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(Opposing Views)   Paralyzed man who saved $30,000 for revolutionary stem cell treatment donates it to a kid who needs $100,000 surgery for rare condition   (opposingviews.com) divider line 64
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2013-07-12 12:18:38 PM  
Hero tag broken, subby?
 
2013-07-12 12:20:12 PM  
I thought we had universal health care in America. Can't you just go to the emergency room for your life-saving surgery?
 
2013-07-12 12:20:31 PM  
Fark every rich bastard in this country. Fark every one of them.

What a country.
 
2013-07-12 12:21:13 PM  

mbillips: I thought we had universal health care in America. Can't you just go to the emergency room for your life-saving surgery?


This is why I vote Republican.
 
2013-07-12 12:22:13 PM  
Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-07-12 12:22:17 PM  
Not only will he be able to recoup the cost of that donation, the kid will wind up with all the money he needs too.  People like a good story like this.  They'll make sure the money is there.
 
2013-07-12 12:22:34 PM  
Oh god... the dust.
 
2013-07-12 12:22:42 PM  
Idiot. If he got healthy he could earn much more than that for the kid. He`s just an AW...

How selfish can you get?
 
2013-07-12 12:26:12 PM  

mbillips: I thought we had universal health care in America. Can't you just go to the emergency room for your life-saving surgery?


EMTALA doesn't consider paralysis to be a life threat. :)
 
2013-07-12 12:26:37 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Fark every rich bastard in this country. Fark every one of them.

What a country.


TheShavingofOccam123: mbillips: I thought we had universal health care in America. Can't you just go to the emergency room for your life-saving surgery?

This is why I vote Republican.


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2013-07-12 12:27:20 PM  

dready zim: Idiot. If he got healthy he could earn much more than that for the kid. He`s just an AW...

How selfish can you get?


This. That guy could have carved extensions out of 2x4s with his teeth and used them to pull himself up by his bootstraps. The fact he would deflate into a pile of jumbled bones makes no difference. He is a free-loader without any bootstrappiness.
 
2013-07-12 12:28:30 PM  
What I dont understand is why the state would have the law that the operation can only be performed by a doctor who has no wife.
 
2013-07-12 12:28:30 PM  

ShadeeJake: Hero tag broken, subby?


came to ask this
 
2013-07-12 12:28:58 PM  
And that little boy grew up to be... Hitler II.

Way to go, asshole.
 
2013-07-12 12:29:38 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Not only will he be able to recoup the cost of that donation, the kid will wind up with all the money he needs too.  People like a good story like this.  They'll make sure the money is there.


Yeah this guy knows how to play the game.
 
2013-07-12 12:30:48 PM  
Someone post the applauding Orson Welles gif please
 
2013-07-12 12:30:52 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Not only will he be able to recoup the cost of that donation, the kid will wind up with all the money he needs too.  People like a good story like this.  They'll make sure the money is there.


Yeah. Win/win for all involved.
And why is there only one doctor that can perform this type of surgery?
 
2013-07-12 12:31:58 PM  

mbillips: I thought we had universal health care in America. Can't you just go to the emergency room for your life-saving surgery?


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-07-12 12:33:26 PM  
Stand up and take a bow sir!

/what? I'm already booked on the flight, and yes I'm going to have the lasagna!
 
2013-07-12 12:33:31 PM  
Really no evidence that stem cell surgery is anything more than a scam in countries where the medical laws are a lot less strict.
 
2013-07-12 12:35:10 PM  
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There's no Stem Cell Store in his town? Must live in Texas.
 
2013-07-12 12:35:44 PM  

monoski: Really no evidence that stem cell surgery is anything more than a scam in countries where the medical laws are a lot less strict.


Erm, what? There's plenty of evidence on PubMed using pluripotent stem cells in nerve tissue grafts out of the Middle East and Europe on small human and animal trials. The main problem, however, is that those stem cell grafts turn into cancerous tissue as a complication of the procedure.

You're referring to Stem Cell Quackery. Two different things.
 
2013-07-12 12:40:34 PM  
Unoriginal_Username

Smeggy Smurf
: Not only will he be able to recoup the cost of that donation, the kid will wind up with all the money he needs too. People like a good story like this. They'll make sure the money is there.

Yeah. Win/win for all involved.
And why is there only one doctor that can perform this type of surgery?


di1-3.shoppingshadow.com

He's kind of a specialist and keeps strange hours. Mumbles a lot about his spider problem.
 
2013-07-12 12:42:29 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: dready zim: Idiot. If he got healthy he could earn much more than that for the kid. He`s just an AW...

How selfish can you get?

This. That guy could have carved extensions out of 2x4s with his teeth and used them to pull himself up by his bootstraps. The fact he would deflate into a pile of jumbled bones makes no difference. He is a free-loader without any bootstrappiness.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-07-12 12:44:13 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Unoriginal_Username

Smeggy Smurf: Not only will he be able to recoup the cost of that donation, the kid will wind up with all the money he needs too. People like a good story like this. They'll make sure the money is there.

Yeah. Win/win for all involved.
And why is there only one doctor that can perform this type of surgery?

[di1-3.shoppingshadow.com image 260x260]

He's kind of a specialist and keeps strange hours. Mumbles a lot about his spider problem.


I always found it curious that Dr Octopus had 8 limbs like a spider yet could not squirt ink like an octopus...
 
2013-07-12 12:46:33 PM  
Do the parents not have insurance, would this not be covered by insurance? I'm only curious because holy mother of bob that is a lot of money.
 
2013-07-12 12:49:20 PM  
Truly, the American system works
 
2013-07-12 12:51:30 PM  
He sounds like a stand up guy.
 
2013-07-12 01:00:40 PM  

Maggie_Luna: Do the parents not have insurance, would this not be covered by insurance? I'm only curious because holy mother of bob that is a lot of money.


If the insurance company were liable, they could easily just refuse to pay. What are the parents going to do? Sue? That'll cost as much, if not more, than the treatment!
 
2013-07-12 01:02:59 PM  

dready zim: Harry Freakstorm: Unoriginal_Username

Smeggy Smurf: Not only will he be able to recoup the cost of that donation, the kid will wind up with all the money he needs too. People like a good story like this. They'll make sure the money is there.

Yeah. Win/win for all involved.
And why is there only one doctor that can perform this type of surgery?

[di1-3.shoppingshadow.com image 260x260]

He's kind of a specialist and keeps strange hours. Mumbles a lot about his spider problem.

I always found it curious that Dr Octopus had 8 limbs like a spider yet could not squirt ink like an octopus...


Who's to say he couldn't?
 
2013-07-12 01:13:59 PM  
piximus.net
 
2013-07-12 01:25:45 PM  
This guy is as much of an ass as that guy that tipped a waitress a grand to go to Italy!

If you arent going to donate enough to pay for the whole damn thing, keep your AW money to yourself.
 
2013-07-12 01:28:40 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: dready zim: Harry Freakstorm: Unoriginal_Username

Smeggy Smurf: Not only will he be able to recoup the cost of that donation, the kid will wind up with all the money he needs too. People like a good story like this. They'll make sure the money is there.

Yeah. Win/win for all involved.
And why is there only one doctor that can perform this type of surgery?

[di1-3.shoppingshadow.com image 260x260]

He's kind of a specialist and keeps strange hours. Mumbles a lot about his spider problem.

I always found it curious that Dr Octopus had 8 limbs like a spider yet could not squirt ink like an octopus...

Who's to say he couldn't?


no wonder he couldn't keep a girlfriend. yuk.
 
2013-07-12 01:31:05 PM  

dready zim: Harry Freakstorm: Unoriginal_Username

Smeggy Smurf: Not only will he be able to recoup the cost of that donation, the kid will wind up with all the money he needs too. People like a good story like this. They'll make sure the money is there.

Yeah. Win/win for all involved.
And why is there only one doctor that can perform this type of surgery?

[di1-3.shoppingshadow.com image 260x260]

He's kind of a specialist and keeps strange hours. Mumbles a lot about his spider problem.

I always found it curious that Dr Octopus had 8 limbs like a spider yet could not squirt ink like an octopus...


Is it wrong that the first thing that came to mind was "That is what Rule 34 is for..."?
 
2013-07-12 01:38:49 PM  

dready zim: Harry Freakstorm: Unoriginal_Username

Smeggy Smurf: Not only will he be able to recoup the cost of that donation, the kid will wind up with all the money he needs too. People like a good story like this. They'll make sure the money is there.

Yeah. Win/win for all involved.
And why is there only one doctor that can perform this type of surgery?

[di1-3.shoppingshadow.com image 260x260]

He's kind of a specialist and keeps strange hours. Mumbles a lot about his spider problem.

I always found it curious that Dr Octopus had 8 limbs like a spider yet could not squirt ink like an octopus...


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-07-12 01:39:05 PM  
I am shocked with the level of jaded people in this thread calling him an AW. He's passing a lot of time and money on to someone who needs it more. He is pushing back his ability to walk, to help a kid get closer to a normal life, faster.

How is that an AW?
 
2013-07-12 01:40:20 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Fark every rich bastard in this country. Fark every one of them.

What a country.


Exactly what I thought, too.

It would be, what, two or three hours of work for a top banking CEO to cover both treatments completely?

What a country, indeed.
 
2013-07-12 01:40:28 PM  

Tricky Chicken: This guy is as much of an ass as that guy that tipped a waitress a grand to go to Italy!

If you arent going to donate enough to pay for the whole damn thing, keep your AW money to yourself.


Not to mention the fraud perpetrated on his donors.  Sure they though they were donating to stem cell treatment but then he went and blew it so some other kid couldn't use it.
 
2013-07-12 01:45:19 PM  

charmbomb: I am shocked with the level of jaded people in this thread calling him an AW. He's passing a lot of time and money on to someone who needs it more. He is pushing back his ability to walk, to help a kid get closer to a normal life, faster.

How is that an AW?


He took free money from other people, publicly gave it away to someone else as some grandstanding, and is now hoping that the internet charity machine donates even more money to him for how "selfless" he was. Somebody should teach him a lesson in cynical exploitation by hacking his bank account empty.
 
2013-07-12 01:49:08 PM  
dready zim:
I always found it curious that Dr Octopus had 8 limbs like a spider yet could not squirt ink like an octopus...

That's probably just because of his name, he would have probably be named Dr Spider if his name was Spuds Spielberg, Dr Tarantula if he was called Travis Terrence, or... well... you probably get it...


(Dany Long as Dr Daddy Long Legs doesn't have a good rign to it...)
 
2013-07-12 01:54:03 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: mbillips: I thought we had universal health care in America. Can't you just go to the emergency room for your life-saving surgery?

This is why I vote Republican.


Voting Republican in the US really doesn't change any thing in the UK.  Because this story is from the UK.
 
2013-07-12 01:57:24 PM  
Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Not only will he be able to recoup the cost of that donation, the kid will wind up with all the money he needs too. People like a good story like this. They'll make sure the money is there.
Smeggy Smurf: Yeah this guy knows how to play the game.              ...



I'd donate. Because, even if he gets his surgery, he will likely never enjoy the level of mobility that I have been blessed with, and I think his kindness was sincere.
 
2013-07-12 01:58:30 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Unoriginal_Username

Smeggy Smurf: Not only will he be able to recoup the cost of that donation, the kid will wind up with all the money he needs too. People like a good story like this. They'll make sure the money is there.

Yeah. Win/win for all involved.
And why is there only one doctor that can perform this type of surgery?

[di1-3.shoppingshadow.com image 260x260]

He's kind of a specialist and keeps strange hours. Mumbles a lot about his spider problem.



*ahem*

25.media.tumblr.com


Spider thread! Spider thread!
Quite tangential and still ahead!
Props to Doc Ock, but he's still all talk-
Will he help this poor child to walk?!
Hey theeeere......A minor spider thread!
 
2013-07-12 02:01:16 PM  

Testiclaw: TheShavingofOccam123: Fark every rich bastard in this country. Fark every one of them.

What a country.

Exactly what I thought, too.

It would be, what, two or three hours of work for a top banking CEO to cover both treatments completely?

What a country, indeed.


What does that have to do with anything?  So we're all responsible for everyone else's problems?  Here's a newsflash - sometimes terrible things happen.  The sooner you recognize this fact, the sooner you'll be slightly less of a douche.
 
2013-07-12 02:04:08 PM  
and if we'd get off our asses and joing the rest fo the world we could see that they BOTH got the care they needed by having universal, single payer health insurance, and in the process save about $1 trillion a year on healthcare costs nationally :
www.economicshelp.org
 
2013-07-12 02:23:36 PM  

Magorn: and if we'd get off our asses and joing the rest fo the world we could see that they BOTH got the care they needed by having universal, single payer health insurance, and in the process save about $1 trillion a year on healthcare costs nationally :
[www.economicshelp.org image 803x704]


Can I ask, does spending that much result in healthcare of a genuinely higher quality? Yeah it's really expensive, but do you think "at least we bought something nice", or do you think "we done got shafted"? My brother is moving to America, so I'm curious about these things now.
 
2013-07-12 02:33:35 PM  

Slaxl: Magorn: and if we'd get off our asses and joing the rest fo the world we could see that they BOTH got the care they needed by having universal, single payer health insurance, and in the process save about $1 trillion a year on healthcare costs nationally :
[www.economicshelp.org image 803x704]

Can I ask, does spending that much result in healthcare of a genuinely higher quality? Yeah it's really expensive, but do you think "at least we bought something nice", or do you think "we done got shafted"? My brother is moving to America, so I'm curious about these things now.


We done got shafted.  I was told by my doctor just last week during a visit that their whole practice is changing to a preventative care type business model, the short of it being that if I want to keep going there I have to pay them $1500 extra out of pocket per year over insurance and get... not really anything extra out of the deal.  Fantastic!

/not paying it
 
2013-07-12 02:33:58 PM  

Magorn: and if we'd get off our asses and joing the rest fo the world we could see that they BOTH got the care they needed by having universal, single payer health insurance, and in the process save about $1 trillion a year on healthcare costs nationally :
[www.economicshelp.org image 803x704]


That chart is rather misleading.

The population of Slovenia is 2.05 million. The population of the United States is 319.9 Million people as of 2013. 40.3 Million of those people are age 60 and over. Many of countries on your chart don't even approach that population number given their entire population alone.

That's not to say we DON'T have a problem, because we do. But basing your argument on misleading comparisons is giving people ammo to shoot you down.
 
2013-07-12 02:39:19 PM  
Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: grandstanding


I see what you did there....

Seriously though. Are you in a wheelchair? If you donated money to someone who couldn't walk, would you be pissed if he gave it to another, younger, more suffering person that had an even shiattier life? Or would you be like I DONATED THAT MONEY TO ONE GUY IN A WHEELCHAIR. NO OTHER CHARITY MONEYS SHALL BE TRANSFERRED TO OTHER NEEDY WHEELCHAIR PEOPLE. NO OTHER PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS AND DONATE MONEY.
 
2013-07-12 02:40:21 PM  

Slaxl: Magorn: and if we'd get off our asses and joing the rest fo the world we could see that they BOTH got the care they needed by having universal, single payer health insurance, and in the process save about $1 trillion a year on healthcare costs nationally :
[www.economicshelp.org image 803x704]

Can I ask, does spending that much result in healthcare of a genuinely higher quality? Yeah it's really expensive, but do you think "at least we bought something nice", or do you think "we done got shafted"? My brother is moving to America, so I'm curious about these things now.


this chart may answer your question most efficently:
helpmedrc.com
To be fair some of the most innovative and cutting edge healthcare IS in fact being done in the US, but as most health insurance won;t cover "experiemental " procedures, you effectively don't have access to that high-end health care unless you are extremely independnetly wealthy, so fo rthe average person it may as well not exist
 
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