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(CBS4Denver - KCNC)   "Loophole" in Denver's speed camera system causes tickets meant for state politicians to be sent to random citizens instead   (denver.cbslocal.com) divider line 86
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2013-07-12 08:17:51 PM  
"If there's a group of people not getting citations, others will feel that's not an equitable system."

No farking shiat, Ric Romero.
 
2013-07-12 08:38:29 PM  
It's not a bug, it's a feature
 
2013-07-12 08:43:11 PM  
How does one arrive at "33" for their favorite number?

Though, now that I think of it, if it's the age of losing your virginity it would make sense and probably be the average for Farkers.
 
2013-07-12 08:49:10 PM  
"If there's a group of people not getting citations, others will feel that's not an equitable system."

And if those who aren't getting tickets happen to be, by some huge incredible coincidence, politicians .... well history says don't be surprised if those "others" eventually line said politicians up against a wall somewhere.

/probably not over just the tickets but it certainly is a symptom of the rain of straw that is falling on the camels....
 
2013-07-12 09:00:51 PM  

Recoil Therapy: .... well history says don't be surprised if those "others" eventually line said politicians up against a wall somewhere.


Nah, not in this country.
 
2013-07-12 09:06:46 PM  

Mugato: Recoil Therapy: .... well history says don't be surprised if those "others" eventually line said politicians up against a wall somewhere.

Nah, not in this country.


Oh I know that, but if I didn't relate it to history somehow, our overseeing NSA agent for the day might have decided that my comment along with my name constituted a direct terror threat to some local politician 1500+ miles from me & off to Gitmo I go....

/scary just how close to the truth that statement actually is
//now why did the dog just suddenly shut up mid bark....
 
2013-07-12 09:16:44 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: How does one arrive at "33" for their favorite number?

Though, now that I think of it, if it's the age of losing your virginity it would make sense and probably be the average for Farkers.


Because Jesus
 
2013-07-12 09:35:09 PM  
All animals are equal, some animals are just more equal than others.
 
2013-07-12 09:40:27 PM  
It's great in Colorado there are a shiaton of different plate styles and a number can be repeated on any of them.  Smrt
 
2013-07-12 09:41:03 PM  

ArkAngel: I_Am_Weasel: How does one arrive at "33" for their favorite number?

Though, now that I think of it, if it's the age of losing your virginity it would make sense and probably be the average for Farkers.

Because Jesus


Rolling Rock?
 
2013-07-12 09:41:12 PM  
 
2013-07-12 09:42:19 PM  
Ok, this is another reason I hate politicians:

"These are clearly not her responsibility," said Johnston. "I sent her a note when I apologized saying if she gets any photo radar tickets she should have them sent to me and I'll be happy to pay them for her," said Johnston.

'Pay them FOR her' Really dipshiat?  They are YOUR tickets not HERS, you aren't paying anything "FOR" her, asshat makes it sounds like he's doing her a "special favor".  What a douchetaco.
 
2013-07-12 09:43:22 PM  
Not like they would have paid the ticket anyhow.
 
2013-07-12 09:45:33 PM  
What a very pleasant article.

An issue was found with a system, a politician was made aware of it, made right by the injured citizen ( apology and fines paid ) and everyone involved said they were going to fix the problem.

Surprisingly dull and boring and just what we would hope would happen.
 
2013-07-12 09:46:00 PM  

LtDarkstar: Ok, this is another reason I hate politicians:

"These are clearly not her responsibility," said Johnston. "I sent her a note when I apologized saying if she gets any photo radar tickets she should have them sent to me and I'll be happy to pay them for her," said Johnston.

'Pay them FOR her' Really dipshiat?  They are YOUR tickets not HERS, you aren't paying anything "FOR" her, asshat makes it sounds like he's doing her a "special favor".  What a douchetaco.


Glad I'm not the only one who read it that way.
 
2013-07-12 09:47:13 PM  

eejack: An issue was found with a system, a politician was made aware of it, made right by the injured citizen ( apology and fines paid ) and everyone involved said they were going to fix the problem.


Yeah because they were busted for it publically.
 
2013-07-12 09:48:33 PM  

LtDarkstar: Ok, this is another reason I hate politicians:

"These are clearly not her responsibility," said Johnston. "I sent her a note when I apologized saying if she gets any photo radar tickets she should have them sent to me and I'll be happy to pay them for her," said Johnston.

'Pay them FOR her' Really dipshiat?  They are YOUR tickets not HERS, you aren't paying anything "FOR" her, asshat makes it sounds like he's doing her a "special favor".  What a douchetaco.


THIS!
 
2013-07-12 09:51:40 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: How does one arrive at "33" for their favorite number?

Though, now that I think of it, if it's the age of losing your virginity it would make sense and probably be the average for Farkers.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/33_%28number%29

/the most interesting one on the site?  AMEN: 1+13+5+14=33
 
2013-07-12 09:52:15 PM  
33 was the jersey for some guy named Patrick Roy - that'd be my guess...
 
2013-07-12 09:56:00 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: How does one arrive at "33" for their favorite number?


c-product.images.fansedge.com
 
2013-07-12 09:56:03 PM  
Terminology on the 'Pay them for her' front aside...

eejack: What a very pleasant article.

An issue was found with a system, a politician was made aware of it, made right by the injured citizen ( apology and fines paid ) and everyone involved said they were going to fix the problem.

Surprisingly dull and boring and just what we would hope would happen.


I do like how this was still the end result.
 
2013-07-12 09:56:51 PM  
It would take a day's work to fix this problem, and I don't that's fair to ask of our superiors. Random uppity citizens can pay their tickets or pay the price of disobedience. Denver doesn't need troublemakers questioning the system.
 
2013-07-12 10:00:06 PM  

LtDarkstar: Ok, this is another reason I hate politicians:

"These are clearly not her responsibility," said Johnston. "I sent her a note when I apologized saying if she gets any photo radar tickets she should have them sent to me and I'll be happy to pay them for her," said Johnston.

'Pay them FOR her' Really dipshiat?  They are YOUR tickets not HERS, you aren't paying anything "FOR" her, asshat makes it sounds like he's doing her a "special favor".  What a douchetaco.


No kidding. Will he pay for her insurance as it goes up? And what will he do when her license is eventually suspended? Send her free bus tickets?

He sounds like a real dick.
 
2013-07-12 10:02:23 PM  
heh heh...douchetaco...
 
2013-07-12 10:03:13 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: How does one arrive at "33" for their favorite number?

Though, now that I think of it, if it's the age of losing your virginity it would make sense and probably be the average for Farkers.


It's the age Jebus was when he.  Just a guess.
 
2013-07-12 10:06:12 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: How does one arrive at "33" for their favorite number?


1? No.
2? No.
3? No.
4? No.
5? No.
6? No.
7? No.
8? No.
9? No.
10? No.
11? No.
12? No.
13? No.
14? No.
15? No.
16? No.
17? No.
18? No.
19? No.
20? No.
21? No.
22? No.
23? No.
24? No.
25? No.
26? No.
27? No.
28? No.
29? No.
30? No.
31? No.
32? No.
33? Hey, I lke that number.
 
2013-07-12 10:09:45 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: ArkAngel: I_Am_Weasel: How does one arrive at "33" for their favorite number?

Though, now that I think of it, if it's the age of losing your virginity it would make sense and probably be the average for Farkers.

Because Jesus

Rolling Rock?


Larry Bird?
 
2013-07-12 10:10:06 PM  

eejack: What a very pleasant article.An issue was found with a system, a politician was made aware of it, made right by the injured citizen ( apology and fines paid ) and everyone involved said they were going to fix the problem. Surprisingly dull and boring and just what we would hope would happen.


I know, right?! We are getting so used to things being so inextricably farked up this is goddamn heartwarming.  We still have a chance to make things right people!
/who am I kidding...
 
2013-07-12 10:10:37 PM  
Safety!
 
2013-07-12 10:15:50 PM  

Hector Remarkable: It would take a day's work to fix this problem, and I don't that's fair to ask of our superiors. Random uppity citizens can pay their tickets or pay the price of disobedience. Denver doesn't need troublemakers questioning the system.


It might take a day for some data entry person to assign the legislator's plates on a specific car, but there's a few things to consider:

1:  They need to get that information first - they know who has the plate, but not what car it should go on
2:  There's obviously a bug in their software if it's sending the tickets to a "random" person.  (Seriously, it's not really random, it just seems this way).
3:  They'll probably have to fix some obscure part of the vehicle code that treats the issuing of legislator plates differently.

saturn badger: No kidding. Will he pay for her insurance as it goes up? And what will he do when her license is eventually suspended? Send her free bus tickets?


Those systems generally don't identify a specific driver, so it usually doesn't count against the owner - other than the fines, of course.
 
2013-07-12 10:16:03 PM  

LessO2: I_Am_Weasel: How does one arrive at "33" for their favorite number?

[c-product.images.fansedge.com image 400x296]


I would have went with this myself:

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-12 10:17:18 PM  

davidphogan: LtDarkstar: Ok, this is another reason I hate politicians:

"These are clearly not her responsibility," said Johnston. "I sent her a note when I apologized saying if she gets any photo radar tickets she should have them sent to me and I'll be happy to pay them for her," said Johnston.

'Pay them FOR her' Really dipshiat?  They are YOUR tickets not HERS, you aren't paying anything "FOR" her, asshat makes it sounds like he's doing her a "special favor".  What a douchetaco.

Glad I'm not the only one who read it that way.


Yeah, she will still have the speeding conviction on her record.
 
2013-07-12 10:19:02 PM  
"I think Ms. Estis and I may have gotten into a funny jam where we are unique."

blog.angelatung.com
 
2013-07-12 10:25:35 PM  

Mugato: Recoil Therapy: .... well history says don't be surprised if those "others" eventually line said politicians up against a wall somewhere.

Nah, not in this country.


Exactly.

We mock people in places like Egypt, but react to slowing losing our own freedoms with little more than a shrug and nervous smile.

Americans are cowards.
 
2013-07-12 10:31:32 PM  

nmemkha: Mugato: Recoil Therapy: .... well history says don't be surprised if those "others" eventually line said politicians up against a wall somewhere.

Nah, not in this country.

Exactly.

We mock people in places like Egypt, but react to slowing losing our own freedoms with little more than a shrug and nervous smile.

Americans are cowards.


The irony being that we have an entire sub-culture of gun nuts who arm themselves to the teeth just in case the government gets out of hand and they have to straighten shiat out.
 
2013-07-12 10:38:50 PM  
nmemkha:
Americans are cowards.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-12 10:39:55 PM  

gfid: It might take a day for some data entry person to assign the legislator's plates on a specific car, but there's a few things to consider:

1: They need to get that information first - they know who has the plate, but not what car it should go on
2: There's obviously a bug in their software if it's sending the tickets to a "random" person. (Seriously, it's not really random, it just seems this way).
3: They'll probably have to fix some obscure part of the vehicle code that treats the issuing of legislator plates differently.


I don't think it's a bug.  The guy had a legislative plate 33, thus the camera saw 33 as the plate number.  The database said the plate "33" belonged to her.

This isn't a software bug, it's a design fault issuing special plates with numbers the same as regular plates.
 
2013-07-12 10:40:56 PM  

eejack: and everyone involved said they were going to fix the problem.


Where did it say that?  I saw them quoted as saying that they'd look into it.  I didn't see them saying that they'd fix it.
 
2013-07-12 10:45:22 PM  
So all this time they've been able to drive around breaking the law with nary a single ticket and probably would have continued in perpetuity if the system didn't make that goof.
Yeah, I'm sure the reason they were excluded is all one big accident. How convenient.
 
2013-07-12 10:53:21 PM  

saturn badger: LtDarkstar: Ok, this is another reason I hate politicians:

"These are clearly not her responsibility," said Johnston. "I sent her a note when I apologized saying if she gets any photo radar tickets she should have them sent to me and I'll be happy to pay them for her," said Johnston.

'Pay them FOR her' Really dipshiat?  They are YOUR tickets not HERS, you aren't paying anything "FOR" her, asshat makes it sounds like he's doing her a "special favor".  What a douchetaco.

No kidding. Will he pay for her insurance as it goes up? And what will he do when her license is eventually suspended? Send her free bus tickets?

He sounds like a real dick.


Good comment, about the points and insurance.  I'm pretty sure the photo radar doesn't count points in Colorado if you pay.  But your insurance will probably go up!

/nice one on the Roy jersey Mad and the other sport jersey Red
 
2013-07-12 10:53:36 PM  

eejack: What a very pleasant article.

An issue was found with a system, a politician was made aware of it, made right by the injured citizen ( apology and fines paid ) and everyone involved said they were going to fix the problem.

Surprisingly dull and boring and just what we would hope would happen.


What proof is she going to have that they were actually paid? If he pays it (from whatever source) he gets the receipt, not her unless he chooses to send her a copy, or she gets on the phone or goes online to check for herself. She will be continually doing this, as the representative, at least in the article, made no mention "Hey maybe I should slow the fark down because it's irritating the hell out of one of my constituentes". Nah, that's really what we hope would happen.

As far as it being a DMV loophole? Bullshiat. It was set up that way to begin with, but OK....if that's what you want to call it....a bug in the system.
 
2013-07-12 10:59:20 PM  

ski9600: saturn badger: LtDarkstar:

Good comment, about the points and insurance.  I'm pretty sure the photo radar doesn't count points in Colorado if you pay.  But your insurance will probably go up!

/nice one on the Roy jersey Mad and the other sport jersey Red


I'm curious how such ticketing could turn out in an argument over insurance rate increases. What, with ins. cos insisting on those little "snapshot" devices to see how you drive. Should this lady (or another) get one in the mail while one of those prove she wasn't speeding? Or any other type of recording device? More damn paperwork for everybody while the official skates.
 
2013-07-12 11:00:54 PM  

gfid: saturn badger: No kidding. Will he pay for her insurance as it goes up? And what will he do when her license is eventually suspended? Send her free bus tickets?

Those systems generally don't identify a specific driver, so it usually doesn't count against the owner - other than the fines, of course.


Nice try, but that's not how it works.

You get to ask a Police Department employee to drop charges because you weren't the driver. It's their discretion, so when they refuse or if you don't know to ask, they'll send a process server and it turns into a regular citation:

http://www.denvergov.org/police/PoliceDepartment/TrafficEnforcement/ Ph otoRadarRedLight/tabid/441407/Default.aspx
 
2013-07-12 11:12:27 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: How does one arrive at "33" for their favorite number?

Though, now that I think of it, if it's the age of losing your virginity it would make sense and probably be the average for Farkers.


Hobbitophile?
 
2013-07-12 11:12:58 PM  

Mugato: nmemkha: Mugato: Recoil Therapy: .... well history says don't be surprised if those "others" eventually line said politicians up against a wall somewhere.

Nah, not in this country.

Exactly.

We mock people in places like Egypt, but react to slowing losing our own freedoms with little more than a shrug and nervous smile.

Americans are cowards.

The irony being that we have an entire sub-culture of gun nuts who arm themselves to the teeth just in case the government gets out of hand and they have to straighten shiat out.


The thing is that even the poor people in the US live a life of luxury compared to the rest of the world. Make sure everyone can afford hamburgers, a tank of gas and a flat-screen TV and nobody will complain. Until recently, Americans idolized the modern day robber barons because they had so much money. Maybe they still do.
 
2013-07-12 11:15:16 PM  

Hector Remarkable: It would take a day's work to fix this problem, and I don't that's fair to ask of our superiors. Random uppity citizens can pay their tickets or pay the price of disobedience. Denver doesn't need troublemakers questioning the system.


It will probably take a change in the authorizing law.  I'm sure it specifies the database to be used, and no others.
 
2013-07-12 11:21:38 PM  
I'd fight the tickets and sub poena the legislator.  Watch how fast tickets are dismissed before trial.
 
2013-07-12 11:22:54 PM  

legion_of_doo: Safety!


$aft€¥
 
2013-07-12 11:38:21 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: I'd fight the tickets and sub poena the legislator.  Watch how fast tickets are dismissed before trial.


"Fix this or see it in your opponent's campaign ads next election."

Self-correcting problem
 
2013-07-12 11:43:35 PM  
My question is why do politicians get these cars in the first place?  Why not use their personal vehicles and get reimbursed for mileage if they are on official business?
 
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