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2013-07-12 07:33:31 PM  

Carth: MFAWG: Carth: JuggleGeek: dittybopper: "If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. "

What if Martin was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in a place where he had a right to be?  That's what happened.  Zimmerman admits on the 911 call that he's chasing the kid down.  He says "He's running" and "he ran".  He talks about "farking punks" and "these assholes always get away".  And he keeps pushing it until there is a physical confrontation.

Then everyone screams about how Martin had no right to defend himself, but Zimmerman has a right to shoot Martin in self defense.  It makes no sense at all.

Maybe if you live in bizzaro land that is what happened. Zimmerman was told by the 911 operator that they don't need him to follow Martin. Zimmerman said "ok" and started walking back to his car. If Martin were running home he had 4 minutes to go 100 yards. It is more likely he doubled backed and fronted zimmerman "why are yo following me!" then someone threw a punch.

One more time: Martin has no duty to retreat from a threat.

No one said he did. I said if he were going home he could have made it. He had ever right to ask ZImmerman why he was following him. What he didn't have a right to do was hit zimmerman or continue beating him when he was on the ground.


Unless TM realized Zimmerman had a gun (which Zimmerman claims he did, thus farking himself). At that point TM would have no choice but to beat him unconscious so the gun couldn't be used against him by Zimmerman.
 
2013-07-12 07:35:21 PM  

dittybopper: MFAWG: One more time: Martin has no duty to retreat from a threat.

And Zimmerman was absolutely a threat. There's no other logical conclusion once he follows up the footpath with a weapon in his hand.

A small penlight? Sure.


Actually it was one of those "tactical flash lights" which are designed specifically to double as a weapon. They are more painful than deadly, but they are very painful and can do significant actual damage if used right.
 
2013-07-12 07:42:14 PM  

arentol: Actually it was one of those "tactical flash lights" which are designed specifically to double as a weapon. They are more painful than deadly, but they are very painful and can do significant actual damage if used right.


Penlight.

upload.wikimedia.org

Tactical Light with Combat Cap

www.bomanufacture.com

Huge farking difference.
 
2013-07-12 07:48:22 PM  

hardinparamedic: arentol: Actually it was one of those "tactical flash lights" which are designed specifically to double as a weapon. They are more painful than deadly, but they are very painful and can do significant actual damage if used right.

Penlight.



Tactical Light with Combat Cap



Huge farking difference.


My girlfriend has that top one in her nightstand drawer
 
2013-07-12 08:31:36 PM  
Ohhh and the black one is more menacing then?? Hardinparamidic is a racist.
 
2013-07-12 08:45:47 PM  

Jake Steed: Ohhh and the black one is more menacing then?? Hardinparamidic is a racist.


one was designed as, and is sold and marketed as a weapon, or at least as something that does double duty as a weapon. the other one is not.
think that might have something to do with his point.
 
2013-07-12 08:57:48 PM  

The Muthaship: Magorn: Far more interested in the balls and strikes than I am the game

I may be mistaken (and I apologize if so) but, I believe I've seen you post that you are a lawyer in the past.

If that's true, have you really not seen some clearly erroneous rulings, poor procedural decisions and lack of decorum on her part?


Magorn seems to have wandered off. Perhaps back to his Holiday Inn Express.

I have him Farkied as a big fan of Affirmative Action, so maybe he's just hoping for some Affirmative Justice in this case. Disregard the facts, and just run things by feelings and skin color.
 
2013-07-12 08:58:48 PM  

arentol: Carth: MFAWG: Carth: JuggleGeek: dittybopper: "If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. "

What if Martin was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in a place where he had a right to be?  That's what happened.  Zimmerman admits on the 911 call that he's chasing the kid down.  He says "He's running" and "he ran".  He talks about "farking punks" and "these assholes always get away".  And he keeps pushing it until there is a physical confrontation.

Then everyone screams about how Martin had no right to defend himself, but Zimmerman has a right to shoot Martin in self defense.  It makes no sense at all.

Maybe if you live in bizzaro land that is what happened. Zimmerman was told by the 911 operator that they don't need him to follow Martin. Zimmerman said "ok" and started walking back to his car. If Martin were running home he had 4 minutes to go 100 yards. It is more likely he doubled backed and fronted zimmerman "why are yo following me!" then someone threw a punch.

One more time: Martin has no duty to retreat from a threat.

No one said he did. I said if he were going home he could have made it. He had ever right to ask ZImmerman why he was following him. What he didn't have a right to do was hit zimmerman or continue beating him when he was on the ground.

Unless TM realized Zimmerman had a gun (which Zimmerman claims he did, thus farking himself). At that point TM would have no choice but to beat him unconscious so the gun couldn't be used against him by Zimmerman.


And as soon as Martin reached for his gun Zimmerman had a reason to fear for his life and shoot him.
 
2013-07-12 08:59:24 PM  

arentol: Carth: MFAWG: Carth: Graffito: dittybopper: MFAWG: dittybopper: MFAWG: It already has. Everybody's assumption was that Zimmerman was covered by this law, right up until the two guys that wrote it said 'not so much, no'.

In one small way, it has, in the instructions to the jury:

"If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. "

What about the dead kids same right?

Honest question.

Dead kid isn't on trial.  George Zimmerman is.

I think the question is valid.  What about Trayvon Martin's right to stand his ground?  One of the defense arguments is that Martin had 4 minutes to run away, but didn't.

Here is FL Stand Your Ground Law: "A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. "

If Martin was attacked he could stand his ground. There is no evidence that Zimmerman attack him and some that Martin attacked Zimmerman.

He followed him up a dark walkway with an object in his hand that police routinely use as a weapon.

That's a threatening situation.

Even if you find it "threatening " it isn't an attack, which is what the law requires for SYG to be invoked. You can follow people, even with a weapon, without them being allowed to punch you.

Yes, but it is assault, which is unlawful, which negates your right to claim SYG.


The trial has nothing to do with SYG.
 
2013-07-12 09:41:53 PM  

Carth: arentol: Carth: MFAWG: Carth: JuggleGeek: dittybopper: "If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. "

What if Martin was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in a place where he had a right to be?  That's what happened.  Zimmerman admits on the 911 call that he's chasing the kid down.  He says "He's running" and "he ran".  He talks about "farking punks" and "these assholes always get away".  And he keeps pushing it until there is a physical confrontation.

Then everyone screams about how Martin had no right to defend himself, but Zimmerman has a right to shoot Martin in self defense.  It makes no sense at all.

Maybe if you live in bizzaro land that is what happened. Zimmerman was told by the 911 operator that they don't need him to follow Martin. Zimmerman said "ok" and started walking back to his car. If Martin were running home he had 4 minutes to go 100 yards. It is more likely he doubled backed and fronted zimmerman "why are yo following me!" then someone threw a punch.

One more time: Martin has no duty to retreat from a threat.

No one said he did. I said if he were going home he could have made it. He had ever right to ask ZImmerman why he was following him. What he didn't have a right to do was hit zimmerman or continue beating him when he was on the ground.

Unless TM realized Zimmerman had a gun (which Zimmerman claims he did, thus farking himself). At that point TM would have no choice but to beat him unconscious so the gun couldn't be used against him by Zimmerman.

And as soon as Martin reached for his gun Zimmerman had a reason to fear for his life and shoot him.


You're still asking me to believe that a 6 minute, constantly escalating ( escalated entirely by Mr. Zimmerman) comes down to the final 10 seconds.

Bullshiat. I don't think those 6 ladies aregoing to buy it either. I'm betting at least one of them has had some creepazoid follow them down a dark street.
 
2013-07-12 10:21:53 PM  
With todays technology,why has there not been a voice spectrum test as too who was screaming and who was talking on the 911 tapes? It is a simple test and I can not understand why it has not been used.
/preplanned result
//no ammo to stand your ground?
///Thanks NWO Obama
 
2013-07-12 10:52:13 PM  

bluefoxicy: Raging Whore Moans: Xcott: Was this linked to the Drudge report or something?  The comments below the article are all DERP 57 STATES.

This.

Does that count Puerto Rico, Guam, Virgin Islands, Samoa, and the other three?


The other 3 are Guamsylvania, Puertotucky, and West Dakota.

When you elect a guy who -aside from Affirmative Action- doesn't even have a grade school education; you have to expect some ribbing.  But don't worry, they never let him off the teleprompter now.
 
2013-07-13 12:19:27 AM  

MFAWG: hardinparamedic: arentol: Actually it was one of those "tactical flash lights" which are designed specifically to double as a weapon. They are more painful than deadly, but they are very painful and can do significant actual damage if used right.

Penlight.

Tactical Light with Combat Cap

Huge farking difference.

My girlfriend has that top one in her nightstand drawer


You sound impotent.
 
2013-07-13 12:43:28 AM  

jfivealive: Mrbogey: 100$ in a campaign is little.

Dude thats like 50 packs of skittles


I lol'd.
 
2013-07-13 10:54:25 AM  

Thrag: Pumpernickel bread: Wtf are you talking about? Trials are not required for a shooting death, only when the state believes a crime has been commited. Or apparently when they want to lynch someone to appease the masses

When you call having a trial a "lynching" you have lost any semblance of perspective.


There are a lot of people who want to "take back" the word lynching so that white people can use it without being incredibly racist.

/protip: If nobody's being dragged through the streets and hung, it's not a lynching.
 
2013-07-13 11:00:01 AM  

Graffito: dittybopper: MFAWG: dittybopper: MFAWG: It already has. Everybody's assumption was that Zimmerman was covered by this law, right up until the two guys that wrote it said 'not so much, no'.

In one small way, it has, in the instructions to the jury:

"If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. "

What about the dead kids same right?

Honest question.

Dead kid isn't on trial.  George Zimmerman is.

I think the question is valid.  What about Trayvon Martin's right to stand his ground?  One of the defense arguments is that Martin had 4 minutes to run away, but didn't.


This is the cinch point for me. They can't both be defending themselves, and striking someone who is stalking you at night is self-defense (I really don't care what anyone has to say about that, if you've been followed at night you already know I am right.). Trayvon Martin, if ever he did actually attack Zimmerman, would have been doing so in self defense. I don't recall any evidence presented that showed Martin with signs of having been involved in a fight. If he was smacking Zimmerman's head off the ground as was (once?) claimed, he would have Zimmerman's hair, blood, and saliva on his body.
 
2013-07-13 11:03:26 AM  
Trayvon had every right to defend himself from a stranger who stalked him all the way through the neighborhood with a gun. The only way to think he didn't is to believe the sole word of a known liar whose ass is on the line. You have to ignore the entire event leading up to this singular moment in time and how it came to this. You have to believe that when Trayvon with his phone earbuds still in his ears and while still on the line talking to the girl he was also plotting an ambush and hiding in the bushes. You have to believe that in those 4 minutes George couldn't get back to his truck which was only 5 seconds away from when he got out and was told not to follow. That's not reasonable. What is reasonable is that he initiated the confrontation. and when asked why he was following Trayvon instead of telling Trayvon who he was and why he was there he made a sudden provocative move to reach for his pocket. In that instant Trayvon had to believe that his life was in danger and is therefore granted the self defense use of force authorization.
 
2013-07-13 02:25:14 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Trayvon had every right to defend himself from a stranger who stalked him all the way through the neighborhood with a gun. The only way to think he didn't is to believe the sole word of a known liar whose ass is on the line. You have to ignore the entire event leading up to this singular moment in time and how it came to this. You have to believe that when Trayvon with his phone earbuds still in his ears and while still on the line talking to the girl he was also plotting an ambush and hiding in the bushes. You have to believe that in those 4 minutes George couldn't get back to his truck which was only 5 seconds away from when he got out and was told not to follow. That's not reasonable. What is reasonable is that he initiated the confrontation. and when asked why he was following Trayvon instead of telling Trayvon who he was and why he was there he made a sudden provocative move to reach for his pocket. In that instant Trayvon had to believe that his life was in danger and is therefore granted the self defense use of force authorization.


i1162.photobucket.com
 
HBK
2013-07-13 02:38:13 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Trayvon had every right to defend himself from a stranger who stalked him all the way through the neighborhood with a gun. The only way to think he didn't is to believe the sole word of a known liar whose ass is on the line. You have to ignore the entire event leading up to this singular moment in time and how it came to this. You have to believe that when Trayvon with his phone earbuds still in his ears and while still on the line talking to the girl he was also plotting an ambush and hiding in the bushes. You have to believe that in those 4 minutes George couldn't get back to his truck which was only 5 seconds away from when he got out and was told not to follow. That's not reasonable. What is reasonable is that he initiated the confrontation. and when asked why he was following Trayvon instead of telling Trayvon who he was and why he was there he made a sudden provocative move to reach for his pocket. In that instant Trayvon had to believe that his life was in danger and is therefore granted the self defense use of force authorization.


You couldn't be more wrong:

1) Trayvon was carrying tea and skittles
2) Unicorns love to "taste the rainbow"
3) Trayvon saw Zimmerman and they began talking to each other like civilized neighbors.
4) Bounding uncontrollably for the skittles, the unicorn knocked trayvon onto zimmerman.
5) While the unicorn was nudging trayvon (who was on top of zimmerman) for his delicious skittles, zimmerman's head hit the pavement several times.
6) Thinking that both his own and Trayvon's lives were at risk due to the unicorn who was now rabidly going after the skittles, Zimmerman fired his pistol at the unicorn.
7) That shot instead hit Trayvon in the heart, killing him.
8) Zimmerman, distraught from accidentally killing Trayvon, and knowing that nobody would believe the unicorn story made up the entire self defense claim.

There's as much evidence to support my story as yours.
 
2013-07-13 03:00:41 PM  

Griftin Rubes: bdub77: Lsherm: SovietCanuckistan: A Terrible Human: ChipNASA: [i1.ytimg.com image 320x180]

/you guys are slipping. *I* am King Sh*t of Fark Island for catching this. You're just plebeians.

Okay I'm just going to have to ask why the fark you keep posting that.

When you're King Sh*t of F*ck Island, you do what you want.

This is never going to be a thing.  Stop it.

Yes please.

ok so who died and  made you guys King of Sh*t F*ck Island  anyways ?


Your mother.
 
2013-07-13 10:57:41 PM  

MFAWG: Bullshiat. I don't think those 6 ladies aregoing to buy it either. I'm betting at least one of them has had some creepazoid follow them down a dark street.


I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
2013-07-14 12:30:44 AM  

Whiskey Pete: Hobodeluxe: Trayvon had every right to defend himself from a stranger who stalked him all the way through the neighborhood with a gun. The only way to think he didn't is to believe the sole word of a known liar whose ass is on the line. You have to ignore the entire event leading up to this singular moment in time and how it came to this. You have to believe that when Trayvon with his phone earbuds still in his ears and while still on the line talking to the girl he was also plotting an ambush and hiding in the bushes. You have to believe that in those 4 minutes George couldn't get back to his truck which was only 5 seconds away from when he got out and was told not to follow. That's not reasonable. What is reasonable is that he initiated the confrontation. and when asked why he was following Trayvon instead of telling Trayvon who he was and why he was there he made a sudden provocative move to reach for his pocket. In that instant Trayvon had to believe that his life was in danger and is therefore granted the self defense use of force authorization.

[i1162.photobucket.com image 340x480]


That's not how it works, either of you. Self defense is immediate danger, like getting your head pounded against the pavement.  It's not imagining you'll be killed by a black kid carrying Skittles.
 
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