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2013-07-12 09:22:36 AM  
If they do it, they need to be able to get the entire cast together again.  Focusing on one character per episode is an interesting experiment, but it means the show misses the interactions that are part of what made the show so good in the first place.
 
2013-07-12 09:51:25 AM  
well, the show could really use ANUSTART.
 
2013-07-12 10:17:05 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: If they do it, they need to be able to get the entire cast together again.  Focusing on one character per episode is an interesting experiment, but it means the show misses the interactions that are part of what made the show so good in the first place.


Annnd we're done here.  That was the only real complaint that I had about season four, and I'd bet that it wouldn't have taken until episodes 4-5 to really get rolling had the cast all been there when needed.  Probably wouldn't have had so much repetition in the later episodes either.

That being said, I still plan on watching S4 again, just to pick out all the humor I missed the first time around.

DO YOU SEE, HOLLYWOOD?  YOU CAN MAKE A SMART, IRREVERENT COMEDY THAT HAS PEOPLE COMING BACK FOR MORE! ENOUGH WITH THE SCARY MOVIE SCHLOCK!!!!
 
2013-07-12 10:28:43 AM  
I watched the first few episodes of season 4 but just could not get into it. I will push through, since I hear it gets better
 
2013-07-12 10:45:51 AM  

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: I watched the first few episodes of season 4 but just could not get into it. I will push through, since I hear it gets better


Two words: Feral Jesus.
 
2013-07-12 10:49:20 AM  
I watched one episode and gave up. Didn't have that same magic, shockingly.
 
2013-07-12 10:56:28 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I watched one episode and gave up. Didn't have that same magic, shockingly.


Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: I watched the first few episodes of season 4 but just could not get into it. I will push through, since I hear it gets better


Don't think of it as "the first episode" or "the first few episodes".  Think of it as the first hour in a 12 hour movie.  The first few episodes really build and lay the groundwork for the later episodes.

It's different from the earlier seasons.  Honestly, I didn't enjoy it as much as, say, season 2 but by the time you get to the end, you realize it's been a hell of a ride.
 
2013-07-12 11:00:10 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I watched one episode and gave up. Didn't have that same magic, shockingly.


First episode left me cold with Michael as a loser and I almost gave up but the rest of the episodes were better.  Some better than others.  Bonus they got the kid from Happy Days to play in a few episodes, guess he need work
 
2013-07-12 11:07:43 AM  

Cheron: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I watched one episode and gave up. Didn't have that same magic, shockingly.

First episode left me cold with Michael as a loser and I almost gave up but the rest of the episodes were better.  Some better than others.  Bonus they got the kid from Happy Days to play in a few episodes, guess he need work


Yeah, it starts out very strangely - the first characters we see are celebrities playing young George and Lucille, and Michael is in such a vastly different place in his life than where we last saw him.  It's really jarring.  Hopefully they can iron it out and make season 5 smoother.  The ending has so many dangling threads that they've clearly got some sort of plan in mind, so we'll see.
 
2013-07-12 11:08:10 AM  

Cheron: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I watched one episode and gave up. Didn't have that same magic, shockingly.

First episode left me cold with Michael as a loser and I almost gave up but the rest of the episodes were better.  Some better than others.  Bonus they got the kid from Happy Days to play in a few episodes, guess he need work


Yeah, same thing happened to me.  Michael was the one semi-relatable character in the show, and the shenanigans of his family made him look like a flawed saint.  He was just a loser in the first episode, and an unrelatable one after that.
 
2013-07-12 11:08:52 AM  

PainInTheASP: Rev. Skarekroe: If they do it, they need to be able to get the entire cast together again.  Focusing on one character per episode is an interesting experiment, but it means the show misses the interactions that are part of what made the show so good in the first place.

Annnd we're done here.  That was the only real complaint that I had about season four, and I'd bet that it wouldn't have taken until episodes 4-5 to really get rolling had the cast all been there when needed.  Probably wouldn't have had so much repetition in the later episodes either.

That being said, I still plan on watching S4 again, just to pick out all the humor I missed the first time around.

DO YOU SEE, HOLLYWOOD?  YOU CAN MAKE A SMART, IRREVERENT COMEDY THAT HAS PEOPLE COMING BACK FOR MORE! ENOUGH WITH THE SCARY MOVIE SCHLOCK!!!!


I'm currently stuck on episode four or five.  It's not that I don't like it, it's just that there's no compelling reason for me to watch.  I'll probably continue to plod along with it this summer and then, when I have a sick day or something some time this winter I'll probably binge them all.

I think it's the "release everything at once" model that's getting me.  I wasn't able to watch all the episodes the first weekend, and by the time I started watching them, everybody seemed to be done talking about it, so there was no reason for me to hurry and catch up.
 
2013-07-12 11:09:51 AM  
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Can't a ninja catch a break around here?!
 
2013-07-12 11:11:55 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: If they do it, they need to be able to get the entire cast together again.  Focusing on one character per episode is an interesting experiment, but it means the show misses the interactions that are part of what made the show so good in the first place.


It was interesting and I think that the format took advantage of the tendency of AD fans to pay attention to details. As the season progresses, the overall story makes more & more sense to the viewer. It wasn't the same, obviously, but it wasn't bad.
 
2013-07-12 11:12:06 AM  
Headline has the only joke I audibly laughed at during the show.
 
2013-07-12 11:16:49 AM  
They're making a huge mistake
 
2013-07-12 11:17:06 AM  

Lexx: Yeah, same thing happened to me. Michael was the one semi-relatable character in the show, and the shenanigans of his family made him look like a flawed saint. He was just a loser in the first episode, and an unrelatable one after that.


Yeah, but after you go back into the previous seasons, you see that Michael is just as self centered and oblivious as the rest of them, with the difference being that his goals are supposed to be noble than the rest of his family. This season sort of crystallizes that sentiment.
 
2013-07-12 11:19:46 AM  

Cheron: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I watched one episode and gave up. Didn't have that same magic, shockingly.

First episode left me cold with Michael as a loser and I almost gave up but the rest of the episodes were better.  Some better than others.   Bonus they got the kid from Happy Days to play in a few episodes, guess he need work


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2013-07-12 11:23:02 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Lexx: Yeah, same thing happened to me. Michael was the one semi-relatable character in the show, and the shenanigans of his family made him look like a flawed saint. He was just a loser in the first episode, and an unrelatable one after that.

Yeah, but after you go back into the previous seasons, you see that Michael is just as self centered and oblivious as the rest of them, with the difference being that his goals are supposed to be noble than the rest of his family. This season sort of crystallizes that sentiment.


Flawed but aspiring to do good, vs flawed & blatantly self-interested.  Anyone who has a family of lunatics can identify.
 
2013-07-12 11:27:54 AM  

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: I watched the first few episodes of season 4 but just could not get into it. I will push through, since I hear it gets better


It gets better but quality varies a lot depending on what charter the episode focuses on. Tobias and Gob are the best IMHO.
 
2013-07-12 11:28:43 AM  

Lexx: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Lexx: Yeah, same thing happened to me. Michael was the one semi-relatable character in the show, and the shenanigans of his family made him look like a flawed saint. He was just a loser in the first episode, and an unrelatable one after that.

Yeah, but after you go back into the previous seasons, you see that Michael is just as self centered and oblivious as the rest of them, with the difference being that his goals are supposed to be noble than the rest of his family. This season sort of crystallizes that sentiment.

Flawed but aspiring to do good, vs flawed & blatantly self-interested.  Anyone who has a family of lunatics can identify.


Personally, I think that's the reason they gave Michael a recently-deceased wife in his back story.  It makes him and George Michael sympathetic while providing the influence necessary to keep him from being just as terrible as the rest of the family.  The more time passes, the more shiat gets heaped on him, and the more contact he has with the family, the more that innate Bluth-ness comes to the fore.
 
2013-07-12 11:29:24 AM  
I liked it, but it wasn't the same show. The Boobieser nailed it: AD's strong suit was fast paced dialogue between the main characters, and the format didn't let them do that. I had heard that lots of things would make more sense as the show went on, but outside of the Gob episodes there were very few laugh out loud moments.

My biggest issue was the ending
<SPOILERS>

Having Michael and George Michael's relationship break down to the point where he strikes his father, then cutting to the credits, was an unsettling way to end the season. While their relationship has always had flaws to end on a bitter and hurtful note like that was jarring.
 
2013-07-12 11:31:21 AM  

Lexx: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Lexx: Yeah, same thing happened to me. Michael was the one semi-relatable character in the show, and the shenanigans of his family made him look like a flawed saint. He was just a loser in the first episode, and an unrelatable one after that.

Yeah, but after you go back into the previous seasons, you see that Michael is just as self centered and oblivious as the rest of them, with the difference being that his goals are supposed to be noble than the rest of his family. This season sort of crystallizes that sentiment.

Flawed but aspiring to do good, vs flawed & blatantly self-interested.  Anyone who has a family of lunatics can identify.


I don't know, there's definitely an arguement for his sself-interest from the very beginning. In the very first episode he tries to leave because he wasn't named CEO.
 
2013-07-12 11:38:04 AM  

Willas Tyrell:
My biggest issue was the ending
<SPOILERS>
.


The ending was intended as the setup for the planned AD movie (no idea what the status of that is if they're considering season 5).

/slightly off-topic: I'm 9 episodes into their latest original offering "Orange is the New Black." It's the first thing they've done that I've enjoyed consistently from the start.
 
2013-07-12 11:38:26 AM  

AnotherBluesStringer: Lexx: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Lexx: Yeah, same thing happened to me. Michael was the one semi-relatable character in the show, and the shenanigans of his family made him look like a flawed saint. He was just a loser in the first episode, and an unrelatable one after that.

Yeah, but after you go back into the previous seasons, you see that Michael is just as self centered and oblivious as the rest of them, with the difference being that his goals are supposed to be noble than the rest of his family. This season sort of crystallizes that sentiment.

Flawed but aspiring to do good, vs flawed & blatantly self-interested.  Anyone who has a family of lunatics can identify.

I don't know, there's definitely an arguement for his sself-interest from the very beginning. In the very first episode he tries to leave because he wasn't named CEO.


Michael is only the "smart one" relative to the rest of the Bluths. In the previous seasons, they did hint at that, but Season 4 really made that clear.
 
2013-07-12 11:43:46 AM  

jake_lex: AnotherBluesStringer: Lexx: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Lexx: Yeah, same thing happened to me. Michael was the one semi-relatable character in the show, and the shenanigans of his family made him look like a flawed saint. He was just a loser in the first episode, and an unrelatable one after that.

Yeah, but after you go back into the previous seasons, you see that Michael is just as self centered and oblivious as the rest of them, with the difference being that his goals are supposed to be noble than the rest of his family. This season sort of crystallizes that sentiment.

Flawed but aspiring to do good, vs flawed & blatantly self-interested.  Anyone who has a family of lunatics can identify.

I don't know, there's definitely an arguement for his sself-interest from the very beginning. In the very first episode he tries to leave because he wasn't named CEO.

Michael is only the "smart one" relative to the rest of the Bluths. In the previous seasons, they did hint at that, but Season 4 really made that clear.


He's the only adult Bluth who ever even attempted to keep things on track with the family, the company and his son.  I think that made season 4 all the more uncomfortable, watching him quickly descend into true Bluth-ness, ending with the one strong relationship he had, his son, falling apart due to his own selfish, manipulative actions.  It was uncomfortable as hell and still pretty great.

Snapper Carr: /slightly off-topic: I'm 9 episodes into their latest original offering "Orange is the New Black." It's the first thing they've done that I've enjoyed consistently from the start.


I was hooked on House of Cards from the very beginning, but I'm really liking that new show.  I don't know whether it's a lack of studio meddling, strong financial support for shows or just good luck (probably all of the above), but I'm really interested to see what they do next.
 
2013-07-12 11:44:52 AM  

Snapper Carr: /slightly off-topic: I'm 9 episodes into their latest original offering "Orange is the New Black." It's the first thing they've done that I've enjoyed consistently from the start.


I am wary of that show.  It is by Jenji Kohan, who created "Weeds," which was a great show for a season or two and then degenerated into unwatchable shiat.
 
2013-07-12 11:47:00 AM  

paidhima: I was hooked on House of Cards from the very beginning


I would have probably liked House of Cards a lot more if I weren't such an fan of the original series. Hopefully as the show diverges further from the source material I'll find good things in it but I couldn't stop comparing the first season to its BBC namesake.
 
2013-07-12 11:54:07 AM  
They did what they could with the cards they had. I think the writing itself was as strong as ever. The cast just needs to be wrangled together for further seasons and it'll be just like old times.
 
2013-07-12 12:07:51 PM  

Snapper Carr: Willas Tyrell:
My biggest issue was the ending
<SPOILERS>
.

The ending was intended as the setup for the planned AD movie (no idea what the status of that is if they're considering season 5).


Oh I got that, but I resented watching 12+ hours for not only no resolution at all, but for a non-ending that was out of tone with the rest of the series. Knowing it was a set up for the movie didn't make that feeling any better.

Lexx: Flawed but aspiring to do good, vs flawed & blatantly self-interested.  Anyone who has a family of lunatics can identify.


Michael was always shifty. He's a Bluth - even in the original series if there was an unethical shortcut to take, he'd usually take it. He only looks stable compared to his family.
 
2013-07-12 12:15:55 PM  
The ending ruined it for me.  Utterly awful; the only two likeable, relatable characters ruined for no clear purpose.  They will have to do some serious upward digging to get me to watch a season 5.
 
2013-07-12 12:21:39 PM  
The first few episodes were a bit slow, but it really won me over by the end. Favorite bits:

Daddy needs to get his rocks off!

Ann's mask scheme with Gob and TW

George Ma...haris (loved the punch > cut to black at the end) and the entire FakeBlock plot

Buster's episode

It's going into the rotation with the other seasons now. I do wish they were clear about what happened with Lucille 2, maybe that'll be season 5/movie.
 
2013-07-12 12:21:57 PM  
I'll watch.  Even though the show lacked some of the magic of the original run, it was still better than all but a few comedies currently airing.  If it was something brand new, we'd all be talking about this incredible new show that NetFlix is airing.
 
2013-07-12 12:28:39 PM  

QuillofNumenor: The ending ruined it for me.  Utterly awful; the only two likeable, relatable characters ruined for no clear purpose.  They will have to do some serious upward digging to get me to watch a season 5.


I thought the ending was great.  That family is full of terrible and almost completely ineffectual people.  They're so self-centered they can't get out of their own (or each other's) way long enough to not completely fark up everything they do.  It made complete sense that the centerpiece of the show, Michael's relationship with George Michael, wound up just as dysfunctional as the others.  And yet, even at its most antagonistic, when George Michael realizes his father knew full well what was going on with Rebel and did it anyway, he still couldn't manage to stand up for himself properly.  All he could manage was the weakest, most passive-aggressive punch you can imagine.
 
2013-07-12 12:51:58 PM  

Snapper Carr: Willas Tyrell:
My biggest issue was the ending
<SPOILERS>
.

The ending was intended as the setup for the planned AD movie (no idea what the status of that is if they're considering season 5).

/slightly off-topic: I'm 9 episodes into their latest original offering "Orange is the New Black." It's the first thing they've done that I've enjoyed consistently from the start.


The guy or lady that made Weeds did that, been meaning to check it out.
 
2013-07-12 01:47:36 PM  

Willas Tyrell: I liked it, but it wasn't the same show. The Boobieser nailed it: AD's strong suit was fast paced dialogue between the main characters, and the format didn't let them do that. I had heard that lots of things would make more sense as the show went on, but outside of the Gob episodes there were very few laugh out loud moments.

My biggest issue was the ending
<SPOILERS>

Having Michael and George Michael's relationship break down to the point where he strikes his father, then cutting to the credits, was an unsettling way to end the season. While their relationship has always had flaws to end on a bitter and hurtful note like that was jarring.


I agree with you it was an unsettling end to the season, especially since there might not be a season 5/movie but in terms of the characters it makes sense. George Michael was always struggling with his Michael's toxic-but-well-meaning heavy handedness. Michael has always been oblivious to his own selfishness, like the rest of the Bluths. The punch or something similar had to happen.
 
2013-07-12 01:56:33 PM  
I don't get why people are complaining about season 4. I'm halfway through it, and it has the same kind of throwback, easter-egg style humor as the first three. I think it's just as good as everything else the show did.

The only weird thing about season 4 is how most episodes only feature three or four of the main characters. It's as if they were paying the cast by episode and had each of them only show up in a couple episodes in order to keep it within budget. I'm starting to wonder if Gob is even going to show up in season 4. He's made like one five second cameo so far through six episodes.
 
2013-07-12 02:05:48 PM  

NicktheSmoker: Snapper Carr:

/slightly off-topic: I'm 9 episodes into their latest original offering "Orange is the New Black." It's the first thing they've done that I've enjoyed consistently from the start.

The guy or lady that made Weeds did that, been meaning to check it out.


It's pretty good.  The writing is smart.  I like the side characters, and get irritated/sympathetic with the main character (reminds me of weeds).  It's an adjustment seeing Jason Biggs play a role besides the American Pie stuff (I don't know anything else he was in), same with Laura Prepon.
 
2013-07-12 02:13:21 PM  
Put up this wall.
 
2013-07-12 02:34:29 PM  
It's good to know they'll be able to get a nu start...
 
2013-07-12 02:51:11 PM  

Electromax: Buster's episode


Am I weird for thinking that episode was the high point of the season?
 
2013-07-12 03:12:20 PM  

ilikeracecars: Headline has the only joke I audibly laughed at during the show.


Oh come on!
 
2013-07-12 03:14:31 PM  

Tommy Moo: The only weird thing about season 4 is how most episodes only feature three or four of the main characters. It's as if they were paying the cast by episode and had each of them only show up in a couple episodes in order to keep it within budget. I'm starting to wonder if Gob is even going to show up in season 4. He's made like one five second cameo so far through six episodes.


Bingo, but it wasn't about budgeting. Since a lot of the original cast have become stars in their own series and movies, the AD cast had to be grouped by availability basically. Seem to recall reading that in a hurwitz interview, but I can't find the source again
 
2013-07-12 03:16:03 PM  

Tommy Moo: I don't get why people are complaining about season 4. I'm halfway through it, and it has the same kind of throwback, easter-egg style humor as the first three. I think it's just as good as everything else the show did.


See, at the halfway point it's already well into good territory. The problem is the first couple episodes are slow and mostly set up the plot. Once you're about 3-4 episodes in it picks up again.

What fans seem to forget is that the first episode of the original show wasn't very funny either.
 
2013-07-12 04:00:44 PM  
I put it down around episode 6 or 7.  There is just no real ... draw for me to finish the series.  Yes, Michael is a loser.  He's always been a loser.  He's just been a loser able to convince himself he's doing the right thing, which is worse than being a normal loser because he doesn't have the wherewithal to quit and nothing to go to if he does.
 
2013-07-12 04:54:06 PM  
I thought it was the best season so far.
 
2013-07-12 05:32:28 PM  

gadian: I put it down around episode 6 or 7.  There is just no real ... draw for me to finish the series.  Yes, Michael is a loser.  He's always been a loser.  He's just been a loser able to convince himself he's doing the right thing, which is worse than being a normal loser because he doesn't have the wherewithal to quit and nothing to go to if he does.


It takes a few episodes for the show to really get going, but there's plenty of payoff in seasons 2 and 3. I stopped early on like you, but decided to give it another shot  a month or so ago and haven't been disappointed. Well, the new episodes are... a change of pace, but not necessarily a disappointment.
 
2013-07-12 05:34:57 PM  
I don't think another Cinco de Mayo will ever pass without causing me to immediately think of Cinco de Cuatro.
 
2013-07-12 05:37:36 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: If they do it, they need to be able to get the entire cast together again.  Focusing on one character per episode is an interesting experiment, but it means the show misses the interactions that are part of what made the show so good in the first place.


Yep. Plus it got really tiresome seeing the same plot points/jokes repeated episode after episode.

And what happened to Maeby? She became downright unlikable, and not in a fun, off-kilter way like everyone else. She was just a huge bummer. If they do another season, I hope she gets a better storyline.
 
2013-07-12 05:51:32 PM  

Komplex: Willas Tyrell: I liked it, but it wasn't the same show. The Boobieser nailed it: AD's strong suit was fast paced dialogue between the main characters, and the format didn't let them do that. I had heard that lots of things would make more sense as the show went on, but outside of the Gob episodes there were very few laugh out loud moments.

My biggest issue was the ending
<SPOILERS>

Having Michael and George Michael's relationship break down to the point where he strikes his father, then cutting to the credits, was an unsettling way to end the season. While their relationship has always had flaws to end on a bitter and hurtful note like that was jarring.

I agree with you it was an unsettling end to the season, especially since there might not be a season 5/movie but in terms of the characters it makes sense. George Michael was always struggling with his Michael's toxic-but-well-meaning heavy handedness. Michael has always been oblivious to his own selfishness, like the rest of the Bluths. The punch or something similar had to happen.


If I can borrow from the Plinkett reviews ... what Michael provided a whaddaya call it "prota-gonist" - a sort of everyman character the audience can relate to. With Michael sinking into Bluthness there wasn't anyone left to relate to (except maybe they were pushing George Michael into that role). You ended up with a whole bunch of annoying nasty people - without anyone to relate to or pull for.

Especially with breaking it down into individual character pieces - Buster is always amusing, and GOB's arc was surprisingly good (probably 1 and a half good episodes spread out over 2). But overall there's no real protagonist, leaving Michael, George Michael's, and the parents episodes blech and pointless .
 
2013-07-12 07:15:22 PM  
I watched the first few episodes of season 4 but just could not get into it. I will push through, since I hear it gets better

It doesn't get better. Just a lot of cultural references and tired references to itself with no real jokes
 
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