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(C|Net)   Steve Ballmer once again tries to "remake" Microsoft. OH, YES ... THERE WILL BE ARROGANCE   (news.cnet.com) divider line 54
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2013-07-12 11:27:12 AM
Previous post was the spaniel making his own comment.

I see consumer and business groups, but there's Enterprise?
 
2013-07-12 01:14:38 PM
Aside from Windows 7, is there anything Ballmer has presided over that has not been an unmitigated disaster?
 
2013-07-12 01:18:51 PM

lilbjorn: Aside from Windows 7, is there anything Ballmer has presided over that has not been an unmitigated disaster?


His "developers" speech.

Oh, wait.  That was a disaster too.
 
2013-07-12 01:21:05 PM
This has been going on for weeks
 
2013-07-12 01:21:15 PM
Damn, Subby. Give me some warning next time.

*wipes tuna salad off of monitor screen*

*and keyboard*

/Funny headline was funny.
 
2013-07-12 01:24:12 PM
So does this mean the end of the shiatty dubstep backed commercials for a web browser?
 
2013-07-12 01:24:13 PM
And how would you like them arranged, Mr. Ballmer?
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2013-07-12 01:26:28 PM
I'm just dying for a unified Microsoft experience, where the NSA can watch through my Kinect as I head to the bathroom, where the audio of my dump will be uploaded by my Surface Pro, that is simultaneously scanning all my emails and photos into a massive database that uses the cloud computing ability of my Windows desktop to make the process seamless.

/people dancing during a meeting
 
2013-07-12 01:31:38 PM
like a hollywood remake, it just looks shabby and partial-assed.

/ far less than half
 
2013-07-12 01:36:27 PM
What's he going to do? Change Microsoft into a customer-focused company selling products that people actually want to use instead of sucking up to it's "partners", outsourcing the bulk of development to third-world nations, and allowing clueless, out of touch executive committees to dictate product features?

/yeah, I'd like to see THAT.
 
2013-07-12 01:39:32 PM
MS can go fark themselves for helping the NSA decrypt emails.
 
2013-07-12 01:46:42 PM

styckx: So does this mean the end of the shiatty dubstep backed commercials for a web browser?


Yes, but have we seen the end of commercials featuring persons of indeterminable ethnicity dancing on top of tables and park benches with their tablets?
 
kab
2013-07-12 01:47:02 PM
So it's full steam ahead with Metro-fail, because dammit, what works on a cell phone must work even better on a desktop?

Ok then.
 
2013-07-12 01:50:19 PM
It still baffles me why people still rage against Metro when it's so easily avoidable. If you don't like getting stabbed in the eye, don't stab yourself in the eye.
 
2013-07-12 01:54:18 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I'm just dying for a unified Microsoft experience, where the NSA can watch through my Kinect as I head to the bathroom, where the audio of my dump will be uploaded by my Surface Pro, that is simultaneously scanning all my emails and photos into a massive database that uses the cloud computing ability of my Windows desktop to make the process seamless.

/people dancing during a meeting


like they already dont
 
2013-07-12 01:54:53 PM
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2013-07-12 01:57:26 PM

Doomed: It still baffles me why people still rage against Metro when it's so easily avoidable. If you don't like getting stabbed in the eye, don't stab yourself in the eye.


Beats me. I spend all my time on the Windows 8 desktop and avoid metro. Runs fine.
 
2013-07-12 01:57:58 PM
Will he need developers  developers  developers   developers  developers  developers  ?
 
2013-07-12 02:02:57 PM

Doomed: It still baffles me why people still rage against Metro when it's so easily avoidable. If you don't like getting stabbed in the eye, don't stab yourself in the eye.


I don't rage against it, I just don't use it. Won't buy it.

Not only do I see no reason to stab myself in the eye, I won't bother picking up the face-pointing knife in the first place. There are better products I can use.

The whole concept of "well, Windows 8 doesn't force you to use Metro" still implies that, for some reason, I feel compelled to use Windows. That's as arrogant as anything Ballmer's said.
 
2013-07-12 02:02:59 PM
I.

LOVE.

THIS.

COMPANY!
 
2013-07-12 02:08:20 PM
I hope he can remake it into a tasteful three-piece, or some curtains for the sitting parlour.
 
2013-07-12 02:08:57 PM
i wanted to like windows phone--- but lack of support for CalDav and CardDav made it impossible to use for my business. There aren't any 3rd party apps out there to do it either.

What's worse is that the support *exists* because you can sync a Google account's calendars and contacts (which uses the same protocols) but not anything outside of a Google account.

If they want to really be competitive, they should maybe consider adopting support for industry standard protocols. What a shiatstorm.
 
2013-07-12 02:26:16 PM

Gonz: Doomed: It still baffles me why people still rage against Metro when it's so easily avoidable. If you don't like getting stabbed in the eye, don't stab yourself in the eye.

I don't rage against it, I just don't use it. Won't buy it.

Not only do I see no reason to stab myself in the eye, I won't bother picking up the face-pointing knife in the first place. There are better products I can use.

The whole concept of "well, Windows 8 doesn't force you to use Metro" still implies that, for some reason, I feel compelled to use Windows. That's as arrogant as anything Ballmer's said.


I use windows and have a Ubuntu VM,both on my laptop. You don't need to use Windows, but sometimes you might.
 
2013-07-12 02:28:11 PM

psy5ive: i wanted to like windows phone--- but lack of support for CalDav and CardDav made it impossible to use for my business. There aren't any 3rd party apps out there to do it either.

What's worse is that the support *exists* because you can sync a Google account's calendars and contacts (which uses the same protocols) but not anything outside of a Google account.

If they want to really be competitive, they should maybe consider adopting support for industry standard protocols. What a shiatstorm.


They're fairly clear in that they don't want WP7+ to be for business.  They still market WM6.5 for businesses(HTC still had their 6.5 phone for sale last I checked).  WM6.x was the last truly open mobile OS(at least that had any real adoption.. looking at you Nokia).  Android gets close, but they still push the app store model down your throat
 
2013-07-12 02:31:35 PM

psy5ive: If they want to really be competitive, they should maybe consider adopting support for industry standard protocols. What a shiatstorm.


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

// ask the W3C how that goes
 
2013-07-12 02:34:59 PM
The sacry part of the new story I read about this is that the first half of Ballmer's statement read like his speechwriter was playing Corporate Buzz Phrase Bingo, or he was a middle manager trying to impress his bosses at a quarterly sales meeting:

"Although we will deliver multiple devices and services to execute and monetise the strategy, the single core strategy will drive us to set shared goals for everything we do. We will see our product line holistically, not as a set of islands," Mr Ballmer said.
..."Today's announcement will enable us to execute even better on our strategy to deliver a family of devices and services that best empower people for the activities they value most and the enterprise extensions and services that are most valuable to business," he said.

 :
But then Suddenly he starts sounding like the Bad Guy in the movie Network

We will strive for a single experience for everything in a person's life that matters. One experience, one company, one set of learnings, one set of apps, and one personal library of entertainment, photos and information everywhere. One store for everything."


Maybe it's just me but that sounds too much like
". The world is a business, Mr. Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that... perfect world... in which there's no war or famine, oppression or brutality. One vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock. All necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused.
seperated at birth?
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2013-07-12 02:38:10 PM

Dr Dreidel: psy5ive: If they want to really be competitive, they should maybe consider adopting support for industry standard protocols. What a shiatstorm.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

// ask the W3C how that goes


yes, but isn't IE11 supposed to be standards-based? I mean it seems like they're making progress in some departments, but it's just too little too late.

I forgot to mention also that on the Nokia, I was never able to get a Skype call to connect when someone called me. The time it would take for the app to "resume" would kick the call to voicemail. The times when I would answer on 1 ring, it was dead air. It's really bad since it's a Microsoft product that works better on Android and iPhone.

Ballmer's ass needs to go.
 
2013-07-12 02:40:40 PM

psy5ive: i wanted to like windows phone--- but lack of support for CalDav and CardDav made it impossible to use for my business. There aren't any 3rd party apps out there to do it either.

What's worse is that the support *exists* because you can sync a Google account's calendars and contacts (which uses the same protocols) but not anything outside of a Google account.

If they want to really be competitive, they should maybe consider adopting support for industry standard protocols. What a shiatstorm.


Support?!? Micro$oft's new motto is, "We're not happy till you're not happy."

/Ballmer should go back to balloon folding.
//I wonder if Windows 9 will require an always on surveillance system?
 
2013-07-12 02:45:42 PM
Until the Microsoft board realizes that Ballmer  IS THE PROBLEM then nothing will change and they will continue to suck.

They have some amazing products in their lineup not named Windows and I'd hate to see Microsoft go under, but Ballmer seems to be trying his damdest to make that happen.

Also, fun fact, I'm run W8 at home and it's leaps and bounds faster than W7 and I love it.  Also, who the hell needs a start button?
 
2013-07-12 02:46:20 PM

lilbjorn: Aside from Windows 7, is there anything Ballmer has presided over that has not been an unmitigated disaster?


I'd say Kinect was relatively successful.
 
2013-07-12 02:48:07 PM

Glitchwerks: lilbjorn: Aside from Windows 7, is there anything Ballmer has presided over that has not been an unmitigated disaster?

His "developers" speech.

Oh, wait.  That was a disaster too.


But it was quite funny to watch, is that a mitigation factor?
 
2013-07-12 02:51:02 PM

Gonz: The whole concept of "well, Windows 8 doesn't force you to use Metro" still implies that, for some reason, I feel compelled to use Windows. That's as arrogant as anything Ballmer's said.


I bet Ballmer eats crackers like an asshole too.
 
2013-07-12 02:53:04 PM
He's an asshole, but he has his moments.

Probably no better or worse than Cook.
 
2013-07-12 02:59:06 PM

Doomed: It still baffles me why people still rage against Metro when it's so easily avoidable. If you don't like getting stabbed in the eye, don't stab yourself in the eye.


You know a good way I've found to achieve that goal?

Don't hire someone who's primary aim is to stab you in the eye.

You really don't see why the argument "it's fine becasue you can just not use the primary selling point" isn't a good selling point, do you?

/ never mind that it's also a lie and that you actually CAN'T avoid Metro without 3rd party hacks (or just not actually using the computer), but whatever...
 
2013-07-12 03:11:56 PM

skozlaw: Doomed: It still baffles me why people still rage against Metro when it's so easily avoidable. If you don't like getting stabbed in the eye, don't stab yourself in the eye.

You know a good way I've found to achieve that goal?

Don't hire someone who's primary aim is to stab you in the eye.

You really don't see why the argument "it's fine becasue you can just not use the primary selling point" isn't a good selling point, do you?

/ never mind that it's also a lie and that you actually CAN'T avoid Metro without 3rd party hacks (or just not actually using the computer), but whatever...


Just curious, but hacks for what, except the beloved start button?
 
2013-07-12 03:15:16 PM

psy5ive: yes, but isn't IE11 supposed to be standards-based?


And only 12 short years after saying "Screw you, W3C! We'll have our own standards! With blackjack! And hookers!", itself 7 years after the W3C was founded. In 19 years, MS went from "That's cute" to "HELL naw" to "This is a good idea, let's do this".

They're doing what they've always done - boast about how their standard is easily better than the industry standard, attempt to corner the market to make their standard THE standard, and then quietly adopt it anyway when the attempt fails.
 
2013-07-12 03:19:36 PM

Well I use Mac/Linux...: styckx: So does this mean the end of the shiatty dubstep backed commercials for a web browser?

Yes, but have we seen the end of commercials featuring persons of indeterminable ethnicity dancing on top of tables and park benches with their tablets?


My pet peeve is being is in the movie theater where they not only show you the commercial, but they also give you a 5 minute making of documentary showing you the craftsmanship and artistry that went into making that crappy add.
 
2013-07-12 03:26:53 PM

Mad_Radhu: Well I use Mac/Linux...: styckx: So does this mean the end of the shiatty dubstep backed commercials for a web browser?

Yes, but have we seen the end of commercials featuring persons of indeterminable ethnicity dancing on top of tables and park benches with their tablets?

My pet peeve is being is in the movie theater where they not only show you the commercial, but they also give you a 5 minute making of documentary showing you the craftsmanship and artistry that went into making that crappy add.


I saw that once in one of those early seating viewing bonus or some crap, man it was as painful as going through 20 mins of trailers.
 
2013-07-12 03:29:08 PM

Mad_Radhu: My pet peeve is being is in the movie theater where they not only show you the commercial, but they also give you a 5 minute making of documentary showing you the craftsmanship and artistry that went into making that crappy add.


That's a level of enjoying your own farts that puts even Apple's marketing department to shame.
 
2013-07-12 03:32:42 PM
My pet peeve is being is in the movie theater where they not only show you the commercial, but they also give you a 5 minute making of documentary showing you the craftsmanship and artistry that went into making that crappy add.

Which is ironic, since the whole time the making-of is playing, I'm thinking that not a single person in that commercial has used a Surface for anything other than a prop in that commercial. It's basically used as a McGuffin.
 
2013-07-12 03:40:12 PM

Mad_Radhu: My pet peeve is being is in the movie theater where they not only show you the commercial, but they also give you a 5 minute making of documentary showing you the craftsmanship and artistry that went into making that crappy add.


I like to stick around afterward for the making-of-the-making-of documentary. So meta.
 
2013-07-12 03:44:04 PM

Dr Dreidel: psy5ive: yes, but isn't IE11 supposed to be standards-based?

And only 12 short years after saying "Screw you, W3C! We'll have our own standards! With blackjack! And hookers!", itself 7 years after the W3C was founded. In 19 years, MS went from "That's cute" to "HELL naw" to "This is a good idea, let's do this".

They're doing what they've always done - boast about how their standard is easily better than the industry standard, attempt to corner the market to make their standard THE standard, and then quietly adopt it anyway when the attempt fails.


So burn them for standards compliance.
 
2013-07-12 04:05:42 PM

bhcompy: So burn them for standards compliance.


Well, burn them for the arrogance of never complying with a standard until they have no option other than surrendering market share.
 
2013-07-12 04:15:32 PM

Dr Dreidel: bhcompy: So burn them for standards compliance.

Well, burn them for the arrogance of never complying with a standard until they have no option other than surrendering market share.


I don't fault them for trying to make a better product.  The standards organizations are merely there to try and promote systems that are interoperable.  W3C doesn't control the internet, it came after the fact to try and smooth shiat out.
 
2013-07-12 05:27:50 PM
I don't fault them for trying to make a better product.

How is not meeting W3C standards making a better product? If their standards were higher than the W3C's standards, then by meeting their own standards, they would also meet the W3C standards. If their standards were lower than the W3C standards, then meeting them but not the W3C standards, would result in a worse product not a better one.

The name of the game is connectivity - if you are unwilling to have your software talk to other people's soft ware, then your product will not be purchased by people who want to use software that you don't make. The whole 'you have to buy all your software from us' approach is an attempt to bully the customer - not a good tactic.
 
2013-07-12 06:23:17 PM

skozlaw: Doomed: It still baffles me why people still rage against Metro when it's so easily avoidable. If you don't like getting stabbed in the eye, don't stab yourself in the eye.

You know a good way I've found to achieve that goal?

Don't hire someone who's primary aim is to stab you in the eye.

You really don't see why the argument "it's fine becasue you can just not use the primary selling point" isn't a good selling point, do you?

/ never mind that it's also a lie and that you actually CAN'T avoid Metro without 3rd party hacks (or just not actually using the computer), but whatever...


If you're still whining about "Metro", I want your ability to use a computer (what little you obviously have) removed. That's it. You're done. You are so stuck on something and so stupid that I am concerned you might stick your tongue in the CPU fan or try to fark the power supply.

It's a different format of start menu. That's it. That is the only difference. Did you have to have a cop talk you out of sticking a .45 in your mouth when you were told that you would have to use the CLI to do stuff in Linux?
 
2013-07-12 06:30:42 PM

psy5ive: i wanted to like windows phone--- but lack of support for CalDav and CardDav made it impossible to use for my business. There aren't any 3rd party apps out there to do it either.

What's worse is that the support *exists* because you can sync a Google account's calendars and contacts (which uses the same protocols) but not anything outside of a Google account.

If they want to really be competitive, they should maybe consider adopting support for industry standard protocols. What a shiatstorm.


Five months ago, they announced it.

" the Windows Phone team is building support into our software for the new sync protocols Google is using for calendar and contacts-CalDAV and CardDAV. These new protocols, combined with our existing support for the IMAP protocol for email, will enable Windows Phone users to continue to connect to Google services after July 31, 2013."

Today, they rolled it out.

Just sayin'.
 
2013-07-12 06:43:02 PM

steveGswine: psy5ive: i wanted to like windows phone--- but lack of support for CalDav and CardDav made it impossible to use for my business. There aren't any 3rd party apps out there to do it either.

What's worse is that the support *exists* because you can sync a Google account's calendars and contacts (which uses the same protocols) but not anything outside of a Google account.

If they want to really be competitive, they should maybe consider adopting support for industry standard protocols. What a shiatstorm.

Five months ago, they announced it.

" the Windows Phone team is building support into our software for the new sync protocols Google is using for calendar and contacts-CalDAV and CardDAV. These new protocols, combined with our existing support for the IMAP protocol for email, will enable Windows Phone users to continue to connect to Google services after July 31, 2013."

Today, they rolled it out.

Just sayin'.


They were forced to, though tbh, nothing has come close to Exchange as a whole yet.
 
2013-07-12 07:38:17 PM
Marine1:
It's a different format of start menu. That's it. That is the only difference. Did you have to have a cop talk you out of sticking a .45 in your mouth when you were told that you would have to use the CLI to do stuff in Linux?

You realise that preferring to use a command line over ever having to touch Metro again is probably not a good thing as far as that particular GUI is concerned?

If it's a toss up between having to use Metro for anything beyond comedic value.... I'll be first in line to buy a new Mac.
 
2013-07-12 07:40:24 PM
i3.photobucket.com

I never thought I'd get to pull this one out again... I had to dust it off, first.
 
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