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(Daily Mail)   Ireland finally joins the rest of the ancient world in realizing that dying women are unlikely to give birth   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 139
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2013-07-12 11:07:03 AM
I'm struggling to find a "top o' the mourning" joke about the widower, but coming up short.
 
2013-07-12 11:09:58 AM

Poopspasm: I'm struggling to find a "top o' the mourning" joke about the widower, but coming up short.


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who are you calling short?
 
2013-07-12 11:11:31 AM
in all seriousness though, regardless of your moral views on abortion to not save a woman who is dying and begging for her life is immoral by any standards so good for the Irish
 
2013-07-12 11:12:01 AM
Good for her.

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2013-07-12 11:12:50 AM
FTA:  The Irish Government has passed landmark legislation today to allow abortion in the country in certain circumstances.

While I am thankful that Ireland is heading toward the right direction, they still have a ways to go.
 
2013-07-12 11:14:29 AM
If I were the doctor for that Indian woman and I had to choose between breaking the law and saving her life, I would happily break the law and face the consequences.  What a waste of life all because of some stupid religion.
 
2013-07-12 11:14:48 AM
But god must have wanted them dead. Sinners!
 
2013-07-12 11:15:00 AM

ModernPrimitive01: so good for the Irish


Would have been better if they had realized the problem themselves instead of having their hand forced by a high-profile and 100% preventable death.
 
2013-07-12 11:15:40 AM
Someone had to die before reversing restrictions inspired by Bronze Age theology. Sad.
 
2013-07-12 11:17:08 AM
A truly progressive society allows abortions 5 minutes before birth because the women changed her mind and decided she doesn't want to be a mom.
 
2013-07-12 11:17:26 AM
Eventually, Ireland will pass Texas in abortion rights.

/and by "eventually" I mean "probably within the next two or three years".
 
2013-07-12 11:17:57 AM

raerae1980: FTA:  The Irish Government has passed landmark legislation today to allow abortion in the country in certain circumstances.

While I am thankful that Ireland is heading toward the right direction, they still have a ways to go.


And here we are going backwards at the hands of ignorant religious fundamentalists.
 
2013-07-12 11:19:20 AM
I'm up all night to get some,
She's up all night to get lucky

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2013-07-12 11:19:23 AM
This is why you have separation of church and state.

Sad that another woman had to die because "Ireland is a Catholic country"

Such a good, upstanding church too...
 
2013-07-12 11:19:48 AM

Frank N Stein: A truly progressive society allows abortions 5 minutes before birth because the women changed her mind and decided she doesn't want to be a mom.



A truly stupid person throws the above shiatstain on the internet and thinks they are making a good point.
 
2013-07-12 11:19:51 AM

Frank N Stein: A truly progressive society allows abortions 5 minutes before birth because the women changed her mind and decided she doesn't want to be a mom.


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2013-07-12 11:20:17 AM
Well that'll certainly bring back anyone who's died prior to this law being passed.
 
2013-07-12 11:20:47 AM

Frank N Stein: A truly progressive society allows abortions 5 minutes before birth because the women changed her mind and decided she doesn't want to be a mom.


And a truly conservative society believes that a dead mother and her child is better than a dead baby which was already miscarried.
 
2013-07-12 11:21:02 AM
Ireland will face God's eternal wrath for this.
 
2013-07-12 11:21:37 AM

Frank N Stein: A truly progressive society allows abortions 5 minutes before birth because the women changed her mind and decided she doesn't want to be a mom.


Freedom stings, eh?

// and would you rather find that infant in a dumpster?
// or would you adopt (or allow the state to adopt) such a kid, or be fine with your tax money paying for their food, shelter, schooling, etc for the next 18 years?
// or, 14-18 years on, staring at you from behind ironsights?
// my point is that abortion is the least bad choice, given the circumstances you presented
 
2013-07-12 11:22:50 AM

Frank N Stein: A truly progressive society allows abortions 5 minutes before birth because the women changed her mind and decided she doesn't want to be a mom.


Could you please point us to whomever considers this to be part of the definition of "a truly progressive society"?
 
2013-07-12 11:23:06 AM

jst3p: raerae1980: FTA:  The Irish Government has passed landmark legislation today to allow abortion in the country in certain circumstances.

While I am thankful that Ireland is heading toward the right direction, they still have a ways to go.

And here we are going backwards at the hands of ignorant religious fundamentalists.


Well, we still have the courts trying to smack them back down, at least in Wisconsin
 
2013-07-12 11:24:32 AM
They'll be back, what with Texas banning women and all. New and exciting times for government sponsored misogyny.
 
2013-07-12 11:26:13 AM

jst3p: Frank N Stein: A truly progressive society allows abortions 5 minutes before birth because the women changed her mind and decided she doesn't want to be a mom.


A truly stupid person throws the above shiatstain on the internet and thinks they are making a good point.

Mike Chewbacca: Frank N Stein: A truly progressive society allows abortions 5 minutes before birth because the women changed her mind and decided she doesn't want to be a mom.

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Do you disagree with me? Are admitting that you want to restrict a woman's right to choose?

Karac: Frank N Stein: A truly progressive society allows abortions 5 minutes before birth because the women changed her mind and decided she doesn't want to be a mom.

And a truly conservative society believes that a dead mother and her child is better than a dead baby which was already miscarried.


In life threatening cases, I actually do think that abortion should be legal. It should be legal under other circumstances as well. However, I'm strongly against late term abortions. I feel that snuffing out a living, human heartbeat from a viable life for no other reason than a shrugging of responsibility is wrong.
 
2013-07-12 11:28:14 AM

Frank N Stein: In life threatening cases, I actually do think that abortion should be legal. It should be legal under other circumstances as well. However, I'm strongly against late term abortions. I feel that snuffing out a living, human heartbeat from a viable life for no other reason than a shrugging of responsibility is wrong.


Has anyone in this thread advocated late term abortions? You are the one who brought it up.
 
2013-07-12 11:29:05 AM

Frank N Stein: jst3p: Frank N Stein: A truly progressive society allows abortions 5 minutes before birth because the women changed her mind and decided she doesn't want to be a mom.


A truly stupid person throws the above shiatstain on the internet and thinks they are making a good point.
Mike Chewbacca: Frank N Stein: A truly progressive society allows abortions 5 minutes before birth because the women changed her mind and decided she doesn't want to be a mom.

[scm-l3.technorati.com image 284x422]

Do you disagree with me? Are admitting that you want to restrict a woman's right to choose?

Karac: Frank N Stein: A truly progressive society allows abortions 5 minutes before birth because the women changed her mind and decided she doesn't want to be a mom.

And a truly conservative society believes that a dead mother and her child is better than a dead baby which was already miscarried.

In life threatening cases, I actually do think that abortion should be legal. It should be legal under other circumstances as well. However, I'm strongly against late term abortions. I feel that snuffing out a living, human heartbeat from a viable life for no other reason than a shrugging of responsibility is wrong.


Then you shouldn't have a problem with how it's administered here; extremely rare and when medical issues are involved. Otherwise you're being a pathetic troll.
 
2013-07-12 11:30:26 AM

Frank N Stein: In life threatening cases, I actually do think that abortion should be legal. It should be legal under other circumstances as well. However, I'm strongly against late term abortions. I feel that snuffing out a living, human heartbeat from a viable life for no other reason than a shrugging of responsibility is wrong.


So ... what you're saying is you completely agree with the change in the law, and just brought up the '5 minutes before birth' bit as a steaming pile of thread shiat.
 
2013-07-12 11:32:36 AM

jst3p: Has anyone in this thread advocated late term abortions? You are the one who brought it up.


Karac: So ... what you're saying is you completely agree with the change in the law, and just brought up the '5 minutes before birth' bit as a steaming pile of thread shiat.


I brought it up because "hurrrr long way to go derp TEXAS". People in this thread brought up the slippery slope, I'm just making them actually look at it.
 
2013-07-12 11:33:17 AM

Frank N Stein: A truly progressive society allows abortions 5 minutes before birth because the women changed her mind and decided she doesn't want to be a mom.


Yes, we know you don't consider women people.
 
2013-07-12 11:33:46 AM

Frank N Stein:  However, I'm strongly against late term abortions.

 I feel that snuffing out a living, human heartbeat from a viable life for no other reason than a shrugging of responsibility is wrong.

Who does this??  Seriously, find me a woman who did this!!!

Women who carry to term that late usually wants the baby.   Why do you think otherwise?

/So confusing
 
2013-07-12 11:34:10 AM

Frank N Stein: jst3p: Has anyone in this thread advocated late term abortions? You are the one who brought it up.

Karac: So ... what you're saying is you completely agree with the change in the law, and just brought up the '5 minutes before birth' bit as a steaming pile of thread shiat.

I brought it up because "hurrrr long way to go derp TEXAS". People in this thread brought up the slippery slope, I'm just making them actually look at it.

an idiot.
 
2013-07-12 11:35:13 AM

Frank N Stein: In life threatening cases, I actually do think that abortion should be legal. It should be legal under other circumstances as well. However, I'm strongly against late term abortions. I feel that snuffing out a living, human heartbeat from a viable life for no other reason than a shrugging of responsibility is wrong.


So you are a typical, pro-choice liberal?
 
2013-07-12 11:35:19 AM

raerae1980: Frank N Stein:  However, I'm strongly against late term abortions. I feel that snuffing out a living, human heartbeat from a viable life for no other reason than a shrugging of responsibility is wrong.

Who does this??  Seriously, find me a woman who did this!!!

Women who carry to term that late usually wants the baby.   Why do you think otherwise?

/So confusing


He's a threadshiatting tool who thinks women are basically walking dick receptacles and incubators, just like every other rightist.
 
2013-07-12 11:35:37 AM

Frank N Stein: jst3p: Has anyone in this thread advocated late term abortions? You are the one who brought it up.

Karac: So ... what you're saying is you completely agree with the change in the law, and just brought up the '5 minutes before birth' bit as a steaming pile of thread shiat.

I brought it up because "hurrrr long way to go derp TEXAS". People in this thread brought up the slippery slope, I'm just making them actually look at it.


Yea....you are really confusing.   Do you know what's going on in Texas?
 
2013-07-12 11:36:57 AM

Frank N Stein: Do you disagree with me? Are admitting that you want to restrict a woman's right to choose?


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-07-12 11:37:22 AM

Frank N Stein: jst3p: Has anyone in this thread advocated late term abortions? You are the one who brought it up.

Karac: So ... what you're saying is you completely agree with the change in the law, and just brought up the '5 minutes before birth' bit as a steaming pile of thread shiat.

I brought it up because "hurrrr long way to go derp TEXAS". People in this thread brought up the slippery slope, I'm just making them actually look at it.


OK, I just looked at all the comments before yours.  All I saw was a bikini pic, a pissed off midget, and a couple people bemoaning the fact that a woman died needlessly.  Could you please tell me which of those involved either Texas, herpaderp, or a slippery slope?

Again, Frank n Stein = steaming dog turd
 
2013-07-12 11:38:02 AM

Frank N Stein: In life threatening cases, I actually do think that abortion should be legal. It should be legal under other circumstances as well. However, I'm strongly against late term abortions. I feel that snuffing out a living, human heartbeat from a viable life for no other reason than a shrugging of responsibility is wrong.


Instead of jumping in the thread and sounding like a kneejerk threadshiatting right-wing asshat, maybe you should step back for a moment and look at the discourse. I don't mean any offense, but you're making assumptions that aren't just wrong, but wrong in a perfectly reversed way.

It's pro-lifers who generally want to ban all abortions. You know, like Ireland in TFA until just now. The only reason the discourse has moved to limitations instead of bans in this country is because bans are unconstitutional, and that's still not stopping conservatives from forcing de facto bans by putting so many limitations on how and where they can be done.

You'll find very few pro-choice people complaining about very late-term abortions being banned or severely limited, and you'll find very few pro-choice people wanting abortions to serve as regular birth control or to be treated lightly. We just want it to be legal and available for when it's necessary under different circumstances. We're willing to have this discussion. We're okay with saying "Okay, after a late point, it's a no-go unless it will potentially kill the mother not to." We're okay with saying "There are concerns, but as long as it is available in some way under circumstances we find reasonable, we're okay with limiting it."

Conservatives and pro-lifers are the ones who want to eliminate abortion as a very concept. Any compromises they make are either stealth attempts to ban abortions completely on a state level or begrudging examples of political opportunism by saying there should be exceptions in rape and incest and then making the most bugfark retarded statements possible about rape as if it's an afterthought.

Kill this "truly progressive society" bullshiat you're spouting. We're open to certain limitations. It's vocal pro-lifers who want to end abortion, period, no negotiations. And if you don't believe it, LOOK AT TFA AND WHAT AN ENTIRE NATION OF RELIGIOUSLY FUELED PRO-LIFERS HAVE DONE. Or look at any of dozens of anti-women legislations raised by conservative states.
 
2013-07-12 11:39:12 AM
The ancient world was not the prissy patraichal garbage of today. Women in mythology were powerful warriors who could do all sorts of things. Irish warrior women in the Mabinogion and other myths could even fight pitched battles while pregnant, and win their fights without men's aid. You have to be a weak, measly Modern to tell stories where women can't give birth while dying. Or fighting with spears and cudgels, for that matter.
 
2013-07-12 11:39:18 AM

Frank N Stein: In life threatening cases, I actually do think that abortion should be legal. It should be legal under other circumstances as well. However, I'm strongly against late term abortions. I feel that snuffing out a living, human heartbeat from a viable life for no other reason than a shrugging of responsibility is wrong.


Yes, things that never, ever, ever, ever, ever happen may be bad. Perhaps that's why they never, ever, ever, ever happen?

Newflash, jackass - no one gets an abortion five minutes, five days, or even five weeks before giving birth, because they want to. Late term abortions are exclusively done when something has gone really wrong. By demonizing those women who want to have their kid, you're attacking cancer patients, hydroencephalic fetuses, and other people with severe illnesses. You're quite literally one of the worst people in existence.
 
2013-07-12 11:42:19 AM

Theaetetus: Frank N Stein: In life threatening cases, I actually do think that abortion should be legal. It should be legal under other circumstances as well. However, I'm strongly against late term abortions. I feel that snuffing out a living, human heartbeat from a viable life for no other reason than a shrugging of responsibility is wrong.

Yes, things that never, ever, ever, ever, ever happen may be bad. Perhaps that's why they never, ever, ever, ever happen?

Newflash, jackass - no one gets an abortion five minutes, five days, or even five weeks before giving birth, because they want to. Late term abortions are exclusively done when something has gone really wrong. By demonizing those women who want to have their kid, you're attacking cancer patients, hydroencephalic fetuses, and other people with severe illnesses. You're quite literally one of the worst people in existence.


Normally I wouldn't endorse a statement like this, I would call it hyperbole. But you are spot on in this case.
 
2013-07-12 11:43:07 AM
You guys are all suckers. It wasn't even a good troll.
 
2013-07-12 11:44:35 AM
I hope the United States will ban abortion soon. The murders of innocent children should not stand. Ireland is moving towards the Dark Ages.
 
2013-07-12 11:46:15 AM

Mike Chewbacca: You guys are all suckers. It wasn't even a good troll.


you go to thread with the trolls you have, not the trolls you wish you had.
 
2013-07-12 11:48:40 AM

Bloody William: Instead of jumping in the thread and sounding like a kneejerk threadshiatting right-wing asshat, maybe you should step back for a moment and look at the discourse. I don't mean any offense, but you're making assumptions that aren't just wrong, but wrong in a perfectly reversed way.


You're probably right. I should have stepped back and wait for the thread to play out. I disagree with your post, but thanks for taking the time to post it (no snark, for real).

I'll leave off with this: We all make mistakes in life that we have to live with. The only difference in regards to abortion is (in non-medical necessity cases) is that problem is able to be, literally, killed. This issue can be wrapped up in the flag of women's lib, sure. But when it comes down to it, non-medically necessary cases of abortion (of which around 97.2% are not for medical reasons) are abortions of convenience, just another way to shrug responsibility.
 
2013-07-12 11:50:11 AM

Frank N Stein: Bloody William: Instead of jumping in the thread and sounding like a kneejerk threadshiatting right-wing asshat, maybe you should step back for a moment and look at the discourse. I don't mean any offense, but you're making assumptions that aren't just wrong, but wrong in a perfectly reversed way.

You're probably right. I should have stepped back and wait for the thread to play out. I disagree with your post, but thanks for taking the time to post it (no snark, for real).

I'll leave off with this: We all make mistakes in life that we have to live with. The only difference in regards to abortion is (in non-medical necessity cases) is that problem is able to be, literally, killed. This issue can be wrapped up in the flag of women's lib, sure. But when it comes down to it, non-medically necessary cases of abortion (of which around 97.2% are not for medical reasons) are abortions of convenience, just another way to shrug responsibility.


No, that's wrong, but that's okay, you're confused and emotional about this issue. You should probably ask your wife or girlfriend to explain it to you.
 
2013-07-12 11:50:37 AM
I was told life of the mother issues never happen and God will save them so there's no point in the exception.

You're telling me religious nutjobs lie?!?!
 
2013-07-12 11:51:53 AM

Frank N Stein: But when it comes down to it, non-medically necessary cases of abortion (of which around 97.2% are not for medical reasons)


Surely you can provide some supporting documentation for this assertion.
 
2013-07-12 11:53:36 AM

Frank N Stein: I'll leave off with this: We all make mistakes in life that we have to live with. The only difference in regards to abortion is (in non-medical necessity cases) is that problem is able to be, literally, killed. This issue can be wrapped up in the flag of women's lib, sure. But when it comes down to it, non-medically necessary cases of abortion (of which around 97.2% are not for medical reasons) are abortions of convenience, just another way to shrug responsibility punishment for sexual immorality.


FTFY
 
2013-07-12 11:55:07 AM

qorkfiend: Frank N Stein: But when it comes down to it, non-medically necessary cases of abortion (of which around 97.2% are not for medical reasons)

Surely you can provide some supporting documentation for this assertion.


http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2411798.pdf
 
2013-07-12 11:55:15 AM

Dr Dreidel: Frank N Stein: A truly progressive society allows abortions 5 minutes before birth because the women changed her mind and decided she doesn't want to be a mom.

Freedom stings, eh?

// and would you rather find that infant in a dumpster?
// or would you adopt (or allow the state to adopt) such a kid, or be fine with your tax money paying for their food, shelter, schooling, etc for the next 18 years?
// or, 14-18 years on, staring at you from behind ironsights?
// my point is that abortion is the least bad choice, given the circumstances you presented


Don't try and argue this bullshiat on it's merits, it has none.  NO ONE terminates a pregnancy "5 minutes before birth".  Period.  And no one terminates a late term pregnancy because "the women changed their minds".  Conservatives would have you believe all women are flakey, fickle creatures who would undergo an invasive and uncomfortable medical procedure "on a whim".  But that is almost NEVER the case.

It's an important and weighty choice, and one that government has no place making.
 
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