is about Moochel's food program. No surprise.

Hey, I say cut all food programs. If the kids family can't afford to feed them, don't feed them.


Good thinkin'. And when they die, we can feed 'em to the rich kids.
 
2013-07-13 01:50:41 PM

supayoda: So I checked out her school lunch menu... Grilled chicken sandwiches on whole wheat buns, salad bar, baked potato bar, turkey roll ups, whole wheat spaghetti... A lot of it sounded pretty appetising, and they still have pizza and hamburgers on Fridays.


For a few years the school lunch menu at my kids school sounded amazing. Of course there was a huge difference between what I thought of when I read the menu and what ended up on the plate. My kid wanted to eat the school lunch for a while too simply because her friends ate it. After about a month of it she started hinting that she would rather have one of my bentos on some days. Over the course of another month, the times when she looked at the menu for the next day and asked for a bento increased. Eventually she was eating the school lunch once every couple weeks and asking for extra food in her box lunches so she could share with her friends.

Once they stopped doing the locally sourced real food lunches the menu degenerated to "mac and cheese with breaded chicken patty" and "cheese rollup with fruit cup (in heavy syrup)".

"Grilled chicken sandwich on whole wheat bun" was on the menu at her school too. It consisted of a reheated frozen patty of processed chicken meat and a whole wheat hamburger bun. No lettuce, no tomato, no mayonnaise, no mustard, nothing. What was on the menu was exactly what was served: one reheated chicken patty and one hamburger bun.
 
2013-07-13 01:53:37 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Thank you for demonstrating the fundamental flaw of democracy.


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HKW
2013-07-13 01:54:50 PM

Capo Del Bandito: Fark'em and feed'em fisheads?


My Vietnamese lady would approve of this.

/her favorite is the eyes
 
HKW
2013-07-13 01:55:50 PM
My Vietnamese lady would approve of this.

/her favorite is the eyes
 
2013-07-13 01:55:51 PM

gayb: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Thank you for demonstrating the fundamental flaw of democracy.

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I haven't followed south park for a few years. You'll have to use your words.
 
2013-07-13 01:57:18 PM
According to the comments, its all "MOO(CHER)SHELL"s fault.

What is it with the first lady hate over mandating the serving nutritious food in schools?
 
2013-07-13 01:59:20 PM
Almea Tarrant:

But hey, vegetables suck right?

Yes, they do.  They are gross and disgusting.  There are very few vegetables that do not make me gag, no matter how they are prepared.  Cauliflower is just there to make the broccoli look good.  But you know what?  Because they are healthy, I choke them down anyway because my parents taught me healthy eating habits.

I think that the time it takes to prep healthy meals cooked on site and the cost are prohibitive in most school settings.  It would be great if there was time to make everything fresh on-site and serve it.  There have, I believe, been studies done where this was attempted and there were improvements in student behavior and test scores.  You would think that this would be an incentive to try and make it work elsewhere.

Offering healthier choices for school lunches is a great idea, if the kids will eat them and it's only part of the solution.  I think that there also needs to be more done in educating parents about nutrition.  Also, kids need to be given more time to run around and be active.  There are a number of benefits to that, aside from helping with the obesity epidemic.  I have noticed when I take my students to walk/run the track a few times daily, we have fewer discipline issues and they are just generally in better moods overall.
 
2013-07-13 02:00:15 PM

Koodz: Waldo Pepper: who could have guessed that kids away from the eyes of their parents don't want to eat healthy.

We ate pizza,hamburgers and hot dogs pretty much everyday in high school and we most of us were thin. Instead of wasting time/money on trying to get kids to eat better how about getting them outside and teach them how to play.

You can outeat any amount of exercise. It's damned hard to burn 1000 extra calories but you can eat it in 20 minutes.


You're not wrong, but consider this: Do you think the average American eats more calories today than 100 years ago, or fewer?

/about 600 fewer per day. Americans are fat because they are sedentary.
 
2013-07-13 02:03:38 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: You'll have to use your words.


Something about how if you don't like it, then you can git out.

I think tyranny of the majority can definitely be a problem. But this lunch thing is not one of them. Choice has not been removed. In a non-cosmic sort of way.
 
2013-07-13 02:07:11 PM

0per: Wording is key.  The students can't possibly be so attached to their current menu. I doubt that they rejected the new ideas solely because they were healthier choices. School districts notoriously spend money on fancy architecture, snazzy animated signage, etc. and then cut from other areas to avoid red ink.
I don't know about anybody else but I'll take spinach salad over "american spring salad mix" any day.  (what the hell IS that dandelion leafy weed in there anyway?) It's cheap edible vegetative material that makes the bag heavier. That's what it is.


Baby arugula. I buy entire bags of the stuff.
 
2013-07-13 02:07:57 PM

supayoda: 0per: Wording is key.  The students can't possibly be so attached to their current menu. I doubt that they rejected the new ideas solely because they were healthier choices. School districts notoriously spend money on fancy architecture, snazzy animated signage, etc. and then cut from other areas to avoid red ink.
I don't know about anybody else but I'll take spinach salad over "american spring salad mix" any day.  (what the hell IS that dandelion leafy weed in there anyway?) It's cheap edible vegetative material that makes the bag heavier. That's what it is.

Baby arugula. I buy entire bags of the stuff.


Nature's inferior floss substitute.
 
2013-07-13 02:12:16 PM
Maybe I'm just naive or bad at math or something, but...

If I buy food from you, and then throw it away, how did you lose money?
 
2013-07-13 02:14:39 PM

Tom_Slick: supayoda: Tom_Slick: BarkingUnicorn: I guess someone added the district's food service losses to the federal money and got a negative number.

This, schools can't even afford to serve frozen chicken nuggets correctly, do we really think they can prepare tasty healthy dishes?  Junk food lunches are very hard to screw up and even then it is not that bad, fresh healthy choices can be terrible if not prepared correctly.  A school district can not afford to hire a competent trained chef for every lunch room.

How many years of culinary training does it take to throw raw or frozen broccoli into a microwave for a few minutes?

Several if you don't want your broccoli turning into a gelatinous goo on the steam table.  Go to a Chinese buffet, 2 hours after the lunch rush, those steamed veggies were fresh once would you eat them now?


I can give you the results from my own kitchen. I've never had any culinary training, and I can throw a bag of fresh broccoli florets into the microwave oven on 3-4 minutes. Perfect every time. It's really not that difficult.
 
2013-07-13 02:18:02 PM
If the kids refuse to eat it , It doesn't matter how healthy it is , a balance must be struck.
 
2013-07-13 02:19:58 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: supayoda: So I checked out her school lunch menu... Grilled chicken sandwiches on whole wheat buns, salad bar, baked potato bar, turkey roll ups, whole wheat spaghetti... A lot of it sounded pretty appetising, and they still have pizza and hamburgers on Fridays.

For a few years the school lunch menu at my kids school sounded amazing. Of course there was a huge difference between what I thought of when I read the menu and what ended up on the plate. My kid wanted to eat the school lunch for a while too simply because her friends ate it. After about a month of it she started hinting that she would rather have one of my bentos on some days. Over the course of another month, the times when she looked at the menu for the next day and asked for a bento increased. Eventually she was eating the school lunch once every couple weeks and asking for extra food in her box lunches so she could share with her friends.

Once they stopped doing the locally sourced real food lunches the menu degenerated to "mac and cheese with breaded chicken patty" and "cheese rollup with fruit cup (in heavy syrup)".

"Grilled chicken sandwich on whole wheat bun" was on the menu at her school too. It consisted of a reheated frozen patty of processed chicken meat and a whole wheat hamburger bun. No lettuce, no tomato, no mayonnaise, no mustard, nothing. What was on the menu was exactly what was served: one reheated chicken patty and one hamburger bun.


I've not encountered this and even visited her school lunchroom on a few occasions. It's actually pretty good here, though that could be the result of a more competent school administration and lunchroom staff. It's been two years so far, and she hasn't asked to go back to homemade lunches. I've tried to get her off the cafeteria stuff, but she loves it.
 
2013-07-13 02:22:17 PM

gayb: Something about how if you don't like it, then you can git out.

I think tyranny of the majority can definitely be a problem. But this lunch thing is not one of them. Choice has not been removed. In a non-cosmic sort of way.


I think recognizing that the majority may not always be qualified or motivated to make the best long term choices is why we have a representative democracy rather than a direct democracy.

In this instance, I think it's foolish to cater to the preferences of the masses especially when the masses in question are children. When my kid was little I supported her choice not to eat what I'd prepared for her. She rapidly learned that her options were what was on her plate or hunger. Consequently, she has a much more refined palate than her peers, doesn't immediately dive for the fast food, and isn't a little porker like half the kids in her class.

In public school the choice should be healthy food in moderate proportions, a sack lunch, or hunger.
 
2013-07-13 02:26:31 PM

supayoda: I can give you the results from my own kitchen. I've never had any culinary training, and I can throw a bag of fresh broccoli florets into the microwave oven on 3-4 minutes. Perfect every time. It's really not that difficult.


Great now go put them on a steam table for 2 hours oh and you have to microwave 50 pounds worth.
 
2013-07-13 02:39:58 PM

Tom_Slick: Great now go put them on a steam table for 2 hours oh and you have to microwave 50 pounds worth.


You're right, it's impossible to feed schoolchildren well prepared and healthy meals which is why school lunches in Japan look like this:

czechmatediary.com

files.blogter.hu

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-13 02:44:34 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Tom_Slick: Great now go put them on a steam table for 2 hours oh and you have to microwave 50 pounds worth.

You're right, it's impossible to feed schoolchildren well prepared and healthy meals which is why school lunches in Japan look like this:

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Perhaps it has something to do with Japan spending actual money on their schools?

Plus, there's no Japanese version of Michelle Obama trying nanny things up.
 
2013-07-13 02:45:47 PM

Once and Future Lurker: Why don't they just prevent the kids from leaving the ground in the middle of the day. Mine did starting my junior year. 1980


Sure and when that does not work just have the school safety officer hold a gun to their heads until the eat their veggies.
Much better to teach them early not to resist government. EVER.
 
2013-07-13 02:46:49 PM
Click on that link you unthinking dopes. Zombie Moon needs a new crown.

bibleprobe.com
 
2013-07-13 02:46:51 PM
Serve whatever is the daily blueplate special in the Senate dining room or the White House Mess.
thank me later!
 
2013-07-13 02:47:56 PM
Increase PE and work harder on making good food, dammit.

feed the kids foods like multigrain pizza, fresh fruit salad, low fat cupcakes, healthy chicken nuggets, seasoned baked fries, and unlimited salad bars with good sources of protein and fresh ingredients that tempt kids. Give them smaller plates but let them go back for more until they're satisfied. Charge them a dollar fifty. Yes, you can get fat on good food but the point is to get them away from high carb/high fat combinations at least part of the day. Lots of fresh choices means they'll find something healthy they like, and then you can work your way through learning what this years kids eat.
 
2013-07-13 02:48:42 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Tom_Slick: Great now go put them on a steam table for 2 hours oh and you have to microwave 50 pounds worth.

You're right, it's impossible to feed schoolchildren well prepared and healthy meals which is why school lunches in Japan look like this:

[czechmatediary.com image 400x300]

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Any one of those would cost $12.99 at the local sushi joint.
 
2013-07-13 02:49:02 PM

TV's Vinnie: Perhaps it has something to do with Japan spending actual money on their schools?


I'd agree that the Japanese probably have a different perspective on their children and education.

Plus, there's no Japanese version of Michelle Obama trying nanny things up.

So we feed our kids prison food for school lunches because Michelle Obama and the nanny state? How does that work?
 
2013-07-13 02:50:21 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Tom_Slick: Great now go put them on a steam table for 2 hours oh and you have to microwave 50 pounds worth.

You're right, it's impossible to feed schoolchildren well prepared and healthy meals which is why school lunches in Japan look like this:

[czechmatediary.com image 400x300]

[files.blogter.hu image 500x375]

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x283]


I'll bet Japan actually hires real professionally trained chefs for their schools.  US schools don't.
 
2013-07-13 02:50:33 PM

Gene Masseth Jr.: I work in a school.  Adult lunches are $3 and I get absolutely no more food or portion sizes than the kids do, whose lunches are $1.80.  Because of this, our school hardly has any teachers/staff that eat school lunch.  We bring our own stuff in or use our pathetic lunch breaks to run the .6 miles to "Fast Food Central" on our main road because all of us know that for $3 we can get full meals at McDonalds/Burger King/Taco Bell and go back to class on a full stomach.  The kids are screwed and can't go anywhere, but a lot of them now bring their own lunches, which wasn't the case a few years ago.I don't think it's just Carmel (richest city in Indiana btw so wtf are they whining about when it comes to money?) that is losing money on school lunches.  It's everywhere.  Improve portion sizes and prices and we'll have this discussion a couple years from now.


I think you discovered the way to break this cycle. Force the teachers & staff to eat the same steam trays of stinking broccoli and rubbery string bean lunches that are being shoved down the kids' throats. The teachers unions will throw a sh*tfit and by the next month it'll be back to pizzas and corns dogs.
 
2013-07-13 02:52:31 PM

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Increase PE and work harder on making good food, dammit.


Sorry kids. No time for you to learn anything. You gotta do more calisthenics. It'll come in handy when you do nothing but work a lever back & forth all day at your future job.
 
2013-07-13 02:53:55 PM

TV's Vinnie: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Increase PE and work harder on making good food, dammit.

Sorry kids. No time for you to learn anything. You gotta do more calisthenics. It'll come in handy when you do nothing but work a lever back & forth all day at your future job.


Like they would learn anything outside of how to pass a CRCT test anyway.
 
2013-07-13 02:55:07 PM

pdee: Once and Future Lurker: Why don't they just prevent the kids from leaving the ground in the middle of the day. Mine did starting my junior year. 1980

Sure and when that does not work just have the school safety officer hold a gun to their heads until the eat their veggies.
Much better to teach them early not to resist government. EVER.


As a kid, I hated stewed tomatoes. In fifth grade, my officious teacher (Mrs. Menzel) took the time to further my education by insisting I eat my serving of them which had grown cold. After a Mexican stand-off she got her way, but I gagged and then vomited on her shoes. Perhaps we both learned something.
 
2013-07-13 02:55:24 PM

Tom_Slick: I'll bet Japan actually hires real professionally trained chefs for their schools.  US schools don't.


You don't need a chef since nothing in those pictures is remotely challenging to prepare. Any reasonably experienced cooking staff could prepare those meals for a school lunch program.
 
2013-07-13 02:56:31 PM

TV's Vinnie: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Increase PE and work harder on making good food, dammit.

Sorry kids. No time for you to learn anything. You gotta do more calisthenics. It'll come in handy when you do nothing but work a lever back & forth all day at your future job.


Children learn better when they get regular exercise.
 
2013-07-13 03:00:00 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: TV's Vinnie: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Increase PE and work harder on making good food, dammit.

Sorry kids. No time for you to learn anything. You gotta do more calisthenics. It'll come in handy when you do nothing but work a lever back & forth all day at your future job.

Children learn better when they get regular exercise.


They learn that it hurts and it's stupid.
 
2013-07-13 03:02:28 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Tom_Slick: I'll bet Japan actually hires real professionally trained chefs for their schools.  US schools don't.

You don't need a chef since nothing in those pictures is remotely challenging to prepare. Any reasonably experienced cooking staff could prepare those meals for a school lunch program.


If it involves something more sophisticated than "stick it in the oven for 30 minutes and then take it out", you've never been in America. This is a nation that regards Sharknado as high class entertainment.
 
2013-07-13 03:25:43 PM

TV's Vinnie: If it involves something more sophisticated than "stick it in the oven for 30 minutes and then take it out", you've never been in America. This is a nation that regards Sharknado as high class entertainment.


US born and raised. The difference is that when I was a bachelor I got tired of pizza and hot pockets and actually learned how to cook. My housemates would throw a frozen pizza in the oven and wait for 30 minutes and in that time I'd cook pasta with tomato creme sauce or udon with stirfry vegetables and pork. Then they'd biatch that not only did eat better than they did but that I got laid more too.

/chicks dig competence
 
2013-07-13 03:36:40 PM

nmemkha: According to the comments, its all "MOO(CHER)SHELL"s fault.

What is it with the first lady hate over mandating the serving nutritious food in schools?


WE GET IT, SHE'S BLACK.

Zat answer the question?

/if she did nothing, she'd be accused of stuffing the kids' faces with fried chicken, chitterlings, and bacon-soaked collard greens
 
2013-07-13 03:40:08 PM
TV's Vinnie:
Plus, there's no Japanese version of Michelle Obama trying nanny things up.

Never actually MET a Japanese grandmother, have you?
/or worse, a Japanese father.  There's a reason "High Expectations Asian Father" is a meme whitebreads think is funny
//I'm half Japanese, guess which half...
 
2013-07-13 03:41:18 PM

maxx2112: bronyaur1: There is no reason on EARTH why tax monies should fund unhealthy meals for kids, either directly or via government assistance programs.  You want your kids to eat crap?  Then YOU pay for it.

[www.troll.me image 552x414]


Well, I tend to agree with him, and I know I'm not trolling, but I can't completely rule out stupid.  So maybe that sheds some insight into the question.

To be a little more specific, tax monies should be spent to provide students with healthful meals, and if they can be both healthful and delicious, great.  There's even room for some trade-off and compromise: for example, pizza once in a while, not just tofu salad every day.  But if schools are using government funds to provide students with healthful meals which the students are merely throwing away, then we do indeed have a problem we need to resolve somehow.

Is that really something so obviously trollish or stupid to say?  And does it strike you as completely at odds with what bronyaur1 was saying?
 
2013-07-13 03:42:02 PM

Tom_Slick: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Tom_Slick: Great now go put them on a steam table for 2 hours oh and you have to microwave 50 pounds worth.

You're right, it's impossible to feed schoolchildren well prepared and healthy meals which is why school lunches in Japan look like this:

[czechmatediary.com image 400x300]

[files.blogter.hu image 500x375]

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x283]

I'll bet Japan actually hires real professionally trained chefs for their schools.  US schools don't.


Exactly. The average lunch lady is not capable of producing good tasting food like that to 500+ kids per day, on government funding, with government beans and cheese.

It's like an Army DFAC. The more they get to spend, the better quality food they can purchase. Better food, more people eat there. The more people eat there, the more they get to spend. Repeat cycle.
 
2013-07-13 03:42:52 PM

Waldo Pepper: We ate pizza,hamburgers and hot dogs pretty much everyday in high school and we most of us were thin. Instead of wasting time/money on trying to get kids to eat better how about getting them outside and teach them how to play.


You do understand that being thin and being healthy are not the same thing, yes?
 
2013-07-13 03:46:24 PM

Ishidan: //I'm half Japanese, guess which half...


The bottom half?
 
2013-07-13 03:48:02 PM

picturescrazy: I wonder how much if it is because so many people only cook vegetables to be mushy piles of garbage?


Don't ever go to the American Deep South.  What they do to vegetables there will make you cry.  And then demand a war-crimes tribunal.

My mother once was invited to a pot-luck dinner at a church in North Carolina.  When she arrived with a covered dish, several people worried out loud (presumably thinking she couldn't overhear them, but you never know) that she might have a "strange northern vegetable dish."

/Yes, I know strictly speaking NC isn't in the Deep South.
//What people in North Carolina do to vegetables is still an atrocity.
 
2013-07-13 03:49:10 PM

Ishidan: //I'm half Japanese, guess which half...


The left!
 
2013-07-13 03:54:54 PM

jaytkay: "They're teaching our kids with this meal pattern that it's OK to throw away," [Lori Shofroth, Tippecanoe School Corp.'s food service director] told JCOnline.


Actually, Lori, your staff is teaching the kids that's its okay to throw away food.  Back when I was in elementary school, a non-potato vegetable was served every day, and the lady by the tray-return window would send you back to your seat to eat the veggie.  If you did not like what was on the menu, you brought your lunch from home.

And to the North White school district, which lost $300,000 because the kids did not purchase their lunch:  is the taxpayer supposed to pay for meals that are not eaten?
 
2013-07-13 03:56:38 PM

ciberido: Don't ever go to the American Deep South.  What they do to vegetables there will make you cry.  And then demand a war-crimes tribunal.


No kidding. I remember the first time I came to visit my wife's family by day three I felt like I was sweating cooking oil from my pores. I didn't see a single vegetable that wasn't either deep fried or boiled to death and then smothered in some kind of high calorie sauce. When I got back to California the first thing I did was eat a gigantic salad.

/don't get me started on the pancake syrup they call tea
 
2013-07-13 03:56:52 PM

Warlordtrooper: many students are throwing food away, putting a dent in the district's budget.

That's not how money works.  The food is paid for weather the kid eats it or not.  It doesn't magically cost more if the kid throws it out.


Thank god somebody pointed this out.
 
2013-07-13 03:58:28 PM

LargeCanine: Perhaps the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in school lunches.


It needs to be involved, or a lot of kids won't get a decent meal at all that day, which in turn hurts their performance in school, as well as their long-term health.

And if you're ok with that, then, frankly, you're a pretty horrible excuse for a human being.
 
2013-07-13 03:58:43 PM

Tom_Slick: supayoda: Tom_Slick: BarkingUnicorn: I guess someone added the district's food service losses to the federal money and got a negative number.

This, schools can't even afford to serve frozen chicken nuggets correctly, do we really think they can prepare tasty healthy dishes?  Junk food lunches are very hard to screw up and even then it is not that bad, fresh healthy choices can be terrible if not prepared correctly.  A school district can not afford to hire a competent trained chef for every lunch room.

How many years of culinary training does it take to throw raw or frozen broccoli into a microwave for a few minutes?

Several if you don't want your broccoli turning into a gelatinous goo on the steam table.  Go to a Chinese buffet, 2 hours after the lunch rush, those steamed veggies were fresh once would you eat them now?


So... teach the lunch lady to use a clock?
 
2013-07-13 03:59:09 PM

Waldo Pepper: who could have guessed that kids away from the eyes of their parents don't want to eat healthy.

We ate pizza,hamburgers and hot dogs pretty much everyday in high school and we most of us were thin. Instead of wasting time/money on trying to get kids to eat better how about getting them outside and teach them how to play.


they can't do that because they cannot let the little runt kids get chosen last for the team, they cannot let some kid be "it" during tag, they cannot let the runt kid strike out, etc.  because it would hurt their self-esteem.  So instead, they stay inside, where each kid gets a trophy for coming to school that day.
 
2013-07-13 04:00:05 PM
How can you have any pudding if you won't eat your meat?
 
2013-07-13 04:04:19 PM

gayb: odinsposse: It makes no sense at all.

Yes it does. The government exists to serve. If people want to be served unhealthy lunches, the government had damn well do what the people want. Or it is tyranny.

If you can't get your mind around it, please refrain from voting, the process is lost on you.


Another example of a stupid person claiming that the one pointing out his stupidity is the stupid one.  A Fark classic.

Speaking of tyranny, read up on the concept of the "tyranny of the majority" and please refrain from posting until you can get your mind around it.
 
2013-07-13 04:08:16 PM

Waldo Pepper: who could have guessed that kids away from the eyes of their parents don't want to eat healthy.

We ate pizza,hamburgers and hot dogs pretty much everyday in high school and we most of us were thin. Instead of wasting time/money on trying to get kids to eat better how about getting them outside and teach them how to play.


You're kidding, right?!

Don't you know what's out there?!
It's the REAL WORLD
 
2013-07-13 04:08:51 PM

Deedeemarz: Moopy Mac: Deedeemarz: red5ish: Not going to feed clicks to the Washington Times. Not interested in propaganda promulgated by the Unification Church.

?WTF?

Never heard of the Moonies?

Yeah, but I don't know what propaganda would be hidden in the text if a story about Indiana school lunches....unless SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES.


The Moonies own the largest sushi distributor in the US. Study it out! (They really do)

/But really, it is a dangerous cult that owns a major newspaper. Even clicking on its pages is implicit support for its batshiat leadership.
 
2013-07-13 04:13:24 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: meintx2001: This is about Moochel's food program. No surprise.

Hey, I say cut all food programs. If the kids family can't afford to feed them, don't feed them.

Good thinkin'. And when they die, we can feed 'em to the rich kids.


I like your proposal.  It's modest.
 
2013-07-13 04:13:32 PM

Gene Masseth Jr.: Moopy Mac: Gene Masseth Jr.: I work in a school.  Adult lunches are $3 and I get absolutely no more food or portion sizes than the kids do, whose lunches are $1.80.  Because of this, our school hardly has any teachers/staff that eat school lunch.  We bring our own stuff in or use our pathetic lunch breaks to run the .6 miles to "Fast Food Central" on our main road because all of us know that for $3 we can get full meals at McDonalds/Burger King/Taco Bell and go back to class on a full stomach.  The kids are screwed and can't go anywhere, but a lot of them now bring their own lunches, which wasn't the case a few years ago.I don't think it's just Carmel (richest city in Indiana btw so wtf are they whining about when it comes to money?) that is losing money on school lunches.  It's everywhere.  Improve portion sizes and prices and we'll have this discussion a couple years from now.

Yes, schools should be teaching kids to eat larger portions of food.

I am perfectly fine with the food they serve.  It really is healthy stuff.  Our school doesn't do anything fried.  It's either boiled or baked.  We had lots of fresh salad/greens and fruit.  I would love to eat MORE of that type of stuff, we just aren't getting served enough of it.  So, yes, actually, schools SHOULD be teaching our kids and everyone to eat larger portions of food.  Larger portions of HEALTHY food.  Who would ever complain about that or consider that a bad thing?


Having normal sized portions of healthy food is great. Why does it need to be larger? You live/work in Northern Indiana. That's fat-central. Schools shouldn't be teaching kids to eat larger portions, even if it is extremely healthy. They should eat moderate portions of healthy food.

At the end of the day calories in and out are going to be what keeps your kids overweight/obese. They'll get the nutrients they need with moderate (to smaller) portions. Expanding those stomachs isn't going to keep them from that heart attack at 53 years of age.
 
2013-07-13 04:16:10 PM
So why exactly are they losing $300,000?

Is this money for healthy food that the kids don't eat?  Is it federal money?  Stop worrying about it so much,

I'd really like to know, but just too lazy to research it and either my reading comprehension failed me or the article didn't explain that.
 
2013-07-13 04:16:12 PM

Capo Del Bandito: Fark'em and feed'em fisheads?


Yes!  In the morning, laughing happy fish heads.  In the evening, floating in the soup!
 
2013-07-13 04:16:44 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Tom_Slick: Great now go put them on a steam table for 2 hours oh and you have to microwave 50 pounds worth.

You're right, it's impossible to feed schoolchildren well prepared and healthy meals which is why school lunches in Japan look like this:

[czechmatediary.com image 400x300]

[files.blogter.hu image 500x375]

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x283]

Any one of those would cost $12.99 at the local sushi joint.


The ingredients in the food in those pictures are extremely inexpensive. Heck, you could buy about any of those meals for less than $8 at a restaurant in central Tokyo and ingredients in the US are cheaper than in central Tokyo.
 
2013-07-13 04:17:19 PM

nmemkha: According to the comments, its all "MOO(CHER)SHELL"s fault.

What is it with the first lady hate over mandating the serving nutritious food in schools?


I don't know.  I can't explain it.  But I sure that neither racism nor misogyny are involved in any way whatsoever.
 
2013-07-13 04:17:34 PM

ciberido: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: meintx2001: This is about Moochel's food program. No surprise.

Hey, I say cut all food programs. If the kids family can't afford to feed them, don't feed them.

Good thinkin'. And when they die, we can feed 'em to the rich kids.

I like your proposal.  It's modest.


I can tell by your post that you've a Swift intellect. :)
 
2013-07-13 04:17:59 PM

Tymast: odinsposse: gayb: F*cking democracy. Damn the majority for not accepting what's best for them. If only one person, preferably black, could have all of the power to decide everything for everyone. Then it would all be so much easier.

This has to be the most nonsensical side of this argument. How can you possibly argue that healthy government funded lunches distributed by a public school are tyranny but unhealthy government funded lunches distributed by a public school are FREEDOM? It makes no sense at all.

Parents  biatch all the time about the students not getting healthy enough lunches, and too much junk food being offered as snacks all the time in the district i work for.  So they get together, get rules placed within the district about what kind of food can be sold on school properties then  cry about not being able to sell cupcakes and crap during lunch for bake sales, and that their children aren't happy with being fed roasted chicken with a side salad instead of   nuggets and fries.


Could be that it's two different groups  of parents.  How about allowing a kids a choice between both?  The parents who want the healthy lunches provided should be happy and the ones who don't always like the healthy option should also be happy.

Of course it's not about choice, is it?  It's about one group mandating the lunch standards for everyone then becoming indignant and incredulous when people balk at the type or composition of lunch provided.
 
2013-07-13 04:18:10 PM

ciberido: LargeCanine: Perhaps the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in school lunches.

It needs to be involved, or a lot of kids won't get a decent meal at all that day, which in turn hurts their performance in school, as well as their long-term health.

And if you're ok with that, then, frankly, you're a pretty horrible excuse for a human being.


Not to mention, in the long run those kids are going to be more costly to the tax-payers through future health costs, lack of education and incarceration costs.
 
2013-07-13 04:19:02 PM

grimlock1972: If the kids refuse to eat it , It doesn't matter how healthy it is , a balance must be struck.


Damnit, don't get any more of that "rational compromise" crap in my Fark thread.  I've already made popcorn.
 
2013-07-13 04:19:13 PM

ciberido: nmemkha: According to the comments, its all "MOO(CHER)SHELL"s fault.

What is it with the first lady hate over mandating the serving nutritious food in schools?

I don't know.  I can't explain it.  But I sure that neither racism nor misogyny are involved in any way whatsoever.


Remember when that nosy biatch Laura Bush was trying to get adults to learn how to read? The uproar was deafening.
 
2013-07-13 04:22:49 PM

ciberido: LargeCanine: Perhaps the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in school lunches.

It needs to be involved, or a lot of kids won't get a decent meal at all that day, which in turn hurts their performance in school, as well as their long-term health.

And if you're ok with that, then, frankly, you're a pretty horrible excuse for a human being.


Yep, the means and the ends are the same thing and anyone who questions the means is obviously opposed to the ends.  The federal government isn't the only entity capable of dealing with poverty or hunger.

The big problem is that the price for that involvement is them telling the schools what food to serve even when it's paid for with local/state money and not federal money.

If I need some help getting all the necessary food for breakfast or lunch and you decide that your help means you're entitled to dictate the content of all meals, as well as deciding that my kids can't eat unhealthy food at their friend's houses, I'm going to tire of your "help" and stop accepting it.
 
2013-07-13 04:22:55 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Tom_Slick: Great now go put them on a steam table for 2 hours oh and you have to microwave 50 pounds worth.

You're right, it's impossible to feed schoolchildren well prepared and healthy meals which is why school lunches in Japan look like this:

[czechmatediary.com image 400x300]

[files.blogter.hu image 500x375]

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x283]


I used to work in a public school in South Korea and ate lunch with the other teachers and students.  The school meals looked a lot like that.  Of course Korean cuisine is somewhat different than Japanese, but overall, yes, a lot like that.
 
2013-07-13 04:23:13 PM

pedrop357: Could be that it's two different groups of parents. How about allowing a kids a choice between both? The parents who want the healthy lunches provided should be happy and the ones who don't always like the healthy option should also be happy.

Of course it's not about choice, is it? It's about one group mandating the lunch standards for everyone then becoming indignant and incredulous when people balk at the type or composition of lunch provided.


Absolutely.

Also parents who don't like their kids complaining about homework and learning can choose video game time or television viewing for their young instead of reading and math.

You can't have elites forcing "standards" down our throats.
 
2013-07-13 04:23:17 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: TV's Vinnie: Perhaps it has something to do with Japan spending actual money on their schools?

I'd agree that the Japanese probably have a different perspective on their children and education.

Plus, there's no Japanese version of Michelle Obama trying nanny things up.

So we feed our kids prison food for school lunches because Michelle Obama and the nanny state? How does that work?


The Obamas are BLACK, you see. And Democrats. So Soshulism, etc.
 
2013-07-13 04:25:20 PM

Dragonflew: Ishidan: //I'm half Japanese, guess which half...

The left!


1.bp.blogspot.com
Approves.
 
2013-07-13 04:26:15 PM

pedrop357: ciberido: LargeCanine: Perhaps the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in school lunches.

It needs to be involved, or a lot of kids won't get a decent meal at all that day, which in turn hurts their performance in school, as well as their long-term health.

And if you're ok with that, then, frankly, you're a pretty horrible excuse for a human being.

Yep, the means and the ends are the same thing and anyone who questions the means is obviously opposed to the ends.  The federal government isn't the only entity capable of dealing with poverty or hunger.

The big problem is that the price for that involvement is them telling the schools what food to serve even when it's paid for with local/state money and not federal money.

If I need some help getting all the necessary food for breakfast or lunch and you decide that your help means you're entitled to dictate the content of all meals, as well as deciding that my kids can't eat unhealthy food at their friend's houses, I'm going to tire of your "help" and stop accepting it.


No you won't. I know your kind. You'd keep taking the free stuff, even if you didn't need it, and then throw it away, just to screw the libs. Because Freedom.
 
2013-07-13 04:26:38 PM

Dragonflew: Ishidan: //I'm half Japanese, guess which half...

The lreft!


FTFY.
 
2013-07-13 04:27:25 PM
Those kids sound fat.
 
2013-07-13 04:28:13 PM

ghare: pedrop357: ciberido: LargeCanine: Perhaps the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in school lunches.

It needs to be involved, or a lot of kids won't get a decent meal at all that day, which in turn hurts their performance in school, as well as their long-term health.

And if you're ok with that, then, frankly, you're a pretty horrible excuse for a human being.

Yep, the means and the ends are the same thing and anyone who questions the means is obviously opposed to the ends.  The federal government isn't the only entity capable of dealing with poverty or hunger.

The big problem is that the price for that involvement is them telling the schools what food to serve even when it's paid for with local/state money and not federal money.

If I need some help getting all the necessary food for breakfast or lunch and you decide that your help means you're entitled to dictate the content of all meals, as well as deciding that my kids can't eat unhealthy food at their friend's houses, I'm going to tire of your "help" and stop accepting it.

No you won't. I know your kind. You'd keep taking the free stuff, even if you didn't need it, and then throw it away, just to screw the libs. Because Freedom.


You know nothing about me.  But at least you confirmed that you have no argument against the point I raised.
 
2013-07-13 04:36:41 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: ciberido: Don't ever go to the American Deep South.  What they do to vegetables there will make you cry.  And then demand a war-crimes tribunal.

No kidding. I remember the first time I came to visit my wife's family by day three I felt like I was sweating cooking oil from my pores. I didn't see a single vegetable that wasn't either deep fried or boiled to death and then smothered in some kind of high calorie sauce. When I got back to California the first thing I did was eat a gigantic salad.

/don't get me started on the pancake syrup they call tea



I was living in North Carolina when a friend from Kansas came to visit.  This was some years back, when a restaurant named "Don Murry's" was still open in Raleigh.  It closed years ago, sadly.  The friend had never been to North Carolina before, or any part of the American South, for that matter, but he told me he wanted to try typical Carolinian food, so I took him to Don Murry's for Eastern North Carolina-style barbecue (pulled pork marinate din a vinegar-based sauce), very different from what Kansans think of as barbecue.

The first sign that we were going to have translation errors was when the waitress asked him what he wanted to drink.  He said simply "tea."  She asked him (possibly noting the lack of a Southern accent) whether he wanted "sweet or unsweet," and he replied, "Oh just regular."  I explained that he meant "unsweet."  After that, the biggest problem was that he couldn't find any barbecue.

Anyway, the joke used to be that if you were going to stir sweet tea for any reason (not that you would need to), do it quickly unless you wanted rock candy to form on the spoon.
 
2013-07-13 04:38:40 PM

pedrop357: Of course it's not about choice, is it?  It's about one group mandating the lunch standards for everyone then becoming indignant and incredulous when people balk at the type or composition of lunch provided.


No, it's not, but you keep right on enjoying your "Libruls are evil" fantasy.
 
2013-07-13 04:40:21 PM

pedrop357: ciberido: It needs to be involved, or a lot of kids won't get a decent meal at all that day, which in turn hurts their performance in school, as well as their long-term health.

And if you're ok with that, then, frankly, you're a pretty horrible excuse for a human being.

Yep, the means and the ends are the same thing and anyone who questions the means is obviously opposed to the ends.  The federal government isn't the only entity capable of dealing with poverty or hunger.

The big problem is that the price for that involvement is them telling the schools what food to serve even when it's paid for with local/state money and not federal money.

If I need some help getting all the necessary food for breakfast or lunch and you decide that your help means you're entitled to dictate the content of all meals, as well as deciding that my kids can't eat unhealthy food at their friend's houses, I'm going to tire of your "help" and stop accepting it.



Wow.  You REALLY enjoy building strawmen.
 
2013-07-13 04:42:35 PM

Ishidan: TV's Vinnie:
Plus, there's no Japanese version of Michelle Obama trying nanny things up.

Never actually MET a Japanese grandmother, have you?
/or worse, a Japanese father.  There's a reason "High Expectations Asian Father" is a meme whitebreads think is funny
//I'm half Japanese, guess which half...


I'm guessing on the mother's side. Right. Not too big a deal if the female gets dumped onto some gaijin, but if the Jmale side came home with a non Jfemale? The father will either disown him on the spot of give him a high-five, depending on the caste.

And I shouldn't be replying to you anyway, since you may be of the wrong blood type. ;)
 
2013-07-13 04:48:32 PM

pedrop357: ghare: No you won't. I know your kind. You'd keep taking the free stuff, even if you didn't need it, and then throw it away, just to screw the libs. Because Freedom.

You know nothing about me.  But at least you confirmed that you have no argument against the point I raised.



Well, I can tell you at least one thing that  ghare and I both DO know: you badly misrepresent what other people say to you when you respond, and similarly distort the positions of people with whom you do not agree, even when they weren't talking to you.  So either you're using these strawmen as a deliberate tactic, in which case you're very dishonest, or you genuinely are repeating what you thought they were saying, in which case you're kind of an idiot.

Either way, you're not really one with whom it's possible to have meaningful dialog.
 
2013-07-13 05:08:11 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: TV's Vinnie: If it involves something more sophisticated than "stick it in the oven for 30 minutes and then take it out", you've never been in America. This is a nation that regards Sharknado as high class entertainment.

US born and raised. The difference is that when I was a bachelor I got tired of pizza and hot pockets and actually learned how to cook. My housemates would throw a frozen pizza in the oven and wait for 30 minutes and in that time I'd cook pasta with tomato creme sauce or udon with stirfry vegetables and pork. Then they'd biatch that not only did eat better than they did but that I got laid more too.

/chicks dig competence


Go work in high volume short serving window kitchen. I have I worked at a conference center where we would have to serve 500-1000 patrons in a 2.5 hour window, everything you know about cooking goes out the window when cooking for a buffet.  The allowable food costs for that setting was $6.00 per guest, a hell of a lot more than schools are allowed to spend.  Food has to be prepared so it is cooked properly for patron #1 and not over cooked for patron #800.  The skill and training it takes to properly prepare meals in that environment took a head chef making $100k a year, a sous chef making $60k a year and line cooks making $18.00 per hour.  Schools can't or won't spend that much money.  But yeah since you can cook nutritious, good tasting meals at home for next to nothing totally means you can do it for 400 children 5 days a week, you should apply the next time the local school district has an opening for that $36,000 a year job.
 
2013-07-13 05:15:29 PM

gayb: odinsposse: You think the unhealthy lunches were decided by some sort of vote?

I didn't attend public school in the USA, but I assume the parents have a say. I assume it comes down to a vote in the end.


All schools have some say in how they administer lunches but they all also have to follow federal and state nutritional guidelines. This has been the case for decades. The government didn't grab any more power for this program. They have the exact same power they always did and are using it to make different choices. It is still silly to say a school choosing pizza is more or less tyrannical than a school choosing grilled chicken and rice.
 
Ral
2013-07-13 05:19:30 PM
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
 
2013-07-13 05:30:56 PM

Ral: You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.



"You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think."

-Dorothy Parker
 
2013-07-13 05:49:37 PM

RexTalionis: The Federal Government typically can't directly mandate states or local agencies to do certain things, but they can offer money and incentives with the condition that you follow certain rules - for example, serving healthy food to students or having a certain speed limit on the major highways.

When state and local agencies stop following the conditions that comes with the money being sent to them, the money will stop coming in. The state agency knew that was the outcome going in and they stopped anyway. They made their bed, now they should lay in it.


When you accept government money (in this case the Feds') you accept government control there is no free lunch (HA! ).

However it would be nice if we got the Federal government out of a place it has no business being-the school cafeteria.

It would be nice to put an end to the Federal School lunch program which is riddled with corruptions and fraud but you would just end up being accused of trying to starve kids.

Fraud in the Lunchroom

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2013-07-13 05:53:15 PM

ciberido: pedrop357: ghare: No you won't. I know your kind. You'd keep taking the free stuff, even if you didn't need it, and then throw it away, just to screw the libs. Because Freedom.

You know nothing about me.  But at least you confirmed that you have no argument against the point I raised.


Well, I can tell you at least one thing that  ghare and I both DO know: you badly misrepresent what other people say to you when you respond, and similarly distort the positions of people with whom you do not agree, even when they weren't talking to you.  So either you're using these strawmen as a deliberate tactic, in which case you're very dishonest, or you genuinely are repeating what you thought they were saying, in which case you're kind of an idiot.

Either way, you're not really one with whom it's possible to have meaningful dialog.


What did I misrepresent?  You said "It needs to be involved, or a lot of kids won't get a decent meal at all that day, which in turn hurts their performance in school, as well as their long-term health.

And if you're ok with that, then, frankly, you're a pretty horrible excuse for a human being.
"

Which is inline with the idea that the means and ends are inseparable as far you're concerned, and that you also apparently believe that only the federal government is capable of dealing with the problem.

I disagree, and point out that the problem isn't the federal government trying to help with hunger, it's conditioning that help on obeying a lot of mandates that don't have to do with feeding the hungry kids.

If this is about hungry kids, why doesn't the government simply require that the money used to fee hungry kids only goes towards certain kinds of meals?  That might be slightly questionable, but not as questionable as this idea that that schools and/or districts that don't replace all meals with healthy ones will not get help feeding the hungry kids.  This is inline with the example I provided about a person needing help with breakfast or lunch having to to comply with restrictions on dinner, snacks, and even meals at other kids houses (analagous to bake sales,etc.)
 
2013-07-13 06:05:50 PM

Tom_Slick: Go work in high volume short serving window kitchen. I have I worked at a conference center where we would have to serve 500-1000 patrons in a 2.5 hour window, everything you know about cooking goes out the window when cooking for a buffet.  The allowable food costs for that setting was $6.00 per guest, a hell of a lot more than schools are allowed to spend.  Food has to be prepared so it is cooked properly for patron #1 and not over cooked for patron #800.  The skill and training it takes to properly prepare meals in that environment took a head chef making $100k a year, a sous chef making $60k a year and line cooks making $18.00 per hour.  Schools can't or won't spend that much money.  But yeah since you can cook nutritious, good tasting meals at home for next to nothing totally means you can do it for 400 children 5 days a week, you should apply the next time the local school district has an opening for that $36,000 a year job.


If you can stop being a farking prick for 30 seconds you might realize that the pictures of those Japanese lunches I posted were prepared for 500-1000. I was simply pointing out that preparing them clearly isn't rocket science. I've got a friend who's a chef for a local conference center and she's pretty much in agreement with me.

There are two reasons we don't serve meals like that in US schools:

1. We don't properly fund school lunch programs both in terms of staffing and materials
2. We don't demand that the food for our kids lunches be comparable to our lunch

The first is primarily an issue with morons like hasty ambush who can't stand the thought that the US government might spend a penny on something other than blowing up brown people or training to blow up brown people.

The second is simply apathy. Most Americans are too damned wiped out after a week at work to go on a crusade against how shiatty our school systems have become.

But go ahead, keep whining that providing decent school lunches is hard and how I just don't understand. I've seen it done right and done well. There is no good reason we can't provide a decent farking meal for public school students and have to resort to reheated Salisbury steak and tater tots.
 
2013-07-13 06:06:48 PM

Eponine24601: Almea Tarrant:

But hey, vegetables suck right?

Yes, they do.  They are gross and disgusting.


For goodness sake, learn how to use spices in your cooking! It will make the flavour much more interesting. You can even use small amounts of salted meats finely chopped into the veggies as they are cooking to add an interesting flavour. Get creative and you will never look back.
 
2013-07-13 06:08:54 PM

Tom_Slick: Go work in high volume short serving window kitchen. I have I worked at a conference center where we would have to serve 500-1000 patrons in a 2.5 hour window, everything you know about cooking goes out the window when cooking for a buffet. The allowable food costs for that setting was $6.00 per guest, a hell of a lot more than schools are allowed to spend. Food has to be prepared so it is cooked properly for patron #1 and not over cooked for patron #800. The skill and training it takes to properly prepare meals in that environment took a head chef making $100k a year, a sous chef making $60k a year and line cooks making $18.00 per hour. Schools can't or won't spend that much money. But yeah since you can cook nutritious, good tasting meals at home for next to nothing totally means you can do it for 400 children 5 days a week, you should apply the next time the local school district has an opening for that $36,000 a year job.


Line cooks in buffets around here make a buck or two above minimum wage, if they're LUCKY (noting: we're talking something more akin to Subway/PF Changs/Chuckwagon, nothing special.... which is all kids f*cking need). There is no f*cking reason why schools need to pay such absurd costs for something that CAN, and in fact for years WAS, done for a lot less in school districts.

If local cooks at schools made $36,000 per year, there would be HUNDREDS of applicants. New TEACHERS don't even make that much around here.
 
2013-07-13 06:12:52 PM

ginkor: But Michelle knows that growing children need to eat their Gach, Heart of Targ, Zilm'kach, and Rokeg blood pie for dessert.


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That's ridiculous! Addiction to fast food, like addiction to smoking, is not a free choice. The fast food and tobacco companies spend millions tweaking their formulas to produce the maximum sense of satisfaction in the brain and the intense craving for more of the same product. Michelle Obama is not trying to make you her slave here- she is trying to LIBERATE you. Get it right, will you?
 
2013-07-13 06:13:00 PM

pedrop357: Yep, the means and the ends are the same thing and anyone who questions the means is obviously opposed to the ends.  The federal government isn't the only entity capable of dealing with poverty or hunger.


True enough but it is the only that appears to be both sufficiently funded and positioned to do the job. Sure, if you want wildly uneven results with little to no accountability, you can cross your fingers and hope that charity does the job.

People who are interested in results look to the one entity that is large enough to deal with the issue. People who are interested in ideology... well to be honest I don't know what the fark they're thinking since they're putting ideology before results.
 
2013-07-13 06:14:51 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: There are two reasons we don't serve meals like that in US schools:

1. We don't properly fund school lunch programs both in terms of staffing and materials
2. We don't demand that the food for our kids lunches be comparable to our lunch


I honestly believe there's a lot of money in Washington that ensures school districts continue to receive garbage that's been processed all to hell or delivered from the right suppliers... similar to the reason that milk is, apparently, the only default drink for kids in schools.

America has set up the financial system so that it's almost impossible to do anything in bulk on the cheap, unless you go outside of bureaucratic circles. I have heard that some schools are contracting out to local/regional farms for their produce, which is the start of what may be a GREAT thing.
 
2013-07-13 06:15:58 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: pedrop357: Yep, the means and the ends are the same thing and anyone who questions the means is obviously opposed to the ends.  The federal government isn't the only entity capable of dealing with poverty or hunger.

True enough but it is the only that appears to be both sufficiently funded and positioned to do the job. Sure, if you want wildly uneven results with little to no accountability, you can cross your fingers and hope that charity does the job.

People who are interested in results look to the one entity that is large enough to deal with the issue. People who are interested in ideology... well to be honest I don't know what the fark they're thinking since they're putting ideology before results.


Not just charity, but local, county, and state.  Why can't each school within a district be able to figure out what works for their students, or each district?

There's no reason to have the "solution" be a single federal govt. solution that plainly isn't working.
 
2013-07-13 06:22:51 PM

pedrop357: Not just charity, but local, county, and state.  Why can't each school within a district be able to figure out what works for their students, or each district?


You know how I know you haven't spent any time actually talking to members of your local school board?

There's no reason to have the "solution" be a single federal govt. solution that plainly isn't working.

It's not working because the entire system is balkanized to hell and back.
 
2013-07-13 06:24:22 PM
One way to make the kids feel bad about being addicted to fast food- schedule intense, gut crunching physical training immediately after lunch. Watch the few kids who have eaten healthy food show more endurance, more flexibility, and more strength than the fragile nutrient-deprived kids!
 
2013-07-13 06:30:04 PM

puffy999: I honestly believe there's a lot of money in Washington that ensures school districts continue to receive garbage that's been processed all to hell or delivered from the right suppliers... similar to the reason that milk is, apparently, the only default drink for kids in schools.


There's a lot of money in institutional (read prison) food. And I know what you mean about milk, my kid has a mild milk allergy and she has to take a water bottle to school since there isn't anything but milk to drink other than the water fountain in the hall.

America has set up the financial system so that it's almost impossible to do anything in bulk on the cheap, unless you go outside of bureaucratic circles. I have heard that some schools are contracting out to local/regional farms for their produce, which is the start of what may be a GREAT thing.

My position is that we shouldn't even be trying to do it on the cheap. We should be focused on quality and efficiency. Trying to do it cheap is why we have the problems we have now.
 
2013-07-13 06:37:00 PM

Do you know the way to Mordor: That's ridiculous! Addiction to fast food, like addiction to smoking, is not a free choice. The fast food and tobacco companies spend millions tweaking their formulas to produce the maximum sense of satisfaction in the brain and the intense craving for more of the same product. Michelle Obama is not trying to make you her slave here- she is trying to LIBERATE you. Get it right, will you?


I had a friend knocking back Coke after Coke one time while we were out at the beach. After about the third or fourth one I casually mentioned that he was just going to get thirstier because part of the "secret formula" is salt so that it doesn't quench your thirst. People don't realize that many of the things they eat are designed to avoid normal satiation responses and drive cravings for more.
 
2013-07-13 06:37:30 PM

Do you know the way to Mordor: Eponine24601: Almea Tarrant:

But hey, vegetables suck right?

Yes, they do.  They are gross and disgusting.

For goodness sake, learn how to use spices in your cooking! It will make the flavour much more interesting. You can even use small amounts of salted meats finely chopped into the veggies as they are cooking to add an interesting flavour. Get creative and you will never look back.


I wish that helped!  Believe me, I've tried pretty much everything there is to try to make vegetables more palatable.  Aside from using so much spice or sauce that the vegetable can't be tasted or essentially pureeing it to get rid of the texture and mixing it into something else, there isn't anything that will make them less gag inducing.  This includes using spices, making stir-fry, using different cooking methods (grill, steam, etc.)... *shrug*.  At least everyone else in my household likes them/eats them.
 
2013-07-13 06:58:41 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: There are two reasons we don't serve meals like that in US schools:

1. We don't properly fund school lunch programs both in terms of staffing and materials


Blah blah, blah not enough money, blah, blah, blah,

Total funding for all nutrition programs sums to more than $16 billion in both cash and commodity payments. School nutrition programs are one of the largest federal funding streams to schools.

From 1977 to 2012, total federal expenditures on the National School Lunch Program increased from $5.9 billion to more than $10 billion annually.Over the same period of time, participation in the meal programs increased by just over 5 million from 26.2 million to 31.6 million students.

Of the five billion meals provided to 31 million students during the 2011-12 school year, 59 percent were free of charge, 9 percent were reduced price, and the other 33 percent were paid.

The first is primarily an issue with morons like hasty ambush who can't stand the thought that the US government might spend a penny on something other than blowing up brown people or training to blow up brown people.


"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State."
~~James Madison, Federalist No. 45


The 69 federal means-tested aid programs provide cash, food, housing, medical care, and social services to low-income people. Here's how the spending breaks down:
•Federal: At $746 billion, federal means-tested spending exceeded spending on Medicare ($480 billion), Social Security ($725 billion), or the defense budget ($540 billion).
•State: In 2011, state contributions into federal welfare programs came to $201 billion, and independent state programs contributed around $9 billion.
•Combined: Overall means-tested welfare spending from federal and state sources reached from all sources reached $956 billion.


Welfare Spending: The Fastest Growing Component of Government Spending

For the past two decades, means-tested welfare or aid to the poor has been the fastest-growing component of government spending, outstripping the combined growth of Medicare and Social Security spending, as well as the growth in education and defense spending. Over the 20-year period between FY 1989 and FY 2008, total means-tested spending increased by 292 percent. The increase in combined Social Security and Medicare spending was 213 percent over the same period.

Means-tested spending on cash, food, and housing increased more rapidly (196 percent) than Social Security (174 percent). The growth in means-tested medical spending (448 percent) exceeded the growth in Medicare (376 percent).[2] The growth in means-tested aid greatly exceeded the growth in government spending on education (143 percent) and defense (126 percent). Aid to the poor is likely to continue to grow rapidly for the foreseeable future.

Since the beginning of the War on Poverty, government has spent $15.9 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2008 dollars) on means-tested welfare. In comparison, the cost of all other wars in U.S. history was $6.4 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2008 dollars).

"[Government] income redistribution agencies are estimated to absorb about two-thirds of each dollar budgeted to them in overhead costs, and in some cases as much as three-quarters of each dollar. Using government data, Robert L. Woodson (1989, p. 63) calculated that, on average, 70 cents of each dollar budgeted for government assistance goes not to the poor, but to the members of the welfare bureaucracy and others serving the poor
. Michael Tanner (1996, p. 136 n. 18) cites regional studies supporting this 70/30 split.

Charity Navigator (www.charitynavigator.org), the newest of several private sector organizations that rate charities by various criteria and supply that information to the public on their web sites, found that, as of 2004, 70 percent of charities they rated spent at least 75 percent of their budgets on the programs and services hey exist to provide, and 90 percent spent at least 65 percent.
 
2013-07-13 07:17:03 PM

hasty ambush: Total funding for all nutrition programs sums to more than $16 billion in both cash and commodity payments


So about 2% of our 2010 military spending. That does sound like a really big number though. Should I be concerned that we're spending about 2% of what our military budget is on feeding schoolchildren? I mean, 16 billion is a really large number and I guess we're supposed to be afraid of big numbers. I mean, if we add up seven years of school lunches that's almost the cost of the F-22 Raptor program and then what would be have other that students who had a good meal at school? Certainly not 188 planes that can Shock & Awe the fark out of brown people.

But go ahead and quote James Madison like the views of a man who lived two hundred and thirty years ago in a largely illiterate and agrarian colony have any bearing on our current situation.
 
2013-07-13 07:33:40 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: hasty ambush: Total funding for all nutrition programs sums to more than $16 billion in both cash and commodity payments

So about 2% of our 2010 military spending. That does sound like a really big number though. Should I be concerned that we're spending about 2% of what our military budget is on feeding schoolchildren? I mean, 16 billion is a really large number and I guess we're supposed to be afraid of big numbers. I mean, if we add up seven years of school lunches that's almost the cost of the F-22 Raptor program and then what would be have other that students who had a good meal at school? Certainly not 188 planes that can Shock & Awe the fark out of brown people.

But go ahead and quote James Madison like the views of a man who lived two hundred and thirty years ago in a largely illiterate and agrarian colony have any bearing on our current situation.


Since the beginning of the War on Poverty, government has spent $15.9 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2008 dollars) on means-tested welfare. In comparison, the cost of all other wars in U.S. history was $6.4 trillion (in inflation-adjusted 2008 dollars).

The 69 federal means-tested aid programs provide cash, food, housing, medical care, and social services to low-income people. Here's how the spending breaks down:
•Federal: At $746 billion, federal means-tested spending exceeded spending on Medicare ($480 billion), Social Security ($725 billion), or the defense budget ($540 billion).
•State: In 2011, state contributions into federal welfare programs came to $201 billion, and independent state programs contributed around $9 billion.
•Combined: Overall means-tested welfare spending from federal and state sources reached from all sources reached $956 billion.


Welfare Spending: The Fastest Growing Component of Government Spending

For the past two decades, means-tested welfare or aid to the poor has been the fastest-growing component of government spending, outstripping the combined growth of Medicare and Social Security spending, as well as the growth in education and defense spending. Over the 20-year period between FY 1989 and FY 2008, total means-tested spending increased by 292 percent. The increase in combined Social Security and Medicare spending was 213 percent over the same period.

Means-tested spending on cash, food, and housing increased more rapidly (196 percent) than Social Security (174 percent). The growth in means-tested medical spending (448 percent) exceeded the growth in Medicare (376 percent).[2] The growth in means-tested aid greatly exceeded the growth in government spending on education (143 percent) and defense (126 percent). Aid to the poor is likely to continue to grow rapidly for the foreseeable future.

I will add that we now have more people getting food aid form government than are working in real jobs:

The U.S. Department of Agriculture estimates that a total of 101,000,000 people currently participate in at least one of the 15 food programs offered by the agency,

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), there were 97,180,000 full-time private sector workers in 2012.
 
2013-07-13 08:00:03 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: hasty ambush: Total funding for all nutrition programs sums to more than $16 billion in both cash and commodity payments

So about 2% of our 2010 military spending


Given that at least half the 31 million kids receiving free or reduced school lunches don't really qualify we can reduce that number to down to 15 million that "need" to be feed. $16 billion divided among 15 billion comes out to over $1000 per student divided over about 180 school days or about $6 per meal. The schools are buying their food in bulk and much of it subsidized or even free that is plenty per meal. Add in that many of these 15 million are in families that also receive other aid like food stamps, summer food programs, etc

No, lack of tax payer money is not the problem
 
2013-07-13 08:17:07 PM

hasty ambush: No, lack of tax payer money is not the problem


$16 billion dollars / 31 million students / 180 school days

$2.50 per student per day

Luxury!
 
2013-07-13 09:01:07 PM

ciberido: LargeCanine: Perhaps the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in school lunches.

It needs to be involved, or a lot of kids won't get a decent meal at all that day, which in turn hurts their performance in school, as well as their long-term health.

And if you're ok with that, then, frankly, you're a pretty horrible excuse for a human being.


Don't be twit and don't put words in my mouth.
 
2013-07-13 09:02:28 PM

ciberido: pedrop357: ghare: No you won't. I know your kind. You'd keep taking the free stuff, even if you didn't need it, and then throw it away, just to screw the libs. Because Freedom.

You know nothing about me.  But at least you confirmed that you have no argument against the point I raised.


Well, I can tell you at least one thing that  ghare and I both DO know: you badly misrepresent what other people say to you when you respond, and similarly distort the positions of people with whom you do not agree, even when they weren't talking to you.  So either you're using these strawmen as a deliberate tactic, in which case you're very dishonest, or you genuinely are repeating what you thought they were saying, in which case you're kind of an idiot.

Either way, you're not really one with whom it's possible to have meaningful dialog.


You are in no position to complain about distorting other people's positions.
 
2013-07-13 09:08:31 PM
On the topic of how losing $300k in funding is a problem, since they're serving a lot less food, school lunch budgets are roughly 45% food, 45% labor, and 10% for equipment and other expenses. So while they might be saving around $150k on food, they'd need to trim headcount and adjust job responsibilities. Some jobs and costs are somewhat fixed regardless of the number of meals served (e.g., you can't trim the cashier by 15% or spray for the kitchen for roaches 15% less often).
 
2013-07-14 05:00:24 AM

Eponine24601: Do you know the way to Mordor: Eponine24601: Almea Tarrant:

But hey, vegetables suck right?

Yes, they do.  They are gross and disgusting.

For goodness sake, learn how to use spices in your cooking! It will make the flavour much more interesting. You can even use small amounts of salted meats finely chopped into the veggies as they are cooking to add an interesting flavour. Get creative and you will never look back.

I wish that helped!  Believe me, I've tried pretty much everything there is to try to make vegetables more palatable.  Aside from using so much spice or sauce that the vegetable can't be tasted or essentially pureeing it to get rid of the texture and mixing it into something else, there isn't anything that will make them less gag inducing.  This includes using spices, making stir-fry, using different cooking methods (grill, steam, etc.)... *shrug*.  At least everyone else in my household likes them/eats them.


I guess there are always people whose metabolisms and tastes just can't handle some kinds of food. I hope that you are getting enough nutrients in what you are eating, as I have heard of people who mainly eat fast food that end up collapsing from the absence of key vitamins and minerals.
 
2013-07-14 11:39:00 PM
Almea Tarrant:
the fact is that obesity is now a serious problem.

That's what I keep hearing but I'm not seeing it.

None of my friend's kids (1st - 7th grade) are even remotely chubby, in fact a couple
of them have to be hounded by their parents to eat more, as they eat like birds and
I don't see any fat kids around the neighborhood either.
 
2013-07-15 12:23:29 AM

LargeCanine: ciberido: LargeCanine: Perhaps the Federal Government shouldn't be involved in school lunches.

It needs to be involved, or a lot of kids won't get a decent meal at all that day, which in turn hurts their performance in school, as well as their long-term health.

And if you're ok with that, then, frankly, you're a pretty horrible excuse for a human being.

Don't be twit and don't put words in my mouth.



Put words in your mouth?  I'm sorry you don't understand what the word "if" means.  Feel free to explain how you are NOT ok with hurting kid's performance in school or long-term health.

Specifically, in light of the information I provided, do you support spending tax money of school lunches, or not?

/As for being a twit, I'm not really concerned with your opinion of me.
 
2013-07-15 12:26:10 AM

pedrop357: If I need some help getting all the necessary food for breakfast or lunch and you decide that your help means you're entitled to dictate the content of all meals, as well as deciding that my kids can't eat unhealthy food at their friend's houses, I'm going to tire of your "help" and stop accepting it.


Ok, well, when the government actually does that, get back to me.  Until then, I'll just continue to assume you're an idiot.
 
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