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(NBC News)   FDA sets new limits on arsenic in apple juice. In other news there's arsenic in apple juice. EVERYBODY PANIC   (nbcnews.com) divider line 52
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-07-12 08:12:22 AM
Is there a legal limit for cyanide in apple juice?
 
2013-07-12 08:30:06 AM
Well, I guess "Not News" is sort of the mantra around here.....
 
2013-07-12 09:20:51 AM
Apple seeds (and cherry, apricot and peach pits) contain arsenic.
 
2013-07-12 09:24:28 AM

Gecko Gingrich: Apple seeds (and cherry, apricot and peach pits) contain arsenic.


Sorry, cyanide. I shouldn't rely on memory.
 
2013-07-12 09:47:33 AM
THis is the result of a Dr. Oz show ratings ploy.

Arsenic is naturally occurring substance found in water. air, food and soil. Link

But Oz and a bunch of mommy-bloggers whipped it up into a frenzy about evil apple juice companies injecting poison into their snowflake's zippy cups.
 
2013-07-12 09:52:19 AM

Gecko Gingrich: Apple seeds (and cherry, apricot and peach pits) contain arsenic.


Ah, I was going to propose that 'Zero' would be a good limit.
 
2013-07-12 09:54:36 AM
They are confusing arsenic and high fructose corn syrup in kids juices I think.
 
2013-07-12 09:54:42 AM
And now I laugh at the people who panic over this.
 
2013-07-12 09:54:43 AM
They should just strain it through some Old Lace.
That will fix the problem.
 
2013-07-12 09:55:21 AM
You eat thousands of things that could kill you if they were a higher dose. Better stop eating.
 
2013-07-12 09:56:12 AM
mrc-tv.s3.amazonaws.com

So now A is for Arsenic?
 
2013-07-12 09:56:12 AM
So you think that any food with one atom of arsenic should not be eaten?
Sounds like a very effective weight loss plan. (For a short, unhealthy life of starvation.)
Better yet, eat only food with NO chemicals.
 
2013-07-12 09:58:49 AM
Another example of government regulations stifling the free market.
 
2013-07-12 09:59:35 AM
It's common knowledge that apple skins are loaded with deadly toxins
 
2013-07-12 10:00:49 AM
Fortunately, I've built up a high tolerance to apples.
 
2013-07-12 10:00:54 AM

MFAWG: Gecko Gingrich: Apple seeds (and cherry, apricot and peach pits) contain arsenic.

Ah, I was going to propose that 'Zero' would be a good limit.


Na, arsenic and cyanide are normal and common in very, very small amounts. Most water contains trace levels of both.
 
2013-07-12 10:01:13 AM
So what you're saying is that the evil trees in the Wizard of Oz would've had better luck if they made Dorothy eat the apples.
 
2013-07-12 10:10:29 AM

hardinparamedic: And now I laugh at the people who panic over this.


I used to laugh.  Now, I just want to shoot that quack, Dr. Oz, in the goddamn face.
 
2013-07-12 10:10:34 AM

Gecko Gingrich: Apple seeds (and cherry, apricot and peach pits) contain arsenic.


Didn't everyone see that episode of GI Joe where they defeat the giant blob monster by firing an apple orchard at it?
 
2013-07-12 10:15:54 AM
Why is there arsenic AT ALL in apple juice or water?

10ppb, yummmmmm
 
2013-07-12 10:24:15 AM

Fano: Gecko Gingrich: Apple seeds (and cherry, apricot and peach pits) contain arsenic.

Didn't everyone see that episode of GI Joe where they defeat the giant blob monster by firing an apple orchard at it?


And now we know.
 
2013-07-12 10:24:49 AM

Fano: Didn't everyone see that episode of GI Joe where they defeat the giant blob monster by firing an apple orchard at it?


Came for this.

...and knowing is half the battle.
 
2013-07-12 10:26:02 AM
the arsenic that is being discussed is synthetic arsenic used as a pesticide in the 18th and 19th century.  Being a heavy metal, arsenic sticks around for a few million years once you cover the ground in it for pest management, go figure...

Naturally occurring arsenic isn't toxic.  The only toxic arsenic is arsenic synthesized and process by humans for pesticides.

It's worse in brown rice from the south.
 
2013-07-12 10:29:11 AM
How about people just starting clean (or raw) and stop eating processed crap and not worry about any FDA guidelines because you shouldn't have that shiat in your body anyway?

If you want to eat it, your right, not knocking you. But anyone who eats processed food has no right to complain about smokers or obese people, or anyone not committed to their best health.
 
2013-07-12 10:32:45 AM
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Cyanide naturally occurs in apple seeds. If you pick a shiny organic apple off of a organic tree on an organic farm and crush it in to apple juice using only the freshly washed feet of virgins it STILL HAS CYANIDE IN IT.

This is just a case of people fearing things don't understand and making their fears about their snowflakes everybody else's problem.
 
2013-07-12 10:38:43 AM

Vodka Zombie: hardinparamedic: And now I laugh at the people who panic over this.

I used to laugh.  Now, I just want to shoot that quack, Dr. Oz, in the goddamn face.


I blame Oprah. She inflicted Dr. Oz AND Dr. Phil on us.
 
2013-07-12 10:49:05 AM

SpectroBoy: freshly washed feet of virgin



Go on...
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-07-12 10:50:37 AM
Naturally occurring arsenic isn't toxic. The only toxic arsenic is arsenic synthesized and process by humans for pesticides.

The Massachusetts Highway Department once issued a public statement reassuring people that the vein of arsenic found during a highway project was not a danger. It was natural arsenic.
 
2013-07-12 10:50:56 AM

Vodka Zombie: hardinparamedic: And now I laugh at the people who panic over this.

I used to laugh.  Now, I just want to shoot that quack, Dr. Oz, in the goddamn face.


I'll pitch in a few bucks for ammo. Anything to do my part.

Although, Dr. Oz is a pretty cool guy once you get him away from his wife. He came and did a speech on patient autonomy and end of life care in our system a few years back. He doesn't believe half the shiat he pushes, he does it because of her.

propasaurus: I blame Oprah. She inflicted Dr. Oz AND Dr. Phil on us.


Oprah is responsible for more deaths that I can count thanks to her pushing woo and quackery in her years on the air.

SpectroBoy: This is just a case of people fearing things don't understand and making their fears about their snowflakes everybody else's problem.


These are the same people who think that Organic means healthy, and who megadose on fat soluable vitamins.
 
2013-07-12 10:52:24 AM

Gecko Gingrich: Apple seeds (and cherry, apricot and peach pits) contain arsenic.


Came here to say this,

By the way, I learned this fact as a kid from an episode of GI Joe.

/Knowing is half the battle.
 
2013-07-12 10:54:01 AM

ongbok: Gecko Gingrich: Apple seeds (and cherry, apricot and peach pits) contain arsenic.

Came here to say this,

By the way, I learned this fact as a kid from an episode of GI Joe.

/Knowing is half the battle.


Christ I thought I was the only one who saw that episode
 
2013-07-12 11:10:22 AM
I'll be over here playing with my radioactive banana

/not a euphemism
//or is it?
 
2013-07-12 11:21:49 AM

gregscott: So you think that any food with one atom of arsenic should not be eaten?
Sounds like a very effective weight loss plan. (For a short, unhealthy life of starvation.)
Better yet, eat only food with NO chemicals.


I'm sustained primarily by rage.
 
2013-07-12 11:22:45 AM

Elroydb: ongbok: Gecko Gingrich: Apple seeds (and cherry, apricot and peach pits) contain arsenic.

Came here to say this,

By the way, I learned this fact as a kid from an episode of GI Joe.

/Knowing is half the battle.

Christ I thought I was the only one who saw that episode


Did anyone else learn about MacGuffins from the episode where Shipwreck is telling kids about a hamburger mine?
 
2013-07-12 11:32:44 AM

foo monkey: Fano: Gecko Gingrich: Apple seeds (and cherry, apricot and peach pits) contain arsenic.

Didn't everyone see that episode of GI Joe where they defeat the giant blob monster by firing an apple orchard at it?

And now we know.


I remember that. Even as a kid, I thought, "How the fark do you shove a handful of apples down the barrel of a tank and fire them? Apples don't have primers, much less any significant amount of gunpowder"
 
2013-07-12 11:39:52 AM

10up: the arsenic that is being discussed is synthetic arsenic used as a pesticide in the 18th and 19th century.  Being a heavy metal, arsenic sticks around for a few million years once you cover the ground in it for pest management, go figure...

Naturally occurring arsenic isn't toxic.  The only toxic arsenic is arsenic synthesized and process by humans for pesticides.

It's worse in brown rice from the south.


Aaah, found some more referenced writing on it.

As usual, the problem is China.
 
2013-07-12 11:42:28 AM

10up: Naturally occurring arsenic isn't toxic. The only toxic arsenic is arsenic synthesized and process by humans for pesticides.


I'm sorry to call you out, but this is complete nonsense.  Arsenic sulfides are naturally occurring and are toxic as all hell.  They tend to poison entire water tables around mines and wells, which is how they end up in some foods like rice, for example.  Organic arsenic compounds (formed when the arsenic is processed by plants and animals before being ingested by humans) are less toxic because the As has a lower affinity for thiols, but are still harmful in large amounts.

Of course, since As passes through your body in a day or two, occasional intermediate doses probably won't hurt you.
 
2013-07-12 11:51:32 AM

Z-clipped: 10up: Naturally occurring arsenic isn't toxic. The only toxic arsenic is arsenic synthesized and process by humans for pesticides.

I'm sorry to call you out, but this is complete nonsense.  Arsenic sulfides are naturally occurring and are toxic as all hell.  They tend to poison entire water tables around mines and wells, which is how they end up in some foods like rice, for example.  Organic arsenic compounds (formed when the arsenic is processed by plants and animals before being ingested by humans) are less toxic because the As has a lower affinity for thiols, but are still harmful in large amounts.

Of course, since As passes through your body in a day or two, occasional intermediate doses probably won't hurt you.


Z, I love you but I think you need to have your sarcasm detector recalibrated. :)
 
2013-07-12 12:08:21 PM
barfblog.com Remember Me?
 
2013-07-12 12:14:26 PM

ChipNASA: They should just strain it through some Old Lace.
That will fix the problem.


Arsenic and Old Pie
 
2013-07-12 12:15:46 PM

hardinparamedic: Z, I love you but I think you need to have your sarcasm detector recalibrated. :)


Really?  Well, shiat... it must be way off, because that seemed like honest misinformation to me.

I guess I'll reset my threat level:

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2013-07-12 12:20:33 PM
How about zero arsenic.  Is that good?  Lets set the limit at zero arsenic.
 
2013-07-12 12:28:38 PM
Chinese apple juice.
 
2013-07-12 12:33:15 PM
Yawn...

...10 ppb is the same as the EPA's National Primary Drinking Water Standard for arsenic in water.

There are all sorts of heavy metals and such in drinking water - as long as the concentrations are low and you are not an immune/health compromized infant you should be fine.

You have to have an upper limit number on standards.  You cannot have a zero limit because all testing methods have detection limits - a concentration of zero really doesn't exist in chemistry.
 
2013-07-12 12:51:22 PM
But it's ORGANIC, ALL NATURAL!!
 
2013-07-12 01:25:29 PM

MFAWG: Gecko Gingrich: Apple seeds (and cherry, apricot and peach pits) contain arsenic.

Ah, I was going to propose that 'Zero' would be a good limit.


Warlordtrooper: How about zero arsenic.  Is that good?  Lets set the limit at zero arsenic.


There is also some evidence that arsenic has some biological function (probably reproduction and cellular growth). That is, you need some few atoms of it in order to reproduce and grow cells.  As it is within just about anything that gets nutrients from dirt (most seeds, tubers, and well water, have some amount of arsenic), the human body has developed an immunity to small amounts of arsenic.  The only problem is that we now have chemical sensors that can actually count down to the level of 1 part per trillion, and so now the stuff that has always been there, and has never hurt anyone becomes a problem.  Mostly because of your exact reaction.  99% of Americans only know Arsenic is a poison used in mystery novels and old movies, "why would I want any poison in my food! That is why we have the FDA to make sure I'm not poisoned by my food!"
 
2013-07-12 01:38:05 PM

Warlordtrooper: How about zero arsenic.  Is that good?  Lets set the limit at zero arsenic.


About you're concerned about the toxic effects of DHMO, too.
 
2013-07-12 01:40:51 PM

agsfark: But it's ORGANIC, ALL NATURAL!!


Irrelevant axe-grinding is irrelevant.

In other news: I LOVE EATING INDUSTRIAL PESTICIDES! HURR!
 
2013-07-12 03:25:18 PM

propasaurus: THis is the result of a Dr. Oz show ratings ploy.

Arsenic is naturally occurring substance found in water. air, food and soil. Link

But Oz and a bunch of mommy-bloggers whipped it up into a frenzy about evil apple juice companies injecting poison into their snowflake's zippy cups.


Both of my extreme right-wing parents worship the ground Dr. Oz walks on, and I remember the day this show aired. There was no amount of reasoning with them by showing them how arsenic (and cyanide) is going to occur in apple juice and that it's not some scheme to poison my child.

A similar thing happened after Dr. Oz went on a crusade against melatonin. I take the stuff on occasion if I've been having issues with sleep. Ironically, my mother takes Ambien and even pitched in that her doctor (the same one who prescribed the Ambien) told echoed exactly what Dr. Oz said.

When a doctor tells you that melatonin is bad for you and then proceeds to write you a prescription of Ambien, you need to find a new doctor.
 
2013-07-12 03:38:42 PM

Warlordtrooper: How about zero arsenic.  Is that good?  Lets set the limit at zero arsenic.


You're joking, right? You should calculate how many atoms of arsenic are in your beverage of choice.
Hint: It is not zero.
If you really attempted to have a diet with absolutely zero arsenic, you would starve to death.
If you actually somehow achieved a diet with zero arsenic, you would might get sick and/or die from arsenic deficiency.

"Despite its notoriety as a deadly poison, arsenic is an essential trace element for some animals, and maybe even for humans, although the necessary intake may be as low as 0.01 mg/day."

Read more: http://www.lenntech.com/periodic/elements/as.htm#ixzz2YrUoemoM
 
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