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(Chron)   Fresh on the heels of acquitting the guy who beat a puppy to death with a baseball bat, Iowa's Supreme Court Rules it is okay to fire an employee because she's so hot you are worried you might try to have an affair with her   (chron.com) divider line 173
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2013-07-12 11:33:41 AM
It's Iowa, so that's like five women. Prove me wrong Farkers. Prove me wrong with photographic evidence.

/No boss Friday.
 
2013-07-12 11:35:03 AM

Harry Freakstorm: It's Iowa, so that's like five women. Prove me wrong Farkers. Prove me wrong with photographic evidence.

/No boss Friday.


www.wtsp.com
 
2013-07-12 11:35:09 AM
Well if there's a disability to have, being so hot that people want to have affairs with you is the one to get.
 
2013-07-12 11:36:42 AM
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2013-07-12 11:37:17 AM
APPLICANT: Well, I type about 90 words a minute. I'm completely well-versed in all IBM and Macintosh programs.

GEORGE: (looking over her resume) Well Miss Coggins you're ah, obviously qualified for the job. You've all the necessary skills and experience. But you're extremely attractive. you're gorgeous. I'm looking at you, I can't even remember my name. So ah, I'm afraid this is not going to work out (he crumples her resume into a ball) Thanks for coming in.
 
2013-07-12 11:37:19 AM
 
2013-07-12 11:37:45 AM
That ruling should attract enough closeted gays business owners to Iowa that Westboro Baptist Church may relocate there.
 
2013-07-12 11:37:47 AM
Shiat, looks like i'll be out of a job soon then if this goes national...

/no i won't
//fugly chode
 
2013-07-12 11:38:10 AM
I'm worried I might use a Judge on that bat.

NSA? Hello? Anybody home?
 
2013-07-12 11:38:13 AM
Well that's awfully nice of him to state, for the record in court, that he has absolutely no control over his sex drive whatsoever.
 
2013-07-12 11:38:42 AM

Mock26:


It's Iowa. Being under four hundred pounds and not slathered in HFCS and corn husks is like being Helen of Troy out there.
 
2013-07-12 11:38:50 AM
It may be shiatty, but I don't think attractiveness is a protected class. You can be fired/not hired for being an uggo too.
 
2013-07-12 11:38:58 AM
Thank goodness for right to work legislation.  I think it may have saved that dentist's marriage.
 
2013-07-12 11:39:11 AM

Harry Freakstorm: It's Iowa, so that's like five women. Prove me wrong Farkers. Prove me wrong with photographic evidence.

/No boss Friday.


Found her..

o.aolcdn.com
 
2013-07-12 11:39:12 AM
...Iowahot?
 
2013-07-12 11:39:18 AM
It is the natural inclination for dentists to want to
*puts on sunglasses*
fill cavities.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAH!
 
2013-07-12 11:39:30 AM
How, in the hell, is this not gender discrimination in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

Can someone who has a GED in Law Explain this to me?
 
2013-07-12 11:40:59 AM
This story again?  Jeez, how many times is this chick getting fired?
 
2013-07-12 11:41:01 AM

hardinparamedic: How, in the hell, is this not gender discrimination in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

Can someone who has a GED in Law Explain this to me?


It's not that she's female, it's that he's attracted to her.  If he were bi, he could fire a male OR female employee.  It's not discrimination on the basis of her sex, it's discrimination on the basis of his lust, regardless of what sex he's lusting for.
 
2013-07-12 11:41:37 AM
As a man I find this verdict insulting. Its like saying we are all walking penises with no impulse control. Whats next Iowa, letting rapist go because the woman was dressed too sexy?
 
2013-07-12 11:41:40 AM
Stupid decision..
 
2013-07-12 11:42:27 AM
Yeah, let's file an appeal and let FARK be the judge of this issue...
 
2013-07-12 11:42:48 AM
Well done Iowa, well done.

BTW, so who the heck would ever go see that dentist again? Even if you don't care about shiatty behavior, that guy must be off his rocker to do that.
 
2013-07-12 11:43:06 AM

Drew P Balls: Thank goodness for right to work legislation.  I think it may have saved that dentist's marriage.


And what a marriage it is too!

"Honey, I wanted to have an affair with an attractive woman."
"WHAT???"
"But it's OK! I fired her!"
"Oh, well, OK then. Because I know for a fact that the only way you would ever meet another attractive woman is if she worked for you."

They must be fundies. This sounds like a "remove the temptation" thing that would sound completely reasonable and logical to people like that.
 
2013-07-12 11:43:13 AM

stuffy: As a man I find this verdict insulting. Its like saying we are all walking penises with no impulse control. Whats next Iowa, letting rapist go because the woman was dressed too sexy?


Logically the court is saying anyone can fire anyone they're attracted to.
 
2013-07-12 11:43:35 AM

stuffy: As a man I find this verdict insulting. Its like saying we are all walking penises with no impulse control. Whats next Iowa, letting rapist go because the woman was dressed too sexy?


Isn't that what the MRA movement has been telling us for years?
 
2013-07-12 11:43:47 AM

hardinparamedic: How, in the hell, is this not gender discrimination in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

Can someone who has a GED in Law Explain this to me?


So if the boss was gay, and he fired an attractive man, what would it be then?
 
2013-07-12 11:44:21 AM

exick: You can be fired/not hired for being an uggo too


It's true. Target hires reasonably attractive employees while K-Mart seems to hire the ugliest, saddest people they can find. While I salute their charity efforts, it's not really bringing customers in to the store.
 
2013-07-12 11:44:24 AM

WhippingBoy: hardinparamedic: How, in the hell, is this not gender discrimination in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

Can someone who has a GED in Law Explain this to me?

So if the boss was gay, and he fired an attractive man, what would it be then?


butthurt
 
2013-07-12 11:44:45 AM
She had warned the opinion could allow bosses to legally fire ... small-breasted workers in favor of big-breasted workers.

If I recall correctly, I believe you're allowed to discriminate against ugly/attractive people during the hiring process...even without the "my wife made me do it" defense. It would be odd to have mismatching rulings on hiring and firing employees based the same criterion.

That being said, it seems like nowadays you can be fired for any made-up reason, the employer just has to choose a politically correct made-up reason. Not that it really matters, when it comes down to it.
 
2013-07-12 11:45:04 AM
The ruling upholds a judge's decision to dismiss a discrimination lawsuit filed against Fort Dodge dentist James Knight, who fired assistant Melissa Nelson, even while acknowledging she had been a stellar employee for 10 years. Knight and his wife believed that his attraction to Nelson - two decades younger than the dentist - had become a threat to their marriage. Nelson, now 33, was replaced by another woman; Knight had an all-female staff.

I'll bet that all-female staff got a little younger and cheaper to pay.

On the upside, Ms Nelson can now put on her resume "I was fired for being too pretty."

Interviewer: You worked there for 10 years?
Nelson: Yes. I was a stellar employee. I revamped the scheduling...
Interviewer: And he fired you after ten years for being too pretty?
Nelson: Yes. I also color coded the inventory to speed...
Interviewer: So, you were younger and you got prettier. What? Nu-boobs? Were you a young fatty?
Nelson: No! I just got so pretty that I was a threat to his marriage. Now, please. I would like to discuss my qualifications. I have a degree...
Interviewer: Well, here is our problem: Are you just going to continue to get prettier? If we hired you and you and in a few years, you achieve Anniston grade beauty, then we might have to fire you also. You can see our concern. So, do you anticipate getting prettier?
 
2013-07-12 11:45:39 AM
Based on the court's logic I would expect that the fired worker could sue for sexual harassment.  He didn't act on his impulses in either case but obviously he thought about it.  Mentally he violated her like a screen door in a hurricane.  That should be good enough.
 
2013-07-12 11:46:01 AM

stuffy: As a man I find this verdict insulting. Its like saying we are all walking penises with no impulse control.


Your point?
 
2013-07-12 11:46:04 AM
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Uh, hmmm, well 2 out of 5 ain't bad.
 
2013-07-12 11:46:47 AM
His paitents must all be as ugly as a box of smashed @$$holes...
 
2013-07-12 11:46:57 AM

hardinparamedic: How, in the hell, is this not gender discrimination in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

Can someone who has a GED in Law Explain this to me?


Because he didn't fire her based on her gender - the counter-evidence is that all of his employees are female.
 
2013-07-12 11:47:09 AM
His wife made him do it. the courts can not legally tell you to argue with your wife,
 
2013-07-12 11:47:25 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark: [m5.paperblog.com image 850x637]

Uh, hmmm, well 2 out of 5 ain't bad.


WTF? Do they put "breast growth suppressant" in the water or something?
 
2013-07-12 11:47:31 AM
 
2013-07-12 11:47:32 AM

hardinparamedic: How, in the hell, is this not gender discrimination in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

Can someone who has a GED in Law Explain this to me?


Well, from the ruling, it's based on attraction, not gender. He could just as easily have fired a man whom he felt unduly attracted to.

This is the same supreme court that legalized gay marriage in the state, so they have a track record of not taking gender into account.

I guess the reality that there are more heterosexual males in positions of power and therefore more women that can legally be fired for hotness doesn't matter.

So now I guess the gameplan is: hit on the hotties, but not in an overtly obvious way (so they can't sue for sexual harrassment). If they don't respond positively, fire the biatches. If they complain, cite the Iowa supreme court. Say that they threatened your marriage/peace of mind/whatever. Then the other hotties will see what the score is and learn to play ball or hit the road. Life is good.
 
2013-07-12 11:47:52 AM

tortilla burger: She had warned the opinion could allow bosses to legally fire ... small-breasted workers in favor of big-breasted workers.

If I recall correctly, I believe you're allowed to discriminate against ugly/attractive people during the hiring process...even without the "my wife made me do it" defense. It would be odd to have mismatching rulings on hiring and firing employees based the same criterion.

That being said, it seems like nowadays you can be fired for any made-up reason, the employer just has to choose a politically correct made-up reason. Not that it really matters, when it comes down to it.


In a right to work state you can be fired for any reason that doesn't discriminate against a protected class?

"I don't like the way you answer the phone. Fired."
"I don't like the way you lean back in your chair after lunch. Fired"
"You have a nasally voice that makes the managers want to throw you off the roof. Fired"
 
2013-07-12 11:48:32 AM

jayhawk88: Drew P Balls: Thank goodness for right to work legislation.  I think it may have saved that dentist's marriage.

And what a marriage it is too!

"Honey, I wanted to have an affair with an attractive woman."
"WHAT???"
"But it's OK! I fired her!"
"Oh, well, OK then. Because I know for a fact that the only way you would ever meet another attractive woman is if she worked for you."

They must be fundies. This sounds like a "remove the temptation" thing that would sound completely reasonable and logical to people like that.


If I remember the earlier story correctly, Boss Hog kept sending explicit texts to the employee and his wife found out and - after meeting with his pastor - decided to fire her because they couldn't legally dress her in a burka.
 
2013-07-12 11:48:44 AM
Have you seen the women that are native to Iowa.... two legs and a pulse is too hot.
 
2013-07-12 11:48:45 AM
So here's a question: can someone tell me about the acquittal of the puppy-killer?
 
2013-07-12 11:49:05 AM

redmid17: tortilla burger: She had warned the opinion could allow bosses to legally fire ... small-breasted workers in favor of big-breasted workers.

If I recall correctly, I believe you're allowed to discriminate against ugly/attractive people during the hiring process...even without the "my wife made me do it" defense. It would be odd to have mismatching rulings on hiring and firing employees based the same criterion.

That being said, it seems like nowadays you can be fired for any made-up reason, the employer just has to choose a politically correct made-up reason. Not that it really matters, when it comes down to it.

In a right to work state you can be fired for any reason that doesn't discriminate against a protected class?

"I don't like the way you answer the phone. Fired."
"I don't like the way you lean back in your chair after lunch. Fired"
"You have a nasally voice that makes the managers want to throw you off the roof. Fired"


Just plant a baggie of pot in their locker... problem solved!
 
2013-07-12 11:49:13 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark: [m5.paperblog.com image 850x637]

Uh, hmmm, well 2 out of 5 ain't bad.


We're talkin' the two on the left, correct?
 
2013-07-12 11:49:28 AM

vudukungfu: WhippingBoy: hardinparamedic: How, in the hell, is this not gender discrimination in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

Can someone who has a GED in Law Explain this to me?

So if the boss was gay, and he fired an attractive man, what would it be then?

butthurt


Whether or not the attractive man was fired there'd be butthurt. Amirite?
 
2013-07-12 11:49:35 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: jayhawk88: Drew P Balls: Thank goodness for right to work legislation.  I think it may have saved that dentist's marriage.

And what a marriage it is too!

"Honey, I wanted to have an affair with an attractive woman."
"WHAT???"
"But it's OK! I fired her!"
"Oh, well, OK then. Because I know for a fact that the only way you would ever meet another attractive woman is if she worked for you."

They must be fundies. This sounds like a "remove the temptation" thing that would sound completely reasonable and logical to people like that.

If I remember the earlier story correctly, Boss Hog kept sending explicit texts to the employee and his wife found out and - after meeting with his pastor - decided to fire her because they couldn't legally dress her in a burka.


Sexual harassment lawsuit in 3..2..1..
 
2013-07-12 11:50:11 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark: [m5.paperblog.com image 850x637]

Uh, hmmm, well 2 out of 5 ain't bad.


Yes, yes, no, no, yes.

/ who am I kidding?
// yes, yes, yes, yes, yes
 
2013-07-12 11:50:13 AM

Harry Freakstorm: The ruling upholds a judge's decision to dismiss a discrimination lawsuit filed against Fort Dodge dentist James Knight, who fired assistant Melissa Nelson, even while acknowledging she had been a stellar employee for 10 years. Knight and his wife believed that his attraction to Nelson - two decades younger than the dentist - had become a threat to their marriage. Nelson, now 33, was replaced by another woman; Knight had an all-female staff.

I'll bet that all-female staff got a little younger and cheaper to pay.

On the upside, Ms Nelson can now put on her resume "I was fired for being too pretty."

Interviewer: You worked there for 10 years?
Nelson: Yes. I was a stellar employee. I revamped the scheduling...
Interviewer: And he fired you after ten years for being too pretty?
Nelson: Yes. I also color coded the inventory to speed...
Interviewer: So, you were younger and you got prettier. What? Nu-boobs? Were you a young fatty?
Nelson: No! I just got so pretty that I was a threat to his marriage. Now, please. I would like to discuss my qualifications. I have a degree...
Interviewer: Well, here is our problem: Are you just going to continue to get prettier? If we hired you and you and in a few years, you achieve Anniston grade beauty, then we might have to fire you also. You can see our concern. So, do you anticipate getting prettier?


Sounds like a case for Diana Moon Glampers.

/Knows this isn't obscure.
 
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2013-07-12 11:51:16 AM

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: vudukungfu: WhippingBoy: hardinparamedic: How, in the hell, is this not gender discrimination in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

Can someone who has a GED in Law Explain this to me?

So if the boss was gay, and he fired an attractive man, what would it be then?

butthurt

Whether or not the attractive man was fired there'd be butthurt. Amirite?


Probably only the first few times.
 
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Umm, Florida State girls? Says so right on their shirts.
 
2013-07-12 11:53:38 AM
The all-male court issued its revised opinion Friday in the case after taking the unusual step last month of withdrawing its December opinion, which had received nationwide publicity, debate and criticism.

How the fark is this considered NOT stacking tthe court?

Remembers. It's not a justice system, it's a "justice" (nudge-nudge) system.
 
2013-07-12 11:54:14 AM

Tyrone Biggums: APPLICANT: Well, I type about 90 words a minute. I'm completely well-versed in all IBM and Macintosh programs.

GEORGE: (looking over her resume) Well Miss Coggins you're ah, obviously qualified for the job. You've all the necessary skills and experience. But you're extremely attractive. you're gorgeous. I'm looking at you, I can't even remember my name. So ah, I'm afraid this is not going to work out (he crumples her resume into a ball) Thanks for coming in.


Well, it CAN be an impediment to productivity in the office.  When running a team of contractors at a fed agency  I once hired a girl (on the basis of a telphone interview ironically enough)  so incandescantly hot, she even made me a little weak in the knees to look at her.  At the end of the first week I actually had to have a sit-down with the Center Director (gov side) to tell him that he needed to put a leash on half of his senior staff, as my employee was being pestered by very senior GS-14& 15 Kawyers and managers who kept stopping by her desk to offer to "show her around", "Train" her (my job), or just "make sure she had all the supplies she needed" (a gs-15 who  didn't even know where the supply closet WAS mind you).

The day she came in dressed to go out clubbing later that night, I thanked all the gods that I'd actually worked as an Employment Dicrimination/Sexual Harrasmen lawyer on the Plaintiff's side for a summer, so I knew pretty much EXACTLY what I could and could not legally say, as I tried to make her aware that while we had no dress code,  a corset top and short skirt wasn't giving her the professional image she needed to maintain (and was causing physical pain to some of the horndogs in the office-but I didn't say that part)
 
2013-07-12 11:57:24 AM

BarleyGnome: Stupid decision..


We walked in, sat down, Obie came in with the twenty seven eight-by-ten
Colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back
Of each one, sat down. Man came in said, "All rise." We all stood up,
And Obie stood up with the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy
Pictures, and the judge walked in sat down with a seeing eye dog, and he
Sat down, we sat down. Obie looked at the seeing eye dog, and then at the
Twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows
And a paragraph on the back of each one, and looked at the seeing eye dog.
And then at twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles
And arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one and began to cry,
'cause Obie came to the realization that it was a typical case of American
Blind justice
 
2013-07-12 11:58:27 AM
Once had a lawyer for a client who fired his secretary because "God told him to". He was bat shiat crazy and as dumb as a bag of hammers. Funny thing was: she was the one who knew all his network info, email passwords etc. When he fired her it took him months to get things sorted out.
 
2013-07-12 11:58:55 AM
I thought the media would have been done with her after her Tosh.0 appearance.
 
2013-07-12 12:00:20 PM
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2013-07-12 12:00:45 PM

exick: It may be shiatty, but I don't think attractiveness is a protected class. You can be fired/not hired for being an uggo too.


You can be fired for being too short, too tall, too fat, too skinny, having the wrong color hair, having a name ending in A, looking at the boss funny, or pretty much any damned thing except your race, Your sex, refusing to sleep with the boss, your religion, your ethnic origin, your age (if you are over 40) or a disability you might have (or a disability your employer might PERCIEVE you have even if you don't)

an Overall of the employment discrimination laws in this country is long overdue

Now, I didn;t follow this case but I would be amazed if her lawyer didn;t argue that this was tantmount to gender-based discrimination as it is extremely unlikely this guy would have fired a MALE assistant for being so attractive he was tempted to sleep with him.  Therefore, at worst this is a policy with a "disparate impact" even under a strict Yick Woo level defintion as 100% of those affected by the policy would be female.   Not sure why/if that argument would be rejected in this case
 
2013-07-12 12:02:22 PM

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Umm, Florida State girls? Says so right on their shirts.


Whoops - my bad. The others are Iowa all the way, though.
 
2013-07-12 12:02:33 PM
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2013-07-12 12:04:03 PM

stuffy: As a man I find this verdict insulting. Its like saying we are all walking penises with no impulse control. Whats next Iowa, letting rapist go because the woman was dressed too sexy?


From everything I've seen/heard/read. Conservatives would be happy if that was the rule of the land.
Because it can't be a mans fault. He is pure and innocent, it's those evil, sexy, women. With their eyes and legs and boobs and.....
 
2013-07-12 12:04:44 PM

Lexx: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: jayhawk88: Drew P Balls: Thank goodness for right to work legislation.  I think it may have saved that dentist's marriage.

And what a marriage it is too!

"Honey, I wanted to have an affair with an attractive woman."
"WHAT???"
"But it's OK! I fired her!"
"Oh, well, OK then. Because I know for a fact that the only way you would ever meet another attractive woman is if she worked for you."

They must be fundies. This sounds like a "remove the temptation" thing that would sound completely reasonable and logical to people like that.

If I remember the earlier story correctly, Boss Hog kept sending explicit texts to the employee and his wife found out and - after meeting with his pastor - decided to fire her because they couldn't legally dress her in a burka.

Sexual harassment lawsuit in 3..2..1..


Oh please, please let this happen!
 
2013-07-12 12:06:43 PM

Magorn: Well, it CAN be an impediment to productivity in the office.  When running a team of contractors at a fed agency  I once hired a girl (on the basis of a telphone interview ironically enough)  so incandescantly hot, she even made me a little weak in the knees to look at her.  At the end of the first week I actually had to have a sit-down with the Center Director (gov side) to tell him that he needed to put a leash on half of his senior staff, as my employee was being pestered by very senior GS-14& 15 Kawyers and managers who kept stopping by her desk to offer to "show her around", "Train" her (my job), or just "make sure she had all the supplies she needed" (a gs-15 who  didn't even know where the supply closet WAS mind you).

The day she came in dressed to go out clubbing later that night, I thanked all the gods that I'd actually worked as an Employment Dicrimination/Sexual Harrasmen lawyer on the Plaintiff's side for a summer, so I knew pretty much EXACTLY what I could and could not legally say, as I tried to make her aware that while we had no dress code,  a corset top and short skirt wasn't giving her the professional image she needed to maintain (and was causing physical pain to some of the horndogs in the office-but I didn't say that part)


You're totally doing it wrong. The first few days you're around her, you need to put out a strong "in the closet but HR and supervisors don't know" vibe. Use the "Name that color" Javascript app so that you can say things like "that's a nice shade of Apricot on your nail polish", or "Hawaiian tan shoes don't really go with those slacks".

Within 2 weeks, you can be staring at her cleavage from 8 inches away and she'll think you're displeased with the fabric of her top...
 
2013-07-12 12:06:59 PM
Of course, it's always the harlot's fault for causing her brothers in Christ to stumble. I bet she even wore clothes that exposed her ankles, causing him to sin by having impure thoughts.

/been reading a lot lately on patriarchal Christianity and the purity/modesty culture. It's disgusting how they put blame solely on women for men's actions.
 
2013-07-12 12:07:26 PM
I bet a million dollars he replaced her with a younger woman.

And all-female assistants are normal in dental offices.
 
2013-07-12 12:07:44 PM

Harry Freakstorm: It's Iowa, so that's like five women. Prove me wrong Farkers. Prove me wrong with photographic evidence.


Two more to add:

From Cedar Rapids:

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From Dubuque:

i283.photobucket.com
 
2013-07-12 12:07:54 PM

Harry Freakstorm: It's Iowa, so that's like five women. Prove me wrong Farkers. Prove me wrong with photographic evidence.

/No boss Friday.


I'm trying to figure out if this is a Mormon joke or not.
media.metronews.topscms.com
 
2013-07-12 12:08:35 PM

Lexx: So here's a question: can someone tell me about the acquittal of the puppy-killer?


That's what I came here for too..
 
2013-07-12 12:09:14 PM

redmid17: tortilla burger: She had warned the opinion could allow bosses to legally fire ... small-breasted workers in favor of big-breasted workers.

If I recall correctly, I believe you're allowed to discriminate against ugly/attractive people during the hiring process...even without the "my wife made me do it" defense. It would be odd to have mismatching rulings on hiring and firing employees based the same criterion.

That being said, it seems like nowadays you can be fired for any made-up reason, the employer just has to choose a politically correct made-up reason. Not that it really matters, when it comes down to it.

In a right to work employment at will state you can be fired for any reason that doesn't discriminate against a protected class?


FTFY
Right to work =/= employment at will
 
2013-07-12 12:09:15 PM
The only 'threat to his marriage' was his ridiculous imagination, cuz baldy wasn't EVER hittin' that.

His problem, not hers, but he still gets to fire her.  Maybe the Iowa Dental Board should jerk his professional license and tell him that it was because they all preferred Ferraris.
 
2013-07-12 12:09:32 PM

I should be in the kitchen: Of course, it's always the harlot's fault for causing her brothers in Christ to stumble. I bet she even wore clothes that exposed her ankles, causing him to sin by having impure thoughts.

/been reading a lot lately on patriarchal Christianity and the purity/modesty culture. It's disgusting how they put blame solely on women for men's actions.


I like how it's assumed she would allow him to ravage her if he wanted to
 
2013-07-12 12:10:12 PM
So basically, if you're a relatively attractive woman you should find another dentist because this dude has no impulse control. The other dentists in the city should put that on a billboard.
 
2013-07-12 12:11:12 PM
She'd give me an awkward dentist chair stiffy.
 
2013-07-12 12:15:47 PM
I have only 2 things:

She should be insulted that the presumption is that she would roll over for this guy at his whim.

Guys should be insulted that this guy has made a precedent that men have no impulse control and it is a woman's fault that they can't control themselves.

/had to check twice that this wasn't in the Middle East
 
2013-07-12 12:17:23 PM
Wont somebody please think of the beautifull people!
 
2013-07-12 12:17:38 PM

dustygrimp: She'd give me an awkward dentist chair stiffy.


Is it 'safe'?
 
2013-07-12 12:18:52 PM
"She smells like bananas, and I hate bananas", "He looked at me funny", and "those fingernails are an odd shade of green" are also not valid causes for discrimination suits.  If you don't like the store's policies, don't work there, don't shop there, and feel free to peacefully picket with signs of "Asshole in charge here" - he certainly seems to fit the bill.

However, we really  really don't want the government telling us who we can hire/fire.  "Attractive" is not a protected class.

Where do you folks find the seemingly endless fount of outrage to spend on these cases?
 
2013-07-12 12:22:22 PM

ZeroPly: Magorn: Well, it CAN be an impediment to productivity in the office.  When running a team of contractors at a fed agency  I once hired a girl (on the basis of a telphone interview ironically enough)  so incandescantly hot, she even made me a little weak in the knees to look at her.  At the end of the first week I actually had to have a sit-down with the Center Director (gov side) to tell him that he needed to put a leash on half of his senior staff, as my employee was being pestered by very senior GS-14& 15 Kawyers and managers who kept stopping by her desk to offer to "show her around", "Train" her (my job), or just "make sure she had all the supplies she needed" (a gs-15 who  didn't even know where the supply closet WAS mind you).

The day she came in dressed to go out clubbing later that night, I thanked all the gods that I'd actually worked as an Employment Dicrimination/Sexual Harrasmen lawyer on the Plaintiff's side for a summer, so I knew pretty much EXACTLY what I could and could not legally say, as I tried to make her aware that while we had no dress code,  a corset top and short skirt wasn't giving her the professional image she needed to maintain (and was causing physical pain to some of the horndogs in the office-but I didn't say that part)

You're totally doing it wrong. The first few days you're around her, you need to put out a strong "in the closet but HR and supervisors don't know" vibe. Use the "Name that color" Javascript app so that you can say things like "that's a nice shade of Apricot on your nail polish", or "Hawaiian tan shoes don't really go with those slacks".

Within 2 weeks, you can be staring at her cleavage from 8 inches away and she'll think you're displeased with the fabric of her top...


www.squidmobile.com
 
2013-07-12 12:22:57 PM

Belias: "She smells like bananas, and I hate bananas", "He looked at me funny", and "those fingernails are an odd shade of green" are also not valid causes for discrimination suits.  If you don't like the store's policies, don't work there, don't shop there, and feel free to peacefully picket with signs of "Asshole in charge here" - he certainly seems to fit the bill.

However, we really  really don't want the government telling us who we can hire/fire.  "Attractive" is not a protected class.

Where do you folks find the seemingly endless fount of outrage to spend on these cases?


Um, we find it in our inherent sense of dignity and empathy for our fellow citizens, regardless of race, creed, or hotness?
 
2013-07-12 12:23:44 PM

Belias: "She smells like bananas, and I hate bananas", "He looked at me funny", and "those fingernails are an odd shade of green" are also not valid causes for discrimination suits.  If you don't like the store's policies, don't work there, don't shop there, and feel free to peacefully picket with signs of "Asshole in charge here" - he certainly seems to fit the bill.

However, we really  really don't want the government telling us who we can hire/fire.  "Attractive" is not a protected class.

Where do you folks find the seemingly endless fount of outrage to spend on these cases?


The same attitude that men can't control themselves (and it is the woman's fault), when carried to the extreme, has produced the burqa.
 
2013-07-12 12:24:42 PM

sdd2000: redmid17: tortilla burger: She had warned the opinion could allow bosses to legally fire ... small-breasted workers in favor of big-breasted workers.

If I recall correctly, I believe you're allowed to discriminate against ugly/attractive people during the hiring process...even without the "my wife made me do it" defense. It would be odd to have mismatching rulings on hiring and firing employees based the same criterion.

That being said, it seems like nowadays you can be fired for any made-up reason, the employer just has to choose a politically correct made-up reason. Not that it really matters, when it comes down to it.

In a right to work employment at will state you can be fired for any reason that doesn't discriminate against a protected class?

FTFY
Right to work =/= employment at will


"Confusing right to work with at will employment. I'm fired."
 
2013-07-12 12:26:13 PM
And they approved gay marriage.

shiatty Supreme Court for sure.
 
2013-07-12 12:26:27 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-12 12:26:42 PM
Yes he can fire her for that reason. And we all need to know that he is a sexist jerk with a massive ego and no willpower so everyone can stop doing business with a company run by a person like that
 
2013-07-12 12:27:40 PM
Being attractive and being too weak to resist hitting on your employee are two different things.
He's also assuming that she would participate.
i.imgur.com
 
2013-07-12 12:28:53 PM

Lexx: stuffy: As a man I find this verdict insulting. Its like saying we are all walking penises with no impulse control. Whats next Iowa, letting rapist go because the woman was dressed too sexy?

Logically the court is saying anyone can fire anyone they're attracted to.


I want to fark Sarah Palin. If she is ever elected president, can she be thrown out of office based on that, or do 270 members of the Electoral College have to want to nail her?
 
2013-07-12 12:28:59 PM
Ya know the difference between a bowling ball and an Iowa girl?

You can eat a bowling ball if you absolutely have to.
 
2013-07-12 12:29:24 PM
Maybe George Zimmerman's defense team should have had his trial moved to Iowa. From the sound of it, he'd have received a slap on the wrist, i.e.: community service.
 
2013-07-12 12:30:04 PM

hardinparamedic: How, in the hell, is this not gender discrimination in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

Can someone who has a GED in Law Explain this to me?


Are you SURE you want the Supreme Court considering the validity of the Civil Rights Act of 1964?
 
2013-07-12 12:30:13 PM

Ozone_Ranger: Guys should be insulted that this guy has made a precedent that men have no impulse control and it is a woman's fault that they can't control themselves


No. This is one stupid guy. Only a drooling moran would take his actions to be indicative of "[all] men".
- if a particular man murders somebody, does that mean that men are killers?
- if a particular man cheats on his taxes, does that mean that men are dishonest?
 
2013-07-12 12:30:25 PM

tortilla burger: She had warned the opinion could allow bosses to legally fire ... small-breasted workers in favor of big-breasted workers.

If I recall correctly, I believe you're allowed to discriminate against ugly/attractive people during the hiring process...even without the "my wife made me do it" defense. It would be odd to have mismatching rulings on hiring and firing employees based the same criterion.

That being said, it seems like nowadays you can be fired for any made-up reason, the employer just has to choose a politically correct made-up reason. Not that it really matters, when it comes down to it.


Complaining about political correctiveness = white man's victim card.

Because the case in the article had noting to do with being political correct, you just wanted an excuse to play the victim card.
 
2013-07-12 12:31:48 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: [m5.paperblog.com image 850x637]

Uh, hmmm, well 2 out of 5 ain't bad.


Saw the picture, thought "hmmm. 2 out of 5", scrolled down and saw your comment.

Laughed pretty farking hard.

/GUYS!!!!
 
2013-07-12 12:33:21 PM
It's sad really. She didn't do anything wrong, yet gets fired cause her boss is a horn dog who can't stop thinking about banging her. Sounds more like he wanted to fark her, and she was not willing. And what is even sadder, is court found against her, but now that the PUBLIC is angry at a clear violation of her rights as an employee, they are reconsidering. WTF. Do the right thing in the first place, make that asshole pay for lost wages, mental anguish, and whatever else you can think of. She worked for you for 10 years, just because you wanna bang her and she doesn't want you is no cause for termination.

/fark you supreme douchebags.
 
2013-07-12 12:33:50 PM

Latinwolf: tortilla burger: She had warned the opinion could allow bosses to legally fire ... small-breasted workers in favor of big-breasted workers.

If I recall correctly, I believe you're allowed to discriminate against ugly/attractive people during the hiring process...even without the "my wife made me do it" defense. It would be odd to have mismatching rulings on hiring and firing employees based the same criterion.

That being said, it seems like nowadays you can be fired for any made-up reason, the employer just has to choose a politically correct made-up reason. Not that it really matters, when it comes down to it.

Complaining about political correctiveness = white man's victim card.

Because the case in the article had noting to do with being political correct, you just wanted an excuse to play the victim card.


I bet in your head, your comment makes some sort of sense.

But only in your head...
 
2013-07-12 12:35:23 PM

stuffy: As a man I find this verdict insulting. Its like saying we are all walking penises with no impulse control. Whats next Iowa, letting rapist go because the woman was dressed too sexy?


/sounds like islamist countries where the women can be stoned to death for showing an ankle, because apparently, showing any skin of any kind there turns the men into slobbering rapists, and its all the womans fault.  Same douchbaggery, different country.
 
2013-07-12 12:36:20 PM

MikeBoomshadow: Lexx: stuffy: As a man I find this verdict insulting. Its like saying we are all walking penises with no impulse control. Whats next Iowa, letting rapist go because the woman was dressed too sexy?

Logically the court is saying anyone can fire anyone they're attracted to.

I want to fark Sarah Palin. If she is ever elected president, can she be thrown out of office based on that, or do 270 members of the Electoral College have to want to nail her?


I wouldn't worry.  If she ever gets to be President, we'll all be farked.
 
2013-07-12 12:38:27 PM
I wonder if he'll think it's fair that I am afraid I'll have this irrepressible urge to kick him in the balls any time I'm near him.
 
2013-07-12 12:40:02 PM

blatz514: Harry Freakstorm: It's Iowa, so that's like five women. Prove me wrong Farkers. Prove me wrong with photographic evidence.

/No boss Friday.

Found her..

[o.aolcdn.com image 627x422]


Robyn Hilton was from Idaho.
 
2013-07-12 12:40:19 PM
Dentists man... I don't know what it is.  I have never met a dentist that wasn't some kind of megalomaniac.
 
2013-07-12 12:40:25 PM

zvoidx: Being attractive and being too weak to resist hitting on your employee are two different things.
He's also assuming that she would participate.
[i.imgur.com image 234x175]


Oh you know hot dental hygienists.  They all want to grind, then polish your brains out.
 
2013-07-12 12:42:29 PM

WhippingBoy: Ozone_Ranger: Guys should be insulted that this guy has made a precedent that men have no impulse control and it is a woman's fault that they can't control themselves

No. This is one stupid guy. Only a drooling moran would take his actions to be indicative of "[all] men".
- if a particular man murders somebody, does that mean that men are killers?
- if a particular man cheats on his taxes, does that mean that men are dishonest?


You act like no one on Fark has ever attempted to judge all members of a particular group for the actions of a few.
 
2013-07-12 12:44:14 PM

mediablitz: Latinwolf: tortilla burger: She had warned the opinion could allow bosses to legally fire ... small-breasted workers in favor of big-breasted workers.

If I recall correctly, I believe you're allowed to discriminate against ugly/attractive people during the hiring process...even without the "my wife made me do it" defense. It would be odd to have mismatching rulings on hiring and firing employees based the same criterion.

That being said, it seems like nowadays you can be fired for any made-up reason, the employer just has to choose a politically correct made-up reason. Not that it really matters, when it comes down to it.

Complaining about political correctiveness = white man's victim card.

Because the case in the article had noting to do with being political correct, you just wanted an excuse to play the victim card.

I bet in your head, your comment makes some sort of sense.

But only in your head...


Don't blame me if you lack the intelligence to understand some things.
 
2013-07-12 12:44:48 PM

insano: digitalrain: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 400x300]

[cdn.bleacherreport.net image 350x390]     [cocktales.files.wordpress.com image 432x324]


[www.culttv.plus.com image 185x280]    [www.webwombat.com.au image 300x433]

Umm, Florida State girls? Says so right on their shirts.


Dayum Write!  It is great living in Tallahassee when the sudents are in town.

/Except for the way they drive.
//and that loud music they play.
///I grow onions in my yard so stay out of it!
 
2013-07-12 12:45:48 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Belias: "She smells like bananas, and I hate bananas", "He looked at me funny", and "those fingernails are an odd shade of green" are also not valid causes for discrimination suits.  If you don't like the store's policies, don't work there, don't shop there, and feel free to peacefully picket with signs of "Asshole in charge here" - he certainly seems to fit the bill.

However, we really  really don't want the government telling us who we can hire/fire.  "Attractive" is not a protected class.

Where do you folks find the seemingly endless fount of outrage to spend on these cases?

Um, we find it in our inherent sense of dignity and empathy for our fellow citizens, regardless of race, creed, or hotness?


For normal people yes, but Libertarians find those ideas to be evil.
 
2013-07-12 12:46:47 PM

thecpt: I should be in the kitchen: Of course, it's always the harlot's fault for causing her brothers in Christ to stumble. I bet she even wore clothes that exposed her ankles, causing him to sin by having impure thoughts.

/been reading a lot lately on patriarchal Christianity and the purity/modesty culture. It's disgusting how they put blame solely on women for men's actions.

I like how it's assumed she would allow him to ravage her if he wanted to


But it wasn't assumed.  He fired her because he would TRY to sleep with her - leading to marital issues, sexual harassment issues, etc.  No assumption that she would allow him; just that he would make the attempt.
 
2013-07-12 12:47:39 PM

Mock26: [img.photobucket.com image 343x273]


dj_bigbird: [www.wtsp.com image 640x360]



The evidence suggests she is a mouth breather.
 
2013-07-12 12:52:39 PM

I should be in the kitchen: Of course, it's always the harlot's fault for causing her brothers in Christ to stumble. I bet she even wore clothes that exposed her ankles, causing him to sin by having impure thoughts.

/been reading a lot lately on patriarchal Christianity and the purity/modesty culture. It's disgusting how they put blame solely on women for men's actions.



You want a really interesting anthropological/Historical perspective on that, that I stumbled across years ago that to me explains everything?

The concept of fatherhood is more or less entirely to blame for women's lack of equality, the patriarchal modesty culture, the whole 9  yards.

If you think about it, Becuase there is a 9-month lag between cause and effect, the male role in creating children is not an inheriently obvious concept, and it took cultures around the world vary degrees of time to figure it out.   Before they did women tended to have a degree of sexual, and economic freedom and equality that disappaered afterwards.  You can basically trace when this happend across cultures by pinpointing the shift from the worship of the female Mother Goddesses, to the creation of a pantheon of Male sky-gods who took leadership over the female goddesses (Some folklorists/archaeologists believe he reason Zeus and Hera seem to always hate each other's guts is that the Greek myths in the form that was passed down to us contain echoes of that shift in worship and the hard feeling it caused among the priests of the older order).

One of the few societies in which we have recorded history/mythology from before that switch took place is the Celtic societies of Ireland and Britain, particularly in the Myth cycles of King Math from what would eventually become Wales.   In the oldest stories it is clear that a concept of fatherhood does not exist in that society.   Inheritance (just like in early Jewish society for instance) is Matrilineal, even for male positions of power.  For example, the kingship is passed from Uncle to Nephew ( from a man to his sister's son in other words).  And when we look at thier societety we see lots of tales of women interacting as equals with men and hold roles were later think of as male only.

Cú Chulainn , for example is the early celtic version of Batman, the greatest warrior, by far, or his age, but it's significant that all the legends credit Scáthach, a Scottish (Dalridian) female cheiftan, as being the one who taught him how to fight and gave him all his skill at arms (and who took him as a lover for a while)

And it all makes sense.  When children are just something women spontaneously generate, there is not real reason to try to control thier every movement, who they sleep with etc.  But the minute you realize the connection between sex and fatherhood, the only way for a male to ensure that the kids he is raising are actually HIS is to have enough control over his women that they have no opportunity to mate with anyone else.  This means keeping them more or less confined to the homestead and limited in what they can and cannot do.
 
2013-07-12 12:55:10 PM

vudutek: Sounds like a case for Diana Moon Glampers.

/Knows this isn't obscure.


One of my favorite short stories.
 
2013-07-12 12:56:13 PM

Unoriginal_Username: stuffy: As a man I find this verdict insulting. Its like saying we are all walking penises with no impulse control. Whats next Iowa, letting rapist go because the woman was dressed too sexy?

From everything I've seen/heard/read. Conservatives would be happy if that was the rule of the land.
Because it can't be a mans fault. He is pure and innocent, it's those evil, sexy, women. With their eyes and legs and boobs and.....


And then they complain that Muslims are evil and we have stop stop Sharia law.
 
2013-07-12 12:58:47 PM

catmandu: Belias: "She smells like bananas, and I hate bananas", "He looked at me funny", and "those fingernails are an odd shade of green" are also not valid causes for discrimination suits.  If you don't like the store's policies, don't work there, don't shop there, and feel free to peacefully picket with signs of "Asshole in charge here" - he certainly seems to fit the bill.

However, we really  really don't want the government telling us who we can hire/fire.  "Attractive" is not a protected class.

Where do you folks find the seemingly endless fount of outrage to spend on these cases?

The same attitude that men can't control themselves (and it is the woman's fault), when carried to the extreme, has produced the burqa Texas politics.


FTFY
 
2013-07-12 01:04:58 PM

Electromax: So basically, if you're a relatively attractive woman you should find another dentist because this dude has no impulse control. The other dentists in the city should put that on a billboard.


At the very least, don't let him put you under general anaesthesia or you might get more than just your teeth drilled.
 
2013-07-12 01:05:50 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: I bet a million dollars he replaced her with a younger woman.

And all-female assistants are normal in dental offices.


This guy has always hired women.  That was part of his defense.
 
2013-07-12 01:06:43 PM
At will state?   Sucks......
 
2013-07-12 01:08:15 PM
Sharia law now supported in Iowa.
She's lucky they didn't kill her.
 
2013-07-12 01:10:11 PM

Unoriginal_Username: stuffy: As a man I find this verdict insulting. Its like saying we are all walking penises with no impulse control. Whats next Iowa, letting rapist go because the woman was dressed too sexy?

From everything I've seen/heard/read. Conservatives would be happy if that was the rule of the land.
Because it can't be a mans fault. He is pure and innocent, it's those evil, sexy, women. With their eyes and legs and boobs and.....


And yet, these same folks consider Muslims animals for believing the same thing and codifying into their laws.
 
2013-07-12 01:10:45 PM
Given the landscape of sexual harassment lawsuits in the business world, an employee who will likely cause you to lose a lot of money need to be let go. As long as sexual harassment is completely subjective and costs business millions you should expect them to try and lower their risk.
 
2013-07-12 01:13:57 PM
Damn I'd give her canal a good rooting. I'd bet she looks better all made up and ready for a night out.


/fap
 
2013-07-12 01:14:54 PM

Magorn: I should be in the kitchen: Of course, it's always the harlot's fault for causing her brothers in Christ to stumble. I bet she even wore clothes that exposed her ankles, causing him to sin by having impure thoughts.

/been reading a lot lately on patriarchal Christianity and the purity/modesty culture. It's disgusting how they put blame solely on women for men's actions.


You want a really interesting anthropological/Historical perspective on that, that I stumbled across years ago that to me explains everything?

The concept of fatherhood is more or less entirely to blame for women's lack of equality, the patriarchal modesty culture, the whole 9  yards.

If you think about it, Becuase there is a 9-month lag between cause and effect, the male role in creating children is not an inheriently obvious concept, and it took cultures around the world vary degrees of time to figure it out.   Before they did women tended to have a degree of sexual, and economic freedom and equality that disappaered afterwards.  You can basically trace when this happend across cultures by pinpointing the shift from the worship of the female Mother Goddesses, to the creation of a pantheon of Male sky-gods who took leadership over the female goddesses (Some folklorists/archaeologists believe he reason Zeus and Hera seem to always hate each other's guts is that the Greek myths in the form that was passed down to us contain echoes of that shift in worship and the hard feeling it caused among the priests of the older order).

One of the few societies in which we have recorded history/mythology from before that switch took place is the Celtic societies of Ireland and Britain, particularly in the Myth cycles of King Math from what would eventually become Wales.   In the oldest stories it is clear that a concept of fatherhood does not exist in that society.   Inheritance (just like in early Jewish society for instance) is Matrilineal, even for male positions of power.  For example, the kingship is passed from Uncle to Nephew ( from a man to his sister's son in other words).  And when we look at thier societety we see lots of tales of women interacting as equals with men and hold roles were later think of as male only.

Cú Chulainn , for example is the early celtic version of Batman, the greatest warrior, by far, or his age, but it's significant that all the legends credit Scáthach, a Scottish (Dalridian) female cheiftan, as being the one who taught him how to fight and gave him all his skill at arms (and who took him as a lover for a while)

And it all makes sense.  When children are just something women spontaneously generate, there is not real reason to try to control thier every movement, who they sleep with etc.  But the minute you realize the connection between sex and fatherhood, the only way for a male to ensure that the kids he is raising are actually HIS is to have enough control over his women that they have no opportunity to mate with anyone else.  This means keeping them more or less confined to the homestead and limited in what they can and cannot do.


That actually is a pretty interesting explanation for it. But if you were to ask someone in the culture I was referencing, today, you know how they would explain it? It all goes back to Eve "causing" Adam to sin. They really think men have so little self control that they can't resist our "feminine wiles." That belief system is so offensive to both genders. Now, I don't know if the guy in TFA ascribes to those beliefs, but it sure sounds like he does.
 
2013-07-12 01:19:12 PM
"Cochrane said the court "over and over" noted that Nelson was fired because of a consensual workplace relationship"

They may not have been farking but they were flirting, and she was participating. His wife found out, she got pissed and told him to fire the assistant, he did. It sucks, both the doc and the assistant are at fault, but the dentist owns the business and didn't do anything illegal wrt something like sexual harassment. I expect the threat to the marriage was his wife making that a condition of them staying married and not something so simple as this woman innocently flouncing around in sexy clothes while he salivated and rubbed his junk on the suction hose the way this shiat is written out to sound like.
 
2013-07-12 01:21:22 PM
Magorn:Cú Chulainn , for example is the early celtic version of Batman

While I found your entire post intriuging, this little piece just jumped out and smacked me across the face.  I never, ever thought about it that way and now I can't get the image out of my head of an early celtic Batman.  Bwahahaha!

/off to GIS for "celtic Batman"
//the weird shiat you find on Fark
 
2013-07-12 01:24:47 PM

Tyrone Biggums: APPLICANT: Well, I type about 90 words a minute. I'm completely well-versed in all IBM and Macintosh programs.

GEORGE: (looking over her resume) Well Miss Coggins you're ah, obviously qualified for the job. You've all the necessary skills and experience. But you're extremely attractive. you're gorgeous. I'm looking at you, I can't even remember my name. So ah, I'm afraid this is not going to work out (he crumples her resume into a ball) Thanks for coming in.


George: Also 1990 called and they want their terms for Windows and Mac back.  Perhaps you should update your resume'.

/I need to update mine too.
 
2013-07-12 01:28:16 PM

catmandu: Harry Freakstorm: It's Iowa, so that's like five women. Prove me wrong Farkers. Prove me wrong with photographic evidence.


Two more to add:

From Cedar Rapids:

[i283.photobucket.com image 327x400]

From Dubuque:

[i283.photobucket.com image 299x400]


Yea, I couldn't find any hot ones either.
 
2013-07-12 01:28:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJIh70IZua8">http://www.youtube.com/wa tch?v=sJIh70IZua8
 
2013-07-12 01:33:58 PM

WhippingBoy: Ozone_Ranger: Guys should be insulted that this guy has made a precedent that men have no impulse control and it is a woman's fault that they can't control themselves

No. This is one stupid guy. Only a drooling moran would take his actions to be indicative of "[all] men".
- if a particular man murders somebody, does that mean that men are killers?
- if a particular man cheats on his taxes, does that mean that men are dishonest?



This is now a legal precedent which can be cited in the future cases of horny employers who decide to fire attractive emplwho don't want to f#ck them.
 
2013-07-12 01:41:00 PM

Barricaded Gunman: WhippingBoy: Ozone_Ranger: Guys should be insulted that this guy has made a precedent that men have no impulse control and it is a woman's fault that they can't control themselves

No. This is one stupid guy. Only a drooling moran would take his actions to be indicative of "[all] men".
- if a particular man murders somebody, does that mean that men are killers?
- if a particular man cheats on his taxes, does that mean that men are dishonest?


This is now a legal precedent which can be cited in the future cases of horny employers who decide to fire attractive emplwho don't want to f#ck them.


Right, but it's also a legal precedent if a female boss fires an attractive male employee, is it not? I'm not arguing that the situation isn't despicable, I'm arguing that these were the actions of an individual idiot, and that stereotyping an entire gender based on this idiot's actions is counter-productive and offensive.
 
2013-07-12 01:47:18 PM

I should be in the kitchen: That actually is a pretty interesting explanation for it. But if you were to ask someone in the culture I was referencing, today, you know how they would explain it? It all goes back to Eve "causing" Adam to sin. They really think men have so little self control that they can't resist our "feminine wiles." That belief system is so offensive to both genders. Now, I don't know if the guy in TFA ascribes to those beliefs, but it sure sounds like he does.


Exactly.  Once a woman's virginity became property of the male authority figure in her life, HE not her was the wronged party if that was taken away, and blaing the woman became part and parcel of that.

In the old Welsh myth cycle I referenced there is actually is a pretty significant story that centers around a rape.  Gywdion, the heir to King math (and later big hero of the cycle) rapes one of the King's "footwarmers".  What's interesting is what heppens next.  First, it's clear that rape is a very rare occurance in that society (some versions say it was the first one ever)  second there's not even the slightest hint of blaming the victim, accusing her of  enticing the hero, that somehow it's the king who has been wronged etc.  Instead the Wizard-King Math essentially says to Gwydion "If you are going to act like a rutting animal with no self control your get to BE an animal" and makes him spend a year and a day each as one of seven different animals before allowing him to revert to human form again.

Now, compare that to how rape is treated in, say Leviticus, where first you have to make sure the woman cried out loud enough that two witnesses heard her, or she just a filthly fornicator, and then, if rape is proved, the rapist is "punished" by having to marry his victim  (basically allowing her father to be rid of what are otherwise dmaged goods)
 
2013-07-12 01:49:34 PM
venus.provocateuse.com

from iowa

/hot
 
2013-07-12 01:54:53 PM
I'm sure that went over so well with his wife.

"Don't worry honey, I was really attracted to that girl at work...  I mean REALLY, REALLY attracted... The things I wanted to do to her... But.. I love you so much that I fired her..  If I hadn't..  I would have tried to start something...  This was the ONLY way for me to keep from trying to have sex at her."
 
2013-07-12 01:56:48 PM

Christian Bale: hardinparamedic: How, in the hell, is this not gender discrimination in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

Can someone who has a GED in Law Explain this to me?

Well, from the ruling, it's based on attraction, not gender. He could just as easily have fired a man whom he felt unduly attracted to.

This is the same supreme court that legalized gay marriage in the state, so they have a track record of not taking gender into account.

I guess the reality that there are more heterosexual males in positions of power and therefore more women that can legally be fired for hotness doesn't matter.

So now I guess the gameplan is: hit on the hotties, but not in an overtly obvious way (so they can't sue for sexual harrassment). If they don't respond positively, fire the biatches. If they complain, cite the Iowa supreme court. Say that they threatened your marriage/peace of mind/whatever. Then the other hotties will see what the score is and learn to play ball or hit the road. Life is good.


" Cady said Nelson once told Knight that she wasn't having much sex and he responded, "That's like having a Lamborghini in the garage and not ever driving it." The dentist had also texted her asking how often she experienced orgasms (she did not respond) and complained that her body distracted him at work, once telling her that if she saw his pants bulging, that was a sign her clothes were too revealing. Knight also gave Nelson more favorable treatment than other workers, and she once texted him that she continued working there "because of you," he noted.
 
2013-07-12 02:11:15 PM

haolegirl: Lexx: So here's a question: can someone tell me about the acquittal of the puppy-killer?

That's what I came here for too..


It was in yesterdays postings.  Go <control F> and type in "puppy"
 
2013-07-12 02:15:50 PM
 
2013-07-12 02:19:02 PM

hardinparamedic: How, in the hell, is this not gender discrimination in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

Can someone who has a GED in Law Explain this to me?


The woman's attorney farked up and never alleged harassment. All the comments are therefore meaningless.

All that's left is "was she fired because she's a woman?" Since every other employee was a woman, and she was replaced by a woman, and the evidence is that it was the extracurricular comments that caused the trouble, the answer was no.
 
2013-07-12 02:23:51 PM

Rabid Turnip: Magorn:Cú Chulainn , for example is the early celtic version of Batman

While I found your entire post intriuging, this little piece just jumped out and smacked me across the face.  I never, ever thought about it that way and now I can't get the image out of my head of an early celtic Batman.  Bwahahaha!

/off to GIS for "celtic Batman"
//the weird shiat you find on Fark



Why is there a batman in nothing but a cowl?

/Seriously, full frontal.
//He's already rich, handsome, smart, and an awesome fighter.  He doesn't need a big wang.
 
2013-07-12 02:27:35 PM
I wonder what the fallout of this will be, if companies will start doing this to avoid future sexual harassment liability.

"Sorry Donna, were gonna have to let you go. Youre too hot. Youre just asking to be sexually harassed with the way you look and the way you dress... then youre gonna be suing the company about it, and thats just not a legal battle we want to fight, so im sorry."
 
2013-07-12 02:29:06 PM

Ozone_Ranger: I have only 2 things:

She should be insulted that the presumption is that she would roll over for this guy at his whim.

Guys should be insulted that this guy has made a precedent that men have no impulse control and it is a woman's fault that they can't control themselves.

/had to check twice that this wasn't in the Middle East


Religious conservatives in EVERY religion are like this.  This is why atheism is catching on so quickly.  Young people assume that every religious person is a conservative nut-job and opt out.
 
2013-07-12 02:31:57 PM

Cyno01: I wonder what the fallout of this will be, if companies will start doing this to avoid future sexual harassment liability.

"Sorry Donna, were gonna have to let you go. Youre too hot. Youre just asking to be sexually harassed with the way you look and the way you dress... then youre gonna be suing the company about it, and thats just not a legal battle we want to fight, so im sorry."


No, because as the court points out repeatedly, she never alleged harassment. Which is a big reason she lost.
 
2013-07-12 02:33:47 PM

Unoriginal_Username: stuffy: As a man I find this verdict insulting. Its like saying we are all walking penises with no impulse control. Whats next Iowa, letting rapist go because the woman was dressed too sexy?

From everything I've seen/heard/read. Conservatives would be happy if that was the rule of the land.
Because it can't be a mans fault. He is pure and innocent, it's those evil, sexy, women. With their eyes and legs and boobs and.....


Then you need to see/hear/read other things.
 
2013-07-12 02:46:05 PM

redmid17: tortilla burger: She had warned the opinion could allow bosses to legally fire ... small-breasted workers in favor of big-breasted workers.

If I recall correctly, I believe you're allowed to discriminate against ugly/attractive people during the hiring process...even without the "my wife made me do it" defense. It would be odd to have mismatching rulings on hiring and firing employees based the same criterion.

That being said, it seems like nowadays you can be fired for any made-up reason, the employer just has to choose a politically correct made-up reason. Not that it really matters, when it comes down to it.

In a right to work state you can be fired for any reason that doesn't discriminate against a protected class?

"I don't like the way you answer the phone. Fired."
"I don't like the way you lean back in your chair after lunch. Fired"
"You have a nasally voice that makes the managers want to throw you off the roof. Fired"


And again someone who doesn't understand the differences between a 'right to work' law and a 'at will employment law'. Right to work doesn't mean anything at all in your context.
 
2013-07-12 02:49:40 PM

catmandu: Harry Freakstorm: It's Iowa, so that's like five women. Prove me wrong Farkers. Prove me wrong with photographic evidence.


Two more to add:

From Cedar Rapids:

[i283.photobucket.com image 327x400]

From Dubuque:

[i283.photobucket.com image 299x400]


i.imgur.com

That may be the nerdiest post in the history of Fark.

I mean, either you happened to know off the top of your head the birthplaces/childhood residencies of everyone/everywoman on every "Star Trek," or the first place you went when looking for attractive Iowans was "Star Trek." There's just no way around it. You are a massive, massive nerd.
 
2013-07-12 02:55:40 PM

LordBeavis: Ozone_Ranger: I have only 2 things:

She should be insulted that the presumption is that she would roll over for this guy at his whim.

Guys should be insulted that this guy has made a precedent that men have no impulse control and it is a woman's fault that they can't control themselves.

/had to check twice that this wasn't in the Middle East

Religious conservatives in EVERY religion are like this.  This is why atheism is catching on so quickly.  Young people assume that every religious person is a conservative nut-job and opt out.


This isn't religious conservatism, this the guys wife demanding he fire his young assistant because of 6 months of inappropriate texting between the two of them. Assistant had to eat a plate of shiat because she's not the business owner. It isn't fair, but it's not conservatism or womens rights or harassment or anything like that, it's what happens when you let professional relationships cross into the personal.

All this shiat about gender equality, nobody seems to give a shiat about the guys wife.
 
2013-07-12 02:55:52 PM

nocturnal001: Well done Iowa, well done.

BTW, so who the heck would ever go see that dentist again? Even if you don't care about shiatty behavior, that guy must be off his rocker to do that.


you are forgetting that if you are a hot woman, he will probably rape you..

/he can't help it...
 
2013-07-12 02:56:36 PM

Diana: WTF, Iowa?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/10/iowa-man-use-baseball-bat-to-ki ll -puppy-wasnt-animal-torture-appeals-court/


Reading TFA, it seems the problem may have been over-reach by the prosecutor, and/or a badly-written law:

Scott County Attorney Mike Walton, whose office prosecuted the case, said lawmakers should consider removing the "depraved" and "sadistic" language from the law.

Not that there's  any way to justify this guy's actions. There's obviously something wrong with this guy that taking the dog to a shelter wasn't the first option. But the problem here that lead to this decision appears to be the language of the law, and possibly the lack of better options for the prosecutor.
 
2013-07-12 02:58:07 PM

stuffy: As a man I find this verdict insulting. Its like saying we are all walking penises with no impulse control. Whats next Iowa, letting rapist go because the woman was dressed too sexy?


I was thinking the same thing. I work in a building with many attractive women. Now would I like to bang the fark out of em. Yup. Do I? Nope. And I have been in social setting with them where maybe something could have happend. Its this little thing called self control.
 
2013-07-12 03:05:20 PM

TryptophanX86: His paitents must all be as ugly as a box of smashed @$$holes...


That's why I buy my assholes in a can. It keeps them from getting smashed and they are much easier on the eyes.
 
2013-07-12 03:09:16 PM

stuffy: As a man I find this verdict insulting. Its like saying we are all walking penises with no impulse control. Whats next Iowa, letting rapist go because the woman was dressed too sexy?


THANK YOU, I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS.

/Also, did anyone else notice that she basically got fired for being sexually harassed? She never even answered most of those texts.
//I seriously hope she sues his ass off for that.
 
2013-07-12 03:11:17 PM

StaleCoffee: ...

All this shiat about gender equality, nobody seems to give a shiat about the guys wife.



It's not that we don't care, it's that she doesn't seem to.  While firing her got rid of the short-term problem and possibly some deep-seated entanglements, there still exists a long-term trust/boundries/you cheating bastard issue that this will not solve.  Her short-sighted solution will allow him to continue this behavior with his remaining employees.  I'm rather certain that will come up as he is surrounded by nothing but female employees and in a dozen there's at least one attractive one in the bunch. Even if just by comparison.
 
2013-07-12 03:15:34 PM
So that's Iowa hot. No wonder she lost the case.

/but seriously, what a bad ruling
 
2013-07-12 03:17:35 PM

StaleCoffee: They may not have been farking but they were flirting, and she was participating. His wife found out, she got pissed and told him to fire the assistant, he did... I expect the threat to the marriage was his wife making that a condition of them staying married...


This is exactly the reaction that I had to the story.  While it's possible that this guy is biased against hotties, it's much more likely that he's trying to hold his marriage together in the face of a wife ultimatum.
 
2013-07-12 03:22:41 PM

Moodybastard: nocturnal001: Well done Iowa, well done.

BTW, so who the heck would ever go see that dentist again? Even if you don't care about shiatty behavior, that guy must be off his rocker to do that.

you are forgetting that if you are a hot woman, he will probably rape you..

/he can't help it...


True, it's for her own good.  Otherwise we would have had a fark thread where people were saying how it was partly her fault for getting raped because she worked alongside a man.
 
2013-07-12 03:40:47 PM

mike_d85: StaleCoffee: ...

All this shiat about gender equality, nobody seems to give a shiat about the guys wife.


It's not that we don't care, it's that she doesn't seem to.  While firing her got rid of the short-term problem and possibly some deep-seated entanglements, there still exists a long-term trust/boundries/you cheating bastard issue that this will not solve.  Her short-sighted solution will allow him to continue this behavior with his remaining employees.  I'm rather certain that will come up as he is surrounded by nothing but female employees and in a dozen there's at least one attractive one in the bunch. Even if just by comparison.


You know for a fact that it ended with the firing and they didn't even so much as buy a book on the subject to discuss it?

If that is the case then yeah, you're right. OTOH it's not unlikely that's step one to a bundle deal, but still, you convey the fault as hers by calling it "her short sighted solution" rather than his.
 
2013-07-12 03:53:54 PM

dartben: Cyno01: I wonder what the fallout of this will be, if companies will start doing this to avoid future sexual harassment liability.

"Sorry Donna, were gonna have to let you go. Youre too hot. Youre just asking to be sexually harassed with the way you look and the way you dress... then youre gonna be suing the company about it, and thats just not a legal battle we want to fight, so im sorry."

No, because as the court points out repeatedly, she never alleged harassment. Which is a big reason she lost.


You misunderstand, im talking about in defense of possible future lawsuits, which is exactly what happened here, "This chick is really hot, im gonna try to bang her and then shell probably sue me for sexual harassment, so i better get rid of her before that happens."
 
2013-07-12 03:56:51 PM

100 Watt Walrus: catmandu: Harry Freakstorm: It's Iowa, so that's like five women. Prove me wrong Farkers. Prove me wrong with photographic evidence.


Two more to add:

From Cedar Rapids:

[i283.photobucket.com image 327x400]

From Dubuque:

[i283.photobucket.com image 299x400]

[i.imgur.com image 320x240]

That may be the nerdiest post in the history of Fark.

I mean, either you happened to know off the top of your head the birthplaces/childhood residencies of everyone/everywoman on every "Star Trek," or the first place you went when looking for attractive Iowans was "Star Trek." There's just no way around it. You are a massive, massive nerd.


Harcourt!
 
2013-07-12 04:06:31 PM

catmandu: Harry Freakstorm: It's Iowa, so that's like five women. Prove me wrong Farkers. Prove me wrong with photographic evidence.


Two more to add:

From Cedar Rapids:

[i283.photobucket.com image 327x400]

From Dubuque:

[i283.photobucket.com image 299x400]


Got snot-slingin' drunk with Kate a long time ago at a bar in Dubuque when she wandered in on a visit to her folks and I happened to be sitting with one of her college classmates.  Good fun.  Still the only person I've gotten loaded with that had their own action figure.

/Miss The Redstone
//And her old college classmate (RIP Michael)
///engage slashies!
 
2013-07-12 04:16:25 PM

exick: It may be shiatty, but I don't think attractiveness is a protected class. You can be fired/not hired for being an uggo too.


Only in positions where you attractiveness directly affects how you can do the job - EG exotic dancer, actress, model, even waitresses in certain places. Being cute has absolutely nothing to do with dentistry. I should know. The dental assistant who usually works on me at the place I go to is middle aged and gross looking, but she sucks at her job because she can't steady her hands for shiat, not because she's not good looking.
 
2013-07-12 04:25:08 PM
I think courts have no business telling employers whom they can or cannot hire / fire / promote / etc.
 
2013-07-12 04:31:35 PM
And Americans say they don't want Sharia Law. They already have it.
 
2013-07-12 04:47:56 PM

StaleCoffee: All this shiat about gender equality, nobody seems to give a shiat about the guys wife.


The only person actually expected to "give a shiat about the guys wife" is the dentist himself, and I'd say he got away pretty easily here.
 
2013-07-12 05:07:36 PM

Tanishh: The dental assistant who usually works on me at the place I go to is middle aged and gross...


Condolences.  My dental hygienist is a hot surfer mom, and the reason why my visits to that house of lies are tolerable.
 
2013-07-12 05:20:52 PM

Barricaded Gunman: StaleCoffee: All this shiat about gender equality, nobody seems to give a shiat about the guys wife.

The only person actually expected to "give a shiat about the guys wife" is the dentist himself, and I'd say he got away pretty easily here.


I didn't realize I was expected to give a shiat about the assistant either. I will go take a dump in her honor.
 
2013-07-12 05:26:31 PM
Note to self: never move to Iowa.

//or even visit/drive thru the f*cking POS state.
 
2013-07-12 05:26:39 PM

100 Watt Walrus: catmandu: Harry Freakstorm: It's Iowa, so that's like five women. Prove me wrong Farkers. Prove me wrong with photographic evidence.

That may be the nerdiest post in the history of Fark.

I mean, either you happened to know off the top of your head the birthplaces/childhood residencies of everyone/everywoman on every "Star Trek," or the first place you went when looking for attractive Iowans was "Star Trek." There's just no way around it. You are a massive, massive nerd.

.

Nope. I googled "famous people from Iowa" and chose the ones I thought Farkers would be most likely to think were hot. (I chose not to include Lara Flynn Boyle (who was hot at one time), Shawn Johnson, Nia Long, Donna Reed, Jean Seberg, and many others)
 
2013-07-12 05:56:34 PM

catmandu: 100 Watt Walrus: catmandu: Harry Freakstorm: It's Iowa, so that's like five women. Prove me wrong Farkers. Prove me wrong with photographic evidence.

That may be the nerdiest post in the history of Fark.

I mean, either you happened to know off the top of your head the birthplaces/childhood residencies of everyone/everywoman on every "Star Trek," or the first place you went when looking for attractive Iowans was "Star Trek." There's just no way around it. You are a massive, massive nerd.
.

Nope. I googled "famous people from Iowa" and chose the ones I thought Farkers would be most likely to think were hot. (I chose not to include Lara Flynn Boyle (who was hot at one time), Shawn Johnson, Nia Long, Donna Reed, Jean Seberg, and many others)


Ahhh, well there's a possibility I hadn't considered.

/Nia Long is hot.
 
2013-07-12 06:21:48 PM

Diana: WTF, Iowa?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/10/iowa-man-use-baseball-bat-to-ki ll -puppy-wasnt-animal-torture-appeals-court/


Holy crap!!! Just...HOLY CRAP!!! Not for the story alone tho...that's bad enuf, but I've seen this happen. Saddest thing ever. I used to live in a cul-de-sac, and we had tons of little kids all in the same age group (4-6 ish) and one day they were all playing outside, one boy was throwing a ball up in the air to hit it himself and the neighbor's Boston Terrier jumped up to get it. Happened in front of all the kids, devastating for everyone. Now...seems to me that is a 6yr old boy can do that to an adult Terrier with one hit, wtf did that grown-ass...puppy...multiple time...geezuz...
 
2013-07-12 07:01:50 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: [m5.paperblog.com image 850x637]

Uh, hmmm, well 2 out of 5 ain't bad.


which 2?
 
2013-07-12 11:04:22 PM

Magorn: Tyrone Biggums: APPLICANT: Well, I type about 90 words a minute. I'm completely well-versed in all IBM and Macintosh programs.

GEORGE: (looking over her resume) Well Miss Coggins you're ah, obviously qualified for the job. You've all the necessary skills and experience. But you're extremely attractive. you're gorgeous. I'm looking at you, I can't even remember my name. So ah, I'm afraid this is not going to work out (he crumples her resume into a ball) Thanks for coming in.

Well, it CAN be an impediment to productivity in the office.  When running a team of contractors at a fed agency  I once hired a girl (on the basis of a telphone interview ironically enough)  so incandescantly hot, she even made me a little weak in the knees to look at her.  At the end of the first week I actually had to have a sit-down with the Center Director (gov side) to tell him that he needed to put a leash on half of his senior staff, as my employee was being pestered by very senior GS-14& 15 Kawyers and managers who kept stopping by her desk to offer to "show her around", "Train" her (my job), or just "make sure she had all the supplies she needed" (a gs-15 who  didn't even know where the supply closet WAS mind you).

The day she came in dressed to go out clubbing later that night, I thanked all the gods that I'd actually worked as an Employment Dicrimination/Sexual Harrasmen lawyer on the Plaintiff's side for a summer, so I knew pretty much EXACTLY what I could and could not legally say, as I tried to make her aware that while we had no dress code,  a corset top and short skirt wasn't giving her the professional image she needed to maintain (and was causing physical pain to some of the horndogs in the office-but I didn't say that part)


Well said, and good job reminding the horndogs to keep it professional. Remember that it goes both ways. I get a little weak in the knees with one of the guys and I just have to remember that it's me, not him. It's work. Competent good, fugly people deserve just as much of my time as the hot guy. I wish he wouldn't wear those distracting jeans and that his badge didn't hang down and rest on that really, really nice bulge (oh god, look away, eyes must be higher, don't look at his legs). Phew, urges controlled. Okay, make eye contact with the ugly guy too, smile at him just like you smiled at the other one.

There, now I'm behaving properly at work.
 
2013-07-13 02:25:25 AM

offmymeds: Maybe George Zimmerman's defense team should have had his trial moved to Iowa. From the sound of it, he'd have received a slap on the wrist, i.e.: community service.


Only if he was a spurned lover who just wanted one more romp in the brown hay after Trayvon had moved on.
 
2013-07-13 07:49:05 AM

mizchief: Given the landscape of sexual harassment lawsuits in the business world, an employee who will likely cause you to lose a lot of money need to be let go. As long as sexual harassment is completely subjective and costs business millions you should expect them to try and lower their risk.


Incorrect.
 
2013-07-13 07:51:08 AM

dartben: hardinparamedic: How, in the hell, is this not gender discrimination in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

Can someone who has a GED in Law Explain this to me?

The woman's attorney farked up and never alleged harassment. All the comments are therefore meaningless.

All that's left is "was she fired because she's a woman?" Since every other employee was a woman, and she was replaced by a woman, and the evidence is that it was the extracurricular comments that caused the trouble, the answer was no.


Was there any harassment?  because if not, the attorney didn't fark up, he acted ethically.

(Yes, it happens)
 
2013-07-13 07:53:02 AM

mike0023: I think courts have no business telling employers whom they can or cannot hire / fire / promote / etc.


Sure, courts can go overboard, but do you REALLY long for the good old days of all-white city fire and police departments?
 
2013-07-13 08:50:22 AM

PunGent: mike0023: I think courts have no business telling employers whom they can or cannot hire / fire / promote / etc.

Sure, courts can go overboard, but do you REALLY long for the good old days of all-white city fire and police departments?


You are comparing apples and oranges. Of course the government shouldn't discriminate! But, in my opinion, a private employer should be able to make his employment decisions without government interference.
 
2013-07-13 08:57:35 AM
Dr. Knight is fantastic. I went in for a routine cleaning. Three hours later, when I came to, my gums felt amazing.

Still, "Dr." Knight was by my side. He was pulling up his scrubs with his left hand while chewing a bite of the turkey club sandwich in his right hand. He even offered me a bite. Apparently that's the newest way to get a fluoride treatment.

My only complaint is that his office assistant was a little snooty.
 
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